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Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Ingo Malchow — 2013-05-24T00:24:44

Am Freitag, 24. Mai 2013, 02:03:29 schrieb Myriam Schweingruber:

In the forum... like hopefully known now after at least this thread...


Noone decided that, i thought it might be a nice idea to try to revamp the 
rather outdated looking one, and maybe get a better one. Talked with some 
people who liked that idea, then thought it might also be a nice promo attempt 
for krita to make that contest only with krita artwork, attempted them, they 
also liked it, formulized, published on several blogs and finally the forum. 
Maybe even this ml, can't tell for sure though, as i don't archive ml's that 
long. This thread reminds me why...


See above.


That is the initial question of this thread. Or rather, a harsh variant of 
it... "should it be used for the whole KDE and when?" vs "who decides it will 
be used?". No single entity, i guess, but a whole bunch of them.


What is the target audience for a mascot at all? (Should be the first question)


Do some people lately have a problem reading? This thread was ob

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Myriam Schweingruber — 2013-05-24T00:03:29

Seems there are some questions here that go totally unanswered:

* Where was this contest started?
* Who decided we needed a redesign of our mascot?
* Who was informed of this (outside the forum?)?
* Who decides this will be used for the whole KDE?
*What is the target audience for this mascot?


Before calling each other names and use strong words, could we answer
all these questions, please?

Since all KDE would be affected by this redesign, should't at least
all eV members and the wider community have a say?

FWIW: I can totally imagine this be a mascot for KDE Edu, but I have
serious doubt it is suitable for KDE as a whole, the business oriented
part of KDE in particular.

Since KDE is the community and IIUC this redesign of our mascot is
meant to represent KDE as a whole, please do not take any decisions
without communicating this a tad better than the whole other renaming
and rebranding disasters...

In other words: don't change the mascot until all the above questions
are answered and the community is

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Eike Hein — 2013-05-23T22:49:21

(1) This thread starts out with a post that contains stuff like "I'm
    not sure where or when we should add it so I'm asking for feedback
    here.", how does that not constitute wider consultation? You've
    posted here, how has your opportunity to chime in been taken from
    you?

    If kde-promo isn't wide enough, how about politely suggesting
    alternative, broader venues?

(2) Disdainful bullshit like "farce" and "certain circles" doesn't
    consitute "aggressive sarcasm", it's just called "being an ass-
    hole", and you're too smart not to know better.

    If you think someone's acting naively or out of inexperience,
    use the pull of your seniority to guide them toward making better
    decisions so we don't lose their manpower. Don't teach them that
    old-timers are cranky fucks who don't do anything but resist
    change, or try to intimidate people into not doing anything, even
    if that includes not making mistakes.

    You're not beyond learning how this stuff works.


Cheers,

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Eike Hein — 2013-05-23T20:39:30

how ironic that this interpretation is entirely based on cultural gender

Personally I agree that the rendition of Katie is perhaps a little too on-
the-nose; I probably have one Y chromosome too many to act offended
but it's kind of annoying if the only way to acknowledge femininity is to
box it up in the usual cute-and-pink-dress way, even if I recognize it's a
convenient visual shorthand.

As for irony though, it's not like you're shy of sticking to your own
cultural reference frame when it suits you - i.e. the manga comment,
when no particular stylization is really neutral when it comes down to
it.


i consider this entire exercise an utter brainfart

Well, I'm sure everybody was waiting with bated breath to read what
Ossi would think of this - you know, given your impressive track record
and well-established qualifications when it comes to artwork contribu-
tions.


Cheers,
Eike

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Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Ingo Malchow — 2013-05-23T22:44:59

Am Freitag, 24. Mai 2013, 00:06:50 schrieb Oswald Buddenhagen:

You would be surprised how much more is happening in this entire community 
when you sneak out of your hole. And i must assume you sit in one, else you 
would have noticed that far earlier. There were blogposts, ton of feedback on 
the contest itself.
What it means to have such a change is indeed the question of the initial 
poster. Feedback like yours though is possibly hurting any evolution of KDE as 
whole and shows nothing more than disrespect for the work others in this 
community do.


The contest was never meant to have a final real replacement for our mascot 
(notice the word, don't confuse with logo). It was meant to provide 
alternatives. 
Considering the sort of feedback so far it seems to be a very good alternative 
indeed.

Oh, and my personal goal is driving KDE forward. I question yours.


Complete missunderstanding then, which shows how much you yourself thought out 
before writing that complete mess. We are talking about a masco

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Luca Beltrame — 2013-05-23T22:28:26

In data venerdì 24 maggio 2013 00:06:50, Oswald Buddenhagen ha scritto:


I'll add a few more "exlpanations" myself.


On a whim? The contest went around for a while. Just because you don't go 
around in the forums it doesn't mean there isn't any traffic going on.


To each his own. I'm a beginner programmer at best, and I would certainly 
*not* use this tone to comment on someone's code.  You don't really want a 
"Said the novice to the master of the art." type discussion, to paraphrase 
R.E. Howard. Likewise, this "sarcasm" is just hurtful and to be pretty much 
honest, worthless. 

What did it add to the discussion? None. Zero. It only stirred up stop energy 
(in fact I wonder what the original poster would think, after seeing all this 
ruckus).


These "certain circles" are simply part of the same community you're in. 
Secondly, "farce" is purely your opinion, therefore don't be surprised if you 
get negative reactions.
If you want to at least get taken seriously in this discussion, which is 
*nothing*

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Oswald Buddenhagen — 2013-05-23T22:06:50

fine, then i'll explain it to you.

you may notice that this is -promo, not -artists. on this list i would
expect people to have some basic understanding of trademarks (and yes,
konqi definitely *is* part of our trademark, even if not a registered
one), and what it means to change them on a whim, both from a messenging
perspective and a practical one.

second, you apparently think that The Artists have the absolute
authority on this matter. you may want to think about what you are
actually trying to do here, on a purely personal level.

and yes, i find this artwork personally awful, and a disastrous fit for
kde as a whole - i can already see the faces of the business users who
open the about dialog to be greeted with an oversized, flashy,
ridiculously looking logo.

and in case you wonder about my aggressive sarcasm: i just find it
amazing how far this farce has apparently gone in certain circles
without consultation with the wider kde community (that means, those who
are not explicitly interested in artwork

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Luca Beltrame — 2013-05-23T21:21:32

In data giovedì 23 maggio 2013 23:10:44, Maarten De Meyer ha scritto:


Personally I think yes. I would also add that IMO an announcement about this 
would just draw flames (subjectivity etc.) so probably a good idea would be to 
add said mascot to "new material".

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Maarten De Meyer — 2013-05-23T21:10:44

Never works. :)
No harm in asking. (Or so I thought)


Nope. So do we change now or later (never)


With promo I had a dot story about Konqi in mind.
There has been no story for the winner of the contest. (Or I missed it)


Maybe I should have made more obvious that the statements I made about
the artwork are my own opinions.
I like the new mascot. Judging from you reply, you do not. That's fine :)

My post here was to ask if we should switch to the new style. And if
yes (IF) how that switch should be done.

Cheers
Maarten

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Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Ingo Malchow — 2013-05-23T20:01:40

Am Donnerstag, 23. Mai 2013, 21:30:23 schrieb Oswald Buddenhagen:

Thanks for showing that our very own developers are not immune against 
brainfarts as well. This whole reply of yours shows nothing other than a 
complete reflection of why there is something like the Code of Conduct needed.

I seriously question why you even opened up your mail client to write this 
reply. If you don't see the need for something new, fine. If you don't like it, 
fine. 
But it was chosen by our own artists, nuno included, and it got a lot of 
positive feedback. This thread obviously tries to discuss how to go further 
about it.
If you don't care,  i am sure there are other emails to read or reply to. 
Hopefully that time you will then even come up with arguments...

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Luca Beltrame — 2013-05-23T19:42:00

In data giovedì 23 maggio 2013 21:30:23, Oswald Buddenhagen ha scritto:

Hello, 


Given the fact that:

A. It's impossible to please everyone (subjectivity)
B. There was screening and selection

Don't you think that such comments (including also those below) are just 
demotivating for the non-coding part of the community?


And personally I think that on this topic (which is not technical, to say the 
least), you should too take a look at the Code of Conduct which governs our 
community.

Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Oswald Buddenhagen — 2013-05-23T19:30:23

how about never?

are we that desperate already?

i wonder for whom.
probably the manga faction inside kde.

how ironic that this interpretation is entirely based on cultural gender
stereotypes.

as if anybody would know. or care.

i consider this entire exercise an utter brainfart (nothing against the
contest, but that's exactly as far as it should go).


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Re: FrOSCon 2013 Call for Papers

Eckhart Wörner — 2013-05-23T18:29:21

Hi everybody,

Am Samstag, 11. Mai 2013, 12:44:26 schrieb Eckhart Wörner:

is there really nobody interested?

Eckhart

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Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Tomaz Canabrava — 2013-05-23T12:52:51

sigh.
now I need another monster size konqui.


On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Joshua Blocher <verbalshadow< at >gmail.com>wrote:


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Re: Use new Konqi mascot

Joshua Blocher — 2013-05-22T23:11:51

I kind of feel the longer we wait. The longer we will wait.
So the sooner the change happens the better for everyone. The artist will
have increased exposure. Plasma Desktop and Apps will have a modern konqi &
kate. Transitions normally take a while. Fixing it in the About is only one
place that konqi exists, he is in lot of places.

There were also some other dragons running around in a pack. The
sub-projects that those represent need to consider where they will use them
as a part of a unified branding move.

If we start now we might be done by the time Frameworks 5 launches

Joshua L. Blocher


On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:26 PM, Maarten De Meyer <
de.meyer.maarten< at >gmail.com> wrote:


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Use new Konqi mascot

Maarten De Meyer — 2013-05-21T23:26:55

Hi,

A few months ago there was a competition on the forums to give Konqi a new
look using Krita.
This competition was won by tysontan.
http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=110100

The result is absolutely beautiful and we should start using it more. For
example in the about dialog (bug: 320053)
Changing the about dialog to use the new mascot is only a case of changing
the picture, no code changes needed.
Before example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f57s2dohajrnjy9
/AboutDialog-Before.png
After example: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jga53ybs1bci8nz
/AboutDialog-After.png

Now, do we want this already?
Changing the mascot gives a very 'new product' feeling. SC 4.11 (or later)
is hardly a revolutionary release. Frameworks 5 on the other hand will be
very new and it might make more sense to add the new mascot.

I'm not sure where or when we should add it so I'm asking for feedback
here.
This image is excellent promo. It adds a female dragon that shows everybody
is welcome in the community and the image shows what

Re: Publish date with announcements?

Vishesh Handa — 2013-05-22T11:01:37


Nevermind.

I couldn't find the release date over here -
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.10/

But it seems to be there for the point releases -
http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.10.3.php

But you also have a nice page giving all the release dates -
http://www.kde.org/announcements/ So I guess it's okay.

Re: Publish date with announcements?

Albert Astals Cid — 2013-05-20T23:28:33

El Dimarts, 21 de maig de 2013, a les 00:38:28, Vishesh Handa va escriure:

Pong? What's missing?

Cheers,
  Albert


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Re: Publish date with announcements?

Vishesh Handa — 2013-05-20T19:08:28

Ping?


On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 8:16 PM, Ingo Malchow <imalchow< at >kde.org> wrote:

Free Linuxtag Berlin Tickets

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FrOSCon 2013 Call for Papers

Eckhart Wörner — 2013-05-11T10:44:26

Hi everybody,

(sorry for hitting the send button a tad early)

just a reminder that FrOSCon Call for Papers is open till May 23rd. Anybody interested in organizing a KDE booth? (I don't have time to do this myself, unfortunately.)

Eckhart

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