http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26750 <pre>Well, I finally hit the nexus of nerve, opportunity, need, and time that led me to wash a ThinkPad keyboard in the dishwasher. This keyboard had several years of grunge in it, to the point where several keys wouldn't work without hard presses. Of course I'd tried turning it off and shaking it, but that mostly just seemed to move the junk around to different keys. I had a spare keyboard, with a dozen or so key tops worn clean but slightly less dirty, so I swapped that in temporarily, then cleaned the filthy one as I've done with desktop keyboards: top rack, short wash, no soap or rinse agent, unheated dry (and I paid attention and actually pulled it out as soon as it got to the drying cycle, as I figured it didn't need the heat). Then I dried it inside for several days, then several more out in the garage (temps in the 70s and 80s). I had it standing on edge, and every time I walked by it, I'd turn it 90 degrees, so any water trapped anywhere had a chance to drain out. I just now swapped it into a</pre> Phil Smith III 2012-05-24T22:24:53 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26749 <pre>Hello, It doesn't seem to me that that would work, as repair is normally used when the Excel will not launch. Its unstable when doing big formatting changes to all sheets and cells otherwise it works ok. Office was a complete nightmare to get working and has made me vow to never buy a genuine copy again. I am sure even a pirate copy would be less hassle than this cynical ploy by MS to get me to upgrade from the trial for more money than it costs to buy. Thanks for the reply i may try it after the "nuclear option" that i am doing now. ie taking my XP OS back to October last year pre any office install :( Then another lot of installing office rebooting patches etc. Grrr i hate Microsoft even more now. Martin N At 18:22 24/05/2012, you wrote: Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups </pre> Martin N 2012-05-24T20:04:53 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26748 <pre>You could try a repair: Add/Remove Programs, Change (on the MS Office 2010 entry), then pick repair. When done, reboot, then apply the patches. Contrary to Steve Andre', I haven't had any problems with Office. And with all the security GPOs we run here, that in itself is a miracle. _________________________________ Robert Rosen Senior IT Technical Advisor National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases National Institutes of Health US Department of Health &amp; Human Services E-Mail: Robert.Rosen-2zaOuxCdfhg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&lt;mailto:Robert.Rosen-2zaOuxCdfhg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; NIH ... Turning Discovery into Health P Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 23:30:07 +0100 From: Martin N &lt;martin.n-yxHw+vPQXZDZJqsBc5GL+g&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&lt;mailto:martin.n-yxHw+vPQXZDZJqsBc5GL+g&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;&gt; Subject: [Thinkpad] Excel falls over on a T60 To: thinkpad-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&lt;mailto:thinkpad-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.g</pre> Rosen, Robert (NIH/NIAMS) [E] 2012-05-24T17:22:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26747 <pre>I've been happily using the same 160 GB drive SAMSUNG HM160HC in an X32 for some years now. I guess it was one of the early batches!? I should be backing up regularly, but also planning to replace it before it fails. Therefore following this thread with interest. It isn't making any funny noises, which is more than I can say for the CPU fan .... A separate thread might be a discussion of SSD devices in older Thinkpads. I've tried a couple of different routes in the really old 701C, both failed, and am wondering if anybody has every got a SS device to work as the main hard drive of the 701C or similar Thinkpad. And of course I'm interested in the performance and longevity of an SSD device under XP in an X32. In article &lt;8CF0738F03C057E-16DC-1460-n3SY6/QrmYVUPFJYTB4MtbQXJ8qk6zCwQQ4Iyu8u01E&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;, you wrote: </pre> Jonathan Berry 2012-05-24T13:02:49 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26746 <pre>Lo, At 23:39 23/05/2012, you wrote: oh pants, exactly what i didn't want to hear. MS office 2010 has been the most difficult piece of software that i have ever come across to get working with activation. I certainly would not recommend anyone buy it. Except it doesn't un install properly. Even with the office un installer and running MS fix it solution application. Utter nightmare getting rid of the trial version to be able to get the bought version to activate. Ok thanks I will try that first. and any other suggestions before i spend hours messing about with crap MS uinstalling reinstalling voodoo. Its for an ECDL level 2 course so unfortunately i have to use it. Before this course i was happy with an old version of open office. thanks for the reply Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups </pre> Martin N 2012-05-23T22:59:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26745 <pre> Sorry to say this, but you need to uninstall, reboot, install, reboot, apply all the patches. The reboots prevent some weird little problems. I have debugged a problem with Office 2003 and Word, and I wasted at least 40 hours on that. Tearing the damned thing out and reinstalling it is the only reasonable thing to do. You said you hadn't done any updates since Christmas. Bad move. This means you have a not-completely-patched Office with presumably patched Windows, which I am now seeing as a new problem for some of my users. Want to know the best solution to this? Get LibreOffice. I have three friends who have completely abandoned Office in favor of that. But if you must run Office do the right thing and reinstall completely, and then enter Patch Purgatory. Sorry! --STeve Andre' Windows Disease Control Warden </pre> STeve Andre' 2012-05-23T22:39:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26744 <pre>Hello, Excel 2010 seems to fall over with a generic error message and the option to restart excel. Updates had been completed around Xmas and i have not done any more since. I guess i could try to check for more but it was awful trying to install office 2010 on windows xp when i had a trial on previously. Dont really want to risk a reinstall. It only happens in Excel, web browsing works fine and imaging partitions does as well. The laptop doesnt crash just excel when it performs larger formatting changes or calculation over multiple worksheets. Any idea how to trouble shoot this? Possible causes? Martin N Running MorphOS v2.6 (Nov 2010) on Mac Mini, Moderator of MiniDisc,amithlonopen,bwfc Yahoogroups </pre> Martin N 2012-05-23T22:30:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26743 <pre>I've installed dozens of Samsung HM160HC drives, and while the early batches were excellent, I've had quite a few failures with the more recent ones. No issues with their SATA offerings. As for WD, I prefer the 250GB PATA to the 320GB, because I find it to be quieter. As always, YMMV. Cheers, George -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bay &amp;lt;canyonlands-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&amp;gt; To: Thinkpad &amp;lt;Thinkpad-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&amp;gt; Sent: Wed, May 23, 2012 12:52 pm Subject: [Thinkpad] Reliability Experience with IDE 2.5 hard Drives &amp; Samsung` As everyone with an older Thinkpad now knows, IDE drives are expensive to come by... and reliability has become a question Nearly all of the 12 vendors we use for our repair shops now *limit the numbers* of Western Digital, Seagate, or Toshiba hard drives we can order. However, Samsung, Hitachi, and Fujitsu are reasonably plentiful... But we see very high failure rates of these... though Fujitsu is not to</pre> tataslon-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org 2012-05-23T20:22:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26742 <pre>At one point I had problems with them, and have stayed away. Currently I use WD or Seagate. I think my actual failures have been with Seagates, but I change disks often enough that I can't really say which of those two are better. My users kill disks by dropping laptops more often than anything else. --STeve Andre' </pre> STeve Andre' 2012-05-23T19:55:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26741 <pre> My only experience with a Samsung drive was a couple of years ago, and it didn't last long. But that's hardly statistically significant. ...phsiii </pre> Phil Smith III 2012-05-23T17:17:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26740 <pre>As everyone with an older Thinkpad now knows, IDE drives are expensive to come by... and reliability has become a question Nearly all of the 12 vendors we use for our repair shops now *limit the numbers* of Western Digital, Seagate, or Toshiba hard drives we can order. However, Samsung, Hitachi, and Fujitsu are reasonably plentiful... But we see very high failure rates of these... though Fujitsu is not too worrisome... just no large drive sizes. We are wondering what your experience has been with Samsun IDE 2.5 hard drives... as our failure rate is very high. We wonder if it is damaging done in shipment or if they just are not built as well. Hitachi, of course (under new company and management) claims all their problems are resolved and they will last as long as Seagate, Western Digital, and Toshiba. But the only Hitachi drives we find are all SATA as nearly as we can tell. All the IDE drives are old technology with old date codes... plentiful but nearly worthless. We would like to learn of your ex</pre> Ray Bay 2012-05-23T16:52:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26739 <pre>The list doesn't work like that. Follow the link at the bottom of every list message to unsubscribe. Denis BUCHER wrote: </pre> Rob Bell 2012-05-23T11:49:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26738 <pre> Sorry, one detail I forgot to mention: the newer drive isn't blank -- it has an OS and stuff on it, but I don't mind losing what's there now. That's fine given the procedure above? Thanks, -Scott </pre> Scott Matthews 2012-05-22T15:04:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26737 <pre>Thank you! And so this general procedure: 1) insert new drive into PC 2) boot from imaging CD 3) restore old image to new drive That's all there is to it (apart from that I might wind up with a smaller-than-optimal partition)? Thanks again, -Scott On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Alex Austin &lt;circuitsoft.alex-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Scott Matthews 2012-05-22T15:00:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26736 <pre>I don't know about TrueImage, but if it restores the image on the larger disk in its original size, you can expand it using a gparted livecd. On May 22, 2012 9:40 AM, "Scott Matthews" &lt;scott-30SvdIqCKbRl57MIdRCFDg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Alex Austin 2012-05-22T14:48:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26735 <pre>Hi all, A few years back I used Acronis True Image to save a .tib file following a clean XP install. The drive in that XP box is getting a bit funky, and I happen to have a newer/better/bigger drive sitting around unused. Can I simply put that different drive into the XP box, boot from the Acronis CD, and restore the .tib image from the other drive? Thanks for any suggestions, -Scott </pre> Scott Matthews 2012-05-22T14:40:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26734 <pre>Does anyone have or know of anyone who has the ThinkPad 750 TV Tuner Pack, FRU 66G6681? I remember these were hard to find, even in the late 90s. Paul </pre> Paul Khoury 2012-05-21T19:05:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26733 <pre> I have a 360P (still has the stylus with it) laying around here somewhere but geese louise.... Finding it. I would suspect it still boots, I used it the last time about six years ago for programming some two-way commercial radios that would only interface with the older/slower com port and processor of the 360. I'll be lookin' around for it. -Dave -----Original Message----- From: thinkpad-bounces-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org [mailto:thinkpad-bounces-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Paul Khoury Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 5:01 AM To: thinkpad-BoP55bLt0vUdnm+yROfE0A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: [Thinkpad] ThinkPad 750/755/360 Does anyone have any ThinkPad 750/755/360/etc machines they'd like to part with (and doesn't want to engage in price gouging like on ebay)? I'm primarily looking for anything that boots up, and I'm not worried about HDD or battery. Heck, even a 755CX would be nice. Paul _______________________________________________ Thinkpad mailing list Thinkpad-BoP</pre> David Reid 2012-05-20T22:51:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26732 <pre>Paul, I've got a 310ED, a 755Cs and a 755CD sitting here. Probably have others but these are out in the open. All were working when retired, and I'm fairly certain I have all the bits and pieces for them in one drawer or another. Make me an offer if interested. Regards, James primarily battery. </pre> James H. E. Maugham 2012-05-20T21:49:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26731 <pre>I have a 360cse somewhere. I'll probably never touch it again, but the shell is cracked because I tried to do something I shouldn't have. Electronics are all good. I have no clue what it's worth. - Alex </pre> Alex Austin 2012-05-20T10:08:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad/26730 <pre>Does anyone have any ThinkPad 750/755/360/etc machines they'd like to part with (and doesn't want to engage in price gouging like on ebay)? I'm primarily looking for anything that boots up, and I'm not worried about HDD or battery. Heck, even a 755CX would be nice. Paul </pre> Paul Khoury 2012-05-20T10:00:47 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.hardware.ibm.thinkpad