gmane.comp.fonts.dejavu

Glyph names for Unicode digit subscripts: u208*

Alexei Colin — 2013-05-18T20:29:28

Hello,

glyph names for Unicode digit subscripts (u2080, u2081, etc) in
DejaVuSans glyf table seem unexpected:

$ grep -E 'TTGlyph.*(oneinferior|onesuperior|uni2081)' DejaVuSans.ttx
    <TTGlyph name="onesuperior" xMin="137" yMin="668" xMax="709"
yMax="1503">
    <TTGlyph name="uni2081" xMin="137" yMin="0" xMax="709" yMax="835">

"uni*" only if the corresponding Unicode code is not listed in The
Mapping [2]. The 'oneinferior' is listed, but the font names it
"uni2081". The inconsistency between 'onesuperior' and 'oneinferior' is
also unexpected.

[1] http://www.adobe.com/devnet/opentype/archives/glyph.html
[2] http://www.adobe.com/devnet-archive/opentype/archives/glyphlist.txt

-alexei

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Re: A doubt about the fonts

Ben Laenen — 2013-04-05T13:33:40


Hi Carmen,

that is allowed, the license specifically mentions it:

"The Font Software may be sold as part of a larger software package but no 
copy of one or more of the Font Software typefaces may be sold by itself. "

Regards,
Ben

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A doubt about the fonts

Carmen Torralvo — 2013-04-03T17:05:26

Hello my name is Carmen. I develop CD programs for disabled people. I would
like to know if I could use your fonts. The programs contains tales, games
such as crosswords and so on. They are compiled CD. So althoght it is a
proffessional project and I sell the CD's the fonts are not there by
themselves, and the user cannot instal in the computer the fonts for their
use. I am selling the work I make ussing your fonts. Sometimes my work
consist in writings and sometimes are pictures of the fonts that I treat as
dramatic caracters in a motion picture so I modify them to tell a story.
Sometimes I include also a printed version or a PDF version. Thank you very
much in advance for your time.

Regards.

Carmen
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Debian bug #413571 for DejaVu font still present in latest SVN snapshot

Christian PERRIER — 2013-03-31T09:59:12

While packaging the latest SVN snapshot from upstream DejaVu SVN, I
confirmed that Debian bug #413571, where the hyphen is sometimes too
close to the letter on its right in Sans Oblique, is still here. 

See attached screenshot.

Placement of diaeresis plus circumflex

Christopher Culver — 2013-01-15T18:50:31

No messages on this list since last August, and no new version for a
year now. I sincerely hope the project isn’t dead. I see there have been
some SVN commits. Why not release a new version of DejaVu just to show
that the project is alive?

I would like to ask one improvement to be made for the next version. In
a text I am working with and setting in DejaVu Sans, I frequently use ä̂,
a character consisting of U+00E4 LATIN SMALL LETTER A WITH DIAERESIS
plus U+0302 COMBINING CIRCUMFLEX ACCENT. While the circumflex should
appear over the diaeresis, one is just placed on top of the other and
the result is illegible. Please tweak the spacing of these two
diacritics in combination.

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Re: Patch v1: Hangul Syllables in Sans Regular (+issues)

Louis Simard — 2012-08-12T23:10:40

2012-08-12 21:52 GMT Michael Everson <everson-Tl31CHPAm89Wk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org>:

Would the syllables really bloat the TTF file so much even as
references to the jamo templates?

What do you suggest?

- Louis Simard

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Re: Patch v1: Hangul Syllables in Sans Regular (+issues)

Michael Everson — 2012-08-12T21:52:11

I think including 11,000 glyphs into this same font file bloats the font needlessly. 

Michael Everson * http://www.evertype.com/


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Patch v1: Hangul Syllables in Sans Regular (+ issues)

Louis Simard — 2012-08-12T21:46:27

Greetings,

I come to you today with a preliminary patch for my Hangul Syllables
proposal in DejaVu Sans Regular. It is a huge patch, so I am certain
there are some issues (some of which I already know about, see below)
that will need to be addressed for inclusion into the font.

Re: Proposal: Hangul Syllables (U+AC00..D7A3)

Louis Simard — 2012-08-03T22:58:15

2012-08-03 09:08 GMT Denis Jacquerye <moyogo-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org>:

Sure, but I don't know what sort of hosting I could use for that font,
page and CSS stylesheet.

[...]

I'm not sure how to draw the obsolete jamo, and they're not used in
the 11172 syllables. As for the HANGUL FILLER, it's meant to have no
glyph, but I'm not sure if that should be a space with metrics or a
lack of glyph outright.


What are the advantages and drawbacks of each?


I'll check other glyphs to see how those are hinted first, and if the
automatic hinting behaves the same way, I'll use it and give those
hints in the patch. Otherwise, I'll try some manual hints. If that
fails, I'll leave the hinting to someone else.

[...]

I'm sorry, but I have no idea. You could be right. :)

[...]

An OpenType lookup, named 'hngl', which substitutes Chinese characters
used in Korea(n) (called 'hanja') with their respective hangeul
syllables.[1] I believe this should be left to the input method
editor, not the font.


Of cour

Re: Proposal: Hangul Syllables (U+AC00..D7A3)

Denis Jacquerye — 2012-08-03T09:08:26

Sounds like a great plan.
With webfonts, the testing could be done online.

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Louis Simard <louis.simard-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

With that amount of syllables it would be great to use glyph
referencing to compose as many syllables as possible.


Why the exception?


You can also choose to use the Bitstream license.


Not sure that would be the best hinting, but if it works well and
testers are happy, why not?


Some font shapers normalize automatically. For others wouldn't it just
be ligatures (multiple glyph to one) with the 'ccmp' feature?


What do you mean Hanja to Hangul?


If this workflow works for DejaVu Sans and Dejavu Sans Mono, it would
help for DejaVu Serif and other fonts.

Proposal: Hangul Syllables (U+AC00..D7A3)

Louis Simard — 2012-08-01T23:25:48

Greetings dejavu-fonts,

My first message to this list is one to introduce a very large
proposal for DejaVu, and that's the Hangul Syllables block introduced
in Unicode 2.0. I've already generated the Hangul Syllables block for
another font, and I feel that generating it for the DejaVu fonts would
be another good step.

I plan to create the following things in DejaVu Sans (all variants)
and DejaVu Sans Mono (all variants):
* Up to 512 unencoded glyphs to serve as the hangul jamo. These would
be created by hand, from scratch, after looking at the horizontal and
vertical stems in DejaVu for weight consistency. I may look at the
output of other fonts to determine the general shape the glyphs should
have, but NOT copy from their outlines.
* A script, put in [dejavu-fonts trunk]/dejavu-fonts/scripts, to
create the 11172 syllables (U+AC00..D7A3) from references to the base
jamo. The script would NOT be used in the Makefile; it would only be
used whenever needed to create the characters for a variant, or
recreate t

Re: Adding Khmer Script?

Nicolas Mailhot — 2012-07-31T11:46:45

Le Mar 31 juillet 2012 06:55, Nathan Wells a écrit :

He should read http://dejavu-fonts.org/wiki/Developer%27s_Corner
too

Also the project traditionally refuses codepoints not part of unicode yet,
and glyphs not available in all faces of the same font family

Lastly the project has been quiet in the past months, so don't despair if
it takes a little more time to respond to submissions than it did a few
years ago.

Best regards,

Re: Adding Khmer Script?

Nathan Wells — 2012-07-31T04:55:01

Thanks for the quick response Dave,
Mr. Danh Hong said he would be willing to release a font under those
licensing terms. I will write again once it is released.

Thanks,
Nathan

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Re: Adding Khmer Script?

Dave Crossland — 2012-07-31T03:55:24

Hi

I suggest you select which of Hong's designs you think most closely
matches DejaVu, and ask Hong to make it available under CC-0 or
'Public Domain' so it can be included in DejaVu? :-)

Cheers
Dave

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Adding Khmer Script?

Nathan Wells — 2012-07-31T03:08:19

Hello,

I currently work and live in Cambodia and I am interested in seeing support
for the Khmer language added to DejaVu.  I have contacted Danh Hong who has
created most of the Khmer Unicode fonts that are available (his fonts are
also on the Google Web Fonts API - www.google.com/webfonts/ under Khmer),
and he is interested in adding Khmer, but needs more information on how to
go about adding Khmer to DejaVu.
Would someone be willing to help guide us through the process? It would be
a great addition to have a multi-lingual font for Cambodians to use.

Thank you,
Nathan Wells
for sbbic.org
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Re: OTF format

Pete McKinney — 2012-07-02T19:59:05

Thanks Jim,

I will have to give that try.  One of my coworkers found TransType from
FontLib.  It's not free, but it seems to do the trick.  It would be nice to
have an open tool to do the job.

pete

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Re: OTF format

James Cloos — 2012-07-02T19:18:05

PM> We are looking for the DejaVu fonts in OTF format.  We've tried using
PM> seem of the free online converters, but the results don't seem valid.
PM> Does anyone have a link to an OTF conversion of the DejaVu fonts?

I'd suggest building OTF (aka SFNT/CFF) versions of the faces in
fontforge directly from the sfd files.

It should be scriptable, but in the GUI choose Element -> Font Info and,
in that dialog, Layers.  There, click on All Layers Cubic.  Optionally,
within that same dialog, go to General and set the Em size to 1000.

I'd suggest doing Edit -> Select -> Select All and Element -> Correct Direction,
as well as Element -> Simplify and Element -> Round.

If you want CFF hints, with Edit -> Select -> Select All do Hints -> AutoHint.

You can then use File -> Generate Fonts and specify OpenType(CFF). 

In the Generate dialog, the Options button pulls up another dialog where
you can tweak the generation.

-JimC

OTF format

Pete McKinney — 2012-07-02T17:10:05

We are looking for the DejaVu fonts in OTF format.  We've tried using some
of the free online converters, but the results don't seem valid.  Does
anyone have a link to an OTF conversion of the DejaVu fonts?

Thanks,

pete
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Re: OTF format

Pete McKinney — 2012-07-02T19:59:05

Thanks Jim,

I will have to give that try.  One of my coworkers found TransType from
FontLib.  It's not free, but it seems to do the trick.  It would be nice to
have an open tool to do the job.

pete

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Re: OTF format

James Cloos — 2012-07-02T19:18:05

PM> We are looking for the DejaVu fonts in OTF format.  We've tried using
PM> seem of the free online converters, but the results don't seem valid.
PM> Does anyone have a link to an OTF conversion of the DejaVu fonts?

I'd suggest building OTF (aka SFNT/CFF) versions of the faces in
fontforge directly from the sfd files.

It should be scriptable, but in the GUI choose Element -> Font Info and,
in that dialog, Layers.  There, click on All Layers Cubic.  Optionally,
within that same dialog, go to General and set the Em size to 1000.

I'd suggest doing Edit -> Select -> Select All and Element -> Correct Direction,
as well as Element -> Simplify and Element -> Round.

If you want CFF hints, with Edit -> Select -> Select All do Hints -> AutoHint.

You can then use File -> Generate Fonts and specify OpenType(CFF). 

In the Generate dialog, the Options button pulls up another dialog where
you can tweak the generation.

-JimC

OTF format

Pete McKinney — 2012-07-02T17:10:05

We are looking for the DejaVu fonts in OTF format.  We've tried using some
of the free online converters, but the results don't seem valid.  Does
anyone have a link to an OTF conversion of the DejaVu fonts?

Thanks,

pete
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