http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/637 <pre> I haven't noticed that MVSDDT is open source. In fact the licence agreement seems quite restrictive - in particular, "You ... are NOT permitted to attempt to modify, de-compile, merge, sell, lease or otherwise mis-use said AUTHOR's PRODUCTS and/or SERVICES". Tony H. </pre> Tony Harminc 2012-05-25T15:45:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/636 <pre>Anzani is displaying the same ignorant mentality that regarded the PCM industry as mere "clones" of the mainframe. There are plenty of avenues for innovation in emulation. Downward compatibility and forward progress are not at all mutually exclusive. If so, IBM's own mainframes would be just as devoid of innovation as the non-IBM alternatives that Anzani derides. Furthermore, emulation itself, apart from the architecture being emulated, is a fertile area for innovation. The "what" may be pre-defined, but the "how" is wide open. Is biological "cloning" devoid of innovation? Of course not. I was very proud of what we accomplished at Amdahl and PSI. There was tremendous innovation displayed by both of those companies, and I'm sure the same is true of Hercules. _____ From: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org [mailto:hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Roger Bowler Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 2:48 PM To: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;p</pre> ron.hilton 2012-05-25T04:56:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/635 <pre>open source and therefore extensible w/o any need for proprietary tools. I know of other tools such as various profiler tools that need access to a debugger to work if one wants to do a non-intrusive analysis. Also seems like a question which doesn't need answering. What was the need to write Linux when there was a perfectly good Unix system around to use. On 5/24/2012 2:41 PM, John P. Hartmann wrote: </pre> jim s 2012-05-25T00:06:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/634 <pre>Explain to me where that is different from the interactive debuggers IBM peddles. On 24 May 2012 22:48, Roger Bowler &lt;rogerbowler-/E1597aS9LT10XsdtD+oqA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] </pre> John P. Hartmann 2012-05-24T21:41:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/633 <pre>"we do not think that mimicking IBM's instruction set architectures on commodity OEM hardware is in any way innovative" Thus wrote Mark Anzani, IBM's System z Chief Technology Officer, in a letter to TurboHercules dated November 4, 2009. Here's why he's wrong: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/H390-MVS/message/13183 http://home.comcast.net/~mvsddt/ "The MVS Dynamic Debug Tool is a client/server debugging tool for MVS 3.8 running under Hercules. MVS DDT consists of two major components: - The server which executes as a batch job running the MVSDDT program on MVS -The client which is a Java application running on any platform supporting version 6 of the Java Runtime Environment" This is a fine example of independent innovation made possible by a freely-available virtual mainframe. Roger Bowler Hercules "the people's mainframe" </pre> Roger Bowler 2012-05-24T20:48:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/632 <pre> [...] Yep. Great flick. A real eye opener. Nope, but as you should recall that very subject WAS covered in Sicko. Will not comment further on anything anyone else has written as: a) I've already said my piece, and b) this isn't the proper forum for such "hot topic" discussions. My apologies to all for my off-topic venting. </pre> "Fish" (David B. Trout 2012-05-10T05:15:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/631 <pre> Give it a rest, guys. This is supposed to be a forum for Hercules advocacy. Regards, Roger Bowler Hercules "the people's mainframe" </pre> Roger Bowler 2012-05-09T13:08:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/630 <pre>Hi guys - I have been reading your mails and wondering. I think I saw in a movies last year somebody say. "Every good Housewife knows that at the end of the month - the first ceck you write is to the bank for the mortgage and the second is to the Insurance co," I am over 70 and do a ot of travelling all over the world. Put those together and you know that I see a lot of docors - all over. You may be paying the most in the world for your medical care in the states, but from my experience you are usually getting what you pay for. The experience you outline seems to be normal except for the bill. We lived in in the US for 12 years until 2008 - Our insurance cost us (wife an myself) more or less the same $14000 you were billed. Per year. But I had two operations (one serious) vroke a leg - had a stent put him - we both had colonsocopies twice and visited various doctors at least twice maybe tree times a month a month, Eye - GP - cardialogist - An several specalists for chronic conditions.immunilogy rheu</pre> Rocky 2012-05-09T10:45:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/629 <pre>--- In hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org, Mike Schwab &lt;Mike.A.Schwab&lt; at &gt;...&gt; wrote: On the main group, I didn't want to mention that we pay double what many high price countries pay and have the worst infant mortality of any industrial country on the planet. We rank about number 35 for longevity. Even if our health system cost half as much, it would still be pathetic. I had walking pneumonia in 1981 but was too dumb to figger out what I had. Made an appointment with an allopath for day or two later. He sent me across the hall to his friend that had an X-Ray machine, went back, the original doctor read the X-Ray and called it pleurisy. I already knew what the antique word was. I think that I trashed the prescription or bought it but didn't take any. I believe that the total was less than U$D100 and didn't bother with insurance. Today, it would have cost a fortune and they would have prescribed an expensive placebo like tamiflu. I've only used health insurance once a</pre> somitcw 2012-05-09T03:57:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/628 <pre>And the bills you don't pay get rolled over into next years increased rate that cause even more people to file for bankruptcy. Until everyone gets insurance that pays most bills (single payer). Illinois has a Medicare program, but no dentist accepts their payments. Medicaid MDs are few and far between. Medicare (over 65) is not much more. Ever see Sicko? http://sickothemovie.com/ How about 'The Awful Truth' first episode segment http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0915881/ "Funeral at an HMO" about several people dying due to denied insurance approval. On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:36 PM, "Fish" (David B. Trout) &lt;fish-6N/dkqvhA+1g9hUCZPvPmw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Mike Schwab 2012-05-08T20:09:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/627 <pre> [...] I never said that nor implied it. I was simply lamenting the total cost of a few visits to the hospital. My wife caught pneumonia on New Year's day a year ago. Called a taxi and told them to take us to the hospital. (We haven't owned a car in over 15 years and so rely on public transportation.) They took us to the "wrong" hospital. They took us to one we had never been to before, but a hospital is a hospital, right? She was in a room for a grand total of ABOUT 6 hours. In that 6 hours they gave her some IV solution. They gave her some inhalation therapy. They took an x-ray. They reviewed the x-ray, talked to her for 15 minutes, prescribed some medication and sent us home. Four days later she was still feeling badly, so we called our "normal" hospital (the one we usually go to). They said to bring her in immediately. We did so. THEY went through the exact same procedure: IV, inhalation therapy, x-ray, 15 minutes with the doctor, here's your prescription now get out of here. Time spent: about 6 h</pre> "Fish" (David B. Trout 2012-05-08T19:36:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/626 <pre> On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 09:02:28AM -0800, Ray Mullins wrote: Jay Maynard &lt;jmaynard&lt; at &gt;...&gt; wrote: Indeed. If past experience is anything to go by, Hercules won't get much support from the wider open source community. Apart from the fact that very few people know or care much about the mainframe, it turns out that some of the most prominent Open Source organizations are funded by IBM and are consequently reluctant to bite the hand that feeds them. Roger Bowler </pre> Roger Bowler 2011-11-09T15:25:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/625 <pre> Been there, tried that, with limited success so far. </pre> Jay Maynard 2011-11-07T17:12:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/624 <pre>One thing that could be used against IBM: they have been a big, vocal, public proponent of open source. The most obvious example is the championing of Linux on the System z platform. If it became known that IBM was saying one thing, but then selectively crushing certain open source projects, then the negative publicity could become a monkey on Pok's back. 2011/11/7 ron.hilton &lt;ron.hilton-Wuw85uim5zDR7s880joybQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; </pre> Ray Mullins 2011-11-07T17:02:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/623 <pre>Jay, If Open Source Mainframes, Inc. (OSMI?) has enough funds to have an attorney draft a form license agreement along the lines I suggested (non-commercial rights to OSMI, commercially sublicensable to IBM), my offer stands to file a limited number of PPAs for the cost of filing on behalf of Hercules developers who execute that agreement with OSMI. As I suggested, it would probably be well to do an internal review by the Hercules development community first to decide which applications are most worth pursuing. Thanks, Ron Hilton _____ From: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org [mailto:hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jay Maynard Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:24 AM To: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and beingdemolished by IBM On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 08:20:50AM -0700, ron.hilton wrote: against would seeking in Just a note: The "</pre> ron.hilton 2011-11-07T15:37:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/622 <pre> Just a note: The "Hercules, Inc" you refer to actually exists. It's a nonprofit, soon-to-be-charity (of the 501(c)(3) variety) named Open Source Mainframes, Inc. It would have some funds, but not enough to wage a high-powered patent fight of the type required to have any sort of a chance at beating IBM. </pre> Jay Maynard 2011-11-07T15:23:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/621 <pre>Roger, It is true that the investor's ability to recoup would be limited to commercial non-IBM use. They would not recoup anything from non-commercial Hercules or from IBM, and the investor would take that into account in valuing the investment. Your own venture TurboHercules is an example of where an investor might recoup. If you were successful in commercializing something that a Hercules developer invented and patented, even a modest royalty would likely provide a decent return on the low 5-figure investment to get the patent. It would not be up to the investor to mount an infringement lawsuit against IBM. That would be up to Hercules. Although Hercules essentially has no funds, if it had some truly valuable IP, there would likely be law firms willing to take the case on contingency. And IBM knows that, and thus would be motivated to settle, especially since Hercules would primarily be seeking non-monetary consideration (as long as lawyers don't need to get involved in a big way) such as immunity </pre> ron.hilton 2011-11-07T15:20:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/620 <pre>I don't think IP is taxable unless is it being commercialized. But once again, I am not a lawyer nor a tax expert. Hercules would need to get professional advice on these matters. _____ From: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org [mailto:hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Charles Durrett Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 7:54 AM To: hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: [hercules-advocacy] Re: Pushing back the barriers and being demolished by IBM A reply out of 'left field: More appropriate to the whole 'intellectual property' thing than patents specifically, but if there is such a thing as 'intellectual property' shouldn't there be property taxes paid on it? Seems like it would be a counter-balance to the hoarders of same which value IP so highly in their court filings. The higher they self-appraise the property the more taxes they would be expected to pay. Just wondering... [Non-text portions of thi</pre> ron.hilton 2011-11-07T15:18:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/619 <pre>A reply out of 'left field: More appropriate to the whole 'intellectual property' thing than patents specifically, but if there is such a thing as 'intellectual property' shouldn't there be property taxes paid on it? Seems like it would be a counter-balance to the hoarders of same which value IP so highly in their court filings. The higher they self-appraise the property the more taxes they would be expected to pay. Just wondering... </pre> Charles Durrett 2011-11-07T14:53:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/618 <pre> --- In hercules-advocacy-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org, Ron Hilton wrote: ... ... Ron, this all sounds ok except for two things: Firstly, what incentive would any investor have to pay for the patent to be filed? As we have seen from recent cases, IBM have various means at their disposal to enforce their monopoly in the mainframe space, making commercial use of the patent by anyone other than IBM almost impossible in practical terms. So it's difficult to see how such a patent would be of any value to an investor, especially if a hypothetical "Hercules Inc" has already granted IBM a license to use it. Secondly, there's not just the cost of filing the patent, but the cost of defending it too. IBM could simply choose to ignore the patent because they know full well that the cost of taking patent action against them would ruin anyone except a mega-corporation. Even if the patent holder is right in law, IBM have the resources to string out the action until the patent holder goes bankrupt or is force</pre> Roger Bowler 2011-11-07T14:16:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy/617 <pre>Ron, This is a terribly complex subject but you are beginning to convince me. Regards, Roger Bowler Hercules "the people's mainframe" </pre> Roger Bowler 2011-11-05T22:11:45 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.advocacy