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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

Katherine Casey — 2013-05-11T20:51:47

I've found it very difficult to test out the VE because so much of what I
do involves, one way or another, templates (which don't work yet in VE).
Manipulating anything to do with a source, for example, is out. Adding tags
to an article is out. Infoboxes are out. And so forth. I suspect once
templates and, more specifically, references are up and running, it will be
much, much easier to test VE as part of one's workflow.

-Fluffernutter


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Re: Wikimedia Elections 2013 - Last call for Candidates

Risker — 2013-05-16T00:50:04

This is a reminder that the deadline for candidates for the Board of
Trustees, Funds Dissemination Committee, and FDC Ombud will close at 23:59
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For the Election Committee,

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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

WereSpielChequers — 2013-05-13T09:39:57

I tried it for typos, very slow and it worked on one article and kept
trying to vandalise another. But when I edit I like to have Firefox's
spellchecker to red underline possible typos, and this doesn't support that.

I worry about the loss of section editing in the visual editor. Aside from
being one of the most effective ways to reduce edit conflicts, having an
edit button on each section is a great way to encourage editing. Without it
I wonder at the metrics we will get from this. We are making two big
changes, one is expected to increase editing the other to reduce it; If we
only measure the overall effect how are we going to learn the individual
effects?

WSC

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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

David Gerard — 2013-05-13T06:39:24



I've been using it for typos.




Still getting pawns show up occasionally. (Reliable way to manifest
them: edit a list.)


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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

Steve Bennett — 2013-05-13T04:38:30

As I think I commented elsewhere, the lack of references is a deal
breaker for me, even for testing. A couple of times already I started
making an edit with the VE, then went to add a reference...and hard to
start over in the "source" editor.

That said, I haven't seen any bugs. It looks really, really good.

Steve

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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

David Gerard — 2013-05-11T21:15:16



True. Testing early and often is particularly important for a
right-to-left language, since those are generally neglected in the
Latin alphabet computing world.


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Re: So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

Amir E. Aharoni — 2013-05-11T21:08:17

2013/5/11 David Gerard <dgerard< at >gmail.com>:

Mmmm... so I know that it's the English Wikipedia mailing list, but I
suppose that this won't hurt:

In the Hebrew Wikipedia several people tried the VisualEditor. I
counted seven newly reported bugs as a result of this, and one
reopened. There were also a few WONTFIXes, INVALIDs and dupes. Two of
the new bugs were already fixed.

I think that it's a reasonable response level to a brand new opt-in
feature, which is barely alpha quality. It's not big, but it's much
more than zero.

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So who's beta-testing the Visual Editor?

David Gerard — 2013-05-11T20:43:32

This is all the Visual Editor edits in en:wp:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&tagfilter=visualeditor

It's not many. So please switch it on (you can still click "Edit
source" to do references and templates) and give it a good kicking. A
bug discovered now saves endless newbie pain later.


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Main Page RFC

Deutschaneo Ushau — 2013-05-09T05:46:03

Hello everyone,
The Wikipedia community is invited to comment on the main page's design, content, and purpose: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:2013_main_page_redesign_proposal/RFC

Thanks,
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Re: Secret Arrests

Akhil Mulgaonker — 2013-05-04T17:27:48

I think that journalists should not identify the suspect unless the
journalist gets permission from the suspects family. Because if the
suspect has children the children could get bullied in school. Or
identify the suspect if he/she has no children or family.

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Re: Secret Arrests

Fred Bauder — 2013-05-04T17:37:22

As usual, they are intelligent sensitive people, the judges of the High
Court are not wrong, as you eloquently point out. However, the
considerations their reasoning is based have little weight with the
public or with journalists trying to make a pound and build their
audience. "Accused" is their stock in trade. I doubt I could suppress,
oversight, information about an arrest in England and Wales on Wikipedia
without losing the tool unless there were very special other issues
involved.

Fred




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Wikimedia Elections 2013

Risker — 2013-05-02T04:53:46

I am pleased to announce that self-nominations are now being accepted for
the 2013 Wikimedia Foundation Elections. This year, elections are being
held for the following roles:

Board of Trustees

The Board of Trustees is the decision-making body that is ultimately
responsible for the long term sustainability of the Foundation, so we value
wide input into its selection. There are three positions being filled.
More information about this role can be found at <
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Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC)

The Funds Dissemination Committee
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recommendations about how to allocate Wikimedia
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entities. There are two positions being filled. More information about
this role can be found at <
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Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC) Ombud

The FDC Ombud receives complaints and feedback about the FDC process,
investigates complaints at the request of the Board of Trustees, and
summarizes the investigations and feedback for the Board of Trustees on an
annual basis. One position is being filled. More information about this
role can be found at <
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The candidacy submission phase lasts from 00:00 UTC April 24 to 23:59 UTC
May 17. More
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Please feel free to post a note about the election on your project's village
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Fwd: [EE] Notifications are now live on the EnglishWikipedia!

David Gerard — 2013-05-01T09:04:01

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From: Fabrice Florin <fflorin< at >wikimedia.org>
Date: 30 April 2013 21:22
Subject: [EE] Notifications are now live on the English Wikipedia!
To: WMF Editor Engagement Team <ee< at >lists.wikimedia.org>

Hello everyone,

I am happy to announce that we just deployed the first release of
Notifications today on the English Wikipedia!

Please try it out and let us know right away if you see any bugs or
issues -- or have comments or suggestions.

Notifications should start appearing in a red badge next to your name
on en.wikipedia.org very soon -- as well as on your archive page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Notifications

Before you test Notifications, we recommend that you go to your
preferences page, and enable all the notifications you want (be sure
to check email notifications, which are mostly 'opt-in' for current
users):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo

For general tips on how Notifications work, check our FAQ page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notifications/FAQ

For more tips on how to test notifications, check this testing page:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Echo/Testing

Once you've tested Notifications, please join the discussion on this talk page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Editor_engagement/Echo

You are also welcome to post technical bugs directly on Bugzilla:

https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=MediaWiki%20extensions&component=Echo

Many thanks to Kaldari, Benny, Luke, Vibha, Oliver, Dario, Brandon,
Steven, Matthew, S Page, Ori, Aaron, Asher, Howie, Terry, Erik and
everyone else who made this product possible!

Enjoy,

Fabrice and the E2 Team

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Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] CC nears last call for comments on Creative Commons 4.0

Samuel Klein — 2013-04-30T21:28:26

FYI: Final comments requested on the CC 4.0 licenses.

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Hi, all-

As mentioned in a variety of places (mostly, it looks like, on Commons
Village Pump) Creative Commons is revising their licenses to produce a
new 4.0 version. The changes include a variety of things relevant to
Commons and other WM projects, most importantly attribution, but also
improved translations, database rights, and general improvements in
readability.

CC is nearing their final version, and have asked me to ask our
community for one last round of review and comment. Consider this that
request!

A few relevant links:

* The best way to comment is through their mailing list:
http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/cc-licenses
* The actual drafts, including side-by-side comparisons to 3.0:
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0/Drafts#Licenses_.28all_six_are_presented_in_HTML.3B_BY-NC-SA_is_published_in_alternative_formats_as_well.29
* Their complete wiki: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/4.0

This is *not* a call for comments on the adoption of CC 4.0 by WM
projects. That discussion, if it happens, would be after 4.0 has been
finalized, so that we're not speculating about the final terms.

FYI-
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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Samuel Klein — 2013-04-26T18:43:28

That makes sense.  It's not how categories are always handled,
however.  And when there is only one gendered category, it is
predominantly female.  For instance, looking at the subset of these
where the category name starts with "male" or "female":
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sj/Gendered_categories

The rare exceptions are categories whose members are predominantly
female.  For instance, you can see the reverse gender bias with beauty
pageants:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Male_beauty_pageants
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Beauty_pageants

SJ

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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Charles Matthews — 2013-04-26T14:35:09

Quite a good if cryptic comment about Wikidata. I suppose it is encouraging
to think that the system as a whole is far from optimised yet.

I have read a couple of blogs now by experienced women Wikipedians advising
a sense of proportion here.

Charles
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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Tom Morris — 2013-04-26T14:24:26

If only there were some kind of editable data store project being worked on that could store this kind of metadata in a centralised location… <grin>

Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

David Gerard — 2013-04-26T12:07:53



As I vaguely recall, the main barrier to treating categories as tags
in the past was that MySQL was terrible at it and it would have
crippled performance. (I have no idea if MariaDB is better, but I have
no reason to think so.) Hence the workaround with sending the
functionality off to the toolserver. It's really annoying because
cats-as-tags would be perfect for Commons.


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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Carcharoth — 2013-04-26T11:15:29

Yes, but if you try and explain the concept of something being in two
categories at the same time to people not familiar with Wikipedia's
categorisation system, and who are only looking at one of the
categories and getting all upset, it can be difficult. There is a
valid point that those looking at one category based on gender (let's
say female) will think that the 'main' category won't contain male and
female.

Unless the category page explicitly states at the top in the
'description' part of the page, and in a prominent fashion, that the
main category does and should contain both genders, and that the
female subcategory is a convenience when a particular area has been
studied in gender terms.

Personally, I think the de-wiki way is the better way, and the
categorisation system needs to adapt to intersection possibilities.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Category_intersection

That's an old proposal, but is it becoming more feasible now?

Carcharoth

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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Fred Bauder — 2013-04-26T10:46:40

"Do not create separate categories for male and female occupants of the
same position, such as "Male Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom" vs.
"Female Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom"." would seem to cover not
creating such categories as women mystery writers.

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Re: bizarre: Women Novelists Wikipedia

Andrew Gray — 2013-04-26T10:18:22

This is normally the case, but there's an explicit exemption for
gender: at least in theory, single-gender categorisation (where we
have just "female" without a corresponding "male" category) should not
be "exclusive", and people should be categorised in both.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality#Gender

Removal from the main category should (again, an aspirational
"should") only occur when we are completely splitting it into gender
subcategories.