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(Digg) Microsoft tax evasion: Get gNewSense

John Sullivan — 2008-05-08T21:50:33

http://digg.com/linux_unix/Microsoft_tax_evasion_Get_gNewSense_preinstalled

Re: Partito Democratico (moderate left) and Popolo delle Libertà (right-fascist) have in common: peer to peer illegal

paolo del bene — 2008-04-23T01:41:24

2008/4/22, paolo del bene public.gmane.org>: ii think that i think that we must invite people to have a new approach with: books, software, music and movies. people first must to study, because in italy only 11% go to the university. then they must understood that is good to share anything, but licenses, contracts must be respected. is good to share software only if is distributed with the GNU General Public License and the last one BSD license compatibile with the GPL. is good to share documentation, books, manuals, guides if these one are distributed with the GNU Free Documentation License or Creative Commons, i preefer GPL for software and GFDL for texts. We must invite people to create, realize things, and at the same time to encurage to use things totally free. (free software refers not price but freedom so think free speech, not free beer). in italian as in french to say that a think have no price we said gratis, but free has the same signify: libero. we must say people don't use software, books, movies, music if it is not free. but for the actual things again copyrighted, they must respect the authors, because a big community could have more repressive laws as just happened in 2001 till 2006 with berlusconi and from 2006-2008 with prodi, but rutelli of partito democratico and giuliano urbani popolo delle libertà have in common one think penalize who share anything, and so to create legal problems to any person. now i left you to the original text that i readed in italian, but translated for you in english for you. The peer to peer ? It's a crime Word of Rutelli Que if vayan todos the minister of the Cultural Assets answers negatively to a petition that asks the overcoming for proibizionista logic of the laws on the intellectual property 2223 March 2007 - BenOlds Source: The Manifest (http://www.ilmanifesto.it) WWhich is the difference between the previous Minister of the Assets and the Cultural Activities, the City Giuliano blue, and the holder in loads Francisco Rutelli? The first one spoke little, but when it took to the word on issues dirimenti like the intellectual property the reasons of the record enterprises, cinematographic, publishing they had found their defender. Who used, and uses, the net in order to share on-linens deposited collective intelligence in the serveur of Internet went, according to Giuliano City, subordinate to control, until emanating a decree that equipara the peer-to-peer to penal crime. Francisco Rutelli, instead, speaks very. But as far as the intellectual property he is online of continuity with its precedessore. Some days before the holder of the Ministry of the Cultural Assets a petition of the association "Altroconsumo" has reached in which it is asked Rutelli see again the Italian norm on the peer-to-peer. In particular, this association of the consumers, fort of beyond diecimila companies the collections, proposed the overcoming of City the proibizionista logic of the decree that previews penal endorsements for who exchanges musical rows, video and other. The first answer has had it from Peter Folena of the Commission Culture, that it has expressed its consent regarding the spirit of the pespirit of the petition. From Rutelli instead a letter of answer that is all a program. For the defender of the wedding between the devil and the Saint water (laws: enterprises and consumers), the copyright is sacred, as the wedding. They go established rules, supports Rutelli in the answer to "Altroconsumo", but troubles to put in argument the sacralitÃ of the intellectual property. The peer-to-peer it must therefore remain a crime, even if Rutelli, in order to save the spirit, rifÃ to a savee the spirit, rifÃ to a savee spirit, rifÃ to alli, in order to save the spirit, rifÃ to aapplied to a process that judges a previous fact the City approval of the decree. Therefore, no intention to modify that norm. Therefore, continuity with the defendersntinuity with the defendersecord, cinematographic industries. With goodphic industries. With goodof the "consumers". In the passed one and concitata electoral campaign, the Union had sent marks them of availability towards the reasons of the variegato universe of the activists of the cyberspace. It is clear: no revolution, but adhesion to how much of innovative had been manifested to international level on the intellectual property. Translate in simple terms: acceptance of the principÃ(R) of the copyright, but propensione for a mixed system that puts on the same one slowly produced open source or free. With the consequent abandonment of the police and penal persecution of who it shares saperi and acquaintance against the regimen of the intellectual property. Insomma, "a moderated" point of view, that it very made however to hope. Of that availability if trace in the acts of the government of Prodi Roman is lost some. The stillicidio continues of police operations - they mails, financial police, lacks the police officers, but soon also they will adapt themselves, because they are in the faithful centuries - against who she uses the net like common good. It is time that also in Italy goes the Argentine adage: "Que if vayan todos". http://www.peacelink.it/cybercultura/a/20993.html

Re: free software,losed elections and paolodelbene in SINISTRA CRITICA the new left

paolo del bene — 2008-04-22T19:19:01

hy to all, in italy has won again berlusconi, i activeted myself with new left 'SINISTRA CRITICA' http://www.sinistracritica.org/ i hope to occupate of free software in SINISTRA CRITICA. at the same time i invite you to read the Italian Magazine La Stampa - The Print 11/4/2008 Free software and political elections SARA ARRIGONE As many of you know the free software is a topic that is to heart to many, in particular to who thinks that the technology must free, be opened and transparent for all those who with it works and interacts. Many associations, before between all the Free Foundation Software, have carried ahead numerous battles in order to introduce the free software in Public Administration and many governments, after a careful appraisal of costs, benefits and times of migration and learning for the customers, have decided to adopt Linux (or GNU-Linux more exactly) as main operating system in the entire country. entire country. e examples more he celebrates and cited we find Spain, where in 1999 the MAP (Ministry for Public Administration) chose of migrare from Windows to the free software, and Brasi they, than she has not only contributed a lot to the cause of the free software in terms of development and experimentation on the software, but also she has been between first encouraging the migration from software owner to Linux. re owner to Linux. f the customers informed to us and the enterprises is muovendo a lot to care and from various years he is sensitive to the thematic ones of the free software, than for who it did not remember the definition exactly, it is a type of software that can be used, be copied, be modified and distributed legal and liberations. Beyond joining to the international initiatives of the Free Foundation Software, in fact, national associations, groups of support exist on the territory numerous call LUG and initiatives to you, between which course of schooling in order to learn to use thematic Linux and events us. Italy of the politicians is instead various steps behind, regarding the other governments and the population. Although they have been some trying to you from part of little individuals illuminates of giving the just importance to you to the topics of the free technology and of the innovation, there are still many actions to complete. To this purpose association ASSOLI is collecting companies for one petition to favor of the free software, not only from part of the citizens, but also from part of the politicians. On the situated one it is possible to read the names of the candidates who have joined to the petition and the party to which they belong and even to get rid the ideas in the last hours that precede the ballot. http://www.lastampa.it/_web/cmstp/tmplrubriche/blog/grubrica.asp?ID_blog=147&ID_articolo=36&ID_sezione=310&sezione=World%20Wide%20Caf%E8 2008/3/23, advocate-request-oYdwhNDUXIVg9hUCZPvPmw< at >public.gmane.org public.gmane.org>:

Re: 10 milion euro which end ?

paolo del bene — 2008-03-22T19:33:56

The italian government in 2007 with Romano Prodi have had destinated to free software 10 milion of euro, not 1 cent of euro really arrived to free software. please visit http://maffulli.net/2007/12/21/dove-sono-finiti-i-fondi-per-il-software-libero/#comment-32215 the translation, stefano maffulli the barriers exist for being exceeded 21 Dec 2007 Where are ended the deep ones for the Free Software? Published by Stef at 10:05 am under it This makes me to fall the arms: 10 million euro allocate to you from financial institution 2007 to support of the free software seem talk nonsense to you, but expenses elsewhere where? Of it Flavia and Roberto speak making to notice but that to the citizens knowledge is not given where they have been expenses, like and from who: servants transparency. as some parliamentarians were themselves engage to you in electoral campaign to support of the free software and collecting therefore some ballot, they said that the minimum that we can make is to ask Where is ended? the image is liberations available for who wants to use it on its blog: < to href="http://maffulli.net/2007/12/21/dove-be-end-the-deep-in order to-the-software-free/" > < img src="http://maffulli.net/wp-content/uploads/dovesonofiniti.png" alt="Dove the deep ones for the Free Software are ended" align="left" border="0" /> 34 Responses to 34 Responses to "where are ended the deep ones for the Libero?" Software; # Roberto Galoppini on 21 Dec 2007 at 12:18 pm tiful idea that one of the national marking. Returning to the issue money, I fear that as often happens the understood one them of expense of the financial institution they are too "orientatives", the point is that in this case senator Magnolfi has spold itself abundantly in more and more occasion speaking than these deep ones, and creed that would have had a transparency action, indeed they are convinced some. To times while we take care ourselves to choose the color of the paper from adorns to you l'ufficiale judicial is pignorando the furnitures. # Flavia on 21 Dec 2007 at 12:21 pm Not, not expenses altrove… it is not known dove… but (I even count to us still) I have been expenses for the good cause! The thing that critical, for hour, is the transparency lack! # That fine they have made 10 million euro? "Lobotomia & 21WordPress on Dec 2007 at 5:14 pm [ … ] aim has made 10 million euro? Me I ask also after to have read the post of Stefano Maffulli, 10 million euro allocate to you from financial institution 2007 for the free software [ … ] # Mark Frattola (sbarrax) on 22 Dec 2007 at 11:56 am Me it is not of all clear, reading to "Discipline previewed in Financial institution 2007 afferent to the competence of the Ministry for the Reforms and Innovations in the PA (…)", as 10 million euro can be associated (explicitly mention you to the aim of "estendere and supporting in all the national territory the realization of plans for the societa' dell'informazione, (…)") and a investimeno clearly for the Free Software …? Son lost to me anything? Good NATO Them, m. /x # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 1:13 pm I have taken the image. it is right to ask it, it is just porsi of the questions, even if the answers will not come or if they will come they will be from verifying. one of my sons uses alone free Software. bye and thanks. to you and flavia. # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 1:24 pm the image is not glue for now…. # Stef on 22 Dec 2007 at 5:11 pm titti: if you say (that error more to me? where you have tried glue) I even can help you Mark: creed is explained to codicil 895 like using the deep ones allocates to you in codicil 892 895. In the appraisal of the plans to finance, of which to codicil 892, it is given to priority to that they use or they develop to applications software to open code. # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 6:31 pm thanks for the availability, therefore, I make "copy" on yours link (evidencing it before.). the "paste" on the template ones of mine blog. But on the blog word appears only one "dove", that it does not send back to yours blog…ritorna on the mio…devo to try again …. I have a blog on splinder, tittidiruolo. # Stef on 22 Dec 2007 at 8:25 pm titti: I have understood the resolved problem and l'ho (was the font that it changes the "). I have sent you an email however. Thanks. # tittidiruolo on 22 Dec 2007 at 9:20 pm perfect, thanks, have been sufficient to change the font…non have deovuto to execute the procedure advised in yours mail, all simpler. thanks of new and we hope in the 10 milioni… while you pass good festivities! # links for 2007-12-23on 23 Dec 2007 at 3:19 am [ … ] ] [ stefano maffulli "Where are ended the deep ones for the Free Software? A question and one national marking: where 10 million euro are ended "per to the Libero" Software; (tags: blog maffulli software+libero Italy financial institution question) [ … ] # Debianizzati.Org "Where is ended the deep ones for the Free Software?on 28 Dec 2007 at 10:09 am [ … ] The Blog di Stefano Maffulli. Tags: 2007, financial institution, deep, free, software [ … ] # marbel on 29 Dec 2007 at 11:10 am http://blog.debianizzati.org/2007/12/28/dove-be-end-the-deep-in order to-the-software-free # Stefano Canepa on 30 Dec 2007 at 10:06 pm C'è way in order to ask account for where is ended these moneies? Critical Flavia, just the transparency lack but is optimistic I is pessimist but I would want to know, like we make to ask? Has sense a petition as it proposes Roberto Galoppini on mine blog? I repeat here what I have written elsewhere: a petition electronic would have sense? We send one letter signed from several associations to some minister? Insomma like is made knowledge where is ended these moneies? # O.S. Revolution "Controversy? Government? Moneies Talk nonsense To You? 10 million euro? Free Software? Ok I am associated!on 31 Dec 2007 at 2:16 am [ … ] I can resist when I feel these things then I join to the tam tam, I instill the financial institution has to us nearly of all kills to you but we must [ … ] # the moneies of the free software scompaiono in the null one | PettiNixon 31 Dec 2007 at 2:41 am [ … ] these moneies seem shoot to you and to Stefano interrogative Maffulli un'interessante nozzle: Where are ended the deep ones for the free software? In its blog Maffulli beyond placing to if same, to the politicians and all the Italians the question [ … ] # Financial institution 2007 and moneies of the free software "DoppiaVu's 31Blog on Dec 2007 at 10:44 am [ … ] 31, 2007 of doppiavu Scrivo two lines in support of this initiative, that it has the scope of knowledge where 10 million) euro are ended 10′ooo'ooo (allocate to you [ … ] # AleRitty on 01 Jan 2008 at 7:55 pm Many documents are pubblici… Nobody has simply tried to telephone to the secretariats? Or to send a fax demanding the things? From what I know some, the documents publics are accessible to anyone, therefore also asking as private citizens (must) be had one answer. # of passage on 03 Jan 2008 at 11:03 pm It is true what I felt today in one of ours "esemplari" Nostrani TG (you see study open of the 18,30), than the senators they are still increases the wages to you, and the parliamentarians will follow to wheel? Will be ended lì famous 10 million? # Flavia on 05 Jan 2008 at 12:15 pm , in theory they are publics, you have reason when you say "(dovrebbe)" that is: - they are publics if you have time and patience to find the number of the interested ministero/dipartimento/ufficio - they are publics if you have time to telephone thousand times until that someone answers you - they are publics if when telephones finds a person kind that also understanding nothing a some office does not pass to you - they are publics if l'ufficio who have passed to you it is that right one and the person who answers to you does not have fear violare some strange law or also to only make to anger the head revealing "segreti d'ufficio" - they are publics if who answers to you not names to un'improbabile article of the law on the privacy - they are publics if someone has them publishes to you (in theory would have to be published on the situated ones) They are publics? Insomma from to the transparency the road is still a lot here a lot much long one. An appeal online? Perhaps, or perhaps also only one open letter (to newspapers and Minister interested) signed from a po' of associations and/or personages of I find of the university world and the sw free. my 2 cents Flavia # Flavia on 05 Jan 2008 at 12:20 pm < at > frattola mark Codicil 895 of the financial institution 2007 (that one in argument in order to understand to us here) recites how much follows: "(Priorità of the plans to finance) In the appraisal of the plans to finance, of which to codicil 892, it is given to priority to that they use or they develop APPLICATIONS to OPEN CODE. The codes source, the eseguibili and the documentation of the software develop to you are maintained in an atmosphere of cooperative development, situated in a web characterized from the Ministry for the reforms and the innovations in Public Administration to the aim of being able to be visible and riutilizzabili". here the motivations of my hope, poi… I know, are un'inguaribile optimist # ] [ stefano maffulli "Dear Sig. Minister Nicolais, where is?10 the million? on 09 Jan 2008 at 1:08 pm [ … ] to the Minister Nicolais and the Magnolfi undersecretary asking transparency (as Stefano Canepa suggested also). we would ask makes us to know as first previewed 10 million euro have been expenses for the [ … ] # Dude, to where is my stash? at Boldly Open on 16 Jan 2008 at 12:43 am [ … ] [ … ] # ] [ stefano maffulli "We will never know where are ended?10 the million? on 25 Jan 2008 at 8:17 pm [ … ] the government is not that the hopes of knowing that diminish fine they have made?10 the million allocates to you from the financial institution of the [ … ] # robiw72 on 31 Jan 2008 at 12:54 pm perhaps they are you use for those poor politicians who for job reasons are far from the mogli……….. # Flavia on 19 Feb 2008 at 12:52 pm Now it is known where they are finiti… Here http://finalmentelibero.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=1642982%3ABlogPost%3A6007 the answer! oh my god answer is one word grossa… you see # ] [ stefano maffulli "Some indication in order to find 10 millionon 21 Feb 2008 at 9:01 am [ … ] about which it speaks Flavia, that is the answer to the demand for clarifications to the minister Nicolais on 10 million euro allocates to you to favor of the Free Software. In the first place, they are content that someone has answered, that it is not from giving for discounted, [ … ] # GNUvox < at > FSC "Blog Archive" Where is ended the deep ones for the Free Software? on 06 Mar 2008 at 8:45 pm [ … ] Maffulli on its blog resumes one spiny issue: that fine they have made 10 million euro that financial institution 2007 had destined to the support of the [ … ] # paolodelbene on 12 Mar 2008 at 4:55 pm if I find the number of the ds, will contact the Beatrice Magnolfi salutes # paolodelbene on 12 Mar 2008 at 5:08 pm it must make one denunciation until the Power of attorney of the Republic can verify that fine they have made such bottoms. # Stef on 12 Mar 2008 at 5:53 pm Paul: the ministry has answered and some indication on as these moneies have been expenses we have it here and here. # and 10 million euro for the free software? -- {:nemorino60:}on 13 Mar 2008 at 2:41 pm [ … ] a dated Pò but draft however of a argument object of financial institution 2007. Draft of 10 million euro is allocated to you to support of the free software. Stefano Maffulli is asked that fine they have made. [ … ] # paolodelbene on 20 Mar 2008 at 3:57 pm during this period I am attending a course of the ECIPALAZIO http://www.ecipalazio.it mailto:info< at >ecipalazio.it that it would have to regard the emergency computer science. all e' demonstrated, except being a given over course to the computer science emergency. a course Cisco Systems, but legacy to double node with the MICROSOFT. 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Please spread the word: Windows Vista Incapable

Joshua Gay — 2008-03-18T21:56:34

Microsoft Vista is incapable of running on most machines. Even if you could run it, you'd find that it takes your general-purpose computer and makes it incapable of doing a lot of things you might want to do, like accessing your hardware (e.g., video cards), running certain third-party applications, or controlling your multimedia and other data files. Today Microsoft has shipped Windows Vista Service Pack 1, and it has done nothing in the way of providing users with more freedom and control of their machines. Read the blog: * http://badvista.fsf.org/blog/windows-vista-incapable Sign the petition: * http://badvista.fsf.org/freesoftwarefreesociety/free-software-free-society/ And please, tell your friends by forwarding this email and posting it to your favorite news aggregation site! If you post the story to places like digg, del.icio.us, and reddit, please reply to the list so that other people can share those links.

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paolo del bene — 2008-03-12T14:23:11

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How bad is Vista?

Jacob Maynard — 2008-03-12T01:05:59

Vista is so bad, evidently, that Microsoft employees don't even like it. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09digi.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5087&em&en=16c93380cf8296d8&ex=1205294400 When they shoot themselves in the foot, it leaves us nothing to say. This makes me happy. Jacob

Please digg and promote EndSoftPatents.com

John Sullivan — 2008-02-28T21:12:11

Microsoft routinely attacks alternatives to Windows, like free software GNU/Linux operating systems, by making vague claims that those alternatives are violating Microsoft's patents. Patents serve to chill and intimidate software developers. A key component of restoring the freedom of computer users is getting rid of software patents. Today the Free Software Foundation has joined with a broad coalition to launch a campaign that will end the threat of software patents for good. Please take a moment to show your support for this effort. At digg: http://digg.com/software/Patent_reform_coalition_aims_to_abolish_software_patents At del.icio.us: http://del.icio.us/url/e4c1b84347d03f804db0d1c14cf59fb7 If you promote it in other forums, please reply to this thread with the links to call each other's attention to it. Thanks,

Re: is there any help here?

member greenarrow1 — 2008-02-24T04:56:13

Actually you can also get SuSE 10.3 Live CD at: http://software.opensuse.org/ Or if you have a XP Pro disk you can do a dual install w/Vista, and then, never use Vista. On 2/22/08, Timothy Musson public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: is there any help here?

Timothy Musson — 2008-02-23T02:34:48

Ringo Kamens, 2008-02-22 17:43:53: By the way, a nice thing about Ringo's suggestion is that you can try Ubuntu without installing it. (That is, you can run it directly off the CD, without touching your hard drive.) So you can check how well your hardware (e.g. printers) work before deciding whether or not you want to install it for real. http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu This site's really good at explaining what GNU/Linux is: http://www.getgnulinux.org/ If you get stuck with anything, there's probably a GNU/Linux user group nearby: http://www.linux.org/groups/ -- Timothy Musson FSF Associate Member #1262 http://www.russsoc.org.nz/ http://www.fsf.org/

Re: is there any help here?

Ringo Kamens — 2008-02-22T22:43:53

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is there any help here?

2008-02-22T20:29:30

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Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXMLand Vista "not recommended"

gpinterfirst — 2008-01-27T14:16:51

I agree. Multi application knowledge is a must in the 21st century. Unfortunately Bill Gates and his cronies force many of us to use their puny overpriced programs through market fixings and arm twisting. In my case I used Corel WordPerfect Office (which I think better than office), even before it was Corel. Now that I am in real estate I literally being forced to use MS products because the industry use it only MS programs. Gabe, Ah, yes politics. Poli- coming from the latin word meaning many, and tics- coming from the latin word meaning small blood sucking insects. -----Original Message----- From: advocate-bounces< at >badvista.org [mailto:advocate-bounces< at >badvista.org] On Behalf Of Fred Okuma Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 7:58 AM To: BadVista.org Advocacy Subject: Re: [BadVista Advocate] UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXML and Vista "not recommended" A little bit off-topic now, but Becta gave one good reason in their report to recommend 'open software' in educational environment. My summary: - Some say students should be familiar with 'industry standard' software (meaning Microsoft Office). - Not true. Students are now highly computer literate. They can use many types of applications. - Multi-vendor skill sets should enhance employability in the 21st century, not limit it. Excerpt from the report follows. Becta recommends 'freely available software' instead of so-called 'industry standard software' in it ( http://publications.becta.org.uk/download.cfm?resID=35275 ): ---- quote ---- Addressing issues of mind set 6.12 Some schools and colleges take the view that they need to use a specific proprietary software product because that product is widely used in industry and commerce, and, the argument goes, students need to be familiar with what is in the Œreal world ¹. ...(snip)... 6.13 However, students today are usually highly ICT literate, and are likely to use a wide range of ICT software in school or college possibly even a wider range at home. They can also happily switch from using computers at school to those at home or in the local library or internet café. They would be very unlikely to be incapable of using a particular version of an office productivity suite when they left school because they had become used to using (say) OpenOffice.org at school. 6.14 In summary, the Œfamiliarity ¹ argument is more suited to pupils of the 1980s and 1990s than to those of the 21st century. Indeed it would be a poor testament to today ¹s ICT education if, on leaving formal education, young people were unable to use a basic software package (such as office productivity software or a web browser)just because it had some differences in functionality, or in its user interface, from the one they had used at school or college. Multi-vendor skill sets should enhance employability in the 21st century, not limit it. ---- end quote ---- Fred _______________________________________________ Advocate mailing list Advocate< at >badvista.org http://badvista.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate _______________________________________________ Advocate mailing list Advocate< at >badvista.org http://badvista.fsf.org/mailman/listinfo/advocate

Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXML and Vista "not recommended"

Matthew Flaschen — 2008-01-27T14:04:57

Of course, using "industry standard" software just because it's industry standard is only reinforcing an accidental status quo. If we decide to use free software that supports open standards, that will create a more logical standard practice. Matt Flaschen

Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXMLand Vista "not recommended"

Dave Crossland — 2008-01-27T13:08:29

Thanks for posting this - I think this is _highly_ relevant to free software advocacy! Talking to graphic design college professors and working professionals I hear this lame "oh its not industry standard so I would never use it" excuse _constantly_ - so I'm very glad to read this :-)

Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXML and Vista "not recommended"

Fred Okuma — 2008-01-27T12:57:31

A little bit off-topic now, but Becta gave one good reason in their report to recommend 'open software' in educational environment. My summary: - Some say students should be familiar with 'industry standard' software (meaning Microsoft Office). - Not true. Students are now highly computer literate. They can use many types of applications. - Multi-vendor skill sets should enhance employability in the 21st century, not limit it. Excerpt from the report follows. Becta recommends 'freely available software' instead of so-called 'industry standard software' in it ( http://publications.becta.org.uk/download.cfm?resID=35275 ): ---- quote ---- Addressing issues of mind set 6.12 Some schools and colleges take the view that they need to use a specific proprietary software product because that product is widely used in industry and commerce, and, the argument goes, students need to be familiar with what is in the real world ¹. ...(snip)... 6.13 However, students today are usually highly ICT literate, and are likely to use a wide range of ICT software in school or college possibly even a wider range at home. They can also happily switch from using computers at school to those at home or in the local library or internet café. They would be very unlikely to be incapable of using a particular version of an office productivity suite when they left school because they had become used to using (say) OpenOffice.org at school. 6.14 In summary, the familiarity ¹ argument is more suited to pupils of the 1980s and 1990s than to those of the 21st century. Indeed it would be a poor testament to today ¹s ICT education if, on leaving formal education, young people were unable to use a basic software package (such as office productivity software or a web browser)just because it had some differences in functionality, or in its user interface, from the one they had used at school or college. Multi-vendor skill sets should enhance employability in the 21st century, not limit it. ---- end quote ---- Fred

Windows' Genuine Disadvantage -- Vista killswitch removed

John Sullivan — 2008-01-17T18:29:43

New post up by Matt Lee, give it a digg: http://www.digg.com/microsoft/Windows_Genuine_Disadvantage_Vista_kill_switch_removed

Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXMLand Vista "not recommended"

Dave Crossland — 2008-01-17T11:23:01

Also! They are dropping VBA support in Office 2009 - making the tonnes of work Novell have done to OpenOffice to support VBA become very exciting and strategically crucial for the FS movement :-)

Re: UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXML and Vista "not recommended"

Fred Okuma — 2008-01-17T01:16:51

Dave, Thanks, it's a good news even though becta's rejection of Vista is somewhat mild. Sounds like Office 2007 products are yet another user lock-in strategy by Microsoft. Fred

UK Becta recommending ODF/avoiding OOXML andVista "not recommended"

Dave Crossland — 2008-01-15T20:50:42

Hi All, Somewhat old news now, but: A UK government advisory group is recommending ODF long term and minimising upgrades to Office 2007 and avoiding OOXML. Becta is the UK Government's "key partner in the strategic development and delivery of its information and communications technology (ICT) and e-learning." It "provides strategic advice to school leaders, teaching staff and technical staff on the use of ICT in schools." - http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=becta On 9/1/2008 Becta published its review of Microsoft's Vista and Office 2007 products. This "draws conclusions on whether to upgrade, how to upgrade and document interoperability between home and school, recommending that schools and colleges review the findings of the report before considering any large-scale investment or deployment. Full report [291 kB PDF http://publications.becta.org.uk/download.cfm?resID=35275]. ZDnet coverage of the issue http://www.zdnet.co.uk/misc/print/0,1000000169,39292025-39001084c,00.htm. The key recommendations from Becta's report are in the continuation post below. * Upgrading existing ICT systems to Microsoft Vista or Office 2007 is not recommended and mixed Windows-based operating environments should be avoided. However, Vista should be considered where new institution-wide ICT provision is being planned. * No widespread deployment of Office 2007 should take place until schools and colleges are sure that they have in place mechanisms to deal with interoperability and potential digital divide issues set out in the report. * To ensure widest compatibility of files between different applications, users of Office 2007 should not save in Microsoft's new Office format (OOXML). * Due to limitations in Microsoft's implementation of the Open Document Format (ODF) international standard, users should in the short term continue to save files in the more widely adopted .doc, .xls and .ppt formats. * Pupils, teachers and parents should also be made aware of the wide range of free-to-use products currently available and on how to use and access them. * The ICT industry should be facilitating easier access to 'free-to-use' office productivity software. -- Regards, Dave

Re: «Windows? No Thanks Refund . Italian Magazine ."Corriere della Sera"

paolo del bene — 2007-11-05T00:19:30

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