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Re: [OT] A good place to by a used smart phone

David Ritchie — 2013-06-19T03:56:37

Bank and credit union lobbies are good places to any sort of financial
transaction. They are everywhere, and they are used to seeing it all the
time (for things like car sales, etc).  Tell the seller you don't feel
safe carrying a lot of money around (true!). The nutty sellers will
disappear. and if something goes wrong the bank has video tape recording
all the time.

Re: Mail Client Suggestions For Exchange

Horkan Smith — 2013-06-18T23:01:22

For the Exchange server at my work:

W/ fetchmail, I manually kick off a pull:

$ fetchmail -a -m "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T" -p imap --auth ntlm -u 'horkan.smith' -r "foldername" mail.companyname.com

(Well, actually that's in a script.  Err, actually, that's what the script would say if I removed all of the maildrop stuff...)



For the fairly rare occasions I go straight to the Exchange server imap port from mutt:

$ mutt -f imap://horkan.smith-O5WfVfzUwx+VwhK/ix086VaTQe2KTcn/< at >public.gmane.org/inbox

I *think* the only Exchange / imap related lines in my .muttrc are:

....
set imap_keepalive=150
....
mailboxes imap://horkan.smith-O5WfVfzUwx+VwhK/ix086VaTQe2KTcn/< at >public.gmane.org imap://horkan.smith-O5WfVfzUwx+VwhK/ix086VaTQe2KTcn/< at >public.gmane.org/Inbox/Sent
....


This all assumes your Exchange administrators were nice enough to turn on imap or imaps.

later!
   horkan


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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

Boris Borisov — 2013-06-18T21:18:03

to Tim Watts: Very good point !


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Re: Hard Drive data recovery services?

Ron Frazier (ALE — 2013-06-18T20:52:48

JD <jdp-iBetQU9TKP1Wk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Hi all,

I realize this thread is a bit old, but I was going through my accumulated emails and thought I'd reply.

One popular backup recommendation is to use the 3-2-1 system. 3 copies of the data (including original), on 2 different technologies (ie hdd and optical disc), and at least 1 off site / online.

I'm sort of doing a 3-1-1 since I backup on hdd's and presumably so does my online backup provider (Amazon S3 via Jungledisk).

I also heard a quote on one of the podcast regarding copies of data.

"One is none, two is one." There are variations of this, but you get the idea.

Side note on that. I think, when I build computers in the future, I'm going to include at least 2 main hdd's. This way, you can do an automated and periodic backup (maybe) to the 2nd internal hdd as well as to an online offsite system. The problem with that is it's still subject to malware or electrical failures. The other problem is that you may have to reboot into the backup software to take care of in use files. I still like to backup periodically to an external usb / esata drive and then DETACH the drive.

If I was using optical disks for archiving and I really cared about extreme longevity, based on my research, I would use MAMA disks. Their PREDICTED longevity for their Gold DVD-R is over 100 years, their Gold-Silver DVD-R is 83 years, and their Gold CD-R is 300 years. I have not tested this claim!

http://www.mam-a.com/about
http://www.mam-a.com/products
http://www.mam-a.com/24kt_gold
http://www.mam-a.com/silverplus
http://www.mam-a.com/product_flyers

Taiyo Uden has an excellent reputation based on reviews I've read. They're now in a joint venture with JVC called Victor Advanced Media. They have an archival product, but I cannot make heads or tails of the specs. I would use them to get very high quality conventional media. Based on my reading, media for 8x writing speed is the most reliable as opposed to the 16x. You also have to make sure your software doesn't try to exceed the 8x speed. I recently bought some of their 8x (non archival) DVD-R's and have made some data discs with no problems. Eventually, I plan to put videos of tv shows and movies on them. If they're toast 20 years from now, it won't kill me. I haven't done any longevity testing on those. JVC also has some nice media writers and error checkers. Note, you will
not find this stuff on JVC's or Taiyo Yuden's main web site.

http://jvc-media.com/about/
http://jvc-media.com/archives/index.html
http://jvc-media.com/pro/index.html
http://jvc-media.com/archives/errorchecker.html

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Ron

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Re: ALE as business partner?

Scott Castaline — 2013-06-18T20:15:16

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I tried photo-rec on a former neighbor's drive and couldn't get
anywhere through no fault of the software. The drive itself had a
funny sound to it that I thought was a bad head. He went ahead and got
a new drive and started over from scratch (no backups). We went a head
and opened it up. One of the heads magnet was just hanging by its
wires and the disk surface looked about as bad as some streets in
Dekalb county. (actually the surface above this one was pretty bad too)


Sent from my home PC running Fedora18 to you and NSA, FBI, CIA, HSA
and God only knows who else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

Tim Watts — 2013-06-18T20:10:50

Any 32-bit distro should be fine if this is a typical
web/office/streaming media user.  I would avoid a 64-bit distro since
the bigger word size will force programs to occupy more bytes.



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Re: ALE as business partner?

Jim Kinney — 2013-06-18T19:47:15

I'm past pizza bribes.

expensive scotchs and Irish whiskeys, however...

Well, let's just say I've been known to do some hard drive recovery on a
windows machine to reclaim a multi-TB pile of music and videos. photo-rec
is my friend!


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Re: ALE as business partner?

leam hall — 2013-06-18T19:41:54

We must be from vastly different backgrounds! In "Linux at work"
(Goncalves, 1999) it specifically mentions pizza bribes.

Leam
 -- ghost-writer at large   :P






On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Jim Kinney <jim.kinney-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: [ANNC] ALE CENTRAL MTG -- Skipping June - No Formal Meeting Thursday, 2013-06-20

Jim Kinney — 2013-06-18T19:35:30

Everybodies is no more! They shut down when they sold they building to
5-Seasons.

See what you miss when you go away for months!

It will soon re-open as a 5-Seasons Slice and Pint.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Aaron Ruscetta <arxaaron-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: [ANNC] ALE CENTRAL MTG -- Skipping June - No Formal Meeting Thursday, 2013-06-20

Chuck Payne — 2013-06-18T19:34:29

Could we do the cook out next month?

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Aaron Ruscetta <arxaaron-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: ALE as business partner?

Jim Kinney — 2013-06-18T19:33:12

HA!

Linux geeks are more focused on the project/task/learning potential and are
not as easily swayed by food bribes.

or they have much worse ADHD...

Bring out the booze and all bets are off.

Hmm. screw the vi vs emacs! Lets have an IRON LIVER competition between
windows weenies and unix wizards!


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Mike Harrison <cluon-Mpm6NNcAuABWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

[ANNC] ALE CENTRAL MTG -- Skipping June - No Formal MeetingThursday, 2013-06-20

Aaron Ruscetta — 2013-06-18T19:27:27

With apologies, our ALE Event Coordinators are having to call for
a cancellation of the Thursday, June 20th, ALE Central Meeting.

Jim Kinney has been called away to deal with familial medical issues
and, while I wanted to pick up the slack, my readjustments to life back
in the U.S.A (the fascist nation that leads the world with 5 times the
levels of mass incarceration and global industrial death machine
distribution than it's nearest rival), have kept me extremely distracted.
Along with organizing for stateside work and play travels in July I
haven't found time to arrange a presentation.

And then there are the Emory venue summer time cost issues...
but that's for another discussion.

If all y'all want to meet up at Melton's (or something) anyway,
I hope you will make that happen without me.  The restaurant
formerly known as Everybody's Pizza is open for business
as well and might make a good alt.dot.meetup location.

in peace,
aaron
ALE Events Coordinator (etc)
404.315.0406

PS:  July may be skipped as well, but planning for an
ALE Bar-Be-Que are in the works for August.
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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

Scott Castaline — 2013-06-18T19:19:54

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I have an old HP that my Father-in-Law gave me to use for the
grandkids. It originally had Winblows Blista on 512MB. It was a pig (I
mean PIG with loud booming echo), as in start the boot up and go have
breakfast (no go out to a resturant for breakfast not at home), it may
be at login screen when you got back. I took the hard drive and wiped
it with Nukem and then installed Bohdi32 on it and it now screams. He
had upgraded to 1GB, but after about a month he said it was as slow as
ever. Bohdi uses E17 for its WM and the default settings for the fancy
DE works great and breathes new life to this Ole Box.


Sent from my home PC running Fedora18 to you and NSA, FBI, CIA, HSA
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Re: ALE as business partner?

Mike Harrison — 2013-06-18T19:11:35


The local (grumble grumble..) .NET/ASP users group often has a regional 
recruiting company as a sponsor. At a minimum, they show up with pizza and 
beverages and get a short plug at the meeting. Sometimes they are involved 
with or support the costs of the guest speaker. I haven't been for a 
while, but during a few months there seemed to be competition between 
Modis and a couple of other agencies and the offers to be a sponsor got 
fairly plush. ie: Food, beverage, a respected industry speaker, schwag and 
demo software to give away...

When I was involved in AITP and ASTD, similar things happened.
I miss the days of "death by chocolate" being sponsored by Cisco.


We've tried this at Chugalug's, but it has not worked out the same.
Different social and professional group? Less organized?




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Re: ALE as business partner?

Mike Harrison — 2013-06-18T19:03:26

I don't know the ALE dynamics well enough to comment on this, but I do 
know the Chugalug and a local PHP Dev's group well enough to know that
informally, this happens a lot. We know who to call, whome we can work 
with, and who pays what for a special project. It works well when you need
a few hours of uber-geekdom in a narrow specialty.


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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

JD — 2013-06-18T18:38:06

Ron, your A500 **definitely** has a GPU. That is why it can handle 720p and
sometimes 1080i video.  Use any software-based video decoder to see that it
cannot handle anything over 592p with the ARM CPU.  I've performed extensive
testing for a work project on this.  BTW, I have the exact same tablet - A500.

Almost any distro should run fine in 1GB of RAM.  It is just the GUI that needs
to be swapped out.  Avoid Unity (the default for Ubuntu), but XFCE, LXDE and any
pure-window manager setups will work great in 1G of RAM.

I've run Ubuntu/LXDE in 512MB on many Pentium4-class machines. It worked fine.
The key is to avoid Unity, Gnome3, and the higher-cheese-factor GUIs that major
desktop vendors seem to be pushing the last 2+ yrs.

There is no need to throw out an entire distro just because of the GUI used.
Swapping GUIs is about 3 minutes to install something different, then a
logout/login referencing the different GUI is all it takes.

DSL and Putty have historically used the root account for everything. That is a
terrible choice.  If you want something small that runs on 64MB of RAM and
screams on 1G, then try one of the TinyCore variants.

I've attempted to use Android x86 and while it worked, it felt extremely limited
compared to the power of a full-OS.  However, it is a fun all-day project just
to see how it works.

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Re: ALE June 2013 Meeting

JD — 2013-06-18T18:29:50

Hi Al.


Only because nobody else has responded, however I don't know anything specific
...  June is usually the month when ALE has a social/BBQ event.  I haven't seen
anything concrete about it, just a call for help with locations (association
club houses are great for this).

It appears that you found the email list, so you'll see the meeting
announcements when those come out.

For July-November, look to the 2nd and 3rd Thursday of the month at 7:30p for
ALE-NW and ALE meetings, respectively. These will probably happen in the normal
locations, with a slight room change possible.

The http://ale.org/ website seems to have stagnated since April.  I know that
Aaron has been extremely busy.  Almost all communications happens over this
email list.

ALE-NW may start our own website to better communicate with our membership.  I'm
looking for volunteers for web design, running the server, donations for hosting
and a small amount of cash to purchase DNS and domain names. Please respond to
me off-list.  I'm thinking we start with nothing fancy at all - just static HTML
and RSS feeds, using a page builder and use the most cost effective web hosting
that I know - nearlyFreeSpeech.net.

BTW, I did get your email and responded, but your ISP has been blocking all
email from every domain that I run for 6+ months, so I expect you didn't see it.
 That specific ISP is the **only** known domain currently blocking us.

I hope to see you at the next ALe or ALE-NW meeting!

-jd

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Re: ALE as business partner?

leam hall — 2013-06-18T18:15:05

Jim, understood. On the other hand, the ALE Jobs list is a great resource
for recruiters. They would probably pay a little to subscribe. Maybe more
if the person was "vetted" by peers.

That said, where the money goes and how to define "vetted" is up for grabs.
I'm much better at helping people plot a course for improvement than
figuring out how to build a business.

That said, as well, I'd love to work in a business that fixes a lot of the
issues I see.   :)

Leam



On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Ron Frazier (ALE) <
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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

Ron Frazier (ALE — 2013-06-18T18:11:14

PS to prior post.  Android for x86 might be an option.  Not quite as compatible with typical pc docs and apps, but something to think about.  My tablet runs a dual core cpu and 1 gb ram.  Performance is reasonable and it can do 720 p full screen video.  I don't know if it has a gpu or not.

Sincerely,

Ron


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Re: ALE as business partner?

Ron Frazier (ALE — 2013-06-18T18:02:34

I might be interested.

Ron


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Re: Linux in 1 GB RAM

Ron Frazier (ALE — 2013-06-18T17:58:48

I have had ubuntu 11.04 with gnome 2 running on an old pentium 4 2.4 ghz single core 1gb ram laptop for a while. It runs decently, but not brilliantly. It's a little sluggish starting apps, not so bad once they're running for basic tasks. For things like running video, 1/4 screen window of youtube is ok. Full screen works the system a bit too hard and you get stuttering. Firefox (with, say 1 - 3 tabs) and Libre Office and email are all usable. You definitely want a swap partition or swap file with that limited amount of ram. Mint 13 (LTS and based on Ubuntu 12.04) + Mate would be a modern equivalent. I'm not going to bother to upgrade that pc. This setup might be a little constrained by those system limits, but it would work even better with a lighter weight desktop environment.
I wouldn't recommend running more than 2 - 3 of apps at a time though.

Sincerely,

Ron

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