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Re: Linux relatime and MQ performance

Bob Juch — 2013-05-20T16:13:45

Windows has a similar file access time. You can turn that off with a
registry key.

You can do that by running in a CMD window: fsutil behavior set
disablelastaccess 1

You must reboot for that to take effect.

Bob Juch
Juch Services LLC


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Re: monitor

Wittenborn, Jack (DES — 2013-05-20T15:15:08

Yes

Thank you very much to everyone,

Those of us who don’t have any monitors now know what is available and what works.  I love the list serve for its education.


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Thanks to everyone for the feedback. We'll have a look at some of the suggestions.

Cheers

Graham





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we also use Infrared360 here at NB, and we are very happy with it.... in addition to use by the admins, we give it to the App teams for Dev testing and we also give them "view" permissions to Prod for checking up and troubleshooting
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All,

We at USBank make use of IR360 - but it is a combination use for us.  We do not monitor the mainframe MQ environment with it (we could, but the mainframe group prefers to use Mainview for it)  - but we have access to it.  So, we use it for browsing queues, granting developer groups access to MQ queues (regardless of platform) and are able to restrict access based on userids / groups to just what any particular dev team needs, and dependent on the environment (Dev, QA, Prod, etc.).

The monitoring aspects of IR360 are good, but I find it much more useful in that we can use it to "see" our entire MQ infrastructure.  We do monitor and create incidents for MQ issues in the distributed  environments (this includes Windows, Unix and Tandem).

I use this tool daily and would be lost without it - and I know that many dev groups find it extremely useful.  The key is in creating the Userid/Group security model in such a way that admin is reduced as much as possible (but, there is admin work involved), and still get the granularity of access restriction that is desired.

Thanks,
David Corbett
Work:  612-973-7086
Pager: 612-280-6307
IBM Certified Solution Designer - WebSphere MQ V7.0
IBM Certified System Administrator - WebSphere MQ V7.0



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Hi Graham. 'd suggest Infrared360. I saw ZKB speak during the IBM Impact conference and they say it takes them 20% of the effort to manage their environment with IR.

It's a fraction of the cost to manage and supports any operating system, distributed or legacy.

Any Avada IR360 users out there? You are welcome to speak up.



On May 17, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Graham R Clark wrote:

Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe.

Thanks

Cheers
Graham


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Re: monitor

Graham R Clark — 2013-05-20T15:04:41

Thanks to everyone for the feedback. We'll have a look at some of the 
suggestions.

Cheers 
Graham
 
 
Graham R Clark
Systems Programmer (CICS, MQ and WebSphere on Z/OS)
Infrastructure Managed Services – Infrastructure Run
T : +44 1827 717733 x4580
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we also use Infrared360 here at NB, and we are very happy with it.... in 
addition to use by the admins, we give it to the App teams for Dev testing 
and we also give them "view" permissions to Prod for checking up and 
troubleshooting

From: "Dave Corbett" <DAVID.CORBETT< at >USBANK.COM>
To: MQSERIES< at >LISTSERV.MEDUNIWIEN.AC.AT
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 12:40:26 PM
Subject: Re: monitor

All, 

We at USBank make use of IR360 - but it is a combination use for us.  We 
do not monitor the mainframe MQ environment with it (we could, but the 
mainframe group prefers to use Mainview for it)  - but we have access to 
it.  So, we use it for browsing queues, granting developer groups access 
to MQ queues (regardless of platform) and are able to restrict access 
based on userids / groups to just what any particular dev team needs, and 
dependent on the environment (Dev, QA, Prod, etc.). 

The monitoring aspects of IR360 are good, but I find it much more useful 
in that we can use it to "see" our entire MQ infrastructure.  We do 
monitor and create incidents for MQ issues in the distributed environments 
(this includes Windows, Unix and Tandem). 

I use this tool daily and would be lost without it - and I know that many 
dev groups find it extremely useful.  The key is in creating the 
Userid/Group security model in such a way that admin is reduced as much as 
possible (but, there is admin work involved), and still get the 
granularity of access restriction that is desired. 

Thanks,
David Corbett
Work:  612-973-7086
Pager: 612-280-6307
IBM Certified Solution Designer - WebSphere MQ V7.0
IBM Certified System Administrator - WebSphere MQ V7.0 



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Date:        05/17/2013 10:13 AM 
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Hi Graham. 'd suggest Infrared360. I saw ZKB speak during the IBM Impact 
conference and they say it takes them 20% of the effort to manage their 
environment with IR. 

It's a fraction of the cost to manage and supports any operating system, 
distributed or legacy. 

Any Avada IR360 users out there? You are welcome to speak up. 



On May 17, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Graham R Clark wrote: 

Hi all, 

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks 

Cheers 
Graham 
  
  
Graham R Clark 
Systems Programmer (CICS, MQ and WebSphere on Z/OS) 
Infrastructure Managed Services – Infrastructure Run 
T : +44 1827 717733 x4580
M : +44 750 234 7957
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Linux relatime and MQ performance

Tim Zielke — 2013-05-20T14:59:23

I think this information I am sharing about Linux relatime is about 5 years old and some of you are probably already aware of it, but just wanted to pass it on in case you were not and run MQ on Linux.

This has to do with the Unix/Linux file attribute of atime. As a reminder, a Unix/Linux file has 3 time attributes called atime (access time), ctime (change time), and mtime (modify time). Access time is the last time a read or write happened against the file (or used to be for Linux, I'll get to that later), change time is the last time file attributes like permissions were changed, and modify time was the last time the file contents were changed. These 3 values are stored in the inode of the file which is a structure stored on the file system and potentially a copy in-memory, as well.

What the Linux kernel programmers realized a while ago is that atime is a significant performance issue. This is because anytime a file does a read or write (even if the read was against a file cached in memory) an i/o write has to occur to update the atime for the inode structure on the filesystem. So they eventually came up with a new default called relatime (relative atime). relatime changes the atime behavior so it is only updated when it is older than the ctime or mtime, or I think also if it hasn't been updated in the past 24 hours. I believe it is the default for Linux since around the 2.6.30 kernel. I have verified that our 2.6.32 Linux SUSE kernels are using relatime, and are older Red Hat Linux kernels which are at 2.6.18 are not. Of course, this means that Linux has completely changed the default historical definition of atime, but they did it to provide some significant Linux performance improvements.

I couldn't find any mention of relatime in the MQ manuals or with a google search of MQ and relatime, so I thought I would mention it. If you are an MQ administrator and your Linux kernels are older than 2.6.30, you may want to consider upgrading to a later kernel as you will get some MQ performance improvement from this Linux default relatime change.

Thanks,
Tim Zielke
CICS/MQ Systems Programmer
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Re: Alt User with Command Server?

Glenn Baddeley — 2013-05-19T23:32:37

Hi Neil,

Limited access to command queues and objects (Read-only capababiliy for MQ 
Explorer 'anonymous' administrator) is also covered off in chapter 9 of the new 
WMQ Security Redbook
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248069.html?Open

Cheers,
Glenn Baddeley
Senior Middleware Software Engineer
Coles Supermarkets Australia Pty Ltd
Melbourne, AU.

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Re: monitor

2013-05-17T22:03:04

we also use Infrared360 here at NB, and we are very happy with it.... in addition to use by the admins, we give it to the App teams for Dev testing and we also give them "view" permissions to Prod for checking up and troubleshooting 

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Subject: Re: monitor 

All, 

We at USBank make use of IR360 - but it is a combination use for us. We do not monitor the mainframe MQ environment with it (we could, but the mainframe group prefers to use Mainview for it) - but we have access to it. So, we use it for browsing queues, granting developer groups access to MQ queues (regardless of platform) and are able to restrict access based on userids / groups to just what any particular dev team needs, and dependent on the environment (Dev, QA, Prod, etc.). 

The monitoring aspects of IR360 are good, but I find it much more useful in that we can use it to "see" our entire MQ infrastructure. We do monitor and create incidents for MQ issues in the distributed environments (this includes Windows, Unix and Tandem). 

I use this tool daily and would be lost without it - and I know that many dev groups find it extremely useful. The key is in creating the Userid/Group security model in such a way that admin is reduced as much as possible (but, there is admin work involved), and still get the granularity of access restriction that is desired. 

Thanks, 
David Corbett 
Work: 612-973-7086 
Pager: 612-280-6307 
IBM Certified Solution Designer - WebSphere MQ V7.0 
IBM Certified System Administrator - WebSphere MQ V7.0 

From: Omen Blue <omenbluetrue-8a+P9i1ojmF8zQARNC3f2A< at >public.gmane.org> 
To: MQSERIES-0lvw86wZMd9k/bWDasg6f+2wyY2g16FtwPuJ0ROkVbw< at >public.gmane.org 
Date: 05/17/2013 10:13 AM 
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Hi Graham. 'd suggest Infrared360. I saw ZKB speak during the IBM Impact conference and they say it takes them 20% of the effort to manage their environment with IR. 

It's a fraction of the cost to manage and supports any operating system, distributed or legacy. 

Any Avada IR360 users out there? You are welcome to speak up. 

On May 17, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Graham R Clark wrote: 

Hi all, 

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks 

Cheers 

Graham 

Graham R Clark 

Systems Programmer (CICS, MQ and WebSphere on Z/OS) 

Infrastructure Managed Services – Infrastructure Run 

T : +44 1827 717733 x4580 
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Re: monitor

Dave Corbett — 2013-05-17T16:40:26

All,

We at USBank make use of IR360 - but it is a combination use for us.  We 
do not monitor the mainframe MQ environment with it (we could, but the 
mainframe group prefers to use Mainview for it)  - but we have access to 
it.  So, we use it for browsing queues, granting developer groups access 
to MQ queues (regardless of platform) and are able to restrict access 
based on userids / groups to just what any particular dev team needs, and 
dependent on the environment (Dev, QA, Prod, etc.).

The monitoring aspects of IR360 are good, but I find it much more useful 
in that we can use it to "see" our entire MQ infrastructure.  We do 
monitor and create incidents for MQ issues in the distributed environments 
(this includes Windows, Unix and Tandem).

I use this tool daily and would be lost without it - and I know that many 
dev groups find it extremely useful.  The key is in creating the 
Userid/Group security model in such a way that admin is reduced as much as 
possible (but, there is admin work involved), and still get the 
granularity of access restriction that is desired.

Thanks,
David Corbett
Work:  612-973-7086
Pager: 612-280-6307
IBM Certified Solution Designer - WebSphere MQ V7.0
IBM Certified System Administrator - WebSphere MQ V7.0



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Hi Graham. 'd suggest Infrared360. I saw ZKB speak during the IBM Impact 
conference and they say it takes them 20% of the effort to manage their 
environment with IR. 

It's a fraction of the cost to manage and supports any operating system, 
distributed or legacy. 

Any Avada IR360 users out there? You are welcome to speak up. 



On May 17, 2013, at 8:10 AM, Graham R Clark wrote:

Hi all, 

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks 

Cheers 
Graham 
  
  
Graham R Clark 
Systems Programmer (CICS, MQ and WebSphere on Z/OS) 
Infrastructure Managed Services ? Infrastructure Run 
T : +44 1827 717733 x4580
M : +44 750 234 7957
graham.r.clark-ytDomZJfsrk< at >public.gmane.org

TNT ICS Express 
TNT House, Holly Lane
Atherstone, CV9 2RY
UK
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Re: monitor

Pasha, Mir Musthafa Ali - Contractor {BIS} — 2013-05-17T15:36:43

We actually use BMC’s QPasa tool(It is currently called Performance and Availability s/w now) at my shop. It has its own pros and cons.
We have also explored IBM’s ITM/Omegamon and it looks promising, but a little bit expensive.
There is one more new player in the market called QFlex. It is an agentless monitoring tool and looks pretty promising. Worth a try.


Sincerely,
Mir Musthafa Ali Pasha
PepsiCo, Inc. | BIS
www.pepsico.com<http://www.pepsico.com>


From: Graham R Clark [mailto:graham.r.clark< at >TNT.COM]
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: monitor

Hi Tim,

We've got Sysview, but management decided that we didn't need the MQ bit. It's probably our best bet, reckon CA would let us add it on for a relatively small fee. Thought I'd check around see if there were any better offers out there.

Thanks again

Cheers

Graham





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Infrastructure Managed Services – Infrastructure Run

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M : +44 750 234 7957
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From:

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To:

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Date:

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Subject:

Re: monitor




________________________________



Hi Graham,

I would recommend Computer Associate's Sysview.  We have been using it for a few years, and it has helped me numerous times to debug issues.  In general, Sysview is a very good tool for digging into the details and giving you a lot of information, which I appreciate.

Here is an example of MQ Historical Requests data that Sysview can provide:

MQ object requests summarized by interval
MQ object requests summarized by queue manager
MQ object requests summarized by object
MQ object request detail by job

MQ job requests summarized by interval
MQ job requests summarized by job
MQ job request detail by object


I use that to drill into a batch job or CICS transaction that has run to drill into what queues it is accessing, what MQI calls have been done, and the MQI response times (you can get MQI response times on the mainframe! :-)  ).

We also use Avada's IR360, which has been helpful with mainframe MQ monitoring, as well.  The nice thing about IR360 is that it is agentless and can monitor all of your mainframe and distributed queue managers.  But if you are just focused on the mainframe, Sysview gives you more details than IR360, since it has an agent running on the mainframe system.

Tim Zielke
CICS/MQ Systems Programmer
Aon Hewitt

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Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe.

Thanks

Cheers

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2013-05-17T15:24:39

What is your overall mainframe monitor Select  something that is easily 
compatible. That was the avise I got from a Hursley IBM MQ developer years 
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Hi Graham,

we recently switched to BMC MAINVIEW , but this is 
1) a really heavyweight infrastructure monitor for ALL mainframe 
components
2) $$$ , but everything ist negotiable :-)

The monitor itself is extremely flexible without being too complicated.


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Hi all, 

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks 

Cheers 
Graham 
  
  
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Re: monitor

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Hi Graham,

we recently switched to BMC MAINVIEW , but this is
1) a really heavyweight infrastructure monitor for ALL mainframe components
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Re: monitor

Omen Blue — 2013-05-17T14:43:41

Hi Graham. 'd suggest Infrared360. I saw ZKB speak during the IBM Impact conference and they say it takes them 20% of the effort to manage their environment with IR. 

It's a fraction of the cost to manage and supports any operating system, distributed or legacy. 

Any Avada IR360 users out there? You are welcome to speak up. 



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Re: monitor

Bob Juch — 2013-05-17T13:57:35

Graham,

My favorite is Tivoli Omegamon.

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Re: monitor

Graham R Clark — 2013-05-17T13:39:56

Hi Tim,

We've got Sysview, but management decided that we didn't need the MQ bit. 
It's probably our best bet, reckon CA would let us add it on for a 
relatively small fee. Thought I'd check around see if there were any 
better offers out there.

Thanks again 

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Hi Graham,
 
I would recommend Computer Associate's Sysview.  We have been using it for 
a few years, and it has helped me numerous times to debug issues.  In 
general, Sysview is a very good tool for digging into the details and 
giving you a lot of information, which I appreciate.
 
Here is an example of MQ Historical Requests data that Sysview can 
provide:
 
MQ object requests summarized by interval 
MQ object requests summarized by queue manager 
MQ object requests summarized by object 
MQ object request detail by job 
 
MQ job requests summarized by interval 
MQ job requests summarized by job 
MQ job request detail by object 
 
 
I use that to drill into a batch job or CICS transaction that has run to 
drill into what queues it is accessing, what MQI calls have been done, and 
the MQI response times (you can get MQI response times on the mainframe! 
:-)  ).
 
We also use Avada's IR360, which has been helpful with mainframe MQ 
monitoring, as well.  The nice thing about IR360 is that it is agentless 
and can monitor all of your mainframe and distributed queue managers.  But 
if you are just focused on the mainframe, Sysview gives you more details 
than IR360, since it has an agent running on the mainframe system.
 
Tim Zielke
CICS/MQ Systems Programmer
Aon Hewitt
 
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Hi all, 

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks 

Cheers 
Graham 
  
  
Graham R Clark 
Systems Programmer (CICS, MQ and WebSphere on Z/OS) 
Infrastructure Managed Services – Infrastructure Run 
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Re: monitor

Tim Zielke — 2013-05-17T13:30:42

Hi Graham,

I would recommend Computer Associate's Sysview.  We have been using it for a few years, and it has helped me numerous times to debug issues.  In general, Sysview is a very good tool for digging into the details and giving you a lot of information, which I appreciate.

Here is an example of MQ Historical Requests data that Sysview can provide:

MQ object requests summarized by interval
MQ object requests summarized by queue manager
MQ object requests summarized by object
MQ object request detail by job

MQ job requests summarized by interval
MQ job requests summarized by job
MQ job request detail by object


I use that to drill into a batch job or CICS transaction that has run to drill into what queues it is accessing, what MQI calls have been done, and the MQI response times (you can get MQI response times on the mainframe! :-)  ).

We also use Avada's IR360, which has been helpful with mainframe MQ monitoring, as well.  The nice thing about IR360 is that it is agentless and can monitor all of your mainframe and distributed queue managers.  But if you are just focused on the mainframe, Sysview gives you more details than IR360, since it has an agent running on the mainframe system.

Tim Zielke
CICS/MQ Systems Programmer
Aon Hewitt

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Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe.

Thanks

Cheers

Graham





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Hi all,

Can anyone recommend a good monitor for MQ on the mainframe. 

Thanks

Cheers 
Graham
 
 
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Re: Alt User with Command Server?

Neil Casey — 2013-05-17T06:19:31

Have a look at this page...
http://hursleyonwmq.wordpress.com/2007/02/08/using-websphere-mq-explorer-as-a-read-only-viewer/

It is old, but still important.

Although it is about WebSphere MQ Explorer, it is really showing how to 
allow any PCF application access to the command queues with limited 
capability. MQ Explorer is just one example of a PCF based application 
accessing the command server.



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I think the OP is asking for "open" (i.e. not just mqm) authority to write
to the SYSTEM.ADMIN.COMMAND.QUEUE, but the commands contained in the PCF
messages themselves are restricted as to the identity of the user creating
that message - which is something I would be interested in too.

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Re: segmentation

Darren Douch — 2013-05-16T19:00:21

Raymond

Think I bumped into this on MQ 6... not sure about MQ7/7.1/7.5

I dont believe that MQI channels support message segmentation like inter-qmgr 
channels do.

Consequences ...
1. I think you do have to increase you maxmsgl on the mqi channels
2. even with 100mb maxmsgl and segmentation allowed on your put, you can't put a 
msg > 100mb across an MQI channel

Hopefully my memory isn't playing tricks on me...

Regards
Darren

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Re: segmentation

Bruce Lerner — 2013-05-16T14:25:06

Why are you considering message segmentation?  What issue/problem are you
addressing?

Is the qmgr maximum message length attribute too small?  Is the channel
maximum message length attribute too small?  Is the application buffer too
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Re: single (?) sided SSL and MQ

Tim Zielke — 2013-05-16T12:23:47

Hi Damian,

I would answer all your questions with no.  You can definitely have a queue manager qmgr1 that is supporting SSL channels from qmgr2 and non-SSL channels from qmgr3 and qmgr3 does not even have an SSL keystore set up.  Whether SSL is used or not is channel specific and controlled with the SSLCIPH attribute on the channel.  That is the on/off switch for whether a channel will use SSL or not.

What I was talking about below in my last post was SSLCAUTH, which is another attribute for an SSL channel and controls the behavior of what will happen when the channel end that is acting as the SSL client in the SSL handshake does not have a certificate to pass to the SSL server channel end.  If you are not familiar with the SSL handshake, the MQ manual does a good job with explaining it -> http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/wmqv7/v7r1/topic/com.ibm.mq.doc/sy10660_.htm

I hope that helps.

Thanks,
Tim  

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HI,
 Does that mean that a qmgr that has multiple connections from other qmgrs it means that all the other connecting qmgrs have to have ssl Certs? 
Otherwise all the channels will fail with SSL errors? 
You can't just say secure a single connection and leave the others unprotected? It's an all or nothing scenario?

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Re: single (?) sided SSL and MQ

Costa, D. (Damian — 2013-05-16T11:20:50

HI,
 Does that mean that a qmgr that has multiple connections from other qmgrs it means that all the other connecting qmgrs have to have ssl Certs? 
Otherwise all the channels will fail with SSL errors? 
You can't just say secure a single connection and leave the others unprotected? It's an all or nothing scenario?

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Re: Alt User with Command Server?

Don Golding — 2013-05-16T10:11:59

I think the OP is asking for "open" (i.e. not just mqm) authority to write
to the SYSTEM.ADMIN.COMMAND.QUEUE, but the commands contained in the PCF
messages themselves are restricted as to the identity of the user creating
that message - which is something I would be interested in too.

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