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A little update from Starr Labs

Harvey Starr — 2013-05-26T00:08:53

Hi All,

I thought I'd come out of the batcave with a few random updates. I've
been working my fool head off on new gear and as usual, my
communications and marketing are lacking.

Linkin Park and Maroon5 are now touring with Ztars. Bob Weir and Kesha's
band became customers last year, if you can imagine more diverse styles!
We're building an instrument for Pat Martino now, and I'm really looking
forward to that as he's one of my heroes.

We're getting into the DJ world now with a couple of Ableton
controllers. It seems that modern music creation is transforming with
the growth of clip-control and beat-sync software that easily integrates
with traditional instruments. There's a new breed of musicians don't
even play an instrument. It's a new world for an old guitar player!

The Clipper is our touch sensing MIDI guitar fingerboard with full RGB
lighting for each key. Lots of crazy lighting features in addition to
remotely running an Ableton Live session from the guitar neck with the
clip-grid lit up just as it appears on the computer screen. You can run
Ableton in one fingerboard Zone and play a separate MIDI voice in
another Zone, so you can jam on top of Ableton. This system can run
wirelessly as well, using our AirPower MIDI Wireless. BTW, you can use
the AirPower to wireless your YRG, Keytar, or any other MIDI controller.
Or send MIDI wireless to and from your computer with our new USB-MIDI
computer dongle, the AP2-stick. We have working prototypes of that and
are going into production now.

We have a brand new high-end Ztar that adds more MIDI control Pads. That
said, I'm getting burned out building full custom instruments and I'm
debating the future of that. These things are works of art and
technology but very time-consuming and expensive to build one at a time.
The instruments have been getting packed with more Pots, Pads, Ribbons,
and other sensors, accelerometers, proximity detectors, wireless, wacky
configurations of stuff with custom cosmetics.

And, while our guitar performance has no tracking issues, musically the
strings seem like training wheels for an electronic instrument. Also,
after all these years, only a few players have explored our Poly mode
which separates the Ztar from guitars and other guitar-like controllers.
As with other MIDI guitars, most players are happy to pull up a piano
patch but don't think to explore cluster voicings or try to think like
piano players, which the Poly mode affords. Oh well.

Our RC1 RockController project is in transition. I have a working
prototype and one is at a factory in China. It's a cute little guitar,
plays great and though it's small, it has a 21 fret neck, a Whammy, a
bank of MIDI Expression pads, and some gaming controls that are leftover
from the design when GuitarHero was popular. It's pricey to set up
China production and I want to be sure that we have a compelling
product. I just don't know how much people care about MIDI guitars right
now. Really.

My approach now is to build the iTar iPad guitar (we have a full working
prototype after a year and a half, 4 new circuit boards and several
major design twists and turns, while bringing online the other new
products and trying to run the rest of our custom business... I'm
toast...) as a modular system so that the fingerboard can plug into the
iTar iPad dock or the RC1 body if someone wants to go the guitar route.
Seems like a nice plan. It's ambitious but makes a lot of sense to me.
The factory is into it and my goal is to make that happen this year.

Happy picking (or tapping!) everyone!

- Harvey
Starr Labs

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RE: Re: You Rock Guitar

Peter Kulich — 2013-05-24T15:20:43

Too bad - I'm subscribed to Jan's channel because he does cool things - he
is a stickiest and can shred, bomb and explode on guitar like so many other
YouTubists but has lately embraced the ukulele and other tiny acoustics.

 

You can check his channel to see what he does - sadly not much midi guitar
stuff here, although he does layer synths with some compositions.

 

http://www.youtube.com/user/sprugian/videos?flow=grid
<http://www.youtube.com/user/sprugian/videos?flow=grid&view=0> &view=0

 

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Subject: Re: [midiguitar] Re: You Rock Guitar

 

  

"This video has been removed by the user."

bummer. I like seeing what people do with MIDI stuff. 




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Re: Re: You Rock Guitar

J B — 2013-05-24T14:18:17

"This video has been removed by the user."

bummer. I like seeing what people do with MIDI stuff. 


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Subject: RE: [midiguitar] Re: You Rock Guitar

Hmmm - not opening any wormholes, but I was surprised to hear Jan Laurentz
use one in his latest youtube upload.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFmoV3p5kY&feature=em-uploademail





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Re: Casio Midi guitar MG 510

2013-05-23T00:03:42

Take your guitar to a good (and I mean good) electronics tech and have all the caps replaced... yep, all of them.  That is the only way to get that thing playing properly like when it was built.  I have the PG380 and had only the caps that folks said to replace done some years ago.  It still had issues with dropped notes, locked notes, notes being too quiet...etc.  I then had all the caps replaced, (a lengthy and slightly expensive proposition) but it was worth it.  It now plays like it just came off the factory floor and since the new caps are high quality, it should play like this for nearly ever (or longer than I will be around).

Good luck,

Mike

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RE: Re: You Rock Guitar

Peter Kulich — 2013-05-21T19:02:11

Hmmm - not opening any wormholes, but I was surprised to hear Jan Laurentz
use one in his latest youtube upload.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwFmoV3p5kY&feature=em-uploademail





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Re: The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

merman9393 — 2013-05-19T19:34:13


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There are several posts at VGuitar forums with the results of converting the GK3. The 6 pin internal connection from hex mag to the PCB is the exact same as used on GK3, the Yamaha, and Axon. Andras Szalay, the designer of the Axon system, and also TriplePlay, had posted that the gk3 pickup could be used with the FTP controller if the sensitivity variances weren't beyond the range of the GUI's sensitivity parameters. However, a poster at that forum, "utensil", attempted the conversion, but found the sensitivity too low on the GK3. The next step would be a polyphonic op amp to boost the output.

I think I misread some information on Using Piezos with the FTP. My apologies.

Godin should be releasing their Custom Session with TriplePlay soon. It features an internal install of the hexmag, but without going into details, they are expecting to release a guitar with Custom Fishman Piezos before Winter Namm 2014. Users of the Roland GR-55 who use piezo equipped controllers are well aware of the issues inherent to piezo systems. Luckily RMC released the OPT 01 that when installed into GR-55 filters out the extraneous noise.

As I mentioned in another post however, the Virtual Guitar aspects of the VG 88/VG99 , can never be usurped by the FTP. 




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Re: The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

Leigh Smith — 2013-05-19T18:49:50

I'd be interested to hear who has attempted conversions of FTP to use existing hex magnetic pickups? I can definitely expect piezo systems to not work (that required different parameters in Axon's: a specific piezo mode, to work). If the pitch tracking is done in the FTP application software, in principle, it's possible to build a 13 pin to USB adapter that transmits the same 6 output channels. However, it's more likely the pitch tracking is done in the guitar mounted FTP unit so that the data transmitted by wireless is reduced. The PC application software is then probably simply segmenting proprietary pitch streams into notes or more likely, just cleaning up pre-segmented pitch streams per string into MIDI. Diagnosing the USB output of the FTP would show what's being sent between applica
tion and FTP USB stick.

A very good question! I have a couple of piezo equipped instruments, including a nylon string classical, that won't ever be supported by FTP or any commercial system, I expect. I'm looking to do the pitch tracking in the Mac using Pd and a new Focusrite 8 channel ADC. Running a GR-300 still requires a +/-15V Roland 24 pin system, and the VG-99 still has value and needs a 13 pin system. I don't know if FTP will be extended to bass hex pickups (like the Axon AX-103 I have on a fretless Fender jazz bass), but I doubt that will be supported.

I have a G202 that due to it's lack of decent hex fuzz (the circuit differs from the G-303/505/808) might become a test instrument to mount the FTP in the existing cavity, but I'm leaning more towards the approach of open-source, do the pitch tracking in a decent laptop solution, supply six audio channels, yourself. The FTP sounds like a fantastic system and I have a deep respect for Andres Szalay's work, but I think there will always be a mismatch between what a commercial system can profitably produce and what an individual guitarist wants. Historically, in the case of server systems, that need for technically demanding, individual solutions has ultimately been met by community based open-source (GNU,Linux,Apache,PHP,MySQL etc), and I think the same issues apply to guitar synthesis.

Each to their own, of course - it's only art :^)

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Re: Should your midi guitar controller be your regular guitar ?

merman9393 — 2013-05-19T13:46:59

Yes the FTP has worked out extremely well for me. Although Im 50 years old, I have always had an interest in computers, and kept current with tech, so It was a breeze installing all of the software, although that seems to be biggest issue with others. I'm at a loss to understand that. 

On the other hand, one of my biggest problems with the Roland system, ( other than the obvious tracking and Ghost notes), actually was the cable. Planet Waves discontinued the best 13 pin cable ever sold. They had a lifetime guarantee, I purchased 5 new units, and of the three I've used, I have replaced each three times over. I see why they got out of that market. The problem? Audio interference. I spent many hours editing out hum and interference on the normal audio signals from recordings.Seems that after a year or so's heavy use, a sheildng issue occurs. The old 24 pin cable had much better shielding but the hex pickup cables had their own issues.

It is much cheaper to just use a regular high quality guitar cable, when you have an excellent bluetooth Midi wireless system for data. 

But, I don't expect everybody to agree with me, and I appreciate other opinions. For me, the guitar to midi solution is Triple Play, but Roland still has Virtual Guitar that FTP can't touch because the FTP converts at the controller, and ONLY sends midi data, while the gk3 sends divided audio to VG 88, VG 99 etc, and does way cool stuff to actual audio signals , as well as convers to midi on some units.



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Re: Should your midi guitar controller be your regular guitar ?

Jumbicat — 2013-05-19T01:44:31

With any luck Fishman will see the market potential and pick up where
the MKII and AX-50 left off.  There's too many 13 pin systems out there and could capture that market. The wireless unit hopefully was just one of many systems to be offered. Glad to hear the FTP is working out good for you.
  
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Re: Re: The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

Tom Green — 2013-05-18T23:57:37

I sent you a private email - did you receive it?

-Tom


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Should your midi guitar controller be your regular guitar ?

merman9393 — 2013-05-18T23:33:08

I have had Guitar Synths since 1981 when I bought a Roland G 505/GR 300, and have purchased nearly every new system since right up to my purchase last month of the Fishman Triple Play. I have owned many guitars with Factory 13 pin outputs, and had internal kits installed in many also, always preferred them to the "add on" systems. I highly criticized Line 6 for not offering an "official" internal install kit, or allowing other manufacturers  to install their Variax systems, ( except Parker in a $5.000.00 guitar), as,  although their James Tyler Variax guitars are very VERY good quality instruments, I have always believed it is important to have an instrument you are comfortable with.

After playing the FTP for a month, installed on 2 pro level Ibanez Prestige Guitars, I am astounded by the accuracy, and am beginning to wonder how Roland dropped the ball. I have been on a recording Frenzy finishing many projects that had frustrated me after realizing the limitations of the so called "state of the art" GR-55, and/or my GI/20 systems. I am also frustrated that I have so much money, and effort invested into Guitars that have 13 pin systems. I doubt I will get what I should if I sell them, and I'm not hearing good reports on converting the FTP to use Piezo, or GK3 hex pickups, it works, but there are sensitivity incompatibilities. I guess I'll keep them for posterity, but I don't want to make the same mistake again by investing in an FTP equipped Godin, or fabricating an int
 ernal system for my favored Ibanez. 

What will others do with their 13 pin guitars as they migrate to the wireless Midi world?





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Re: Re: The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

David Messenger — 2013-05-18T21:13:57

Keep the Casio system, you already know how to use it and you own it now.

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Re: The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

2013-05-18T20:44:21

Edit,

It's a funny thing. For many years, I just owned the PG-380 and was
happy to use it for jazz/fusion gigs, swing jazz (bebop) gigs and such. 
Occasionally I would use it to play organ at weddings where there was no
organ. Then, in the process of acquiring the RAM cards, ROM cards and
the used VZ-10M, the Casio started to trigger sporadically.  Of course,
I had the caps on the Casio replaced with high quality caps, and it work
well again. But while in the long process of trying to figure out how to
properly use the VZ-10M, the synth output on the Casio started to get
quieter and quieter. At one point, it was so low that there was more
background noise coming out of the guitar synth section than actual
synth sounds. It still worked as a MIDI trigger, but the lowered output
on the synth actually made the guitar less attractive to me as a working
instrument, so it went into storage.

Just recently, I pulled it out of storage and had ALL the caps replaced,
and I mean all of them!  Sure enough, when I got it back it played like
new... in fact even better since I had replaced the awful locking
tremolo system with a much more user friendly locking tuners/graphite
nut/roller string tree/quality Ibanez whammy bridge system. Now the
guitar whammys in tune AND can be tuned using the high quality Planet
Waves locking tuners. Plus, the output from the synth section is strong,
clean and clear without any noise.

So I have sat here for the last 36 hours playing this thing and learning
to use the VZ10M and I have to say this is one extremely cool system! I
can make any sound I want with the VZ10M and then transfer that sound to
one of the blank RAM cards to use in the Casio PG-380.  In addition,
this thing needs no outboard equipment to do the analog to digital
conversion to MIDI, I can actually plug this directly into any MIDI
compatible computer or sound module.  Are there any other digital
guitars made that can do this?

Anyway, my point is that I am seriously doubting selling this
system/guitar now. As a compact performers system, it is very cool; you
just take the guitar and go.  No extra cables, no extra outboard A/D
MIDI conversion equipment, no extra sound modules. I can create/bring
any sounds I want internally in the guitar. And even though I rarely
play an electric these days (mostly bluegrass), who is to say I never
will?

However, this is the first I have played this guitar in years and I have
a rule that any guitar I have not played in a year needs to be sold...
[:-s]

So the original question stands. I forgot to mention that I also have an
EMU Proteus FX sound module that would be added to the package (another
512 sounds/tones)

Any thoughts?

The Holy Grail of MIDI guitar systems

2013-05-17T03:41:36

Hi all,

I have owned a Casio PG-380 for over 20 years. In those years, I have done some simple yet extremely positive modifications like the removal of the "locking nut" system and replacing it with locking tuners, roller string trees, graphite nut and a much better whammy bridge (smoother, better responsiveness, able to lock down...etc). In addition, I have had all (and I mean all) the caps replaced, including all on the motherboard, and daughter board(s).

As a result, the guitar plays better than new (did I mention that the frets are nearly brand new and have just been leveled and dressed for very low action without any dropouts).

To make matters more fun, I own three blank RAM cards and a VZ-10M so that you can make any sound you what and transfer it to the guitar. The icing on the cake is the addition of both the US and European ROM cards which add 128 sounds each (256 more sounds than the ones built in to the guitar itself).

However, in recent years, I have moved away from electric guitar to playing bluegrass practically all the time. The guitar has had nearly no play in recent years (with the exception of just getting it back from having all the caps replaced).  So I am toying with the idea of passing this one on to someone who will play the hell out of it. It plays amazing, it is nearly pristine, it sounds amazing and tracks like a dream.

What is the going rate for such a package?  As a reminder:

PG-380 with upgraded tuners, string trees, nut and whammy bridge
VZ-10M Sound production module (works perfectly but screen is beginning to fade)
3 Ram cards for storing your own sounds
1 US ROM card with 128 sounds
1 European ROM card with 128 sounds

Any ideas what I should ask?




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Re: Godin nylon multiac ACS-SA tracking/GR1

Shayne Cafferata — 2013-05-14T05:33:29

Thanks for the info Joel. 
Any tips for tweaking the sensitivity on the nylon? Is it known for not tracking as well as the steel string? I've also got my eye on a vg88(no tracking issues) and gr30(arpeggiator that sends midi)

Shayne



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Re: Axon 50 editor

2013-05-12T22:33:48

Terratec dropped axon products and support more than 2 years back. Their support was actually quite good, and they left the forum up for a long time after they stopped selling any products. I wish the forum and files were all readily available too, but can't really blame them at this point.  

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Re: Axon 50 editor

Rex — 2013-05-12T17:06:07

I bought a used Axon AX100 MKII a few months ago, I searched Axon and found the Axon forum and downloaded the AX100 PC editor, the very next day the forum disappeared!
Makes me wonder if the seller knew something before hand?  
Way back machine is useless so there is virtually no internet host of files or forums that can assist users (or late adopters) of this legacy guitar synth.

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Re: Axon 50 editor

smoovetoob — 2013-05-12T14:25:01

They never hosted previous versions, only the latest:

http://ftp.terratec.de/AXON/AXON_AX_50_USB/Update/


Don't worry, they are almost out of business.

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Re: Axon 50 editor

Jumbicat — 2013-05-12T10:34:44

Thanks for checking...That's the first website that showed promise.  But it eventually leads to the site that's been turned off.

I've never seen a blatent disreguard for end users.  They kill all the forums that had good information on it, then they kill the website that's suppose to be available.  The only site left is the ftp site which only has the latest firmware.  I don't see why they don't go ahead and kill that site too.  Why not?  

If your going to intentially pull all information on a product...not sure behind the thinking on that one.  They could of at least offered the data to someone who would be happy to host it.

For that very reason, I'll never buy a product from them.  Including the new one.

That's just wrong and bad business.


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Re: Axon 50 editor

Peter Segerholm — 2013-05-12T08:04:33

When i googled on the subject i found this.

http://terratec-axon-ax-50-usb.driver.soft32download.com/


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Axon 50 editor

Jumbicat — 2013-05-12T03:21:36

Are there any sites that host downloads for the older versions of editors for the Axons?
I have a AX-50 that when connected to a Win7 64bit machine, the usb ports are available in the dropdown menu.  But if on a XP machine, the usb ports aren't showing up.  Since they killed the only sources on the web, I'm having to ask for an alternate source.  Anyone have the XP version on the editor? And would that make any difference?  With the forums gone, a simple question like this could have been found just by doing a search.....

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