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Re: How do I undo whatever WL has done to change scroll wheel behaviour????

Randy Bush — 2012-05-21T20:15:15

scrolls window under cursor on
macosx 10.7.4
GNU Emacs 22.3.1 (i386-apple-darwin9.8.0, Carbon Version 1.6.0

randy

Re: How do I undo whatever WL has done to change scroll wheel behaviour????

Kazuhiro Ito — 2012-05-21T09:42:58

Hi,


Try the below code.  It makes that mouse wheel actions only scroll
summary buffer and keep unread state.

(eval-after-load "wl-summary"
  '(progn
     (define-key wl-summary-mode-map [mouse-4] 'mwheel-scroll)
     (define-key wl-summary-mode-map [mouse-5] 'mwheel-scroll)
     (define-key wl-summary-mode-map [S-mouse-4] 'mwheel-scroll)
     (define-key wl-summary-mode-map [S-mouse-5] 'mwheel-scroll)))


In my environment (openSUSE 11.4 with gnome and Windows 7), I think
default behavior is what you wish.

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Vitaly Mayatskikh — 2012-05-18T19:55:57

I'd go with WL.

It has awesome IMAP support, far better internals than Mew and,
especially, Gnus have (less steep learning curve for new
developers). UI in Mew and WL are alike, and from my POV are worse
than the one used in Gnus, but such is life. WL is superior for
offline usage and is very tolerant to bad uplink like GPRS.

Also this was the only one MUA, which was able to open LKML archive
with 150k+ messages in it without crashing or falling down into
infinite prostration. Best not only among Emacs-based MUAs, but also
Thunderbird, Evolution and the rest of agents I've tried some years
ago being in anguish and despair.

There's no much fuss around WL development, but what would you like to
add more to perfection? :) Well, almost. And WL is maintained to keep
working on current Emacs.

There's also quite a lot of comprehensive guides and howtos on the net
covering even not that simple setups of WL. And there's a mailing list
where you can get answers with 2 weeks lag only :)

How do I undo whatever WL has done to change scroll wheel behaviour????

Greg A. Woods — 2012-05-18T19:48:29

How do I undo whatever WL has done to change scroll wheel behaviour????

I find the weird behaviour of how WL reacts to scroll wheel input to be
not just annoying, but destructive (in the sense that if I accidentally
try to scroll with the cursor in the wrong window then dozens of unread
messages will be displayed and marked as read and there doesn't seem to
be any way to undo such an operation).

I also wish I knew how to make Emacs send scroll wheel inputs to the
window where the mouse cursor is instead of to the window where the
keyboard input goes (without having to use separate frames for every
Emacs window, that is).

Re: Template bug

Michael Welle — 2012-05-18T17:28:57

Hello,

Kazuhiro Ito wrote:
[...]
thanks, that seems to work for me.

Regards
hmw

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Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Erik Hetzner — 2012-05-11T06:24:37

At Thu, 10 May 2012 07:53:42 -1000,
Randy Bush wrote:

Hi Randy,

These are good points. I just don’t understand why tutorial authors
seem to encourage new users to fiddle with their ~/.folders file.

Everybody- I have made a few enhancements for my WL auto-config
system. Unfortunately it is based on the Mozilla auto-config settings
which are rather incomplete. However it basically works for gmail and
probably some other systems. The bootstrap method is similar to the
el-get method. Paste the following in your scratch buffer, and give it
a shot. It will prompt before it changes your customize settings or
folders.

  ;; Paste into *scratch* buffer, type C-x C-e, and answer questions.
  (url-retrieve
  "https://raw.github.com/gist/1207807/wl-auto-config.el"
   (lambda (s)
     (goto-char (point-max))
     (eval-print-last-sexp)))

I don’t know what to do with this, except perhaps link to it on
emacswiki.

best, Erik
Sent from my free software system <http://fsf.org/>.

Showing "From" in Summary Mode when I'm the Sender

Petrik Galvosas — 2012-05-11T02:15:12

Hi,

a few days ago I realised that in the summaries my name showed up, not
the recipients name anymore (I haven't touched my .wl for ages and I
do not think there was any upgrade for Gentoo recently either).

I figured that 

;; User's mail addresses.
(setq wl-user-mail-address-list
      (list (wl-address-header-extract-address wl-from)
    "address_2"
    "address_3"
    ))

stopped working


wl-from returns the right value (I think): 

having "wl-from" in a buffer and the cursor just after it C-x C-e returns:

"Petrik Galvosas <Petrik.Galvosas< at >vuw.ac.nz>"


That is as far as I got (since I have no Idea from Lisp) and I was not
able to see what wl-address-header-extract-address returns (it just
started the debugger).

However, inserting my address in plain text as:

;; User's mail addresses.
(setq wl-user-mail-address-list
      (list (wl-address-header-extract-address wl-from)
    "Petrik.Galvosas< at >vuw.ac.nz"
    "address_2"
    "address_3"
    ))

and reconstructing the summary with s all-entirely created a summary
with my name replaced by the recipient as wanted.

Just in case that is important, I have that in my .wl:

(setq wl-summary-showto-folder-regexp ".*")
(setq wl-summary-from-function 'wl-summary-default-from)
(setq wl-use-petname t)
 
It is intentionally that I replace me with the recipient in all
folders.

Does anyone know what is going on here? I use 2.15.9_pre20101102 from
portage.

Thanks Petrik

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Randy Bush — 2012-05-10T17:53:42

i edit by hand for two reasons.  first, i like emacs, and am not exited
by a new editor, which is essentially what in-wl folder list editing is.
i will do a simple m-a, but will edit .folders for any serious moving,
sorting, ...

not a chance in hell i can remember
    %mailinglist-12:corjb/clear< at >email.flobnitz.ac.uk:993!
to type it in correctly when adding a new mailbox on that server.

ymmv

randy

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Karl F — 2012-05-10T14:59:41



I edit the .folders by hand. I did run into one nasty bug/feature:

If a commended line has a space before the "#" wl crashes. 



I'm using wl through el-get. 

Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 07:29:29 -0700
From: egh< at >e6h.org
Subject: Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?
To: kgunders< at >teamcool.net
CC: wl-en< at >ml.gentei.org

At Thu, 10 May 2012 00:36:26 -0600,
Ken Gunderson wrote:
 
Hi Ken,
 
I don’t think it is unusual to take a few hours just to get started
with WL, unfortunately.
 
My advice is to never edit your ~/.folders file by hand. For some
reason many tutorials seem to suggest doing this. I don’t know
why. All the functionality is available in the WL folder manager, and
then you don’t have to worry about the syntax of the ~/.folders file.
 
M-q is emacs for wrap paragraph.
 
best, Erik

Sent from my free software system .

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Erik Hetzner — 2012-05-10T14:29:29

At Thu, 10 May 2012 00:36:26 -0600,
Ken Gunderson wrote:

Hi Ken,

I don’t think it is unusual to take a few hours just to get started
with WL, unfortunately.

My advice is to never edit your ~/.folders file by hand. For some
reason many tutorials seem to suggest doing this. I don’t know
why. All the functionality is available in the WL folder manager, and
then you don’t have to worry about the syntax of the ~/.folders file.

M-q is emacs for wrap paragraph.

best, Erik
Sent from my free software system <http://fsf.org/>.

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Ken Gunderson — 2012-05-10T06:36:26

At Wed, 09 May 2012 21:54:13 -0700,
Erik Hetzner wrote:

Hi Erik:

Good to see that life does still exist in Wanderlust :) 

I decided that Wanderlust looked to be the more featureful of the two and  decided to take it for a test drive. Took more hours than I'd want to admit just to access my one of my accounts. The docs were less than clear regarding .folders file.  At least for me. Found some example files on the 'net and as you may surmise from the headers I at least now have minimal functionality working.  Looks worthy of further exploration. Need to figure out how to wrap at 72 chars though, so pardon the long line length.

Thanks for your perspective-- Ken

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Erik Hetzner — 2012-05-10T04:54:13

At Wed, 09 May 2012 13:56:02 -0600,
Ken Gunderson wrote:

Hi Ken,

I have never used mew seriously, and have not used it for many
years. If you use IMAP, you may prefer wanderlust.

You may find configuration of WL difficult. The mailing list archives
are very helpful. You don’t need to be an elisp expert, but the
flexibility of WL can be overwhelming. I think the documentation is
pretty complete and accurate. The English terminology is different
from many other email readers, but it is mostly the same as mew.

WL is in a difficult situation with regard to maintenance at the
moment, but it is very feature complete and bugs are fixed in the
repositories found on github.

best, Erik
Sent from my free software system <http://fsf.org/>.

Re: wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Randy Bush — 2012-05-10T01:50:07

to be honest, pretty nose to nose.  but if you are newish to emacs,
wellllll .....

one is maintained by a really meticulous hacker, though he has recently
gone over to the weird side (haskell) :)

the other by a linux-philosophy mob with git and all that cruft i have
no desire to learn, and a bit of oversight from tokyo.  but i can pull a
cvs every year or two and survive.

but if you are newish to emacs, wellllll .....

i chose wanderlust because a long-term co-worker, who is a far better
elisp hacker than i, runs it and i can whine.  this was a couple of
months before i moved to tokyo and to the desk next to the author of
mew.  and now i work with the author of mutt too.  but i have not even
gotten him to move to emacs for his own use, so not much hope of mutt in
emacs.

but if you are newish to emacs, wellllll.  i guess you can kinda treat
mew or wl as a black box and just do a few setqs.  and this list does
get some tasty copy and pastes.

randy

wanderlust and mew - which might be best choice for me?

Ken Gunderson — 2012-05-09T19:56:02

Hello:

No, it's not my intention to start a religious debate. I am, however, 
having a difficult time finding much of anything about these two mua 
modes on the net.  I have used various gui clients in the past but they 
seem bent on ever increasing bloat.  Nor am I a fan of webmail. Mutt 
would be my default "go to" TUI based mua but figured I'd investigate 
mail in emacs. I need to manage multiple IMAP accounts with lots of 
folders. I store my mail server side so I can access from multiple 
machines - typically workstations with 24x7 connections. Hence offline 
imap stores, pop, maildir, usenet, etc. are pretty much not even on my 
radar. I like my mail in ascii but also need to be able to view 
html'ized nonsense and open various attachments.  My background is as a 
sysadmin rather than programmer and I don't want to have to become an 
e/lisp expert just to get my mua configured. I've also only recently 
switched to emacs so there's still a big learning curve ahead.

Mew appears to be more actively maintained and has better documentation 
but it also appears that Wanderlust may be preferred of the two. Perhaps 
because of MH support and allegedly superior IMAP support.  Such 
references are pretty dated, however, so I don't know how relevant to 
current times. Mew and Wanderlust otherwise appear to be pretty similar 
and I'd appreciate it if someone would compare and contrast their 
differences and similarities in the context of my use case.

TIA-- Ken

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Re: Template bug

Kazuhiro Ito — 2012-05-06T12:55:28

Hi,

(snip)

I think actual commit does not make WL to avoid modification of a
draft message before sending.

Cf. https://github.com/wanderlust/wanderlust/commit/c14cbb86da450737613fb3e88f71f515167d19ee#diff-1


To suppress modifications, wl-draft-config-exec-flag should be set to
nil.  But I think it woud be better that wl-template-select keeps
wl-draft-config-exec-flag's value.  Because we can adjust this
behavior by settings of wl-template-alist.  Please see the below code
and comment.

(setq wl-template-alist
      '(
("enable-wl-draft-config-exec"
 ;; In trunk, wl-draft-config-exec-flag is set to t
 ;; implicitly.  By explicit setting, value is kept after
 ;; saving and re-editing.
 (wl-draft-config-exec-flag . t)
 )
("disable-wl-draft-config-exec"
 ;; We can override implicit setting.  By adding this element
 ;; into your own template, you can suppress draft
 ;; modification before sending.
 (wl-draft-config-exec-flag . nil)
 )
))

Re: Template bug

Michael Welle — 2012-05-05T07:53:21

Hello,

David Maus wrote:
I have the same problem. I noted rules considering the to: header
field and the wl-draft-parent-folder in my wl-draft-config-alist. If I
change the template used for an email manually parameters like the
wl-smtp-posting-server are set as expected. The moment I sent the
email the templates resulting from the evaluation of w-d-c-a are
reapplied again. I use Debian's wl-beta package which, according to
the changelog, has the above patch implemented. Using the variant from
github don't change anything. I can't remember exactly, but I think
this feature worked as expected some (several, many) moons ago. So,
any hints on this?


Regards
hmw

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Re: Unsubscribe?

Adrian Owen — 2012-04-24T22:16:20

Hi,

Thanks for your help on this.  I was never able to send emails from my
main email, so I used a gmail to send to the list.  Perhaps the
unsubscribe message is also lost in the ether, explaining why I am
unable to unsubscribe.

I have tried again with my main email, sending the unsubscribe
message, but I still receive mails from the list.



Adrian

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Akihiro MOTOKI <amotoki< at >gmail.com> wrote: