gmane.linux.ubuntu.qa

Live Interview with QA Community Coordinator

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-24T14:35:41

Amber Graner is hosting a live interview with me today. If your
interested in watching the session, tune in at the links below. The
interview should be starting sometime in the next hour from receipt of
this message. If you miss it, the video will be available afterwards for
your viewing pleasure.

http://www.youtube.com/user/AmberGraner
https://plus.google.com/u/0/100254004947968890609/posts

Nicholas

What lies ahead (Plans for the Q cycle)

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-24T14:13:14

I shared some of my thoughts and goals during the meeting today, so
please do check it out:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings/QA/20120523

Despite still tying up some lose ends on planning testing for the cycle,
I wanted to share with all of you what thoughts on how we can improve
and expand on the types of testing we do as part of QA.

ISOTesting
My goal is to help ensure things are smooth before milestones, and
before isotesting events. Before we spin an iso, we want to feel good
about what's going on that iso. And we as a community can help make that
happen. Overall, I want each individual to have a lighter workload than
last cycle, despite having a similar amount of overall work we need to
achieve. To do this I'd like to help enable more people to be testing,
and to expand the 'adopt an iso' program so that folks can focus on
testing things they like and are able to test without becoming
overwhelmed or burnt out. Additionally, respins will be a continuous
focus and communication of what has changed and what needs tested will
be a priority. As a community we want to avoid doing re-work/extra work
and dedicate ourselves to performing quality testing, not merely having
a large quantity of testing.

Application Testing
Last cycle we utilized checkbox to deliver manual application tests.
During UDS, we spoke of expanding the isotracker to do our testcase
management, and thus consolidate our application testing by using the
same tool used for the isotracker to create an application tracker. This
work is on-going, but should be finished at some point during the cycle
so we can adopt it and use it. In the interim period will be continue
utilizing checkbox or doing manual testing via blogs or mailing lists, etc.

SRU Verification
SRU verification is currently a manual process with a high learning
curve and little visibility for many people. During the cycle, we hope
to help change that but also utilizing a new tracker to do SRU testing.
This testing will involve running the stable version (currently precise)
of ubuntu, but testing fixes to individual packages. This makes it a
good fit for those who aren't living on the bleeding edge but wish to
help. When this process is ironed out (sometime during the cycle) I will
contact everyone again with information on howto get involved.

General Testing (eg, Day-to-Day running of the development version)
Some good feedback was given on how to help make this better. There are
a few things we would like to do to help improve this process. First,
day to day changes should be able to be followed easier with some
proposed changes to update-manager to better display changelogs for
updated packages. I'll be detailing some information about how
'whoopsie' works and what it means to you. In addition, keeping the
development release stable at all times will continue to be a priority
for the development teams.

Calls for testing (specific feature or new features of critical package
or focused testing on a specific package)
Last cycle this typically involved me posting and laying out a basic
testplan on my blog with instructions on how to help test. This cycle,
again we hope to consolidate this onto a tracker where the tests and
results can be recorded. I will still be utilizing my blog, the
< at >ubuntutesting twitter account, this mailing list and our IRC meeting to
publicize events like this for people to get involved and contribute.
It's always fun to see new features before they come to everyone else,
and the feedback loop with the developers was welcome on both sides.

QATracker Development
With these changes to the qatracker, there is room for some folks who
know python and django to get involved and help improve the qatracker
codebase to make testing and reporting easier :-) Contact me, or simply
have a look at the code on launchpad and start hacking.
lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite
lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/drupal7-rewrite-testcase-management
lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/python-qatracker
lp:~ubuntu-qa-website-devel/ubuntu-qa-website/python-qatracker-testcase-management

Hardware Database
The idea for having a hardware database for testing is not a new one,
but work has begun anew. This is work that will go beyond this cycle,
but ideas are being explored at using ubuntu friendly and other tools to
make this a reality.

Testcases
As a testcase management system will soon be in place (hurray!), we'll
be migrating all of the testcases over to this system. That means will
have much better visibility and ease of maintenance for all of our
testcases. Cleanup and expansion of the number of testcases is
definitely a goal for the cycle, and expect to hear more about getting
involved in this area.

Whew, that's a wall of text, but I hope it helps outline what the plans
are for the cycle. Feedback appreciated and encouraged :-) Happy Testing!

Nicholas

Release Schedule

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-23T19:26:02

Look ma, we're on the release schedule!

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock

That's right, we've been assigned tasks corresponding to the milestone 
events for next cycle.

As a community, we're being asked to perform the tasks and work detailed 
community testing column. It's important we know what we're signing up 
for, so feedback is being requested now for potential issues you may 
see. Feel free to simply respond to this email with your comments and 
concerns.

Again, feedback is encouraged. The release team will finalise this 
schedule soon.
Thanks,

Nicholas

Ubuntu User Days

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-23T19:17:10

Ubuntu User days are coming up soon -- June 23rd - June 24th.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays

This is an excellent platform an opportunity for us as the QA community 
to introduce new folks to the wonderful world of testing. But we need 
some volunteers to have a session with a QA mindset. Here's some ideas 
the User Days Team has come up with, or perhaps you have something you'd 
like to present.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam/CourseSuggestions

I'd add to that list things like:

running the development version of ubuntu
using testdrive for iso and application testing


Let me know if you interested in running a session; I'd like to help 
make sure QA is well-represented. And if your nervous about doing a 
session alone, I can help :) Thanks!


Nicholas

Weekly IRC Meeting Re-Starting

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-22T12:35:06

Just a reminder (for me too!), we'll be kicking off our IRC meetings
again for QA after our hiatus for UDS.  Tomorrow, be in #ubuntu-meeting
< at > 1400 UTC and if possible, come ready to chat about your plans and
needs for the cycle. I'll do my best to cover my own work items and the
blueprints and plans outlined during UDS. Thanks everyone,

Nicholas

Presentation

Stefano Rigonat — 2012-05-17T20:05:49

Hello everyone, I'm Stefano and I’m very happy to give my contribution to the Ubuntu community. 
I hope to stay well with you.

Re: post-portem Debugging in Ubuntu

Nio Wiklund — 2012-05-12T08:57:36

I think this is a good idea, but I don't know how easy it would be to
run 'traces'. Would I (the end user) have to compile

- traces
- the code to be debugged

or would it be more or less automatic after installation?

Please describe the necessary procedure at the end user?

And also, would there be any security implications? In other words,
should it be limited to a testing platform rather than the main computer
for work or private tasks?

post-portem Debugging in Ubuntu

Yotam Rubin — 2012-05-11T13:01:15

Hi guys,

    A big QA challenge is understanding and resolving bugs that occur on
client machines. More often than not, a bug will be reported and then
closed, due to a lack of debug information or a failure to reproduce the
issue. I'd like to refer you to Traces, a tracing infrastructure for C/C++
Linux applications. Traces enables the tracing of all function calls
occurring within an application as well as provide an API for traditional,
explicit tracing. The traces are designed to have small performance
overhead, so they can be active at all times. Produced trace files are
atomic in the sense that they contain all the metadata necessary for
interpreting the trace.

What do you think about the possibility of adapting Traces into key
components of the distribution? It could be very useful to have the user
send a complete trace of a program in the event of a failure.

Anyway, here's the code:
https://github.com/yotamr/traces

Regards,
   Yotam

OpenStack testing wiki page

Jamie Strandboge — 2012-05-10T18:30:30

Hey,

It came up in the applying-ubuntu-qa-tools-and-practiced-to-upstream
session that the QA team wants to be able to test OpenStack itself.
During the last cycle I found myself having to create an OpenStack
deployment in a single VM and with the help of the Adam from the server
team, I wrote a wiki page[1] to document how I accomplished this. While
you may not be able to use this as is, I think it may provide a good
starting off point for the QA team's testing of OpenStack.

[1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/TestingOpenStack

UDS Week!

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-07T15:54:41

UDS is here, live and in living color in Oakland, California. This UDS 
is going to be filled with lots of good discussion around quality. Now 
is the time to contribute your thoughts and opinions on quality efforts. 
Do you have feedback about the calls for testing or perhaps iso testing? 
Have an idea on how to engage with more people? Do you wish QA would 
adopt a specific tool? Check out the blueprints here and plan to attend 
in person or via IRC.

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/track/qa/

If your unable to attend, please feel free to add your thoughts to the 
blueprints respective whiteboard / etherpad. When commenting, prefixing 
your name before the comment so we can attribute the contribution to you 
is helpful. For example:

[nskaggs] This is my comment.

All comments are appreciated and encouraged. Thanks for your 
participation everyone and let's have a wonderful UDS and 12.10 cycle.

Nicholas

Join Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Final Laptop Testing

Sergio Zanchetta — 2012-05-04T12:41:01

Hi all!

Precise Pangolin 12.04 LTS has been released and we ask everyone on
the QA team to
participate in the laptop testing.

The procedures for testing your laptop and reporting results are
explained on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Laptop/Procedures

Post your test results on the Laptop tracker [1] and if you find any
bug with the release, report them on Launchpad and on the tracker as
usual.

You'll require a laptop profile in order to pair results and bugs with
your hardware.
To have it, we highly recommend to first run Checkbox from your
system, then search for the corresponding profile on the Ubuntu
Friendly website [2].


Please let us know if you have any questions, we will coordinate
testing in #ubuntu-testing on freenode.


Thank you very much for your help and happy testing!


[1] http://laptop.qa.ubuntu.com/
[2] http://friendly.ubuntu.com

Re: LyX download size

Richard Heck — 2012-05-03T13:02:37

No. You only need TeX to compile the LaTeX. You can still export a LaTeX 
file from within LyX, too, if you don't have TeX installed, send it to 
someone else, whatever.

Richard

Re: Re: Re: LyX download size

Merhebi, Bob — 2012-05-03T14:44:25

On 05/03/2012 03:00 PM, ubuntu-qa-request-nLRlyDuq1AZFpShjVBNYrg< at >public.gmane.org wrote:

I'd like to apologize for the above mail. I am not sure how I sent it to
the QA mailing list instead of the LyX's.

Re: Re: LyX download size

Merhebi, Bob — 2012-05-03T08:26:49

Hello all,

On Wed, 04 Apr 2012 09:33:27 -0500, irlandes
<brucemcgovern-ihVZJaRskl1bRRN4PJnoQQ< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

I believe these are abandoned packages that are no longer required after
some upgrade to LyX or the respective packages!


On 04/07/2012 03:00 PM, C de-Avillez <hggdh2-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Well as I recall I had the recommendations turned off. Besides, I
installed LyX with synaptic.

The bug appears to have been backed up by another user.

I thought (& it is true) that a stand-alone LyX is <30MB but I wasn't
aware that the TeX packages are the Big deal!

On 04/20/2012 04:46 PM, Richard Heck wrote:

What about the math? I am writing a technical document which requires
math formulas & even physics notation -e.g; (quantum) bracket- (it's
actually a physics document for a course). I'd like to collaborate with
someone to write it & edit it. Doesn't that requires TeX?


On 04/20/2012 07:03 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Thanks Alex; I read that I could grab the local .deb files but these are
removed when I clean the system.


If you (any of you) care to guide me on how to download the packages so
I can make the install on the non-conected system, that would be greatly
appreciated; otherwise I will refer to the ubuntu forums!

Thanks all anyways

QA Weekly Meetings and UDS

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-05-02T18:24:46

Due to UDS and openweek the meeting for today and next week, May 9th is 
cancelled. So our next meeting will be Wednesday May 16th. Rather than 
meeting, I would like to invite everyone to participate in the QA UDS 
sessions. We need everyone's feedback to help us plan our work for next 
cycle. We as a community have some wonderful goals and ideas to talk 
through.

You can see the overall schedule for UDS here:

http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/

The specific QA track is outline here:
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/track/qa/

All the times listed are in PDT. If you would like to attend a session, 
but are unable due to a timezone issue, please let me know. I may be 
able to help change the session to a more convenient time. If your 
physically in or near Oakland at can attend the session/UDS in person, 
please do! Thanks everyone!


Nicholas

12.04 LTS ISO testing report

Jean-Baptiste Lallement — 2012-04-26T10:58:24

Hi everyone,

Here is the testing report for 12.04LTS images, also available on the wiki:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ReleaseReports/PreciseFinalTestReport

A big thank you to Adam Conrad, Alessio Grosso Sgarrillo, android-lee, 
AntonioAllegretti, Andy Whitcroft, Janne Jokitalo, Mahendran Kathirvel, 
Benjamin Kerensa, Carla Sella, Colin King, securitycondor, Del, 
EmmanuelLeNormand, estromsnes, seb, Fabio Marconi, FabrizioOrsini, Gema 
Gomez, Greg Faith, Tobin Davis, C de-Avillez, Jane Atkinson, J Cord, 
James Page, Jani Monoses, Jamie Strandboge, Jean-Baptiste Lallement, 
Jack Fromm, Jonathan Carter, Jonathan Riddell, Julian Olivien, Tobias 
Kotewitsch, Efren D. Montales Jr., Scott Kitterman, Smurfi, Lars Noodén, 
Erick Brunzell, Len Ovens, Elvis Slavić, Kenneth Morrow, Graham Lucking, 
Luigi Tanese, Piyush Madan, mario, Marc Deslauriers, MrCopilot, sudodus, 
Neil Oosthuizen, Nicholas Skaggs, Oliver Grawert, ojordan, Robie Basak, 
Richard Palomino, Robin Catling, James Cain, Sandeep Nayak, Sandra 
Farnedi, angel, Scott Lavender, Stéphane Graber, Mario Limonciello, 
Thomas Mashos, Unit 193, Ben Howard, Philip Muškovac, Yogesh Gupta, 
Zach, Andreas Siegert, aliencoder, Andrew McDonnell, Carlo Bottai, 
Javier P.L., John Webster, Claudio Arseni, Tom Kaltenbrunner, Nicola 
Corti, Charles Profitt, dmealo, Ben, Benoit THIBAUD, Julien Lavergne, 
Glen Ditchfield, GridCube, Haggai Eran, Ivan Frederiks, James Gifford, 
Jiří Podvolecký, Joey Romero, karl anliot, Dax Solomon Umaming, Pasi 
Lallinaho, Marco Ferretti, Michael Casadevall, Hansen, Marco Buono, 
Nikola Snele, Olivier Vermesse, Oskar Kirmis, Salvatore Palma, Paolo 
Rotolo, PMMR, Pete Graner, Sergio Zanchetta, Parameswaran Sivatharman, 
Redmar, Rohan Garg, Francesco Ruvolo, s0l1dsnak3123, Stephen V. 
Williams, Swatgoss, Tobias Kaatz, Jon Arne Westgaard, Jacek N and tim 
for testing the ISOs.

Ubuntu Open Week

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-04-24T17:34:41

Ubuntu open week is upon us! I know some of you mentioned wanting to
undertake a session in the realm of QA -- I have some ideas as well, but
I cannot attend due to being in Oakland early for UDS.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek

If anyone wishes to signup, let me know. If you are curious as to what
is involved, basically the idea is to have you present a topic and
provide your knowledge and expertise to inform others. The experience
happens in ubuntu-classroom which controls who can speak and
questions/answers.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Classroom

Let me know! There's only 4 slots left,

Nicholas

P.S. Don't forget to attend if your interested or read the logs later.
There's always something to learn and it's a good time to get your feet
wet into what is going on across ubuntu.

Participate to Ubuntu 12.04 LTS Final ISO Testing

Jean-Baptiste Lallement — 2012-04-23T12:31:34

Hi everyone!

The release of 12.04 LTS is due this week and candidate images are ready 
for testing on the ISO tracker. As usual we'll be asking everyone on the 
QA team to participate in the image testing to ensure we have good test 
coverage.

The procedures for testing ISO images and reporting results are 
explained on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures

Sync the images and post your test results on the tracker at 
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/

You'll need a Launchpad account to login on the tracker. Please register 
if you are new to this.

Please let us know if you have any questions.

We will coordinate testing in #ubuntu-testing on freenode. Please, go 
there often to see what others are testing or what needs to be tested.

Thank you very much for your help and happy testing!

Re: ISO testing - xubuntu gear icon?

Charlie Kravetz — 2012-04-20T14:11:34

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On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 23:17:47 +0930
Andrew McDonnell <bugs-RtipvN73YKbXFmdgJZ+wAtHuzzzSOjJt< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:


You are correct.

As you discovered when doing these tests, the test cases are written
for Ubuntu. Just as you never saw the HUD or Unity screens, many other
things must be mentally changed to follow the tests. Xubuntu will not
have Unity, HUD, gear icon, etc. Since the tests are written
specifically for Ubuntu, many things will have to change to test for
Xubuntu. I would suggest directing these questions to either
#xubuntu-devel on IRC or to the Xubuntu mailing list (1). The Xubuntu
developers will then be able to tell you if the assumptions are
correct. To the best of my knowledge, most of those developers do not
follow this QA mailing list.

[1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel

- -- 
Charlie Kravetz 
Linux Registered User Number 425914          [http://counter.li.org/]
Never let anyone steal your DREAM.           [http://keepingdreams.com]
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Re: ISO testing - xubuntu gear icon?

Nicholas Skaggs — 2012-04-20T14:03:03

Andrew, your correct. These tests are for the moment intentionally
generic, so they can be run on all of the flavors. This can be confusing
across flavors, since not everything looks exactly the same. Some of the
flavors teams (like lubuntu) have spoken of creating or extending the
testcases to be more useful in there specific environment -- it's
something people have thought about. With that said, I don't see harm in
updating this testcase for the moment to mention xubuntu looks
differently in that step (perhaps a footnote).


Nicholas

On 04/20/2012 09:47 AM, Andrew McDonnell wrote:

ISO testing - xubuntu gear icon?

Andrew McDonnell — 2012-04-20T13:47:47

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Hi, all

finally found a 'testing day' after a long week and it looks like Fridays are
it :-)

According to http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/DesktopLiveSession, test
case TC-DLS-002, there is a 'gear' icon in the upper right hand corner,
however I just have the word 'xubuntu' can anyone confirm the expected
appearance for this menu?

(I checked the alpha2 release and it is the same, so I am guessing this is how
xubuntu is supposed to be, and the test case is incorrect for xubuntu)

thanks,
- --Andrew


https://launchpad.net/~andymc73
http://blog.oldcomputerjunk.net
Twitter: < at >andymc73
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