gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.edubuntu

Pessulus

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-05-25T14:53:28

Hi Rudolfs

In Edubuntu, we've been following the news 
(http://tranzistors.wordpress.com/) about the Pessulus work you've been 
doing with great anticipation.

The deadline by which any software / new packages that introduce new 
features can be included into Ubuntu is on August 23rd: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule

We're wondering if you have put any thought into timelines for this 
project and whether it's likely that you'll have something ready that we 
could upload by then. There's no pressure, we're just doing our cycle 
planning and it would be nice to know.

Bug fix uploads are still available after August 23, so it's possible to 
have a beta/rc version uploaded by then and then a final release shortly 
afterwards, if necessary.

Anyway, thanks for your work, there are many people who will appreciate it!

-Jonathan

KDE Education Status in Edubuntu

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-05-25T14:26:10

Hi Everyone

For this cycle we're looking at which KDE Education packages we ship and 
whether we need to make any changes, ie: are there any major 
applications we're missing? or are there some that needs to be replaced? 
are they all available in the Ubuntu archives? We haven't done this 
exercise in a while, so this is our KDE Edu checkup that we plan to do 
at the beginning of every cycle from now on.

Here is a comparison of what we have in Edubuntu and what's available 
upstream:

== Preschool Level ==

http://edu.kde.org/applications/preschool/

PackageShipped
------------------------
BlinkenYes
KLettresNo, available in Ubuntu archives
PairsNo, unavailable in Debian and Ubuntu

== School Level ==

http://edu.kde.org/applications/school/

PackageShipped
------------------------
KAlgebraNo, available in Ubuntu archives
KalziumYes
KanagramYes
KBruchYes
KGeographyNo, available in Ubuntu archives
KHangManYes
KigYes
KitenNo, available in Ubuntu archives
KmPlotYes
KStarsNo, available in Ubuntu archives
KTouchYes
KTurtleYes
KWordQuizYes
MarbleYes
ParleyYes

== University Level ==

http://edu.kde.org/applications/university/

PackageShipped
------------------------
CantorNo, available in Ubuntu archives
RocsNo, available in Ubuntu archives
StepYes

That makes:
  * 21 programs
  * 13 of which are shipped with Edubuntu
  * 1 of which aren't packaged in Ubuntu

== Proposed change ==

  * Include the following packages:
   * Klettres: good software, we don't currently ship an equivelent
   * Pairs: New in KDE 4.9 which Kubuntu plans on packaging for 12.10, 
we are invited to assist
   * Kalgebra: We stopped shipping this in favour of geogebra, but never 
put it back when we stopped shipping geogebra by default
   * KGeography: Great software, we should ship it
   * KStars: We already ship alternatives, but I believe kstars provides 
some simplicity and speed that makes it worth while shipping anyway
  * Unsure:
   * Kiten: Japanese learning tool, might not be specific enough, takes 
18.4MB of .debs and 47.1MB of uncompressed disk space (I'd say leave it 
and feature it in Software Center instead)
   * Cantor: Provides a front-end to various mathematical back-ends 
(kalgebra, maxima, r project, sage mathematics, octave, scilab, 
qalculate) - we've always been short on university level software so 
this might be a good inclusion (although I don't know exactly how to use 
it yet, we might have to source some testers)
   * Rocs: a graph theory IDE, similar situation to cantor.

It doesn't seem worth while removing anything that we currently ship at 
this point. If you have any feedback, comments or questions, please fire 
away.

-Jonathan

Possible LDM Login bug

Matthew Armitage — 2012-04-30T21:37:31

I think I've found a bug (might actually be a feature) in LDM. I've been trying to setup a new Fat Client lab, and I've got a ltsp-server build up and running. Authentication on the fat clients with any locally defined users is working, and I setup CentrifyDC for domain authentication. Here's where it gets interesting; I can login as any domain user with a username made of letters (ex. student), but I'm unable to login with a username made of numbers (ex. 99999999). Logging in VIA ssh directly as the number accounts works.

The client's ldm.log file didn't have any hints (x session started, followed immediately by x session ended), and the auth.log on the server just says authenticated then disconnecting.

The only hint I have is that when I tried to make a local account to test my theory the adduser utility wouldn't allow me to create an all number account. This made sense when I read up on why, but I'm kind of in a bind given that every student in our organization has their student number for their username, and a wholesale change to 5000+ users isn't really in the cards.

Any ideas or local patches I can make to try and make this work?

Matthew Armitage
IT Technician
School District 72
250-830-2395

Re: The road to 12.10 and beyond

Tom Hoffman — 2012-04-27T16:56:54


Just for reference, the way the Critical Links appliance does it is to
manage users (enroll students) through SchoolTool's web interface,
which then sends messages to their proprietary event handling system
which propagates the event to the OS, Moodle, etc.

It is the message/event bus piece we need.

--Tom

Re: The road to 12.10 and beyond

David Groos — 2012-04-27T15:46:20

Congratulations and THANKS!!!


Yes.  Doing a "thought experiment"...

Here I am, presenting Edubuntu to the District IT people (where Mac and
Windows are the standard solution from classroom and administrative clients
to LAN servers to LDAP/AD authentication to Web servers).  I've just shown
a bunch of recycled desktops rapidly booting as FatClients and people are
wowed.  I demo a couple of K-12 apps and I hear a "Nice!".

A computer lab teacher asks, "how can I see what students are doing at
their computers and manage that from my computer?"  I say, "Check out
Epoptes--the Overseer!"  Another, "Nice!" from the crowd.  Then, "How can
we limit student choices of what they can access so that, if they have
proven themselves unwilling to make pro-academic choices on how they use
the computer, I can make it so they don't play this game here or go to that
game on the internet there?"  "Yes, well, I know that you can edit the
menus, pretty much, and use a proxy server plus edit the Firefox
prefs...though it isn't totally implemented... (the computer-lab teachers
glance at each other with concerned looks...)

Then someone asks, "OK, so how do we make it so that students sitting at a
FatClient can access their Home Directories running on the Building Windows
file server?"  Being prepared, I click on the link to the wiki page that
explains how to do this and say here's how! (then I notice that the
directions are partly for Hardy and partly for Lucid and quickly click off
the page...).

And someone else asks, "So how does the Users and Groups management
interface look?"  I grimace and say, "Um, yeah, darn, I'm not sitting at
the server at the moment so can't show it to you, yeah, it's a little
rough, but it works! (and hope that that one guy in the audience who knows
that I have NX access to the server at this very moment doesn't spill the
beans).

Leaving my imagination...

OK, anyway, I agree, the server issue is a huge and essential opportunity.
There is much great work that has been done!  We need to continue to build
on that and think systemically.  There are few people who are experienced
classroom teachers and experienced system administrators and experience
edubuntu developers (ok stop waving your hand Alkis ;) ) but people from
these diverse perspectives need to get together to identify what these
essential components of the educational technology system are-- that meet
the basic needs of all levels of the system--so we can create the most
powerful solution--remember the story of, "For want of a nail the kingdom
was lost <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_Want_of_a_Nail_%28proverb%29>".
We need to think of all parts of the system and different permutations in
different parts of the world. Or another metaphor where some essential part
of a complex system brings the whole thing to halt--for example a frozen
brake shoe on a car (yes this happened to me...).


== Edubuntu Community ==
That would be awesome.  And wouldn't it be cool if people could annotate
the map a bit with links and a bit of text?



Thanks for initiating this conversation

David G

Re: The road to 12.10 and beyond

Tom Hoffman — 2012-04-27T15:30:32

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
<jonathan< at >ubuntu.com> wrote:


That's certainly interesting.  The Critical Links Education Appliance

Re: The road to 12.10 and beyond

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-04-27T14:29:28

Hi Tom

On 26/04/2012 15:10, Tom Hoffman wrote:

Thanks, it's much appreciated! I haven't tried out the new Schooltool 
interface yet, but I've seen some screenshots and it looks realy slick.

On the server topic, I came across this specification this morning for 
Zentyal integration for Edubuntu:

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-edubuntu-zentyal-integration

I'm really happy for the enthusiasm and support we already have for the 
server idea, Alkis mentioned some good ideas on IRC yesterday too 
regarding how we could add on to LTSP for a disk cloning solution.

Really looking forward to seeing how it will turn out for 12.10!

-Jonathan

Re: The road to 12.10 and beyond

Tom Hoffman — 2012-04-26T19:10:47

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
<jonathan< at >ubuntu.com> wrote:


SchoolTool 2.0's new interface, released in November, has been very
well received.  The 2.1 release is in precise universe, so you can now
see it with apt-get install schooltool.

We'll be happy to participate in getting a new Edubuntu Server off the ground.

--Tom

The road to 12.10 and beyond

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-04-26T18:44:31

Hi Edubuntu Developers

Disclaimer: This is a braindump of my vision for 12.10, it's not 
official and anything is subject to change

== In preparation for UDS Q ==

With 12.04 LTS freshly out of the door and with UDS just a bit more than 
a week away, I thought I'd bring up some ideas that I've been thinking 
about the last few weeks so that it could be discussed publicly.

Edubuntu 12.04 is a fine release and our release process was smooth and 
fine-tuned. We have the process down like a smooth running engine. It's 
something that we can be proud of and it's great that we've got this far.

A few releases back I had a conversation with Jordan Mantha where he 
basically said that if we don't do big and exciting things, we won't 
ever attract new developers and community members. I think he has a good 
point. Since then we've continued to do small, incremental feature 
changes and in terms of making Edubuntu stable and more reliable, it 
worked. However, I think it's time that we grow the Edubuntu community 
more aggressively and take on some interesting, higher risk tasks.

I believe it's possible to do that without compromising stability or 
affecting Edubuntu adversely. I have two ideas that I think we could 
pursue for 12.10 as concepts that won't be part of the main Edubuntu 
product.

== Edubuntu Server ==

Around 2005/2006, in the stone age of Edubuntu, we used to have an 
Edubuntu Server product. It shipped with tools such as Schooltool and 
Moodle pre-installed. The idea was that an Edubuntu server could be a 
useful single-server solution in some educational environments. 
Unfortunately, due to a combination of web apps being a lot of work to 
maintain and very few people being able to work on it, we decided to 
drop the Edubuntu Server product to focus on the Desktop. Looking back 
it seems like this was a good choice, it allowed the project to focus on 
the Desktop aspect first.

However, we get many requests for functionality that doesn't belong in 
the desktop. We've also received some enthusiastic feedback from people 
willing to work on an Edubuntu Server product.

Common requests that could be useful for a server product include:

  * A disk cloning/storage utility (ala Clonezilla, Fog, Ghost, etc)
  * Wordpress multisite (or anything that works well for classroom blogs)
  * A Backup server (BackupPC)
  * Authentication server (basically, something that provides LDAP/AD
    functionality)

There are probably 100s of things that could be useful for an Edubuntu 
server. For 12.10 I believe that we should round up as many good ideas 
that we can get, vet them, find as many people as we can who's willing 
to work on them and integrate it for 12.10 as a technology preview.

I'd suggest doing it under a banner like "Edubuntu Labs" (almost like 
Google Labs used to do with prototype products it wanted wider testing 
for) and having a section on the website dedicated to these experimental 
features.

== Edubuntu Tablet ==

It's undeniable how big an impact tablets have in educational 
environments. Many schools are investing in buying iPads. While I admit 
that the iPad is a great device with many available applications, I do 
think that in time, we can do better. When we work in the 6 month cycle, 
there's no way we could ever release anything that can compete with the 
iPad, however, if we break it down to smaller, 6 month milestones, then 
it becomes more plausible.

I would propose that for 12.10, we choose a device (like the ASUS Eee 
pad Transformer Prime) and make Edubuntu easily installable on it and 
find a suitable UI for it (like Unity touch or KDE Plasma Active). Both 
the iPad and Android have a huge base of developers that create 
applications using web standards such as HTML, Javascript and CSS. These 
touch-based applications should be relatively easy to port over to 
Ubuntu and could be promoted using the Ubuntu App Developer 
(http://developer.ubuntu.com/) infrastructure.

For 12.10 some integration with the existing Edubuntu features could 
also be done, which includes integration with Epoptes 
(http://epoptes.org) which itself could be extended with more tablet 
features, a remote desktop client to connect to LTSP servers (possibly 
something like x2go) and so forth.

For 13.04 (after 12.10) we should have enough information of what's 
missing to make it a very reasonable tablet platform and take it from 
there, possibly making a finished release. By the next LTS (14.04) it 
could potentially be a great tablet platform.

== Edubuntu Desktop ==

Last but not least is our current, Edubuntu Desktop product. This is 
what's going to take priority and continue to exist for now as our 
flagship product.

For UDS here's a few desktop topics we could discuss:

  * Application selection
   * Tomboy or Gnote
     (we don't inherit either from Ubuntu anymore and didn't ship with
      one of those in 12.04)
   * Review KDE-Edu apps and check that we all have them
     (I believe we're missing at least 2)
   * The inclusion of electronics tools (most notably, fritzing)
   * Vym or promoting Freemind in Edubuntu via software center
     (software center isn't currently flavour aware but it's something
     we could bring up)
   * Recipy managers: krecipies, gnutrition, etc

  * Dynamic Ubiquity Slideshow
   * Show tips and tricks in slides for /only/ components that are
     chosen in the installer. For example, if LTSP or Gnome Fallback
     is chosen, display tips and tricks for those. Perhaps alternate
     slides promoting features that weren't chosen, if appropriate.

  * Educational Unity lenses
   * We should do a call for ideas for Unity lenses that may be useful
     in education, and encourage developers to develop them.

  * Authentication client
   * An installer step that allows authentication against, Samba4/AD
     and LDAP/Debian-edu/FreeIPA

== Edubuntu Community ==

  * Grow contributors and membership base.
  * Improve Edubuntu meetings (make them weekly again)
  * Get people to make more Edubuntu videos (there are already some great
    edubuntu videos on YouTube) (perhaps do a competition?)
  * Map on website with list of where schools are with some more
    information
  * Migrate Edubuntu website to Drupal 7
  * Put together a long-term Edubuntu strategy document (like Xubuntu
    did a while back)

== Proposed Blueprints ==

Many of the ideas above are old ideas, but I think the time is right to 
pursue some of them again. Please don't hesitate in joining in the 
discussion and adding your own.

For UDS Q, I propose that we create the following blueprints:

  * Edubuntu Desktop
  * Edubuntu Community
  * Edubuntu Server
  * Edubuntu Tablet

... and schedule the following 2 sessions for it:

  * Edubuntu Desktop/Community
  * Edubuntu Server/Tablet

So basically one session for the typical Edubuntu work and one for the 
higher risk prototype ideas. If there's lots of interest we could split 
it up a bit.

I'm going to end off here since I've already passed the TL;DR barrier. 
I'd really appreciate if everyone could share their thoughts and ideas. 
Edubuntu 12.10 should be fresh and exciting and I think if we bring 
enough people together, we can make it happen.

Have a good day!

-Jonathan

Edubuntu 12.04 LTS is now available

Stéphane Graber — 2012-04-26T12:04:14

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After 6 months of preparation, it's with great pride that the Edubuntu
development team announces today the release of Edubuntu 12.04 LTS.

As the first Long Term Support release of the Edubuntu project, this
version will be supported for 5 years (until April 2017).
The Edubuntu development team will also provide "point releases" in
sync with Ubuntu's to offer you new installation medias containing all
the latest bugfixes.

For this release, we focused on stability and bug fixes to deliver the
most stable and best translated Edubuntu release ever.

You can try it online: http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive
or download it: http://www.edubuntu.org/download

Additional download links in case the Edubuntu website is overloaded:
 - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
 - http://www.stgraber.org/download/releases/edubuntu/12.04/

You can learn more at: http://www.edubuntu.org/news/12.04-release

The full release notes are also available at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Edubuntu

Users of Edubuntu 11.10 can also directly upgrade to 12.04 LTS from
the update manager. Note that because of the usual release load on the
archive mirrors, it's recommended to wait a few days before upgrading.

- -- 
Stéphane Graber
Ubuntu developer
http://www.ubuntu.com
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Guillem Moyà — 2012-03-19T15:30:55

Hi friends,

recently I bought a new PCIe sata II III card for my pc ( acer X3990 )
because only has 2 sata ports.
This card is only for windows 7 and with ubuntu 11.10 and 12.04  hangs the
computer during installation.  Do you know something else?

Another problem is that the new uEFI bios sucks other operating systems, I
have a lot of problems even with ubuntu installed on other hard disk.

Any help will be apreciated,

many thanks

Re: WEB listing

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-03-19T14:31:31

Hi

Our current criteria is pretty simple. We require you to have a link 
that's somewhat Edubuntu specific. This could be a product page or an 
item page on your website offering an Edubuntu based product (such as an 
Edubuntu disc) or explaining the services that you offer.

We also reserve the right to remove the link if we feel that it's 
appropriate to do so at any time.

We require the following information:

  * Your location
  * Services or products on offer
  * The link to your Edubuntu related page

Thanks and have a good day!

-Jonathan

On 17/03/2012 09:49, WEB OFFICE Shop wrote:

(unknown)

David Ally — 2012-03-06T12:03:32

http://turkayhaber.com/vehoned44.html

Re: edubuntu-desktop-kde and storages

Valerio Pachera — 2012-02-27T20:33:37

2012/2/8 Valerio Pachera <sirio81< at >gmail.com>:

Sorry, can anybody give help?
How does usb key mount work on thin clients?

edubuntu-desktop-kde and storages

Valerio Pachera — 2012-02-08T17:31:56

Hi all, I successfuly installed edubuntu-desktop-kde after 'aptitude
safe-upgrade'.
I noticed that usb key do not get mounted in kde (ltsp client).

Is there a way to achive that?

edubuntu-desktop-kde dependences problem

Valerio Pachera — 2012-02-03T15:03:56

Hi all, I installed edubuntu 11.10 and I tried to install kde profile
but I get lot's of dependences probem.
I attached aptitde message and my sources.list (untouched).

Note: I haven't mase any aptitude safe-upgrade yet.

Fwd: Join Ubuntu Precise Alpha 2 ISO Testing

Jonathan Carter (highvoltage — 2012-01-31T11:02:16

FYI: Alpha 2 is due this week, if you have some time for testing, please 
hang out in #ubuntu-testing and help test!

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Join Ubuntu Precise Alpha 2 ISO Testing
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:48:47 +0100
From: Jean-Baptiste Lallement <jean-baptiste< at >ubuntu.com>
Reply-To: jean-baptiste< at >ubuntu.com
Organization: Ubuntu
To: ubuntu-qa< at >lists.ubuntu.com, iso-testers< at >lists.launchpad.net

Hi everyone!

Precise Alpha 2 is due this week and candidate images will start
appearing hopefully tomorrow.

As usual we'll be asking everyone on the QA team to participate in the
image testing to ensure we have good test coverage.

The procedures for testing ISO images and reporting results are
explained on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures

Test results will be tracked on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/

Please let us know if you have any questions.

We will coordinate testing in #ubuntu-testing on freenode. Please, go
there often to see what others are testing or what needs to be tested.

Thank you very much for your help and happy testing!

Re: Getting rid of python-central and python-support for 12.04

Mike Gabriel — 2012-01-27T22:19:55

Hi Scott,

On Mi 11 Jan 2012 16:41:09 CET Scott Howard wrote:


Sorry, I do not look into Edubuntu ML that often. Yes, I would like to  
have a sponsor (for Debian that is?!?).

Jakub Wilk has lately given me feedback on python-x2go (on Debian  
mentors ML), I am right now incorporating his suggestions (which all  
make sense). I will contact you once I am done with the changes.

Greets+Thanks,
Mike

R: stato aggiornamento

LucaTringali — 2012-01-16T17:00:03

I'm translating the mail, so everyone who knows the answer can reply:

"Hello, I would like to know how updated is the guide:
http://help.ubuntu-it.org/7.04/edubuntu/handbook/it/index.html
and if it works for the last version of edubuntu.
In particular, in the XDMCP part, it says that local and audio devices won't 
work, and that this will be solved in a future version of Edubuntu.
reference: (http://help.ubuntu-it.org/7.04/edubuntu/handbook/it/ltsp-client.
html)"

Personally, I was not able to use audio devices when using an LTSP classroom, 
so I think the answer to sirio81 is "no, it doesn't work". But maybe someone 
else knows the way to do this.

Luca Tringali

com/mailman/listinfo/edubuntu-devel

stato aggiornamento

Valerio Pachera — 2012-01-16T16:38:39

Salve, volevo capire quanto aggiornata è questa guida rispetto
all'ultima versione disponibile di edubuntu:
http://help.ubuntu-it.org/7.04/edubuntu/handbook/it/index.html

In particolare per alcuni punti come questo:
XDMCP
In questa modalità, i dispositivi locali e l'audio non funzioneranno.
Questo problema sarà risolto in una versione futura di Edubuntu.
(http://help.ubuntu-it.org/7.04/edubuntu/handbook/it/ltsp-client.html)