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Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Jeff Spaleta — 2008-12-02T01:14:53

2008/12/1 Paul W. Frields gmail.com>: Are you referring to this? http://jonrob.wordpress.com/2008/11/07/10-reasons-youll-love-fedora-10/ Doesn't mention artwork at all. So I'm still confused. Is it worth slogging into his article's comment section and ask for him to clarify where he got that ten item list? I'm not sure it is. -jef

Fedora distributed on public places...

Valent Turkovic — 2008-12-01T20:21:54

Hi, we would like to put Fedora in more and more hands. We have the will to do it in our home town (Osijek, Croatia) and have some spare cache to put into blank CD/DVD's and burn them. One thing we lack is some representative box to put Fedora discs into. We would like to put these Fedora boxes on public places like student cafeteria, pubs, pc hardware shops, etc... It would be nice that there would be some text on the box "It's Free - take one". I saw request for "AmbassadorKit Box " on this page: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService There are examples of Ubuntu. We would LOVE to have something similar - or even better than Ubuntu ;) Cheers, Valent.

Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-01T18:56:12

Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Robyn Bergeron — 2008-12-01T18:42:47

Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Jeff Spaleta — 2008-12-01T18:30:36

Here's my 1023-liner response: Where did he see improved artwork as a "feature"? He doesn't reference any of our own materials. I'm not sure where he's getting his 10 point featurelist from actually. It doesn't correlate with our F10 Feature wikipage nor with the release notes as far as I can see. If he's read in some of our press materials that the release thematic artwork is a "feature" that's probably something we should avoid doing. If we are going to have a featuring process, then we should try real hard to draw from that feature list in press material. But I can't find where we made that sort of oopsie. I'm not saying that artwork isn't important, in my mind our release artwork creations are akin to album cover artwork you find on really good concept albums (though that analogy maybe out-dated in the new age of digital music.) I wouldn't call the Beatle's album cover artwork "features" of the album, but at the same time I wouldn't be real thrilled if all the albums were incrementally polished version of the Abbey Road or White Album covers. I'm just saying that we should be clear and consistent about terminology. If we are going to talk about features at release time then we should try to make sure we stick to the ones that go through the feature process. And that may mean we make sure we find a way to talk about artwork as something different. It could be that we aren't talking about the artwork process enough, and people are just lumping it in with features because we haven't given them a mental framework on which to hang their opinionated window dressing about our artwork. So if the core ideal behind our artwork process is Máirín's one-liner above... that its an expression of the believe that free(libre) media content matters... how do we better communicate that in a way that doesn't get confused with our featuring process? I think we really have to find a way to ween operating system "reviewers" from talking about artwork in the same context as they talk about boot speed. The 'free media content matters' discussion is worth having.. and the ' os reviewer' soapbox stadium may not be equipped to have it. How do we get people talking about our artwork process in more useful way? People who care about supporting and creating collaborative media but don't care so much about technical bits of throwing a linux distribution together? -jef

Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Larry Cafiero — 2008-12-01T18:07:51

Re: Fedora 10 is a 10

Máirín Duffy — 2008-12-01T16:04:02

My one-liner response would be: "It's not just about *software* freedom, but using that free software to produce free media." ~m

Red Hat's Max Spevack On Defending Linux Freedom

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T15:07:18

Hi, http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/defending-the-flame-of-linux-freedom-483915 "LXF: Was it the community side or the technical side that attracted you more? MS: If I'm going to honest about myself I'd have to say that I was a decent programmer, not a superstar programmer. Even in college there were people who just loved to write code for hours and hours and hours, and those were the best programmers. I liked it and was good enough at it to get good grades, but it wasn't an all-consuming passion for me. I always kind of thought that I would be in a technical company but in a managerial, a leadership type of role, so looking back it doesn't necessarily surprise me that this is the job I've ended up in. I live in awe of our brilliant engineers and the things they can do. " Slashdot: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/23/1349227 Rahul

Review: Fedora 10

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T15:07:08

Hi, http://reddevil62-techhead.blogspot.com/2008/11/review-fedora-10.html "I am generally very impressed with F10: It is certainly a faster distribution than ever before and I appreciate the new, improved PulseAudio. More than anything, however, F10 is a distribution that just feels right, a feeling that comes from the sum of many different parts which have been well chosen, well-implemented and improved where necessary. If you are an experienced Linux user, F10 is well worth spending some time with just for its sheer rounded-out quality; new users, once they get their heads around that multimedia issue, might also find a lot to admire in this excellent release." Rahul

Fedora 10 is a 10

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T15:06:55

Hi, Apparently, artwork is considered a waste of time by this user. A response is in order. http://www.daniweb.com/blogs/entry3592.html "Ok, I think they're grasping a bit with some of those to get to 10 new and improved features but I'll allow it since Fedora 10 impressed me as much has it did. But, I won't let them get away with "prettying" features like new artwork and themes. That has nothing to do with functionality, stability, or usability. As far as I'm concerned, that stuff is a grand waste of time for a team bent on improving the operating system. Come on guys, focus here. You're trying to compete with the likes of Windows, Mac, and the other Linux distributions. You're on the right track with improved support for WebCams, video cards, and making software management easier and more intelligent--keep your eyes on the goal of making those kinds of improvements." Rahul

A Visual Desktop Tour of 10 Fedora Releases

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T11:14:24

Hi, Interesting to look back at the changes http://www.junauza.com/2008/11/visual-desktop-tour-of-10-fedora.html "A Visual Desktop Tour of 10 Fedora Releases Fedora is without doubt one of the most prolific Linux distributions around. In the span of only 5 years, the Fedora Project has already unleashed 10 major versions of Fedora. Let's take a trip down memory lane and have a visual desktop tour of this wonderful distro starting from its inaugural version that was released on November 6, 2003 until its most recent version that was out just a few days ago." Rahul

An Ubuntu User Takes Fedora 10 for a Test Drive

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T11:12:17

Hi, If someone has the time, go through this fairly detailed critical review and help point out issues or file bug reports on the user's behalf when it is possible. A good polite response would be helpful. http://linuxcanuck.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/an-ubuntu-user-takes-fedora-10-for-a-test-drive/ Rahul

What's new in Fedora 10

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T11:07:57

Hi, A detailed review of Fedora 10. This is general is referring to "setting the standard" http://www.heise-online.co.uk/open/What-s-new-in-Fedora-10--/features/112093 "Fedora 10 – version name "Cambridge" – includes state-of-the-art components and offers many new features that are likely to be incorporated into other distributions in the near future." Rahul

Fedora 10 proves infrastructure matter

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T11:05:44

Hi, http://www.linux.com/feature/154253 "Except for the codec advisor, little in Fedora 10 is radically new. However, if you imagine that means the release has nothing to offer, you are wrong. Improvements to infrastructure may not immediately capture the imagination, but fixing and streamlining subsystems and laying the groundwork for future improvements soon adds up. Users may overlook a single new feature any time they aren't using it, but basic improvements are obvious all the time, and Fedora 10 has so many that you can't help noticing the improvements constantly. Fedora 10 is the first release of any distribution in a long time that has actually felt like an upgrade to me. With more hardware detected, increased performance, and improved interfaces, Fedora 10 is an unusually strong release, with tantalizing hints of even better to come." Rahul

Proprietary Firmware and the Pursuit of a Free Kernel

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-12-01T11:04:18

Hi In Fedora 10, there is a kernel-firmware package so you can exclude *-firmware in yum.conf if you are concerned about this. The work is close to getting completed. http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/12068_3787736_1 "According to Woodhouse, such solutions are in keeping with the modern kernel practice of removing firmware from the kernel. New drivers already follow this practice, and old ones are being rewritten to follow it in what he calls largely routine "janitorial work to bring drivers up to date with how we do things these days." "There are plenty of technical reasons why it's better to do that," Woodhouse says. "It's much easier to change firmware and experiment with it, and it avoids taking up unswappable kernel memory for something which is only required occasionally." Rahul

Re: Hello to all....

susmit shannigrahi — 2008-11-30T11:34:17

2008/11/30 Naresh KN fedoraproject.org>: Hi Udit, Welcome. Nice to have you with us. Please make sure you subscribe to the fedora-india list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-india this is where we, Indian contributors discuss things. Also join us at #fedora-india on irc. Please let us know your home page url. And if you need _anything_ please drop a mail on the list. or let me know. Thanks.

Re: Hello to all....

Naresh KN — 2008-11-30T11:23:53

Hello to all....

Udit Sharma — 2008-11-30T09:02:12

Re: what is fedora?

Robyn Bergeron — 2008-11-29T17:00:03

Re: what is fedora?

Paul W. Frields — 2008-11-29T15:50:56

Re: what is fedora?

satish — 2008-11-29T05:33:27

+1 The best among the answers I have seen/read .... I have written this on my blog : http://satish.playdrupal.com/?q=what_is_fedora let me know if there is a better place to write this on (may be LWN) or please digg this : http://digg.com/linux_unix/What_is_FEDORA Thanks Satish