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Re: Unknown Horizons

Hans de Goede — 2012-05-15T21:13:19

Hi,

On 05/15/2012 09:19 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

I'm afraid I'm a very busy man too :) The best advise I can give you
is to swap reviews, simply send a mail with the title
"review swap" to the fedora-devel list and offer to other packagers
to swap a review of one of their packages with a review of
python-enet. That usually gets the job done.

Regards,

Hans
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Re: Unknown Horizons

Nelson Marques — 2012-05-15T19:19:13

Hans and all,

I've re-opened the ticket for python-enet (previously pyenet) and made
some changes, including the package name.

* http://nmarques.fedorapeople.org/packages/python-enet/

If anyone can help with the review (I know Tom is a very busy man)
would most welcome; python-enet requires also libenet (ENet) >= 1.3.3;
as I am aware Tom has updated the dependencies already for ENet.

I'm currently uploading the unknown-horizons SRPM and spec also (will
take some time since it's a fat SRPM and my home connection uplink
is... well.... slow... When it's over (20 mins or so) it will be here:

* http://nmarques.fedorapeople.org/packages/unknown-horizons/

NM





2012/5/14 Hans de Goede <hdegoede< at >redhat.com>:

Re: Unknown Horizons

Hans de Goede — 2012-05-14T07:33:58

Hi,

On 05/13/2012 08:05 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

Good News, we (Fedora) are have that patch in our packages :)

Regards,

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Re: Unknown Horizons

Nelson Marques — 2012-05-13T18:05:59

2012/5/13 Hans de Goede <hdegoede< at >redhat.com>:

http://gitorious.org/guichan/mainline/commit/90c8966f6cb153d6ab03e146d3ade33a03b94bdc

The patch was commited upstream, it's a simple 1 liner, but no release
was issued after it... So when a release happens we can drop it;
Now... I don't see why we can't add this patch.


See above. That's all you need currently.


They didn't... Which means that you might get weird artifacts on
screen. The patch was merged upstream 3 years ago, but no release was
done after if I'm not mistaken. See above.

Re: Unknown Horizons

Hans de Goede — 2012-05-13T05:44:48

Hi,

On 05/12/2012 07:15 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:
<snip>


Ok.


As long as the patch does not change the API  (extending it is ok),
then that should not be a problem.


Hmm, UTF-8 support sounds like a potential big change the guichan, we
would really prefer to see support for something like that go in through
upstream, but if that is not working out I think we can come to
another solution.


Good!


That is not necessary if the README (or some other docs) clearly
states that all resources are freely licensed and under which
license (or a list of licenses of different files have different
licenses), then we will trust upstream on that.


Great!


Sounds great!

Question, how did Debian solve the guichan issue?

Regards,

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Thanks to Martin Erik Werner for packaging Red Eclipse

Bruno Wolff III — 2012-05-12T18:00:26

Red Eclipse is available now in rawhide and will be in f17 testing
shortly (and should be in f17 updates by release). Thanks to Martin Erik Werner
for doing the work to make this happen.
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Re: Unknown Horizons

Nelson Marques — 2012-05-12T17:15:09

2012/5/12 Hans de Goede <hdegoede< at >redhat.com>:

I'm going to re-open it (the one you mentioned before) once we have
all the dependencies prepared, let go a bit further:

 1. Tom (spot) has updated the dependencies required to update ENet
(libenet), which provides the base layer for multiplayer. With ENet
updated, I can continue with my review request for 'python-enet' which
provides the python bindings used by UH for Multiplayer.

 2. FIFE - The packaging of FIFE isn't really as I would like to be.
I'm gathering soon with FIFE upstream to propose a packaging model
that upstream can support and hopefully to implement it on the next
release in Fedora (and openSUSE);

 3. Guichan - a dependency to build FIFE; This probably the only
blocker as we need to submit a patch which was previously submited to
upstream, but no action was taken on it and upstream from guichan
seems to be masturbating themselves with UTF-8 implementation over the
last 2 years but no real release was made. I'm going to propose this
patch to Fedora guichan, which I don't mind also to co-maintain. If
guichan doesn't fix this, we're (UH upstream) prepared to fork guichan
so we don't have to strugle with vendors who can distribute UH.


That's still on fedorapeople; though it needs some work as it's
probably around 1 year old. Plus the patch (to use system wide fonts,
LinLibertine and UMing) needs to be rebased against the current
release. No worries, I got all of that covered already. The only
blocker is Fedora guichan not supporting UTF8 (which is used by UH).


Fixed over a year ago. That's old information, just to be clear, if
such a problem existed UH wouldn't be distributed by Debian...


That's not a problem and we can provide written evidence for the only
file that can be dubious from the author, relicensing us (I don't
remember what that file was, but it was a sound file if I'm not
mistaken).


That stuff was already covered when that bug report was submitted ;)

This sunday we're meeting up (UH upstream) to discuss a few things.
One of our goal is that we can run exactly the same codebase and fixes
on all distributions that distribute UH; By trying to coordinate
packagers we hope to accomplish the following:

  - use the same codebase and fixes in all distros and have them synched;
  - provide package updates and version updates on the day of the
release for all distros;
  - Provide official support to the distributions which follow our
packaging model (all the others I will suggest we use upstream static
binary blobs through the loki installer, under the same model, with
the codebase synched with distros);
  - Discuss the best way to provide the correct channels for the input
received from our users and improve UH;
  - etc...

After this similiar work will be done with FIFE... For which I am just
waiting for the meeting date to be reported to me... In one way since
FIFE premier client is UH, we want people who package/work with UH
also do the FIFE work so we have stuff perfectly synched for providing
the closest experience that upstream wants to give independent of the
vendor shipping the binaries...

This might take it's time... but it's happening...

Thanks :) I'll keep people informed.

Re: Unknown Horizons

Hans de Goede — 2012-05-12T08:06:13

Hi,

On 05/11/2012 10:40 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

First of all, welcome to the Fedora Games mailinglist, and let me say that
we would love to have Unknown Horizons in Fedora.

You mentioned a review request for UH that you closed, which I indeed
found:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=718430

That review request points to this (recently fixed) FIFE bug:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=757352

But AFAIK there is no new review request for UH, did I miss it?

So the first thing to do would be to work together with Simon to create
a new review request based on the latest spec / srpm you've available for
UH.

In the FIFE bug I've read that the problem with UH is that some of
the game content files are of unclear origin, this is an absolute
blocker for getting UH into Fedora. So the first point of order
would be to make a list of all content (images, sounds, music,
level files, etc.), their origin and their license.

Any file which is either of an unknown origin / has an unknown
license, or has a license Fedora does not accept will need to either
be relicensed (requires permission of the original author), or
replaced!

This license audit (and replacing any files with issues) is by
far the biggest job that needs doing. Once that is done the
rest of the work for getting UH into Fedora will be relatively
easy :)

Regards,

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Unknown Horizons

Nelson Marques — 2012-05-11T20:40:16

Hi all,

The wishlist for GAMES SIG in Fedora contemplates Unknown Horizons
(UH); I'm a part of upstream UH and I've packaged it in the past for
Fedora and openSUSE and served it through a 3rd party repository to
both platforms.

I know that Simon was working on this since 2009, and it's not my
interest to override someone, so if Simon wants to keep on packaging
UH, it's cool with me, nevertheless I would like to be involved as
well on this so that UH can be updated in time and can be available on
Fedora on the release date. My goal is also to provide upstream
support to Fedora users, this is why it's important somehow to us that
we have some control over UH packages.

I have submited a request for UH in Fedora in the past, which I closed
later after knowing Simon was working on it; things have changed and
we (UH upstream) want to colaborate with the Fedora community to
achieve the best solution possible for Fedora users.

Another issue comes with FIFE, the engine that powers up UH; I would
like to be involved in this package also (Simon's co-maintainer ?), as
I also have good relations and would like that upstream FIFE could
support officially the Fedora platform and packages.

I look forward to get some feedback regarding FIFE and UH and to work
with GAMES Sig on Fedora to provide a kick a$$ package of UH!

NM


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Re: Fedora Games

Kévin Raymond — 2012-04-30T11:42:00

2012/4/29 Marc Joel Jamero <mail-EEY0lRWDkudQVtaNclZXq9BPR1lH4CV8< at >public.gmane.org>



Hi,

Your request is quite wide, involving design, development, simple Linux
usage…
I could point you to several resources:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/index.html
http://fedoraproject.org/get-help (see about specific mailing lists)

You would get better support by asking help for one precise task at a time
(in the right topic).
for example, installing Fedora, or installing a specific toolchain.

Best Regards,

Fedora Games

Marc Joel Jamero — 2012-04-29T17:52:24

Hi! I'm currently downloading the 3.54GB installer of Fedora. I'm a game
developer and used to be doing frameworks/games using DirectX9. Since, I do
have knowledge making games using OpenGL and doesn't want to spend a lot of
money on buying paid OS, I chose Fedora(after lots of research) to be my
development platform. It would be so kind of you to send me an offline
installer and a beginner's guide; I would appreciate it very much. I want
to master linux for game development. I'm currently doing a prototype of
the strategy game we designed(together with 2 artists). Bottom-line, I want
to master Fedora, install my needs(Drivers, IDE, OpenGL library, etc),
develop the game and release Linux and Windows versions. If some of my
words/phrases are somewhat offending or too demanding, I apologize for I'm
not that good in English.



Respectfully,

Re: Arx Libertalis

Hans de Goede — 2012-04-21T08:29:38

Hi,

On 04/20/2012 10:01 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

Packaging Arx Libertalis sounds like a good idea to me, but TBH I think
it is better suited for rpmfusion.

Regards,

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Arx Libertalis

Jason L Tibbitts III — 2012-04-20T20:01:17

I see Arx Libertalis made a stable release (1.0).  Given the
availability of the demo, I think packaging this is within (though as
usual for this kind of thing, on the edge) of what's acceptable for
Fedora.

Anyone interested in working on this?  One "problem" is that upstream
provides Fedora packages, built on the opensuse build system.  That in
itself is fine, but the packaging split is a bit weird to me, with a
metapackage and some other stuff.  Of course those packages don't
support autodownloader and don't include some upsteam-provided scripts
to operate on the actual game data, so there is some possibility for
added value.  You can see the upstream packages at
https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=arx-libertatis&project=home%3Adscharrer&repository=Fedora_16

I believe all dependencies are already in place, except for one thing
(innoextract) required to unpack the GOG release of the commercial game
in the case that someone doesn't want to install wine to run the
installer.  Everything needed for the code to build and run is already
in Fedora.

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Re: mari0

Martin Airs — 2012-04-04T17:00:35

Well LOVE has now made it official into fedora, not quite in the repo's just 
yet but its built in koji
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=13709

and its version 0.8 so mari0 runs sweet

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Re: mari0

Jason L Tibbitts III — 2012-03-30T17:03:58

JAN> Why not? Because it violates several EULA?

I'd think "Features: Complete recreation of Super Mario Brothers" would
be obvious enough, but in addition consider that Nintendo is one of the
most litigious companies in existence.

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RE: mari0

Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor — 2012-03-30T16:59:05



Please don't throw mari0 at koji. mari0 is clearly not acceptable for Fedora. (I know this thread diverged into talking about LOVE, but I just wanted to get it on the record.)

~tom

Why not? Because it violates several EULA? 

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Re: mari0

Tom Callaway — 2012-03-30T15:43:39

Please don't throw mari0 at koji. mari0 is clearly not acceptable for
Fedora. (I know this thread diverged into talking about LOVE, but I just
wanted to get it on the record.)

~tom

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OT: Re: mari0

Mangwiro, Errol — 2012-03-30T08:41:00

error: Can't LOVE without HEART

I'm using F16 64bit, I've install a myriad of -devel files to get it to work


lol Sorry about that. saw an opening. had to take it. won't do it again.

Re: mari0

Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor — 2012-03-30T04:30:45

Here's the build instructions : https://love2d.org/wiki/Building_L%C3%96VE

Re: mari0

Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor — 2012-03-30T04:21:51

Download source from here: 
https://launchpad.net/~bartbes/+archive/love-unstable/+files/love-unstable_0.8.0%7Er1033.orig.tar.gz

Re: mari0

Martin Airs — 2012-03-29T17:29:57

wow, thank you very much

would you believe it built, 
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=3943925

get the rpm from there

however mari0 require version 0.8.0 or higher, so all this was in vein, LOL

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