http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/272 <pre>Apologies for cross-postings. Kindly email this call for papers to your colleagues, faculty members and postgraduate students. CALL FOR PAPERS Canada International Conference on Education (CICE-2012), June 18-21, 2012, Guelph, Ontario, Canada (www.ciceducation.org) The CICE is an international refereed conference dedicated to the advancement of the theory and practices in education. The CICE promotes collaborative excellence between academicians and professionals from Education. The aim of CICE is to provide an opportunity for academicians and professionals from various educational fields with cross-disciplinary interests to bridge the knowledge gap, promote research esteem and the evolution of pedagogy. The CICE 2012 invites research papers that encompass conceptual analysis, design implementation and performance evaluation. All the accepted papers will appear in the proceedings and modified version of selected papers will be published in special issues peer reviewed journals. The topics in CICE-2012 include but are not confined to the following areas: *Art Education - Music Education - Writing Education - Imaginative Education - Language Education - History *Adult Education - Competitive Skills - Continuing Education - Higher Education - Vocational Education - Transferring Disciplines *Business Education - Educational Administration - Human Resource Development - Academic Advising and Counselling - Education Policy and Leadership - Industrial Cooperation   - Life-long Learning Experiences - Workplace Learning and Collaborative Learning   - Work Employability - Educational Institution Government Partnership   - Patent Registration and Technology Transfer - University Spin-Off Companies *Course Management - Accreditation and Quality Assurance - Academic Experiences and Best Practice Contributions - Copy-right   - Digital Libraries and Repositories - Digital Rights Management - Evaluation and Assessment - E-content Management and Development - Open Content - e-Portfolios - Grading Methods   - Knowledge Management - Quality processes at National and International level - Security and Data Protection - Student Selection Criteria in Interdisciplinary Studies   - User-Generated Content *Curriculum, Research and Development - Acoustics in Education Environment - APD/Listening - Counsellor Education - Courses, Tutorials and Labs - Curriculum Design - ESL/TESL *Educational Foundations - Early Childhood Education - Elementary Education - Geographical Education - Health Education - Home Education - Rural Education - Science Education - Secondary Education - Second life Educators - Social Studies Education - Special Education *Learning / Teaching Methodologies and Assessment - Simulated Communities and Online Mentoring - e-Testing and new Test Theories - Supervising and Managing Student Projects - Pedagogy Enhancement with e-Learning - Educating the Educators - Immersive Learning - Blended Learning - Computer-Aided Assessment - Metrics and Performance Measurement - Assessment Software Tools - Assessment Methods in Blended Learning Environments *Global Issues In Education and Research - Education, Research and Globalization - Barriers to Learning (ethnicity, age, psychosocial factors, ...) - Women and Minorities in Science and Technology - Indigenous and Diversity Issues - Government Policy issues - Organizational, Legal and Financial Aspects - Digital Divide - Increasing Affordability and Access to the Internet - Ethical issues in Education - Intellectual Property Rights and Plagiarism *Pedagogy - Teacher Education - Cross-disciplinary areas of Education - Educational Psychology - Education practice trends and issues - Indigenous Education - Kinesiology and Leisure Science - K12 - Life-long Learning Education - Mathematics Education - Physical Education (PE) - Reading Education - Religion and Education Studies *Research Management - Research Methodologies - Academic Research Projects - Joint-research programmes - Research on Technology in Education - Research Centres - Links between Education and Research - New Challenges in Education - ECTS experiences - The Bologna Process and its implementation - Joint-Degree Programmes - Erasmus and Exchange experiences in universities - Students and Teaching staff Exchange programmes *Ubiquitous Learning - Accessibility to Disabled Users - Animation, 3D, and Web 3D Applications - Context Dependent Learning - Distance Education - E-Learning - E-Manufacturing - Educational Technology - Educational Games and Software - Human Computer Interaction - ICT Education - Internet technologies - Learning Management Systems (LMS) - Mobile Applications and Learning (M-learning) - Multi-Virtual Environment - Standards and Interoperability - Technology Enhanced Learning - Technology Support for Pervasive Learning *Ubiquitous Computing - Videos for Learning and Educational Multimedia   - Virtual and Augmented Reality - Virtual Learning Environments (VLE) - Web 2.0, Social Networking, Blogs and Wikis - Wireless Applications *Research In Progress Important dates: Research Paper, Extended Abstract, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Submission Deadline: January 15, 2012 Notification of Paper, Extended Abstract, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Acceptance Date:  January 30, 2012 Final Paper Submission Deadline for Conference Proceedings Publication: February 10, 2012 Workshop Proposal Submission Deadline: December 15, 2011 Notification of Workshop Proposal Acceptance/Rejection: January 15, 2012 Participant(s) Registration (Open): December 1, 2011 Early Bird Registration (Authors and Participants): January 30, 2012 to March 31, 2012 Late Bird Registration (Authors only): April 1 to May 1, 2012 Late Bird Registration (Participants only): March 31 to June 1, 2012 Conference Dates: June 18-21, 2012   For further information please visit CICE-2012 at www.ciceducation.org_______________________________________________ education mailing list education&lt; at &gt;lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/education</pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2011-12-23T03:32:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/271 <pre>Apologies for cross-postings. Kindly email this call for papers to your colleagues, faculty members and postgraduate students. CALL FOR PAPERS Canada International Conference on Education (CICE-2012), June 18-21, 2012, Guelph, Ontario, Canada (www.ciceducation.org) The CICE is an international refereed conference dedicated to the advancement of the theory and practices in education. The CICE promotes collaborative excellence between academicians and professionals from Education. The aim of CICE is to provide an opportunity for academicians and professionals from various educational fields with cross-disciplinary interests to bridge the knowledge gap, promote research esteem and the evolution of pedagogy. The CICE 2012 invites research papers that encompass conceptual analysis, design implementation and performance evaluation. All the accepted papers will appear in the proceedings and modified version of selected papers will be published in special issues peer reviewed journals. The topics in CICE-2012 include but are not confined to the following areas: *Art Education - Music Education - Writing Education - Imaginative Education - Language Education - History *Adult Education - Competitive Skills - Continuing Education - Higher Education - Vocational Education - Transferring Disciplines *Business Education - Educational Administration - Human Resource Development - Academic Advising and Counselling - Education Policy and Leadership - Industrial Cooperation   - Life-long Learning Experiences - Workplace Learning and Collaborative Learning   - Work Employability - Educational Institution Government Partnership   - Patent Registration and Technology Transfer - University Spin-Off Companies *Course Management - Accreditation and Quality Assurance - Academic Experiences and Best Practice Contributions - Copy-right   - Digital Libraries and Repositories - Digital Rights Management - Evaluation and Assessment - E-content Management and Development - Open Content - e-Portfolios - Grading Methods   - Knowledge Management - Quality processes at National and International level - Security and Data Protection - Student Selection Criteria in Interdisciplinary Studies   - User-Generated Content *Curriculum, Research and Development - Acoustics in Education Environment - APD/Listening - Counsellor Education - Courses, Tutorials and Labs - Curriculum Design - ESL/TESL *Educational Foundations - Early Childhood Education - Elementary Education - Geographical Education - Health Education - Home Education - Rural Education - Science Education - Secondary Education - Second life Educators - Social Studies Education - Special Education *Learning / Teaching Methodologies and Assessment - Simulated Communities and Online Mentoring - e-Testing and new Test Theories - Supervising and Managing Student Projects - Pedagogy Enhancement with e-Learning - Educating the Educators - Immersive Learning - Blended Learning - Computer-Aided Assessment - Metrics and Performance Measurement - Assessment Software Tools - Assessment Methods in Blended Learning Environments *Global Issues In Education and Research - Education, Research and Globalization - Barriers to Learning (ethnicity, age, psychosocial factors, ...) - Women and Minorities in Science and Technology - Indigenous and Diversity Issues - Government Policy issues - Organizational, Legal and Financial Aspects - Digital Divide - Increasing Affordability and Access to the Internet - Ethical issues in Education - Intellectual Property Rights and Plagiarism *Pedagogy - Teacher Education - Cross-disciplinary areas of Education - Educational Psychology - Education practice trends and issues - Indigenous Education - Kinesiology and Leisure Science - K12 - Life-long Learning Education - Mathematics Education - Physical Education (PE) - Reading Education - Religion and Education Studies *Research Management - Research Methodologies - Academic Research Projects - Joint-research programmes - Research on Technology in Education - Research Centres - Links between Education and Research - New Challenges in Education - ECTS experiences - The Bologna Process and its implementation - Joint-Degree Programmes - Erasmus and Exchange experiences in universities - Students and Teaching staff Exchange programmes *Ubiquitous Learning - Accessibility to Disabled Users - Animation, 3D, and Web 3D Applications - Context Dependent Learning - Distance Education - E-Learning - E-Manufacturing - Educational Technology - Educational Games and Software - Human Computer Interaction - ICT Education - Internet technologies - Learning Management Systems (LMS) - Mobile Applications and Learning (M-learning) - Multi-Virtual Environment - Standards and Interoperability - Technology Enhanced Learning - Technology Support for Pervasive Learning *Ubiquitous Computing - Videos for Learning and Educational Multimedia   - Virtual and Augmented Reality - Virtual Learning Environments (VLE) - Web 2.0, Social Networking, Blogs and Wikis - Wireless Applications *Research In Progress Important dates: Research Paper, Extended Abstract, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Submission Deadline: January 15, 2012 Notification of Paper, Extended Abstract, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Acceptance Date:  January 30, 2012 Final Paper Submission Deadline for Conference Proceedings Publication: February 10, 2012 Workshop Proposal Submission Deadline: December 15, 2011 Notification of Workshop Proposal Acceptance/Rejection: January 15, 2012 Participant(s) Registration (Open): December 1, 2011 Early Bird Registration (Authors and Participants): January 30, 2012 to March 31, 2012 Late Bird Registration (Authors only): April 1 to May 1, 2012 Late Bird Registration (Participants only): March 31 to June 1, 2012 Conference Dates: June 18-21, 2012   For further information please visit CICE-2012 at www.ciceducation.org_______________________________________________ education mailing list education&lt; at &gt;lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/education</pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2011-12-23T03:30:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/270 <pre> Arun SAG wrote: I think it was replaced with the soas spin. (Sugar Desktop ) F12 spin was https://fedorahosted.org/education/browser/kickstarts/livedvd-education.ks I think it can be used (with some editing) to build a f13 or f14 Remix. Look at f12 version details: https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Education_Spin&amp;oldid=130526 Regards; Tom Gilliard satellit </pre> Thomas C Gilliard 2011-08-21T12:48:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/269 <pre>Hi, On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Thomas C Gilliard &lt; satellit-mcXVpQhkJPlAGhJDL0FuPAC/G2K4zDHf&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: Is there any reason they stopped the production? </pre> Arun SAG 2011-08-21T12:31:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/268 <pre> education-request-TuqUDEhatI4ANWPb/1PvSmm0pvjS0E/A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Education_Spin says: "The Fedora Education Spin was in development from F10 to F12 and has ceased production since then." Look at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Build_Your_Own_Remix_with_Fedora su -c 'yum install livecd-tools spin-kickstarts' I have sucessfully used livecd-tools to build a remix in f15 using the spin-kickstart file for gnome and adding &lt; at &gt;sugar-desktop to the Remix .ks This can be also done in reverse with Soas.ks with &lt; at &gt;gnome being added. Cordially; Tom Gilliard satellit on #sugar IRC freenode </pre> Thomas C Gilliard 2011-08-21T12:14:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/267 <pre>Un saludo, desde mi Android Best regards, from my Android ------------------------------------------- José David Martín Nieto Red Hat Enterprise Linux Certified Engineer (RHCE) Red Hat Enterprise Linux Certified Instructor (RHCI) Red Hat Enterprise Linux Certified Examiner (RHCX) www.essiprojects.com Plaza Prim, 4-5 Pral. 2ª Tfn. +34 977 221 182 Fax. +34 977 230 170 43001 Tarragona Avda. Diagonal 640, Planta 6 Tfn. +34 93 492 27 09 Fax +34 93 228 78 99 08017 Barcelona Public Key 2048R/0C656290 C1A0 1F64 16DC 7EA8 9C90 9D7F 3BF8 8298 0C65 6290 &lt; at &gt;pool.sks-keyservers.net </pre> David Martín 2011-08-21T12:04:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/266 <pre>Hi, My name is Arun. I maintain bunch of packages https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/users/packages/sagarun . I'd like to contribute to your efforts in creating education spin. I'd also love to know the current status of the spin. Here is some background information, Last December some of our folks from India started an effort to create a spin/remix that targets children and education https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraForKids . I was part of it. Some how we stopped working on it due to various reasons. we started a discussion about the spin very recently in fedora India list https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/india/2011-August/004796.html. We have handful of people willing to help. </pre> Arun SAG 2011-08-20T15:41:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/265 <pre>Hi fellows from education SIG, maybe anyone of you can help this guy with an installation of one specific package on the XO? Thanks is advance, any help would be very appreciated. </pre> Jesús Franco 2011-02-01T08:51:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/264 <pre>Apologies for cross-postings. Kindly email this call for papers to your colleagues, faculty members and postgraduate students. CALL FOR PAPERS Canada International Conference on Education (CICE-2011), April 4-7, 2011, Toronto, Canada (www.ciceducation.org) The CICE is an international refereed conference dedicated to the advancement of the theory and practices in education. The CICE promotes collaborative excellence between academicians and professionals from Education. The aim of CICE is to provide an opportunity for academicians and professionals from various educational fields with cross-disciplinary interests to bridge the knowledge gap, promote research esteem and the evolution of pedagogy. The CICE 2011 invites research papers that encompass conceptual analysis, design implementation and performance evaluation. All the accepted papers will appear in the proceedings and modified version of selected papers will be published in special issues peer reviewed journals. The topics in CICE-2011 include but are not confined to the following areas: *Academic Advising and Counselling *Art Education *Adult Education *APD/Listening and Acoustics in Education Environment *Business Education *Counsellor Education *Curriculum, Research and Development *Competitive Skills *Continuing Education *Distance Education *Early Childhood Education *Educational Administration *Educational Foundations *Educational Psychology *Educational Technology *Education Policy and Leadership *Elementary Education *E-Learning *E-Manufacturing *ESL/TESL *E-Society *Geographical Education *Geographic information systems *Health Education *Higher Education *History *Home Education *Human Computer Interaction *Human Resource Development *Indigenous Education *ICT Education *Internet technologies *Imaginative Education *Kinesiology &amp; Leisure Science *K12 *Language Education *Mathematics Education *Mobile Applications *Multi-Virtual Environment *Music Education *Pedagogy *Physical Education (PE) *Reading Education *Writing Education *Religion and Education Studies *Research Assessment Exercise (RAE) *Rural Education *Science Education *Secondary Education *Second life Educators *Social Studies Education *Special Education *Student Affairs *Teacher Education *Cross-disciplinary areas of Education *Ubiquitous Computing *Virtual Reality *Wireless applications *Other Areas of Education   Important Dates: *Research Paper, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Submission Deadline: December 15, 2010 *Notification of Paper, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Acceptance Date: December 28, 2010 *Final Paper Submission Deadline for Conference Proceedings Publication: March 1, 2011 *Participant(s) Registration (Open): November 20, 2010 *Author(s) Early Bird Registration Deadline: January 31, 2011 *Author(s) Late Bird Registration Deadline: March 4, 2011 *Conference Dates: April 4-7, 2011 For further information please visit CICE-2011 at www.ciceducation.org</pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2010-10-21T09:55:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/263 <pre>Apologies for cross-postings. Kindly email this call for papers to your colleagues, faculty members and postgraduate students. CALL FOR PAPERS Canada International Conference on Education (CICE-2011), April 4-7, 2011, Toronto, Canada (www.ciceducation.org) The CICE is an international refereed conference dedicated to the advancement of the theory and practices in education. The CICE promotes collaborative excellence between academicians and professionals from Education. The aim of CICE is to provide an opportunity for academicians and professionals from various educational fields with cross-disciplinary interests to bridge the knowledge gap, promote research esteem and the evolution of pedagogy. The CICE 2011 invites research papers that encompass conceptual analysis, design implementation and performance evaluation. All the accepted papers will appear in the proceedings and modified version of selected papers will be published in special issues peer reviewed journals. The topics in CICE-2011 include but are not confined to the following areas: *Academic Advising and Counselling *Art Education *Adult Education *APD/Listening and Acoustics in Education Environment *Business Education *Counsellor Education *Curriculum, Research and Development *Competitive Skills *Continuing Education *Distance Education *Early Childhood Education *Educational Administration *Educational Foundations *Educational Psychology *Educational Technology *Education Policy and Leadership *Elementary Education *E-Learning *E-Manufacturing *ESL/TESL *E-Society *Geographical Education *Geographic information systems *Health Education *Higher Education *History *Home Education *Human Computer Interaction *Human Resource Development *Indigenous Education *ICT Education *Internet technologies *Imaginative Education *Kinesiology &amp; Leisure Science *K12 *Language Education *Mathematics Education *Mobile Applications *Multi-Virtual Environment *Music Education *Pedagogy *Physical Education (PE) *Reading Education *Writing Education *Religion and Education Studies *Research Assessment Exercise (RAE) *Rural Education *Science Education *Secondary Education *Second life Educators *Social Studies Education *Special Education *Student Affairs *Teacher Education *Cross-disciplinary areas of Education *Ubiquitous Computing *Virtual Reality *Wireless applications *Other Areas of Education   Important Dates: *Research Paper, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Submission Deadline: December 15, 2010 *Notification of Paper, Case Study, Work in Progress and Report Acceptance Date: December 28, 2010 *Final Paper Submission Deadline for Conference Proceedings Publication: March 1, 2011 *Participant(s) Registration (Open): November 20, 2010 *Author(s) Early Bird Registration Deadline: January 31, 2011 *Author(s) Late Bird Registration Deadline: March 4, 2011 *Conference Dates: April 4-7, 2011 For further information please visit CICE-2011 at www.ciceducation.org  </pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2010-10-21T09:54:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/264 <pre></pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2010-10-21T09:55:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/263 <pre></pre> Galyna Akmayeva 2010-10-21T09:54:06 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/257 <pre> Mel Chua wrote: Fix the autojoin checkbox on right click of IRC tabs, so it remembers joined channels on next start up? Tom Gilliard </pre> Thomas C Gilliard 2010-06-09T19:11:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/256 <pre>Mirabelles have arrived! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/enil/3892066169/) I am proud to announce the availability of Sugar on a Stick v.3, code-named Mirabelle. More information about Sugar on a Stick, including download and installation details, are available at http://spins.fedoraproject.org/soas/. Changes in Sugar on a Stick since the last release (v.2 Blueberry): Sugar version 0.88. The most recent release of the Sugar Learning Platform features support for 3G connections, increased accessibility, and better integration with our Activity Portal (http://activities.sugarlabs.org) allowing students and teachers to update their sticks with additional Activities. More information about the 0.88 release of Sugar is available at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.88/Notes. Customize your own remix of Sugar on a Stick. You'll notice that v.3 Mirabelle has a smaller Activity selection than its predecessors, Blueberry and Strawberry. We realized we'll never be able to create an Activity selection suitable for all deployments - instead, we've chosen to include and support a core set of basic, teacher-tested Activities in the default image, and invite deployments to use this as a base on which to build a customized Activity selection for their classrooms. Instructions on how to do this are available at http://download.sugarlabs.org/soas/docs/customization-guide/. Sugar on a Stick is now a Fedora Spin. After two prior releases of being based on the Fedora distribution, Sugar on a Stick has recognized by the Fedora Project as an official Spin. This ties us more closely to Fedora's release cycle and gives us resources from their engineering and marketing teams, which extends the reach of Sugar on a Stick and makes the project itself more sustainable. In exchange, users of Fedora have access to an easily deployable implementation of the Sugar Platform; it's a great example of a mutually beneficial upstream - downstream relationship. The biggest difference in v.3 of Sugar on a Stick has been in its release processes and engineering sustainability; it's now much easier for new contributors to get involved. We continue to move towards our long-term vision of bringing stability and deployability to Sugar's personalized learning environment, and invite all interested parties to join us. If you'd like to contribute to the next version, due for release in early November, join us at our Contributors Portal at http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick. All types of contributions are welcome, from the technical to the pedagogical, and we're happy to teach what we know and learn what you have to share. Thank you especially to the Sugar on a Stick team and all the people involved for their awesome work on this release! Sebastian Dziallas Sugar on a Stick Project Lead </pre> Sebastian Dziallas 2010-05-26T02:01:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/255 <pre>Hi all, as you may have noticed, there are a couple of changes coming to Sugar on a Stick to keep the whole project sustainable. In the upcoming month, from March 28 (I'll be off starting Sunday night) to May 7, my ability to devote time to the project will cease. I have to prepare for my major A-level exams; more importantly, I have to secure a significant amount of funding in order to be able to attend college later this fall. (If you're interested in helping, see http://sdziallas.com/blog/sebastian/2010/03/sebastian-needs-100k.html for more details - any advice would be appreciated.) This does not affect the release date. Sugar on a Stick will be released as a spin through Fedora's release engineering process on May 11. We are bound to this date and will have a working release in time. The general release schedule including all relevant policies is available here [1]. Nightly builds are also available [2] (and will contain a fixed IRC activity within a couple of days, as soon as [3] has been pushed to stable). Activity authors are also advised that the final freeze date for package updates is April 27, so make sure to get fixes pushed well in advance to give package maintainers and the update system time to process. Peter Robinson has kindly agreed to act in case something is needed. Please make sure to post to the appropriate lists, though, so that everybody is in the loop. Finally, please file bugs at bugs.sugarlabs.org as explained in [4] to save all of us time. Thanks, --Sebastian [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/13/Schedule [2] http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/ [3] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/sugar-xoirc-6-4.fc13 [4] http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugar_on_a_Stick/Getting_Involved </pre> Sebastian Dziallas 2010-03-26T15:04:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/254 <pre>FYI, these were the notes from last Monday's Board Strategic Working Group meeting, where your responses to the Board's questions were noted and discussed. From this, there are several specific actions we would like to see taken: # the problems hampering Spins due to long GNOME dependency chain requirements has a ticket open for FESCo to discuss. https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 # hosting space for Spins for direct http downloads will be made available by Infrastructure. Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/RFR # being able to offer AutoQA individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project. This is highly dependent on Spins owners contributing to the QA methodologies and even direct test efforts - QA is already feeling overwhelmed, and we need to scale this process out across more volunteers. # banners on get.fp.o -&gt; spins.fp.o https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16 People with web site building experience are asked to participate in the websites team to remove "waiting on someone who can" as a possible bottleneck. I thank you all for your valuable input and continuing contributions to Fedora. Thanks, Matt ----- Forwarded message from John Poelstra &lt;poelstra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; ----- Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:17:37 -0800 From: John Poelstra &lt;poelstra-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To: advisory-board-TuqUDEhatI4ANWPb/1PvSmm0pvjS0E/A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Subject: Board SWG Meeting 2010-03-01 Recap User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1.7) Gecko/20100120 Fedora/3.0.1-1.fc12 Thunderbird/3.0.1 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-03-01 == Roll Call == * Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Chris Tyler, Mike McGrath, Colin Walters, Matt Domsch * Notes from last meeting: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_strategic_working_group_2010-02-22 == Spins Work == * Background: ** Matt and Colin have been collecting feedback to questions asked ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_TargetAudience ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Walters/SpinsSigsRemixes_ChangeDistribution ** http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2010-February/000996.html ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mdomsch/SWG_Spins * Each spin producing group does believe they can and should define a target audience * John: would it help clarify our message to refer to the live gnome desktop as the ''default offering'' rather than referring to it as a spin? ** Paul: Spins were initially conceived as a range of things the community can produce that are alternatives to what we feel must be created, or add-ons that narrowly focus on special use cases * Matt: Rel-eng sits in the middle of the spin creation process right now -- a couple communication breakdowns have happened over time, sometimes spin producers didn't know their spin was being built ** Matt: semi-OT -- at some point need to reconsider the question of who builds the spins. Does it always have to be Release Engineering? ** Paul: more narrowly aimed spins (FEL, Games, ...) seem to nail their use cases quite well * Top of mind problem seems to be some dependency chains (system-config-keyboard), whether or not that is the most serious problem or not isn't clear * '''PAIN POINT IDENTIFIED''': Dependency chain requirements cause alternate desktop spins to still pull in a large portion of the GNOME stack. ** '''NEXT STEPS''': Mike will file ticket with FESCo requesting they look at dependency chain requirements. This could be a Fedora Engineering Services task. ** Colin willing to look at helping with dependency chain issues ** ''TICKET''': https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 * '''NON PAIN POINT''': Spins SIG does feel that resolution processes have been working well when they're needed. * Resources: ** Infrastructure now has the ability to host additional content, including spins. This has been a long time incoming, and needs to be implemented and announced, but the capacity is there now. ** Ambassadors who want to pass out specific spins can make requests for monetary resources to CommArch, to be evaluated in the scope of media requests and budget. *** The Board is not taking a stance on what medias should be produced for any particular event. * Not sure what to do with feedback from survey work that showed that some people don't want the board to help or ask questions about how they can help === Next Steps &amp; Positive Outcomes === # dependency chain requirements #* https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/345 # hosting space for Spins #* Each spin should file a request for space with infrastructure # (tentative) being able to offer AutoQA #* individual Spins should get involved with QA Team to ensure their needs are addressed as well as those of the rest of the Project. # banners on get.fp.o #* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-websites/ticket/16 # Update wiki pages for information collected == Default Offering == * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Current_default_offering * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Different_default_offering * Give feedback to Paul by tomorrow, 2010-03-02 * Paul will send to Board for approval on 2010-03-02 == Topics and plan for next meeting == * John/Chris will take up topic of "What is a target audience?" * Meet next week, 2010-03-08 at 20:00 UTC (3:00pm EST/12:00pm PST) _______________________________________________ advisory-board mailing list advisory-board-TuqUDEhatI4ANWPb/1PvSmm0pvjS0E/A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/advisory-board ----- End forwarded message ----- </pre> Matt Domsch 2010-03-04T21:22:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/253 <pre>These questions were originally posted to the Spins SIG a couple weeks ago. At the following SIG meeting, members suggested that these questions would be better posed to the individual spin owners, or teams that are working on the spins, in addition to the SIG. I have collected the mailing lists and individual spin owner names for all spins, current or historical, and included you in this mail. As a Fedora contributor with specific interest in using Spins as a method to reach specific audiences or cater to specific use cases, you are uniquely qualified to answer these questions. Your time to thoughtfully answer is appreciated. As you may be aware, the Fedora Project Board is trying to set a more clear vision for what Fedora is, and should be going forward. One aspect of this conversation is Fedora's target audience. As Spins and Remixes specifically seek to use Fedora to reach a particular audience or cater to specific use cases, we seek your input to help guide our thinking. Your responses to these questions would be appreciated. Fellow Board member Colin Walters and I have agreed to poll the Spins and report back to the Strategic Working Group and the Board as a whole. Board-level Question: Can Spins/SIGS or Fedora remixes define their own target audience? Background The Board has been working on defining a target audience for Fedora. In response to this, some people feel that Fedora should allow sub-groups to define their own target audience. Or even more strongly that Spins/SIGs should be the only groups defining target audience; in other words, the Board should not be defining one. An example mail supporting this position is this mail from Toshio [1]. However, the potential conflict between a Board target audience and a SIG target audience is still theoretical. No SIG appears to have explicitly disagreed with the "working" target audience proposal. Possible Solutions 1. Board sets target audience broadly, spins tailor to a subset thereof. 2. Board sets target audience broadly, spins tailor to either a subset thereof, or to additional audiences outside that scope so long as there are no conflicts. 3. Board does not set target audience, leaves it to each Spin to set their specific target audience. 1. requires spins to be much more than consumers of Fedora content. 2. audience of some spins may overlap. That's OK. 3. audience of some spins may technically conflict. How to resolve conflicts? Spins -&gt; FESCo -&gt; Board. As members contributing to Spins, how do you view the above, and how would you like to see Spins interact with the larger Project with respect to defining target audiences? Board-level Question: Can Spins/SIGS or Fedora remixes change the code enough to meet their goals? Background In the present situation, Spins must take all of their content from the official Fedora repositories. Remixes may take content from wherever, and modify as they see fit, but may not use the primary Fedora trademarks. Questions for Spins and the Spins SIG Given the present situation: 1. Has any Spin found the present situation unduly restrictive? 1. If so, how specifically? 2. Has any Spin found they cannot address their target audience properly? 1. If so, in what way? 2. Is the root problem that all packages must be in the official repositories? 3. How are you addressing this today? 4. How would you like to address this in the future? 5. Are the resources you would need readily available? 1. If not, what would you need to properly address this? 6. Is the transition from "Spin" to "Remix" onerous? 1. If so, what can be done to make it less so? [1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/advisory-board/2009-October/007430.html Thanks, Matt &amp; Colin </pre> Matt Domsch 2010-02-25T05:38:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/252 <pre>Here's your chance! Join us for the upcoming weekly Fedora Sugar meetings in #fedora-olpc starting tomorrow, Dec 31 on 1500 UTC [1]. We're going to talk about packaging (especially Sugar Activities) and all kinds of stuff that helps us making the F13 Sugar experience better. You don't know how to package things for Fedora? Don't worry, we've a Fedora Classroom session coming up on Jan 6 - more details here [2]. --Sebastian [1] http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=12&amp;day=31&amp;year=2009&amp;hour=15&amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=0 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom#Upcoming_Classes </pre> Sebastian Dziallas 2009-12-30T12:24:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/251 <pre> Just to follow up... I tag teamed with Seb have python-couchdb through review.... and my other bug got fixed for python-distutils-extras. Talked to Jono Lernid 0.4 should have the hardcoded Ubuntu configs moved into a config file that we can easily replace. Are there any other package reviews for deps for Lernid 0.3? I'd like to get everything through review before I leave for the deep deep south so that Seb or Chris can get Lernid 0.4 up and running for us to use as quickly as possible after Christmas. -jef </pre> Jeff Spaleta 2009-12-18T02:48:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/250 <pre> That's the impression I had gotten. Not sure what would be exactly reasonable at this point. But I suppose we might not want an Ubuntu-branded application showing Ubuntu-related events in Fedora. --Sebastian </pre> Sebastian Dziallas 2009-12-10T19:48:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education/249 <pre> Yaaaay! :) Mel, thanks for the heads-up and Christoph, thanks for taking on this one! --Sebastian </pre> Sebastian Dziallas 2009-12-10T19:47:01 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.education