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FUDCon F11 Boston

Paul W. Frields — 2008-12-01T17:19:10

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Fedora Board IRC meeting 1900 UTC 2008-12-02

Paul Frields — 2008-11-27T18:39:11

The Board is holding its monthly public meeting on Tuesday, 2 December 2008, at 1900 UTC on IRC Freenode. The Board has settled on a schedule that puts these public IRC meetings on the first Tuesday of each month. Therefore, the next following public meeting will be on 6 January 2008. For these meetings, the public is invited to do the following: * Join #fedora-board-meeting to see the Board's conversation. This channel is read-only for non-Board members. * Join #fedora-board-public to discuss topics and post questions. This channel is read/write for everyone. The moderator will direct questions from the #fedora-board-public channel to the Board members at #fedora-board-meeting. This should limit confusion and ensure our logs are useful to everyone. We look forward to seeing you at the meeting. Paul

Election Town Halls

Matt Domsch — 2008-11-24T17:16:32

When setting up the upcoming elections, based on participant requests, I announced we would have some IRC Town Halls, for each of the groups being elected, between Thursday December 4 and Saturday December 6. I'd like to propose each group have at least one, and if the group so wishes, two, such town halls. If two, schedule them at somewhat opposite times of day to allow greatest community participation in at least one. Schedule: non-overlapping, first-come-first-serve by the groups. I've put up a placeholder schedule for the Board town halls, subject to revision based on availability of the nominees. Committee chairs: please discuss with your nominees the best times they are available, and schedule on the wiki page [1] accordingly. Moderators: consider this a call for moderators. If you would like to moderate one or more sessions, please contact me directly. Moderators will take questions from the -public IRC channel, ask them in the -townhall channel, and try to keep the conversations on topic. I've set up two IRC rooms on FreeNode: #fedora-townhall - moderator and those running for election may speak, anyone else can read. #fedora-townhall-public - anyone can speak. Questions asked here may be presented by the moderator in #fedora-townhall. Comments? (all current nominees have been bcc'd) Thanks, Matt [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Elections

Re: Info labels freemedia?

Paul W. Frields — 2008-11-23T21:34:45

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Info labels freemedia?

Frank Murphy — 2008-11-23T16:01:51

Hi, Wondering what the fab position in getting some labels made locally, for my discs sent out as part of the freemedia program. Nothing fanciful, info purposes only eg. ------------------------------------------------------- Fedora Free Media Program http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Distribution/FreeMedia ------------------------------------------------------- Which could be stuck on the address face of the package\envelope. The legal notice from here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArt could be applied\printed to media as supplied from art-group art. Frank

Re: Fedora 10 GA Release Planning Meeting

Paul W. Frields — 2008-11-21T13:00:20

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Re: Fedora 10 GA Release Planning Meeting

Max Spevack — 2008-11-21T07:02:42

For example, the long-standing precedent of getting the gold ISO to the CD production company the moment it is finalized, so that we have actual Fedora CDs that we can get to our Ambassadors ASAP. In the case of Fedora 10 and North America, the CD mass-production is being handled by Clint Savage, and the bill has been pre-payed to ensure that it went into our Q3 budget and the moment the company gets the gold bits and the F10 disc and sleeve artwork, they will begin production. --Max

Re: Fedora IRC Board Meeting Recap 2008-11-18

Karsten 'quaid' Wade — 2008-11-20T16:31:49

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Re: Fedora 10 GA Release Planning Meeting

Karsten 'quaid' Wade — 2008-11-20T16:13:27

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Re: Fedora IRC Board Meeting Recap 2008-11-18

Paul W. Frields — 2008-11-20T04:06:05

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Re: Fedora IRC Board Meeting Recap 2008-11-18

John Poelstra — 2008-11-19T20:22:04

If someone has a log from yesterday (preferably irsii) and can send it to me, I'll post it. Great idea You're welcome. John

Fedora 10 GA Release Planning Meeting

John Poelstra — 2008-11-19T20:02:15

2008-11-19 Invitees: Spot Callaway -- Fedora Engineering manager (present) Máirín Duffy -- Art (covered by Ricky) Dimitris Glezos -- Translation (regrets) Paul Frields -- Fedora Project Leader (present) Jesse Keating -- Release Engineering (present) Mike McGrath -- Infrastructure (present) Bill Nottingham -- Development/FESCo (present) John Poelstra -- Organizer (present) Jonathan Roberts -- Marketing Max Spevack -- Ambassadors (covered by Karsten) Karsten Wade -- Documentation (present) Will Woods -- Quality Assurance (present) Ricky Zhou -- Websites (present) Things that we want to do better based on experience of Preview Release --typo in mirror manager link --do a manual click through of web pages --Matt Domsch handled processes before, but he was unavailable --process is documented now so others will know what to do --better coordination of release day announcement Mike McGrath --ready to go --https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/report/9 Karsten (representing Documentation and Ambassadors) --would it be possible to get bits to ambassadors early for release parties? --release notes final package went in --translation of top 20 languages are more than 75% done --most translation for any release date --every team should be reviewing the release notes to make sure everything is there that should be --can get changes into zero-day update so there is still a little time Will Woods --RC is on the way and focused on install testing and collecting things to put on common bugs page --flip the release note flag for individual bugs if you believe a release note should be added Jesse Keating --liveimages are available on alt.fedoraproject.org --starting mash process and hope to have bits up --please review list of tickets to make sure nothing has been missed https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/query?status=new&status=assigned&status=reopened&milestone=Fedora+10+Final Bill Nottingham --blocker list is clean --we cannot say for sure at this point that we will not slip, but overall things look okay Ricky Zhou (representing Web and Art) --translations coming in a little slowly, but hopefully will be done in time --banners coming along --would love help testing website updates http://publictest15.fedoraproject.org/fedora Spot Callaway --doing hands-on live installs on in Westford on a variety of machines

Re: Fedora IRC Board Meeting Recap 2008-11-18

Kevin Fenzi — 2008-11-19T17:55:22

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Fedora IRC Board Meeting Recap 2008-11-18

John Poelstra — 2008-11-19T17:42:28

Recap and full IRC transcript found here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-11-18 * Public IRC Meeting == Topics Discussed == * With the announcement of a Fedora Server special interest group (SIG), Will Fedora have a server release? * What about a searchable Fedora knowledge base? * What progress is being made on the Fedora 11 and Fedora 12 schedule discussion? * What about creating a history of past release schedules? == IRC Transcript ==

Fedora Board IRC meetings

Rahul Sundaram — 2008-11-18T18:42:37

Hi, Can someone post the IRC logs and meeting summaries? Rahul

Re: Fedora 11 schedule proposal

Karsten 'quaid' Wade — 2008-11-14T18:13:02

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Fedora Board Recap 2008-NOV-11

John Poelstra — 2008-11-14T06:28:44

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-11-11 == Roll Call == Attendees: John Poelstra, Paul Frields, Matt Domsch, Jesse Keating, Jef Spaleta, Karsten Wade, Mike McGrath, Seth Vidal, Bill Nottingham, Spot Callaway, Harald Hoyer, and Chris Tyler == Follow-up to Previous Business == === Spins Process === * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2008-11-04#Communicating_Spins * https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2008-November/msg00026.html * Discussion is continuing led by Jon Stanley == New Business == === Personal Trademark Usage === * A community member approached the board to brand non-software goods and sell them for personal gain * Paul continuing discussion on this topic with legal counsel * Would like to create FAQ around trademark usage that will hopefully answer questions like this * '''RESOLUTION''': the board denies trademark usage to individuals for non-software goods for personal benefit === Extending Updates for EOL Releases === * Background: ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringComittee/Meeting-20081015#Keeping_Infrastructure_Open_for_EOL_Proposal ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pertusus/Draft_keeping_infra_open_for_EOL ** https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Extras/SteeringComittee/Meeting-20081015 ** http://bpepple.fedorapeople.org/fesco/FESCo-2008-10-15.html * Mike McGrath reported that resource are available (CVS, disk space, builders) for maintaining package for more releases ** A year or more out storage space will become a concern ** Requests do come to mirror manager for EOL releases *** Graph of requests for Fedora 7 packages from January to October 2008: http://mmcgrath.fedorapeople.org/f7hits.html * The following observations were made during board discussion: ** Resource needs are unclear in existing proposals *** how many builds are anticipated? *** how will builds be distributed? *** where will bugs be tracked? *** how long will the trial period be to measure resource usage ** It is unclear who the technical leader and implementer of the proposal will be ** Concerns about granting Fedora resources and space to a project that will not use the Fedora Brand ** Concerns around the haphazardness of package updates and what determines when updates are issued *** No set requirements or policies around when package updates will be issued--appears to be completely at the will of an interested maintainer *** What about security updates? *** Is there a community of people to do the updates? How is this different than the unsuccessful Fedora Legacy project? ** If the core issue being raised by this proposal is extending the length of time Fedora releases are support, that issue should be explored separately * '''RESOLUTION''': The board: ** Is very unclear if there is real user demand or actual use that warrants providing resources for this effort ** Is not willing to put Fedora resources and funds behind a pilot project that does not include the Fedora brand and whose viability, based on the current proposal, appears doubtful ** Encourages the supporters of this proposal to demonstrate the technical viability of this proposal by setting up a self-hosted instance outside of Fedora and engaging a group of interested people to show it can work and generates enough interest and demand. This is how things usually start in Fedora. For example, Fedora Extras when it began. === IRC Meetings === * Missed first Tuesday of November ** Next IRC meeting is on 2008-11-18 (next week) ** Resume regular IRC meeting schedule with first Tuesday of December: 2008-12-02 * Paul Frields will send out announcements == Next Meeting == * Date: 2008-10-07 * Time: 19:00 UTC * Location: irc.freenode.net ** Public channel to ask questions: #fedora-board-public ** Moderated channel for board answers: #fedora-board-meetings ** Board to only join moderated channel so as to focus discussion there

Re: Fedora trademark guidelines: More comments

Paul W. Frields — 2008-11-13T23:16:47

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Re: Fedora 11 schedule proposal

Karsten 'quaid' Wade — 2008-11-13T21:47:16

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Final Release Planning Meeting

John Poelstra — 2008-11-13T20:44:40

Sending this mail out to representatives from each of the key Fedora teams to have a short meeting on Wednesday, November 19, 2008 at 18:00 UTC (1 PM EST), to make sure we are all aligned for the F10 Final Release scheduled for the following Tuesday, November 25, 2008 Please coordinate within your team if the leader has changed or if someone is attending in your place. Then please let me know. I plan to send telephone conference details directly to the following people on Monday. Spot Callaway -- Fedora Engineering manager Máirín Duffy -- Art Dimitris Gelzos -- Translation Paul Frields -- Fedora Project Leader Jesse Keating -- Release Engineering Mike McGrath -- Infrastructure Bill Nottingham -- Development/FESCo John Poelstra -- Organizer Jonathan Roberts -- Marketing Max Spevack -- Ambassadors Karsten Wade -- Documentation Will Woods -- Quality Assurance Ricky Zhou -- Websites I will send another reminder next Tuesday along with the conferencing information. John

Re: Fedora 11 schedule proposal

John Poelstra — 2008-11-13T17:11:29

I think the schedules and processes have matured a lot from the release before Fedora 8 and I'm not sure they are as valid for comparison now. * Fedora 8 slipped overall by approximately one week. We still set a ~5/1 GA date for F9 * Fedora 9 slipped two weeks total. We set an F10 GA date of ~ Oct 31. * So far Fedora 10 has slipped by four weeks. After the infrastructure incident we slipped by three weeks. Another week was added when we missed the beta freeze. John