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Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Alexey Shvetsov — 2012-05-23T11:51:41

Hi all!

Can someone add my github acc to gentoo organization? =D

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Rich Freeman — 2012-05-22T14:40:26

Then realize that you just committed an ebuild that lacks some fix the
foo.eclass team quietly made to the previous ebuild when making some
tree-wide tweak.

In maintaining the mythtv ebuilds one of the things I've noticed is
that it is not always easy to keep tree ebuilds in sync with an
external overlay, because people do stuff to the tree all the time
without involving the maintainers.  Usually these are relatively small
changes that are good from a quality perspective (often related to
dependencies/etc), or just stuff like package moves/virtuals/etc, but
the bottom line is that if you just merge some change from an overlay
without doing some checks you can end up with a regression.

So, if people are going to submit patches to help out it is best that
those patches be against what is actually in portage and not some
slowly diverging repository.  The only way to really address this is
to somehow apply changes automatically back into the overlay, but that
has issues as well.

In a git-based world with easy branching/etc this would likely be less
of a problem...

Rich

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Aaron W. Swenson — 2012-05-22T13:57:23

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On 05/21/2012 04:35 PM, Matthew Summers wrote:

I don't understand how this would be painful. In my mind:

 $ cp ~/github/collab/cat/pkgfile.ebuild ~/gentoo/gentoo-x86/cat/pkg/
 $ cd ~/github/collab/cat/pkg
 $ # Follow normal commit steps here.

- - Aaron
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Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Hans de Graaff — 2012-05-22T05:59:06

+1

Hans

Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Donnie Berkholz — 2012-05-22T02:50:43

There's a chance I will be in Germany immediately afterwards to speak at 
EclipseCon Europe (was invited, just need to work out travel funding), 
so I might be able to swing in a couple days early for this. 
Unfortunately it overlaps with the GSoC mentor summit, but that's life.

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Matthew Summers — 2012-05-21T20:35:30

So, to summarize so far:

1. Mirroring overlays seems like it is a good idea or at least ok.

2. The portage tree is not ready to be mirrored and attempting a git
workflow will be painful at the moment. It's assumed, however, that
once portage is git-managed these troubles will disappear.

What else folks?

What about mirroring the docs repo? I think its git-managed now or
will be soon. What other repos would benefit from this?

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Markos Chandras — 2012-05-21T17:18:49

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On 05/21/2012 04:00 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
It will be a pain from our (proxy-maint) side to use git workflow on a
cvs tree. Speaking of myself I am not interested in supporting this
"mixed" kind of collaboration and frankly I see no viable way for
someone to do that in the long term.

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Markos Chandras — 2012-05-21T17:14:29

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On 05/21/2012 03:02 PM, Andreas K. Huettel wrote:
Yeah same for me. Far too early to plan anything

- -- 
Regards,
Markos Chandras / Gentoo Linux Developer / Key ID: B4AFF2C2
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Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Dan Douglas — 2012-05-21T17:04:01

Managing more than a few eclass/builds fromthe main tree while watching 
upstream (Gentoo) for conflicts is a very difficult workflow. For those projects 
already using git like Kde and Haskell it's at least helpful to be able to 
look at logs and do diffs on my own machine. Users get much more out of having 
git available than those with commit access.

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Rich Freeman — 2012-05-21T15:00:17

Tend to agree, although a big liability will be the fact that we're
still not on git ourselves.  So, to be useful that github tree would
to get regular cvs updates incorporated, and then any content would
need to be manually moved over.  The trees would be constantly
slightly out of sync - what happens if somebody commits a fix without
a revbump to git and then the cvs tree refreshes git not showing the
change, and so on?

I guess for proxy-maintained packages we could just consider the
git-tree "official" and do all forward work there without publishing
cvs changes automatically.  Then cvs updates are just manual copies
when things are good in the git tree.  However, the second somebody
comes along with some library package move or other tree-wide change
they're going to make things out of sync unless they know to go update
git.

Seems like overlays are the best candidate for a place to start since
they largely use git already.  Maybe this is just one more reason to
get the main tree onto git as well...

Rich

Re: Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Theo Chatzimichos — 2012-05-21T14:28:28

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Steven J Long
<slong< at >rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote:

I sent them already in my duplicate mail [1] (and as a reply to this
thread), the Gentoo part could take place for the weekend 20-21
October

[1] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/msg_a477b9265484f6dc700917eee3df1e7f.xml

Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Steven J Long — 2012-05-21T14:14:57


Hard to say when we don't know when it is ;) Yeah, i googled ofc, and it's 
going to be end of October/ beginning of November[1] (for anyone else who 
hasn't searched yet.)


Sounds great: not sure if I'll make it, (I'll have to see nearer the time, 
but I would like to; Prague is a *beautiful* city) but I wish you all the 
best with it.

[1] http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Conference

Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Andreas K. Huettel — 2012-05-21T14:02:06

Well, I certainly like the idea, and will try to come... :) in general willing 
to contribute, but right now it's still very early for (my) planning...

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Aaron W. Swenson — 2012-05-21T13:42:34

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On 05/21/2012 07:58 AM, Ultrabug wrote:

It may even increase the collaboration between individual software
organizations as well. I know some do make their own Gentoo ebuilds,
but then never get passed along to us or become outdated because the
one developer who made it no longer works with that project or has
lost interest or....
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Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Theo Chatzimichos — 2012-05-21T12:15:03

Yes, the weekend 20-21 October (already stated in my mail)

Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Fabian Groffen — 2012-05-21T12:10:15

I'm excited about the idea (will be in Prague first week of June to do
pre-explorations ;)), is there a date set already?  Time is the most
prominent problem here.

Fabian

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Ultrabug — 2012-05-21T11:58:30

It also may be interesting to use the github workflow with
proxy-maintainers (which might also make the proxy-maintainers project
even more visible) ?

Seems like quite a bunch of people and potential contributors are used
to github so we might be able to capitalize on it.

Re: Gentoo mini-summit

Michal Hrusecky — 2012-05-21T11:43:35

Ok, a little bit more information if anybody is considering whether to
come or not (please express you opinions, so Theo will get more
feedback), I spoke with guy from university, they are just migrating
their last Solaris servers to Gentoo and they are really excited about
having at least Gentoo track on the conference. So audience is not a
problem as plenty of students and teachers is using Gentoo everyday
there ;-) But we would really love to have more people excited about
the idea and coming.

Gentoo Foundation Inc - Election Recording Date

Roy Bamford — 2012-05-20T20:04:01

Team,

At the meeting of the Gentoo Foundation Inc. trustees on 20 May, it was 
determined that the recoding date for the 2012 Trustee election will be 
17 June 2012.

Trustees are selected by a ballot of Foundation members. 
Only Foundation members may stand for election.

Membership is open to anyone supporting Gentoo. See 
http://www.gentoo.org/foundation/en/BylawsAdopted.xml
Section 4.3. Admission of Members

To take an active role in the affairs of the Gentoo Foundation Inc. in 
the next year, you need to apply for membership before 17 June.
Current members need not reapply.

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Steven J Long — 2012-05-20T11:48:06

Sounds like a great idea. After all, it'll just bitrot otherwise.

Re: Gentoo now has a Github "organization"

Matthew Summers — 2012-05-19T14:58:25

How about this? Mirror overlays for projects that are understaffed to
encourage more broad contribution from the community. Thoughts?