gmane.linux.gentoo.project

New developer: Gordon Malm (gengor)

Petteri Räty — 2008-09-07T23:46:24

It's my usual pleasure to announce to you our latest addition to the hardened team. Everyone please welcome Gordon "gengor" Malm who hails us from Roseville, CA. Unlike many of Gordon does not consider himself a programmer but he says he is studying hard to be able to call himself one. Gordon works for a corporate security contractor. As for his hobbies I will let his own words speak: "I enjoy spending time with my love, family and friends; Reading/studying in various non-fiction topics - computer-related, history, science, health, politics, etc. Computer stuff - numerous areas of interest. Outdoorsy stuff - camping, hiking, fishing, wilderness survival, amature armorering (legally) and shooting (not at living creatures though). Miscellaneous other interests/hobbies." Pull out your best guns to break his hardened shell. Regards, Petteri

Re: BugDay - Saturday 6th September

Roy Bamford — 2008-08-30T14:30:59

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2008.08.30 15:24, Roy Bamford wrote: [snip] Were you paying attention? Saturday is the 6th of September, not the 5th. - -- Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods treecleaners trustees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAki5WakACgkQTE4/y7nJvaslFgCg9QH8P05jZasHemrNLndwjzO2 f+IAoIsix0K/PWp6LwJ2256Tj/lOcAmO =gJMj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

BugDay - Saturday 6th September

Roy Bamford — 2008-08-30T14:24:24

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Team, It's that time of the month again, time for another BugDay on Saturday 5th September. Join us in #gentoo-bugs on irc.freenode.net to help squash some bugs and meet up with fellow users and developers. Read all about it http://bugday.gentoo.org/ There are bugs suitable for all ages, abilities and interests. Just come along and chat to find out what goes on. - -- Regards, Roy Bamford (NeddySeagoon) a member of gentoo-ops forum-mods treecleaners trustees -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAki5WCEACgkQTE4/y7nJvatPxACZAQgrTsyAXgCY7e0KOS8Jf9mF nEIAoO/iTfg6XZg2WT25fQUoB2w+hsIa =tywa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: [gentoo-council] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Decision on recent developer retirements

Alec Warner — 2008-08-25T06:31:18

In my not so humble opinion I think they have spent enough time on this matter already. I imagine if they were to spend more you will still not be satisfied; so my question to you is; what do you expect to change? Do you expect the council to re-review everything and let him back in? Do you expect the council to modify their processes and if so how? Do you have ideas for them to improve? -Alec

Re: Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Steve Long — 2008-08-23T15:06:07

Yes, that was my point. Fwiw I liked the := dep specification, just like I liked labelled deps. I don't see those as 'inventions' ofc, since they merely duplicate what others have been doing for years, but feel free to think of yourself as the great innovator, toiling away in your lab, misunderstood by the unwashed masses (one day they'll be sorry..) And you wonder that I considered your prior post some sort of claim? /me suddenly understands why so many Gentoo devs won't use gmane.

Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Steve Long — 2008-08-21T16:27:03

Cool, that makes sense. I mean the dependency between the package in your example and libX11, or between libX11 and xproto: what the programmer writes as a dependency in the code. In certain cases the dependency does not actually matter (opaque types) but it usually does, especially with C++. compile-against seems to be derived from that information. An ldepend would necessarily be a build-time depend. It would not necessarily be a run-time depend (eg for plugins) although most pkgs building from src with a USE flag pulling in the ldepend would rdepend on the same pkg, if the flag is in effect at install time. OFC that's where the soft dependencies (suggest, recommend) come into play.

Re: Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Ciaran McCreesh — 2008-08-21T16:07:09

On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:54:32 +0100 Steve Long rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: I'm not quite sure how you got from Diego rejecting helpful comments because they describe a solution thought out by the wrong people to that... Unix already has mechanisms for dealing with that. All the package manager needs to make use of that is := slot dependencies, which you can find documented in PMS for kdebuild-1. But since I invented them, I'm looking forward to see what reason you can cook up for disliking it.

Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Steve Long — 2008-08-21T15:54:32

http://blog.flameeyes.eu/articles/2008/08/18/same-abi-and-any-abi-dependencies Actually I found it depressing; you'll be wanting credit for readelf next.. http://git.exherbo.org/?p=exherbo.git;a=tree;f=scratch/multilib was a more useful link, from which I got this: * econf now looks in ${S} for a configure script, as well as . and ${ECONF_SOURCE}. * extra variables: ABI_CLASSES="C python ruby", for example, and C_ABIS, python_ABIS, ruby_ABIS. Also C_ABI, python_ABI, ruby_ABI for primary ABI in each class. * additional functions: switch_abi_env, get_abi_var, with_all_abis I recommend Gentoo people look at the notes file in the above dir. One thing that puzzles me is I never see .so versioning mentioned, eg libc.so.5 vs .6 linking to latest providing specified ABI.

Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

David Leverton — 2008-08-19T20:52:35

compile-against is designed mainly for packages that include each-other's headers, nothing to do with linking. For example, some libX11 headers include xproto headers. If a given package only contains a reference, say, , and not anything from xproto, then it should only build-depend on libX11, but xproto still needs to be present at compile-time. The only way to represent that currently is by making libX11 RDEPEND on xproto, meaning "libX11 is not fully-functional unless xproto is installed", but embedded people and the like would prefer something more fine-grained, effectively splitting the idea of "fully-functional" into "fully-functional at runtime" and "fully-functional at build-time". What exactly do you mean by "link dependency information"? How would you like the package manager treat a "link" dependency differently from any other build dependency?

Re: ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Ciaran McCreesh — 2008-08-19T20:45:43

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:35:35 +0100 Steve Long rathaus.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: You might find http://kloeri.livejournal.com/6771.html useful too.

ABI deps and DEPEND labelling

Steve Long — 2008-08-19T20:35:35

Posting to project as I think this stuff needs input from users as well as devs. (Many users have a lot of experience with embedded dev and ABI quirks.) Flameeyes posted here about ABI deps: http://blog.flameeyes.eu/articles/2008/08/18/same-abi-and-any-abi-dependencies ..which reminded me a lot of: http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=201499 Not really fussed about how it's resolved, so long as we get some sort of correct link dependency information (which compile-against is not.) OFC that probably means we'll never get correct LDEPENDs but such is life ;) What do others reckon about resolving ABI stuff, especially for cross-dev and multi-lib/testing?

Re: User Relations authority

Steve Long — 2008-08-15T09:24:45

Hmm, pro-active moderation of dev m-l was definitely a change in scope imo. That's a good thing to have, and indeed the message was given at the time that this was stuff that others should seek to help with, in the same way as everyone should try and file bugs or help new users. However the whole point of the CoC as a new document was to give the proctors a mandate (and it definitely took long enough to achieve the consensus that much more proactive moderation was needed.) Yeah, just like anyone can become a dev, or write a kernel.. It takes skill and experience (both of the group and of tricky situations) to moderate effectively. The forum mods are the examplar within Gentoo imo. I disagree as stated above. The CoC was based on the existing principles of the Gentoo community, so perhaps in legal terms it could be argued to be the same thing. In spirit, and in authority over all participants on all Gentoo media, it was very different. Yeah, for the forums and irc (and I note that #gentoo-dev does not exactly live up to the standard of #gentoo wrt professionalism. Focus fair enough, everyone needs to talk off-topic, but rank stupidity and power-games?) but not for the m-l, so again a change in scope.

SCALE 7x is Coming!

Gareth J. Greenaway — 2008-08-12T05:16:56

Like a fine wine, SCALE continues to improve with age. The 7th Annual So Cal Linux Expo will be February 20-22, 2009. For 2009, the Expo will return to the Westin LAX Hotel, site of the 6th Expo. Because interest in Open Source Software is steadily growing, attendance at SCALE continues to also grow. The depth and breadth of its audience is expanding, so the Expo will add additional speaker tracks to expand the educational opportunities for guests of all experience levels. The Call for Papers for the 7th Annual Expo opened August 4th 2008. The CFP solicits proposals from those who wish to speak at SCALE in February. In addition to three general tracks, a Developer's track and a Beginner's track have been added. So there are many more opportunities to speak at SCALE, and on a vastly wider breadth of topics than in the past. Pertinent dates for the CFP are: 4 August, 2008: CFP Opens 30 Nov, 2008: Deadline for abstracts/proposals submissions 20 Dec, 2008: Last date for notiﬁcation of acceptance 20 Feb, 2009: Conference starts If you're interested in presenting at SCALE, the full CFP can be found at http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale7x/s7x_cfp. Please consider speaking - SCALE welcomes your proposal!

Re: New developer : Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23)

William L. Thomson Jr. — 2008-08-08T19:28:55

Another amd64 AT becomes a dev. Awesome, now he can bear the fruits from his labor by stabilizing things he tests himself. Versus just commenting on a bug and letting another get the commit/stabilization glory =) Much less the age, what is it about amd64 AT's that attracts youths? What ever it is, is a good thing. Definitely when the stick around and mature into being a full on developer =) Welcome Mr. Anderson, have fun chasing Neo ( lame ass pun, had to join the others ;) )

Re: New developer : Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23)

Panagiotis Christopoulos — 2008-08-08T05:58:30

Welcome aboard, *Mr. Anderson*. :)

Re: New developer : Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23)

Nirbheek Chauhan — 2008-08-08T00:39:00

[...] Such lies I have never seen spouted on even the most imaginative of fake resumes! And I have proof! --------- Seen on #gentoo-dev --------- Calchan: my ebuild quiz definitely didn't say anything about being proficient in C++ ;-) gentoofan23: too late gentoofan23: now fix this 60000 line c++ app but see, my ebuild quiz said I had only very basic c++ skills my quiz said epic fail across it gentoofan23, my sikrit files did tell you were good at C++, and they're never wrong hehe, maybe when I have time to learn c++ better so gentoofan23 ah, now I get it hm? you wrote "Fairly proficient in C. Basic C++ skills." which I interpreted "Fairly proficient in C, Basic, C++" hahaha and I thought, "nah, I'm not telling about basic or they'll hang him right awayé hahahaha s/away/away"/ ah, that made me laugh * Ken69267 smells blood in the air over basic now, screw you guys, I'm going to bed [...] Good evening Mr. Anderson.

Re: New developer : Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23)

Alec Warner — 2008-08-08T00:27:32

Good evening Mr. Anderson...... Glad to have more ebuild folks.

New developer : Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23)

Denis Dupeyron — 2008-08-07T21:43:32

(Yes, this is another of my now unfortunately famous late new-dev announcements. I finished setting up Thomas a couple hours before having to board a plane and have been hopping from one place to the other with unreliable internet since then. I'm going to snorkel like this for a few more weeks until I finally dive and resurface about 5400 nautic miles away. Please bear with me) It's my pleasure to introduce Thomas Anderson (gentoofan23) as an almost new Gentoo developer. As you may know, Thomas has already been messing up with our tree for a few weeks now. His turf is mostly amd64, sunrise and science. He his rather proficient in C, C++ and bash. You probably all know that I like thinking of my recruits as my kids. But Thomas is definitely young enough to be my son. And since he is such a nice kid I'm going to ask you guys to behave in his presence. By the way there must be something in his genes because one of his brothers is an Ubuntu developer. Thomas enjoys cooking as well as playing the bass and the piano. He recently picked up ping-pong but pretends he has yet to gain any real skill. His main hobby however is breaking packages and, fortunately for us, fixing them. Please everybody, give a warm welcome to gentoofan23. Denis.

Re: New developer: Jesus Rivero (neurogeek)

Lukasz Damentko — 2008-07-29T21:17:02

2008/7/29 Petteri Räty gentoo.org>: Welcome aboard. By the way, we have one Rivero (Jose Luis) on the team already. Are you guys connected? Are there more Riveros coming? :-) Kind regards, Lukasz Damentko

Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] New developer: Jesus Rivero (neurogeek)

Joe Peterson — 2008-07-29T19:45:05

Welcome, Jesus! And yay Python: the language of NASA! ;) -Joe

New developer: Jesus Rivero (neurogeek)

Petteri Räty — 2008-07-29T19:21:15

Joining us from the jungles of Venezuela we have Jesus "neurogeek" Rivero. He has a degree in Behavioral Psychology so he will be joining the project to make sure people stay angry and flame as much as possible. If he has any leftover time he will be maintaining python related packages. Jesus is interested in Artificial Intelligence, Distributed and Parallel Computing. I guess his wife didn't marry him only because of good looks. Now let's try to prove to him that languages like ruby are much better than python. Regards, Petteri -- Gentoo/Recruiters project lead