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Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Simon McVittie — 2013-06-18T11:17:05

Don't forget
<http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=webkit;tag=security>,
the first bug of which was filed as grave, then downgraded to important.
Michael Gilbert wrote:


The majority of webkit security bugs are probably also epiphany-browser
security bugs.

    S

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort — 2013-06-18T11:17:13

The problem is rather with webkit in general and/or webkitgtk+ in particular.

Emilio

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Johannes Rohr — 2013-06-18T09:55:22

Am Dienstag, den 18.06.2013, 11:08 +0200 schrieb Jordi Mallach:


Thanks for filling me in! At the same time, there seem to be no open
security related RC bugs file against epiphany in Debian at this time:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?src=epiphany-browser;tag=security

Thanks,

Johannes

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Jordi Mallach — 2013-06-18T09:08:28

El dt 18 de 06 de 2013 a les 08:50 +0200, en/na Johannes Rohr va
escriure:

meta-gnome3 (1:3.4+3) unstable; urgency=low

  [...]

  * Install iceweasel instead of epiphany :(
    See bug#682481.
  * Let gnome recommend iceweasel-l10n-all.
  * Require firefox extensions that match epiphany functionality: 
    keyring, adblock.

  [...]

 -- Josselin Mouette <joss< at >debian.org>  Sat, 29 Sep 2012 10:36:58 +0200

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Johannes Rohr — 2013-06-18T06:50:55

[...]


 
Sure, nobody has to use metapackages. Heck, nobody even has to use Debian. 
So what? Still, the question remains what the most sensible choice is.

My perception had been that Debian tries to ship a version of GNOME which is 
untampered with, unlike those shipped by other distributions, so that, if 
you install gnome or gnome-core, you can be reasonably certain that your 
desktop largely corresponds to the upstream release. 

This is more than just a matter of principle, it is also a matter of 
housekeeping. Adblock draws in iceweasel, Xulrunner and all that comes with 
it. These simply are not part of the GNOME desktop and they are not required 
to have a functioning and feature-complete GNOME desktop.

Now, maybe there is a good reason to include this package into the GNOME 
desktop metapackage, but if there is one, I'd like to know what it is. What 
is the rationale behind this decision? How do you define what is part of 
GNOME and what isn't?

Thanks,

Johannes

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Xavier Guillot — 2013-06-16T07:26:29

Hello,

I also think that Adblock should not been dependent from Gnome package, 
nor already pre-activated with ads filtering, and should be 
uninstallable directly in Iceweasel, which is not the case for the moment...

I made one month ago a very detailed argumentation on Bug #693160 (it 
can be considered as duplicate of 689858), with some questions regarding 
filter list or ways to suppress it, but got absolutely no answer from 
Debian developers:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=693160#17

There are IMHO technical, philosophical and economical reasons to not 
put ABP working by default and let the user choice what he prefers.

Thanks and best regards,

Xavier Guillot

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Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Michael Biebl — 2013-06-13T15:51:02

Am 13.06.2013 16:45, schrieb Bill West:

Then don't use the meta packges (they are empty and don't provide any
functionality). Then pick and choose to your liking.

Michael

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Bill West — 2013-06-13T14:45:14



I agree completely with Johannes. I use Debian/Linux because it is not
Windows and I want to control what is installed on my computer. My opinion
is that anything that is not strictly required in order to make a package
work should not be a dependency, only a recommendation. I don't want ads to
be blocked, I don't want extra code bulking up my tools, and I don't want to
have to even think about having to disable some functionality that I never
wanted installed in the first place.

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Johannes Rohr — 2013-06-04T09:44:55

Am 04.06.2013 11:40, schrieb Emilio Pozuelo Monfort:
task-gnome only recommends iceweasel. So I suggest that the dependency 
on adblock should also be lowered to recommends.

Thanks,

Johannes

Re: Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort — 2013-06-04T09:40:40

IIRC, The GNOME web browser is epiphany. However the GNOME task (which we don't
maintain) doesn't install that in a default install, but installs iceweasel
instead. Therefore we switched the metapackage to match that and added adblock
because that's some important functionality that epiphany has by default.

Emilio

Meta-gnome3 dependency on xul-ext-adblock-plus (Bug #689858)

Johannes Rohr — 2013-06-04T09:29:28

Dear GNOME maintainers,

while I do use adblock plus with Iceweasel, it seems a bit arbitrary to 
me that the gnome meta package declares a dependency on it. Adblock plus 
is not part of the GNOME desktop. In addition, it pulls in  iceweasel 
which also isn't. What is the rationale behind this decision?

Until now, I had assumed, that the policy regarding Debian's GNOME 
desktop was to closely reflect the official GNOME desktop as defined by 
upstream. I see that the gnome metapackage is not totally strict on 
that, but still, most packages which are not part of the official GNOME 
release are suggests or recommends, not depends. Why this exception, for 
a package which isn't even based on the GNOME platform?

BTW: I do keep on using adblock plus myself, however, there are some who 
dislike it since the developer has begun to generate revenues through 
paid-for exclusion from the filter lists for some types of ads. 
Therefore, as I understand, some people are now using different adblockers.

So I would suggest to at least lower the dependency to suggests, if not 
to drop it from the dependencies altogether.

Thanks,

Johannes

Re: GNOME 3.8 in unstable?

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort — 2013-05-17T09:07:10

Yes, we're basically waiting for unstable to cool down (too many transitions atm).

Emilio

Re: GNOME 3.8 in unstable?

Jean Parpaillon — 2013-05-17T07:26:51

Dear all,
+1
I would add, is there something we can do to help ?


Jean

Le 17/05/2013 08:13, Johannes Rohr a écrit :

GNOME 3.8 in unstable?

Johannes Rohr — 2013-05-17T06:13:00

Dear maintainers,

sorry for my impatience! I noticed that GNOME 3.8 is still in 
experimental, even though the Wheezy release process is over. Are there 
any indications as to when it is going to make it into unstable? Is it 
waiting for some transition to complete first?

Thanks!

Johannes

Re: What does Emacs Keybinding theme do?

Andrea Vettorello — 2013-05-14T09:43:01

The thing that makes me crazy is the fact I can't bind Ctrl-m to accept my
input... ^_~

Re: What does Emacs Keybinding theme do?

Miles Bader — 2013-05-14T05:28:51

AFAIK, it basically affects text-input areas.

It definitely works there though; I'd go crazy otherwise... :]

-miles

What does Emacs Keybinding theme do?

Xue Fuqiao — 2013-05-03T06:57:36

I'm using GNOME 3.4 on sid, and I have two small questions regarding
keybindings:

1. In "Advanced Settings" -> "Theme" -> "Keybinding theme", I changed my
theme to "Emacs", but I didn't find anything difference.  (I tried to
press "Ctrl+a" on the search area of "Activities" and Nautilus, but both
of them do not behave like `beginning-of-line'.)

2. In "System Settings" -> "Keybord" -> "Shortcuts" -> "Navigation", I
changed "Switch applications" from "Alt+Tab" to "F9", but it didn't make
any difference.  If I change it to "Ctrl+F9", it's ok.  Why?

I have searched on Google and help.gnome.org, but they didn't help.  Can
I get a pointer to information on them?

--
Best regards, Xue Fuqiao.
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

Testing gdm3 3.4.1-7

Emilio Pozuelo Monfort — 2013-04-15T11:57:59

Hi all,

gdm3 3.4.1-7 from unstable fixes an important accessibility issue (the screen
reader no longer working on gdm).

To make sure the packages are fine, I'd appreciate if people could test it
(you'll also need gnome-session 3.4.2.1-4). After installing those, make sure
gdm still works as expected. Also make sure to test the "Screen Reader" checkbox
in the top panel, inside the accessibility menu there. Enabling "Screen Reader"
should start orca and it should read your screen.

If we have confirmation that the packages are working fine, we may be able to
ship this in wheezy r0. Otherwise it'll be delayed to the first point release (r1).

Thanks,
Emilio

Re: gnome-calculator issues in GNOME 3.8 [SOLVED]

Marcelo Santana — 2013-04-10T03:25:24

On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 19:17:09 -0300, Marcelo Santana
<marcgsantana< at >yahoo.com.br> wrote:

[...]


I've confirmed, it is a bug in gnome-calculator. It is needed to rename
/usr/share/applications/gcalctool.desktop
to /usr/share/applications/gnome-calculator.desktop
to have calculator appearing again in gnome-shell.

Many thanks for all replies.

*PS: Don't need to send message with CC to me. I'm a subscriber from
this list.

Cheers,

Re: gnome-calculator issues in GNOME 3.8

emilio rascazzo — 2013-04-09T04:42:25

Hi Jean, Hi all



perhaps now I must add the experimental repository. I dont saw gcalctool 3.8
yet.


I have used  calcoo or gcalculator and I have thought to use that from two
month ago. What will think you if I should add experimental at my
sources.list? (experimental and sid)?

2 way:
However fine



2013/4/9 Marcelo Santana <marcgsantana< at >yahoo.com.br>