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Re: [idea] wheezy released -> fund campaign again?

Hideki Yamane — 2013-05-09T23:40:02

Hi Holger,

On Wed, 8 May 2013 15:36:52 +0200
Holger Levsen <holger< at >layer-acht.org> wrote:

<draft>

 We Debian Project are pleased to say Debian 7.0 "Wheezy" was released,
 but the development would never stop - it's time to start 8.0 "Jessie"
 cycle. And in this summer, we'll hold annual developers conference, 
 DebConf13 in Switzerland (8-11th, August). To accelerate its development,
 we'll run fund raising campaign, as next to succeeded fund matching.

 For Big fun of Debian, please donate to the Conference if you want to
 see next and greatest version ever! :-)

 For more information, see http://debconf13.debconf.org/

</draft>

Re: [idea] wheezy released -> fund campaign again?

Holger Levsen — 2013-05-08T13:36:52

Hi Hideki,

On Montag, 6. Mai 2013, Hideki Yamane wrote:

Thats a great idea IMO. Could you draft an initial text for the DebConf blog?


cheers,
Holger

[idea] wheezy released -> fund campaign again?

Hideki Yamane — 2013-05-06T06:27:43

Hi,

 We've happily released Wheezy, so users look into it now.
 So, just an idea, how about do DebConf funding campaign, again?
 Maybe some of users want to donate, IMHO.

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Gaudenz Steinlin — 2013-05-05T19:58:45

Hi Olivier

Olivier Berger <obergix< at >debian.org> writes:


If it's hard or not mostly depends on how many people register and which
room preference Debian contributors choose. So it's really hard to tell
before the sponsorship deadline is over.

Beside that, I agree to what Tiago told you as an "inofficial" answer.
But that's not more official than Tiagos answer, as I'm also just one
single team member. The most official statement we have is what's on the
registration page:

---

Due to space limitations, we give accommodation preferences to
developers and contributors. If you would like to be hosted at Le Camp
with your family or an accompanying person, please register anyway and
we will tell you after the sponsorship deadline if a place for them is
available. Please note that even if space is available we can not
provide a guarantee that we will have many non-communal spaces available
for families and accompanying persons. Please keep this in mind when
selecting your accomodation preferences. If you need confirmation before
we make final selections, please consider arranging your own
accommodations. 

---

IMO this summarizes it quite well. If you have suggestions on how to
improve the wording to make it more understandable, please send them to
debconf-team. I'm happy to apply them.

Gaudenz

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Philip Hands — 2013-05-04T18:13:47

...

Assuming that you're right, I'm left wondering why nobody thought to
mention it before, nor to add links to the alternative accommodation
page of the wiki, linking to these several sites.

Perhaps you'd be so kind to do so now?

Cheers, Phil.

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Daniel Pocock — 2013-05-04T17:05:49


On 04/05/13 17:23, Tiago B. Vaz wrote:



One of the key factors promoted about this venue was the fact that there
will be nobody else around (except cows)

If DebCamp happens, there might be with non-Debian people in some
buildings, but DebConf week the site is reserved exclusively.




Switzerland already has well known laws on social behavior:
http://www.englishforum.ch/daily-life/14706-i-broke-law-twice-last-night.html



If there are several families, and studio appts are too expensive, it
may be possible to share a private house rental with 2 - 3 bedrooms.
There are several web sites with such accommodation.

Regards,

Daniel

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Tiago B. Vaz — 2013-05-04T15:23:09

Hi, it seems you didn't have yet an 'official' answer, so I'll try to
help you based on my past experiences as attendee/volunteer:

On Fri, 2013-05-03 at 23:18 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: 

I'm pretty sure that little babies (if it's the case) don't "count"
here, so I wouldn't care about his/her registration in penta nor about
the bed.


Your wife, sure.


If you can share your food with the baby you won't need to register. If
(s)he eats like an adult, please do so :) Remember that non-contributors
have to pay for food/accom.


The only thread I've found about families in DC was the one already
pointed here.


We try to use the commom sense and avoid noise in places that are near
to sleeping rooms. When commom sense doesn't work someone comes out from
a room and ask people to shut up. And afaik it has been working quite
well. I don't think why it'd be different with children around.


Only Debian people around in le camp. My personal view is that the DC
world is much better than the world outside. Solidarity, diversity and
relaxed ambience, in short. In general, people will respect other
people, le camp rules, DC policy and local laws. It's more than enough
to not be worried.


I've seen families in past DCs, including little babies. They're very
welcome. Please note that DC13 has particular issues with accommodation.
There're just a few small rooms, so the orga team can't give you an
immediate answer. Before considering lovely families they need to
consider contributors who can't sleep sharing a room with many people,
professional/corporate contributors who would like to pay for some
comfort, people with disabilities who may need those rooms etc... So
please don't take this as "families are not welcome". It's just about
priority for room allocation, and you can imagine how hard it is to the
orga team to decide about it.


Suggestion: bring your family, but cut and past Gunnar's words here :)

"In short, if I were you, I'd look into the Vaumarcus studio options."

http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20130416.211435.1bcf2446.en.html

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Olivier Berger — 2013-05-04T13:10:36


OK, done... now, what ? It seems to me that the thread didn't come to any
conclusion. And I'd expect to get different responses on -discuss than
on -team...

Can we expect some kind of decision and response, so that people don't
make false assumptions ?

I don't want to argue in favor of any option, but just to get a clearer
view of what/when. The current wording of the Accomodation/Registration
is still too vague, IMHO.

If welcoming families is still to hard to organize, then better you
don't "promote" this, then.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Re: Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Jeremy Baron — 2013-05-03T21:45:36

Step 0: read http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/thread/20130416.130230.a3ba8109.en.html

-Jeremy

Accomodation for families at Le Camp ?

Olivier Berger — 2013-05-03T21:18:49

Hi.

I intend to participate to the Debconf, and thought of the possibility
to come with my wife and son in order to try a mix of hacking and
holidays in the mountains, instead of leaving home for a week...

I would like to know when/how we may expect to have confirmation for
booking of "rooms for families", typically thinking of a 2 beds room in
which we'd add our own foladable baby bed, if there's enough room (which
would need to be confirmed).

There are additional details I've missed in the accomodation page : 
 - is such an option possible (for the baby bed) ? 
 - should I register in pentabarf my wife (and my son ?) if I'd like to
   come with my family ?

What would be the extra costs for children (food mainly ?) ?

Are there any other families planing to come together, so we can imagine
some group activities for the non-hacker accompanying ones, etc ?

I'm also a bit doubtful of the coexistence of hackers with a tendency
for nightly activities (potentially noisy) and young children in same
facilities :-/ 

Btw, I'm not sure I understand whether there will only be
Debianers/Debconfers at Le Camp of if general public/clients will also
share the facilities... can we expect some very "ordered" (Switzerland,
yes ;) general behaviour, or a much more relaxed/heterodox ambiance, at
night time, for instance ? Besides the anti-harassment policy warning,
I'm not sure I've read anything mentioning sex, drugs and R&R ;-) I'm
just curious of how people feel it will be like...

I'm not completely shure this family trip is a likely option, and maybe
I should just come alone (my lack of prior experience of the Debconf
doesn't help much, either) ?

What are your comments / suggestions ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

Re: Question about acomodation and bike renting.

Marcin Kulisz — 2013-04-29T11:53:39

Hi All,
thx for all suggestions I'll try to organize something based on them and other
sources from the net.
Thx one more time and hopefully see you in Switzerland.

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Lucas Nussbaum — 2013-04-28T06:30:11

For that, you need a vector map. Maps on vttrack are just images
streamed from a WMS server.
 
Lucas

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Christian PERRIER — 2013-04-28T05:39:53

Quoting Bruno Kleinert (fuddl< at >debian.org):


You definitely should, yes..:-). Tracks on "Mont Aubert" just above
Vaumarcus (with nearly 1000m height difference) of "La Chaille",
really seem quite promising.

Thanks for the hint with VTTrack. I need to check if it's possible to
draw a track oneself (which is what I usually do on
www.openrunner.com....but that one only has French IGN).

Edit: yes, that's possible, though I didn't find a way to have the
track follow routes on the map (something you can do on OpenRunner).

Doh, I'll need to save time for hacking, it seems..:-)

Re: pentabarf open?

Christian PERRIER — 2013-04-28T05:28:45

Quoting Timo Juhani Lindfors (timo.lindfors< at >iki.fi):


Yes. But that doesn't mean that registration is opened..:-)

It is meant to open "soon" : from what I witness in the -team
mailing list, the orga team is mostly setting up last details. Stay tuned....

Re: pentabarf open?

Paul Wise — 2013-04-28T01:21:05


From what I seem to remember from IRC, the change has been postponed
to later DebConfs.

pentabarf open?

Timo Juhani Lindfors — 2013-04-27T15:38:09

Hi,

I just noticed that I can select "I want to attend this conference [X]"
in pentabarf. Does this mean that

  "Currently we are still evaluating some possible new conference
   management systems"

    -- http://debconf13.debconf.org/

is simply out of date information?

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Bruno Kleinert — 2013-04-27T13:53:55

Am Samstag, den 27.04.2013, 12:33 +0200 schrieb Lucas Nussbaum:

I don't know if it's that relevant to this thread, but I heard of
http://komoot.de/ on friday for the first time and I feel like I'm
toying with it for the rest of the weekend ;) It uses OpenStreeMap data
plus apperently a huge set of POIs and can suggest bicycle, mountain
bike, race bike etc. tours. Also with a height profile.

It seems like it's available only in German, but it's not limited to
Germany! Quick guide for those who don't speak German: Go to the web
site, click "Tourenvorschläge" (tour suggestions), type "vaumarcus" and
press "Tour planen" (plan tour).

Cheers - Fuddl

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Gaudenz Steinlin — 2013-04-27T11:37:19


There is an orienteering map of the forest behind "Le Camp". See
http://www.guedels.ch/karten/show_map.php?user=dave&map=276

Le Camp is the place where the course starts and ends. This map is from
the Swiss relay championship in 2011.

Gaudenz

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Lucas Nussbaum — 2013-04-27T10:33:16

You can also go to http://www.vttrack.fr/ and select the SwissTopo "fond
de carte". 

Mmmh, I might bring my mountain bike :)

Lucas

Re: Online maps of Switzerland?

Christian PERRIER — 2013-04-27T10:22:44

Quoting Christian PERRIER (bubulle< at >debian.org):

Turned out to be easy to find :

http://map.geo.admin.ch


Yay, the place at Vaumarcus seems to be a heaven for trail
runners..:-)


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Online maps of Switzerland?

Christian PERRIER — 2013-04-27T10:16:43

Adieu,

Are there online versions of high detail maps of Switzerland, similar
to what we have in France on the "Geoportail" web site of Institut
Géographique National (IGN) : http://www.geoportail.gouv.fr/accueil

I usually use these to prepare my runs and it would greatly help if
there are similar maps for Switzerland, particularly, of course, the
Vaumarcus area.

Admitedly, OSM has some bits that seem mapped but this doesn't seem,
yet, to be complete enough (of course, I highly suspect that, after
one week or more of Debconf, that could improve quite a lot).


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