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Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Russ Housley — 2012-10-01T20:42:10

My failure happened with Safari and Firefox (not Chrome).

Russ


On Oct 1, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-10-01T20:34:20

Thanks Joe! So this was two distinct problems.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr — 2012-10-01T16:58:11

This is a Chrome issue.  Fix is being rolled out as fast as we can, but in
the meantime,  replace ~/Library/Internet Plug-ins/WebEx64.plugin with the
attached.


On 10/1/12 10:42 AM, "Russ Housley" <housley-Ib7fgPhUa/pWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr — 2012-10-01T17:53:44

As far as I know, the previous issue is fixed; there was something hinky
in one of the early Mountain Lion builds that got fixed in the Golden
Master edition.  If you're not on the ML beta still, it shouldn't be a
problem.

The current issue is that Chrome changed its plugin API.  We've been
seeing issues in the beta channel for a few weeks, and it took us some
time to track down, but once the change went into the stable channel, it
became high priority.  The plugin build I sent will be the one we
auto-upgrade you to when you connect to a site that's been updated with an
emergency fix, but it'll be a while until we get that fix rolled out to
all of our clusters, including back-ports to sites that are locked down to
specific versions.

On 10/1/12 11:34 AM, "Paul Kyzivat" <pkyzivat-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-10-01T17:34:29

Joe,

Can you provide a bit more context about what is going on, so that 
people can evaluate how it affects their particular situation/usage?

I saw the problem earlier, (and wasn't alone), but with Firefox and 
Safari. It eventually went away "on its own". AFAIK I had no updates to 
OS X, or Firefox between not working and working again.

Is the current issue truly a "Chrome" issue, or maybe a webkit issue?

Thanks,
Paul

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Andrew G. Malis — 2012-10-01T17:05:13

John et al,

I'm running OS X 10.8.2 and was just on a WebEx meeting with no
problems.  I started the meeting using Firefox 15.0.1 and the
WebEx64.plugin I have installed identifies as version 1.0, dated
8/27/12.

Cheers,
Andy

On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:22 AM, John Leslie <john-/sdJLaoWuQc< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Russ Housley — 2012-10-01T16:42:17

I'm running 10.6.8.

Russ


On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:28 PM, Paul Kyzivat wrote:

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-10-01T16:28:53

Inline...

On 10/1/12 11:52 AM, Russ Housley wrote:

I had this problem earlier. I believe it occurred when I upgraded to 
10.7.4. I was unable to get on to the ietf webex meetings for a couple 
of months. Then it finally got better on its own.

I talked to Joe Hildebrand about it. IIUC, Apple made some change that 
was incorrect, but webex had to make a change to work around it, and 
this required an updated webex server. They only rolled that change out 
gradually. I noticed this when I was able to connect to a different 
conference hosted by cisco while the ietf webex was still not working 
for me.

What version of OS X are you on?

I don't know if all the ietf webex service is from a single server or 
not. Is it possible that things work for you for some conferences and 
not for others that might be on a different server?

Thanks,
Paul

Re: WebEx on MacOSX

Russ Housley — 2012-10-01T15:52:28

Unlike John, I did not update Mac OS X.  But this morning, I find myself in the same place as John.

I deleted user folder > Library > Application Support > WebEx Folder.
I deleted user folder > Library > Internet Plug-Ins > WebEx*.plugin.

This did not help.  I expected that joining a WebEx meeting would reinstall these with the most recent versions.  The WebEx64.plugin was installed, but so far the WebEx Folder has not reappeared.

When trying to join a WebEx meeting, I see "Connecting …", but never get connected.

Any suggestions?

Russ


On Oct 1, 2012, at 10:22 AM, John Leslie wrote:

WebEx on MacOSX

John Leslie — 2012-10-01T14:22:29

   After a system update Thursday (10.7.5), WebEx stopped working on
my Mac; and sternly refuses to get any better.

   I find Issue 152617 in chromium:
...
" Chrome autoupdated to 22.0.1229.79, and WebEx fails after the restart.

   Since a number of IETF activities depend on WebEx, I sincerely hope
this will find a resolution soon...

--
John Leslie <john-/sdJLaoWuQc< at >public.gmane.org>

Re: Need for recordings of interims

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-09-25T03:57:20

No, it's not rocket science with webex. You can specify it when you 
create the conference. But in spite of that you must then take a manual 
action after the conference starts to actually start the recording. More 
than once I have forgotten to do that. Blame me for being absent minded 
if you like, but it happens. And it's worse if the host is delayed and 
the meeting starts without the host.

I would rather have it be deterministic that if you specify a recording 
when setting up the conference then you get a recording.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: Need for recordings of interims

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-09-25T03:53:30

Well, maybe I am missing something.
AFAIK the current effort is to specify some tools.
So if we are talking about interims in that context, then it must be 
interims supported by the tools being specified.

I guess that is independent of where the server is. Either way the tool 
could create a conference that is set to automatically record.

If the conference is set up on a server without the ability to record 
then of course it won't get recorded. If it hurts, don't do it.

Thanks,
Paul

Re: Need for recordings of interims

joel jaeggli — 2012-09-25T02:53:05

It not rocket science to record a webex, you generally set that up when 
you schedule the meeting.

the methodology varies with other technologies that we use, but exists 
as well e.g. meetecho, xmpp/jabber.


On 9/24/12 3:16 PM, spromano-7EJwN6hzp+g< at >public.gmane.org wrote:

Re: Need for recordings of interims

Paul Hoffman — 2012-09-24T22:43:39


The requirement is discussing interims that are not coordinated with the IETF. Are you suggesting that these would have to be done through an IETF-supported audio system, regardless of the location where they are held? If so, I agree that a template would work. However, that would also limit chairs to being in places that can hook into the IETF's system. Is that a reasonable trade-off?

--Paul Hoffman

Re: Need for recordings of interims

2012-09-24T22:16:55

+1 to both comments.

Simon


Quoting Paul Kyzivat <pkyzivat-FrUbXkNCsVf2fBVCVOL8/A< at >public.gmane.org>:

Re: Need for recordings of interims

Paul Kyzivat — 2012-09-24T21:16:14

Perhaps a standard template for creating an interim meeting conference, 
that sets recording by default - to be started automatically.

I would *really* like the option to specify recording when defining a 
conference, in such a way that it will just happen without the need to 
do anything manually when the meeting starts. (It is *way* too easy to 
forget to start the recording.)

Thanks,
Paul

Re: Need for recordings of interims

Simon Pietro Romano — 2012-09-24T20:55:31

Here we go again,


Sure...actually this part of my comment was 'propaedeutical' to the one which follows.


...sometimes magic happens!

Simon


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Re: Remote attendees voice in the room

Simon Pietro Romano — 2012-09-24T20:50:29

Hello again,


I see. If this was the consensus, then my voice will keep on being "clamans in deserto" until last call.

Simon


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Re: Feedback on draft-ietf-genarea-rps-reqs-07

Simon Pietro Romano — 2012-09-24T20:45:18

Hi Paul,


:-) this is no news, indeed. People hardly ever respond to my "way-too-long" e-mails!



Agreed.

Simon


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Need for recordings of interims

Paul Hoffman — 2012-09-24T18:56:00


Because if an interim does not have a recording, it has a significant negative effect on the WG's progress.


How do you see that working? If there is an interim meeting that was not coordinated through the IETF Secretariat, how could the RPS "make recordings in an automated fashion"?

--Paul Hoffman

Editing slides in real time

Paul Hoffman — 2012-09-24T18:51:11


That's not how it is typically done in the IETF. Instead, people just start editing whatever they were presenting. If it is a Powerpoint presentation, they start editing in Powerpoint. If it's PDF, they give up.


That would restrict the current workflow that WGs often employ.

--Paul Hoffman