gmane.games.fps.halflife.hlds

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Giovanni Harting — 2013-06-19T07:55:46

At least these 55 servers [1] running on 1.5.5 didn't notice the update.
... but maybe they use it admin only....

Since 1.5.8 it adds the correct tags.

[1] http://www.sourcemod.net/stats.php?mod_id=0&addon_id=1957


2013/6/19 ics <ics< at >ics-base.net>

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

ics — 2013-06-19T04:53:40

Some servers even have custom built stuff in them.

I did a check just now. First 2 servers i ended up through quickplay are 
running instant spawn and are the same that i reported over a month ago. 
No one seems to read reports or do anything about these servers. Sad 
fact is that next 2 servers i ended up were mine. So these servers and 
communities that run them get the players by breaking the rules.

-ics

Ross Bemrose kirjoitti:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Todd Pettit — 2013-06-19T04:49:00

You don't think Valve should be reviewing the mailing list for admins?
It would be if this were a new issue. It has NEVER been policed. Some colossal sized communities with 80 sites were running the plugin version with the hint message popping up saying you will "respawn in 5 seconds" over and over on teams that should never respawn that fast. It obviously was reported a few hundred times at least. So discussing whether or not to ignore Valves policies which they ignore themselves is a perfectly valid conversation for the Admin mailing list, in my opinion.

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Subject: Re: [hlds_linux] Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Whoever started this needs some ointment for that butt hurt. Why don't you stop gossiping on the mailing list like old ladies and do something productive with your life.. or servers perhaps.

There is no reason why y'all need to argue on the mailing lost. Take it to Valve forums instead of here. It's immature, disrespectful and stupid.

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Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Supreet Sahni — 2013-06-19T04:41:06

Whoever started this needs some ointment for that butt hurt. Why don't you stop gossiping on the mailing list like old ladies and do something productive with your life.. or servers perhaps.

There is no reason why y'all need to argue on the mailing lost. Take it to Valve forums instead of here. It's immature, disrespectful and stupid.

Kind Regards,
Supreet

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Fernando Gritti — 2013-06-19T04:35:23

It's a shame, I would like to stick with the version 1.1.2.6
thanks for your help


2013/6/19 Nomaan Ahmad <n0man.zxc< at >gmail.com>

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Nomaan Ahmad — 2013-06-19T04:31:23

Well it seems quite old and maybe those binaries have been released in the
main branch now.

On 19 June 2013 05:26, Fernando Gritti <fernando.gritti< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Fernando Gritti — 2013-06-19T04:26:48

Linux files not available :( :( :( ;(


2013/6/19 Nomaan Ahmad <n0man.zxc< at >gmail.com>

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Nomaan Ahmad — 2013-06-19T03:59:50

Try this: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.games.fps.halflife.hlds/40340

On 19 June 2013 04:31, Fernando Gritti <fernando.gritti< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Fernando Gritti — 2013-06-19T03:31:01

Result:

{
"response": {
"success": true,
"servers": [

]

}
}


cannot see the server on internet list of steam



2013/6/18 Doctor McKay <mckay< at >doctormckay.com>

Re: Servers does not show up in Steam server list

Doctor McKay — 2013-06-19T02:32:56

Try using this Web API to see if your server is listed and why it might be
banned/excluded:
http://api.steampowered.com/ISteamApps/GetServersAtAddress/v0001?addr=<SERVER
IP HERE>&format=json



Doctor McKay
http://www.doctormckay.com
mckay< at >doctormckay.com


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:38 PM, Ronny Schedel <info< at >ronny-schedel.de>wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

1nsane — 2013-06-19T00:42:27

Indeed. Which is why valve could make use of the reporting system to keep
those kind of servers out. Whatever the reason being.

Those server admins won't learn until action gets taken. Doesn't matter if
they do it on purpose or just haven't updated their instant respawn plugin
in 2 years.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Ross Bemrose <rbemrose< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Ross Bemrose — 2013-06-19T00:38:49

As someone already pointed out, most have been unapproved or updated, 
but that doesn't make the older versions disappear.  Or from servers 
using the old versions intentionally, or just editing them to remove the 
sv_tags code.

On 6/18/2013 8:01 PM, 1nsane wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

1nsane — 2013-06-19T00:01:52

From what I saw the moderators at Sourcemod forums not approve (or even un
approve existing) plugins that don't set the tags when they do something
that should be tagged.

So perhaps if valve started using the reports that we send them (F7 and or
other means) they could do something about it.

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Ross Bemrose — 2013-06-18T23:40:44

The plugins that don't report the proper respawn time tags are likely 
manually respawning players and ignoring the respawn wave times 
entirely, so even if you could programmatically report back the respawn 
wave times, it's utterly useless.

On 6/18/2013 7:24 PM, Gordon Reynolds wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Gordon Reynolds — 2013-06-18T23:24:50

I would also like a response, but from a technical standpoint how do you go
about testing the respawn times without having to engineer some code that
can programmatically report back the respawn wave times? Seems like it's a
"problem" on the same level as having donor powers like glowing colors or
getting more crits than normal - something that's just really hard to
police in any sane way.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Abdulrahman Abdulkawi <abdulkawi< at >live.co.uk

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Abdulrahman Abdulkawi — 2013-06-18T23:11:36

Can we try to stay on the matter of the topic; this isn't about your opinions on what rate of respawn time is best.

Point is; will anything be done to those who do not set their sv_tags for respawntimes correctly. It is becoming more and more common that a quickplay user would expect fast respawns when using the quickplay system - thus causing 1. them to leave the server and 2. forcing server owners to do the same so we're able to compete.

What's it going to take to get a response from a Valve rep on this.

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Valentin G. — 2013-06-18T22:21:38

Instant respawning makes the game worse from a balance perspective. May
take you some time to realise but that's the truth.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 11:33 PM, DontWannaName! <admin< at >topnotchclan.com>wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Gordon Reynolds — 2013-06-18T22:22:50

No, I meant the kid that was saying most people want instant respawn times.
Because of that message I have reopened my investigations on the "punch
people in the face through the internet" machine.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 2:23 PM, ics <ics< at >ics-base.net> wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

DontWannaName! — 2013-06-18T21:33:22

Does anyone have examples of such servers, because I havent seen many.


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Gordon Reynolds <
thisisgordonsemail< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

ics — 2013-06-18T21:23:54

If you are talking to me, yeah i have actually tried balancing few maps 
for TF2 with respawn waves set by the map. The whole instant spawn ruins 
most maps completely as they become unbeatable.

-ics

Gordon Reynolds kirjoitti:

Re: Policy of Truth: Respawn Times

Gordon Reynolds — 2013-06-18T20:47:33

I would keep using the default respawn times because it makes a huge
difference in map balance?

Why is this even a question, have you ever tried to balance a map for TF2,
or any game with respawn waves, or are you one of those people who, upon
dying, frantically just clicks their mouse in a silent building rage in
some attempt to spawn faster?


On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 1:43 PM, DontWannaName! <admin< at >topnotchclan.com>wrote: