gmane.emacs.eev.devel

Re: Interacting with SQL servers

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-12T11:35:55

Hi Xavier, if you are starting some kind of inferior-sql-mode from an sql buffer then there are at least two ways to automate this in a way that other people can understand easily... (1) if you are doing this by typing, say, C-f M-o M-o, then a sexp like this (note that is it in an sql comment) can function as a "hyperlink to the effect of typing C-f M-o M-o": -- (eek "C-f M-o M-o") (2) you can invoke the function directly: ---- (find-efunction 'sql-sqlite) -- (sql-sqlite) I tried to run `sql-sqlite' from a file with some sqlite commands, but I didn't get very far - it even asked for a username and password, which in sqlite's case doesn't make much sense... Can you provide more information about how do to things "in the standard way"?... As I've told you, I have used SQL very very little... 8-\ Also, how do you set the name of the database, of the client program, etc? Do you use a "Local variables:" section in your files? Take a look at this, please... http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.html#sql-mode I am very interested in supporting SQL, too. Cheers, Edrx

manpages from remote machines

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-12T11:00:41

Hi Xavier, You can use something like this... (defun find-netbsdman (manpage &rest rest) (let ((buffername (format "*netbsdman: %s*" manpage)) (format-string "ssh edrx< at >caramelo \"sh -c 'PAGER=cat man %s'\"") (command (format format-string manpage))) (apply 'find-eoutput-reuse buffername `(progn (insert (find-sh0 ,command)) (Man-fontify-manpage)) rest))) Note that the name of the remote machine is fixed ("caramelo"), and that you will need to be able to run commands on the remote mahine using ssh without it asking for a password... this is what I use to make ssh copy the adequate authorization keys: # (find-man "1 ssh-copy-id") # (find-man "1 ssh") # (find-fline "~/.ssh/") # (find-sh "locate ssh-copy-id") # (find-fline "/usr/bin/ssh-copy-id") ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub edrx< at >caramelo ssh-copy-id -i ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub edrx< at >dekooning And here are some definitions to make it easier to access files on remote machines (here for dekooning, not for caramelo): ;; (find-dekooningfile "") (code-c-d "dekooning" "/scp:edrxbash< at >dekooning:/home/edrx/") (defun eepitch-dekooning () (interactive) (eepitch '(find-comintprocess "dekooning" "ssh edrx< at >dekooning"))) (defun eexterm-dekooning () (eexterm "dekooning" "ssh edrx< at >dekooning")) ;; (find-node "(tramp)Password caching" "`password-cache-expiry'") (setq password-cache-expiry nil) A subtlety: tramp doesn't like my default zsh prompt, so I created a second login ("edrxbash") on dekooning with the same uid and gid as "edrx"... Cheers, Edrx

Success !

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:14

Hi, Just a quick message to say how thankful I am to all of you. I have successfully done my *real* first e-script in the *real* life. The job was way way easier to do with eepitch-shell than if I had to type all again by hand. I successfully migrated an Oracle Dataguard from one machine to another with very few keystrokes !! Thank you. Xavier

Questions

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:16

Hi, Is there an easy way to the equivalent (find-man "blah") remotely instead of the current machine ? For the e-script needs I mentionned earlier, I typed my commands through eepitch-shell on a HP-UX commands which had different commands than the one I am using here. For example, (find-man "newfs") could not work on my notebook whereas it could have been on the remote host. Any clue ? Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:17

Hi Nikos, > in emacs22 and higher f3 is by default bound to > "kmacro-start-macro-or-insert-counter", a very convenient key IMHO. > Unfortunately this binding conflicts with eev that bounds that key > to "eeb-default". I use kboard macros all the time and I've grown > accustomed to the f3 key so every time I (re-)install eev I cancel > this binding and bound "eeb-default" to f7 instead. I wonder > whether you could change this eev binding "officially". Lots of people (4, maybe even 5) have already told me that eev's keys collide with standard keys that they find useful... and indeed, eev binds keys that the Elisp manual says that no standard minor mode should bind... 8-( The solely keys that collide are M-1 and friends here (it collides with my WM actually). I will have to either bind these keys elsewhere or change my WM settings. Anyway, that's not a big deal whatever I choose to change. Regards Xavier

Re: Interacting with SQL servers

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-12T00:00:21

Hi Xavier, > Though I still do not see how to interact with my sql servers via > simple ptys (for eev). can you check if this makes sense, and report back? http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.html#sqlite3 http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e These make sense but I will probably have to write something agains sql-mode since I do not see the advantage to use eepitch-shell here given the fact sql-mode is a frontend to many SGBD including Oracle, Sybase, mysql, ... This is on my *very* high priority todo list. Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-09T12:52:30

"Eduardo Ochs" public.gmane.org> writes: Oh, I hadn't noticed that. I will do that for now. Thanks for the pointer. Thanks, Nikos

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-09T01:16:43

Pretty sure, if we put aside questions about the existential ontology of such abstract entities as keybindings and conflicts between them, of course ;). (find-elifile "kmacro.el.gz" "[f3]") Nikos

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-09T00:00:07

Hello group, in emacs22 and higher f3 is by default bound to "kmacro-start-macro-or-insert-counter", a very convenient key IMHO. Unfortunately this binding conflicts with eev that bounds that key to "eeb-default". I use kboard macros all the time and I've grown accustomed to the f3 key so every time I (re-)install eev I cancel this binding and bound "eeb-default" to f7 instead. I wonder whether you could change this eev binding "officially". I do not have this conflict here. Are you sure it exists ? Xavier

Re: F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-08T22:00:28

Hi Nikos, Lots of people (4, maybe even 5) have already told me that eev's keys collide with standard keys that they find useful... and indeed, eev binds keys that the Elisp manual says that no standard minor mode should bind... 8-( Moving eev's to is a good idea, but what I think that we *really* need is a way to make these keybindings easier to change. Some comments in eev.el suggest a way: (find-eevfile "eev.el" "set up your own keymaps") but people who do that may end up with keymaps that are very different from the other users' keymaps, and communicating with these people via IRC or mail or whatever becomes very tricky... I thought a bit about having two different "eev-mode"s, one using the standard keymap, another using an alternate keymap, but never tried to implement that... Here's an idea for an implementation (untested): ;; See: (find-eevfile "eev.el" "\n(if eev-mode-map") ;; (setq my-eev-mode-map (make-sparse-keymap)) (define-key my-eev-mode-map "\M-e" 'eek-eval-sexp-eol) ; extends C-e C-x C-e ;; ... ;; See: (find-eevfile "eev.el" "define-minor-mode eev-mode") ;; (define-minor-mode my-eev-mode "Like `eev-mode', but using `my-eev-mode-map' instead of `eev-mode-map'." :init-value nil :global t (if my-eev-mode (eev-mode-global-settings-set) (eev-mode-global-settings-restore))) Thanks for the feedback, and happy hacking, Edrx

F3 binding conflict in emacs22

Nikos Apostolakis — 2008-04-08T16:49:37

Interacting with SQL servers

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:27:00

Hi Xavier, can you check if this makes sense, and report back? http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e.html#sqlite3 http://angg.twu.net/e/sqlite.e Cheers, TIA, Edrx

Re: `ee' with history

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:22:50

Hi Xavier, "print -s" is a zshism... see: (find-node "(zsh)Shell Builtin Commands" "\nprint" "-s") It says: "-s: Place the results in the history list instead of on the standard output." I prefer to keep the old "ee" and Rubikitch's trick in two separate functions: # See: # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#ee # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#eeh # http://angg.twu.net/.zshrc.html#hh function ee () { set -v; . $EE$*; set +v; } function eeh () { print -s -f "%s" "$(cat $EE)"; echo "(Added to history:)"; cat $EE; } When I type "eeh" on a zsh prompt the contents of the $EE file are pushed into the history instead of executed - and then by using I can edit them at the shell prompt, and using "hh" I can save the last commands in the history to a temporary file that I can edit in Emacs... I am not planning to make the version with "print -s" standard, but that trick will be mentioned in the info docs. Cheers, Edrx

Re: Difference between eechannel-xterm and eebg-channel-xterm

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-06T06:17:21

Hi Xavier, You asked about the difference between `eechannel-xterm' and `eebg-channel-xterm'... They are the same. `eebg-channel-xterm' is an obsolete name, from a time in which very few eev functions started programs running in the background... Now the prefix `eebg-' is deprecated... You found it at "eev-steps.el", wasn't that it? (find-eev "eev-steps.el") http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-steps.el http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-steps.el.html The definitions in that file are obsolete, and they are overridden by the ones in "eev-mini-steps.el"... (find-eev "eev-mini-steps.el") http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-mini-steps.el http://angg.twu.net/eev-current/eev-mini-steps.el.html I have just uploaded a new tarball of eev-current with new versions of "eev-steps.el" and "eev-mini-steps.el", with better comments, and a few new docstrings... can you update your eev-current, take a look, and check if they make (more) sense now? Cheers, Edrx P.S.: I can't update the html versions of the .el files now - I haven't been able to fix htmlize.el - so they will be out of sync for some time more...

Re: Re: any people around ?

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-06T00:00:07

Xavier Maillard public.gmane.org> writes: > Please get back to us so we can discuss tips and tricks about > eev. Did you all quit ? Not at all! Do you have a website where you put some of your e-scripts ? I would like to see some sort of a webring around eev since I think it is pretty unknown in the emacs community. Maybe it could help other people to get help on that topic. Xavier

Re: `ee' with history

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-05T00:00:14

Hi, I redefined `ee' to place the contents of $EE in the history list. function ee () { set -v; print -s -f "%s" "`cat $EE`"; . $EE $*; set +v; } I am late on this but how do I use it ? Where should I put this ? Is this part of the official eev package (now) ? Do you have an answer to this (simplistic) question ? Regards, Xavier

Re: any people around ?

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-05T00:00:06

From: Xavier Maillard public.gmane.org> Subject: [eev] any people around ? Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 08:04:31 +0200 > This is a control message to check that I am not alone on this > mailing list :) Hi, Eev is my partner. I always embed sexps in any configuration files. Eev is slowly becoming my partner too :) I am trying to embed it everywhere including my new note-taking partner: howm. It has replaced org-mode in the area of note-taking. I like the concept to take fragmented notes and not having to bare in mind how to organize it. An idea ? Howm is not far away. howm + eev is my winner association. [BTW, are there any howm users reading this list ?] Though I still do not see how to interact with my sql servers via simple ptys (for eev). Good to see someone is reading the list. Xavier

Re: any people around ?

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-05T00:00:02

Hi - I am not dead, just hiding, studying for an exam... 8-| No problem. On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Xavier Maillard public.gmane.org> wrote: > Hi, > > This is a control message to check that I am not alone on this > mailing list :) > > Please get back to us so we can discuss tips and tricks about > eev. Did you all quit ? Xavier, I thought about a kind of "full answer" to your questions, but it would take pages!... It would be better if we could chat a bit - or at least bounce a handful of low-quality (not eev-list grade) short messages back and forth privately between us - so that I can find out what you know and what you don't, suggest ways to proceed, and show some examples... I suggest Jabber then as I am present on IRC at rare occasions. My jabber id is in the mail header. Here is an idea that occurred to me yesterday, after a chat with a real-life friend: (define-key eev-mode-map (kbd "M-h M-e") (lambda () (interactive) (find-efunctiondescr 'eev-mode))) Note that then you get a help page about eev by typing M-h M-e, and then you can get rid of it with M-k... I like it. Xavier

Difference between eechannel-xterm and eebg-channel-xterm

Xavier Maillard — 2008-04-05T00:00:07

Hi, I am not sure I see differences between these two items. Can you explain it to me ? Regards, Xavier

Re: any people around ?

Jesse Alama — 2008-04-04T21:08:26

Not at all!

Re: any people around ?

Eduardo Ochs — 2008-04-02T15:58:41

Hi - I am not dead, just hiding, studying for an exam... 8-| On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 3:04 AM, Xavier Maillard public.gmane.org> wrote: Xavier, I thought about a kind of "full answer" to your questions, but it would take pages!... It would be better if we could chat a bit - or at least bounce a handful of low-quality (not eev-list grade) short messages back and forth privately between us - so that I can find out what you know and what you don't, suggest ways to proceed, and show some examples... Here is an idea that occurred to me yesterday, after a chat with a real-life friend: (define-key eev-mode-map (kbd "M-h M-e") (lambda () (interactive) (find-efunctiondescr 'eev-mode))) Note that then you get a help page about eev by typing M-h M-e, and then you can get rid of it with M-k... This needs to be made better - I need to add at least a few links like these: (find-eev "eev-steps.el") (find-eev "eev-mini-steps.el") (find-eev "") to the docstring, and select some examples... Btw: I've started to convert to texinfo - a full conversion is going to be very tricky, as the e-scripts in the info version ought to work from the info pages themselves, without the need for copying them out and unindenting... and some glyphs are problematic... Sorry... 8-( more later, Edrx