http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/912 <pre> No, sorry. It seems that generating a loadable module on Cygwin requires some trick on using libtool. I googled several pages, but at the moment, no solution presented on the pages work. :-( Don't you know any small example source package that uses libtool to generate a loadable module on Cygwin? Thank you. --- Kenichi Handa handa&lt; at &gt;m17n.org </pre> Kenichi Handa 2011-11-01T02:42:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/911 <pre>Hello Kenichi, On 2011/10/11 17:11, Kenichi Handa wrote: Have you made any progress on this? Anything I can do to help? One more point: In the menus, there is some inconsistency between "Multilingual Environment" (without hyphen) and "Show Multi-lingual Text" (with hyphen). Regards, Martin. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-31T10:26:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/910 <pre> Thank you! I've never tested m17n-lib, etc, on Cygwin and thus there may be many problems that have not yet been found. I'll at first install Cygwin on my Windows machine, check m17n-lib, etc, and get back to you. --- Kenichi Handa handa&lt; at &gt;m17n.org </pre> Kenichi Handa 2011-10-11T08:11:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/909 <pre> Currently working on this. Here are some additional comments: - In m17n-db, in README, it talks about ./get-glibc.sh, and separately about ./bootstrap.sh and .configure. But when I run ./get-glibc.sh, I get told that I can now run make (and it looks as if ./configure is already done). So, both for the case of downloading from CVS and otherwise, what is the relationship between ./get-glibc.sh and ./bootstrap.sh and ./configure? - In m17n-lib, in README, it says "Ubunto" when it probably should say "Ubuntu". - In m17n-lib, in README, many additional libraries are required (libxml2, fribidi, freetype,...). It would be good if these were mentioned directly in the INSTALL file of Emacs, to get the full picture. - In m17n-lib, for ./configure, I get the following error: ./configure: line 19740: syntax error near unexpected token `ANTHY,' ./configure: line 19740: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ANTHY, anthy, HAVE_ANTHY=yes, HAVE_ANTHY=no)' This is independent of whether I have installed anthy or not (first I hadn't installed it, then I installed it because I thought the error would go away, but it didn't work). What works (at least to the extent that it doesn't produce error messages) is to comment out that line. In addition, one has to comment out all other lines that call PKG_CHECK_MODULES. I'm attaching a diff of my changes as configure.diff. Of course this is no real solution. It would be great if there were a better solution. - When doing 'make' for m17n-lib, I get the following kind of warnings: *** Warning: This system can not link to static lib archive /usr/local/lib/libotf.la. *** I have the capability to make that library automatically link in when *** you link to this library. But I can only do this if you have a *** shared version of the library, which you do not appear to have. The exact same warning for: libm17n-core, libm17n, libm17n-flt. Later there are some more warnings that are a bit more extensive, and then also some error messages about undefined references. I'm not sure why e.g. for libotf, only a static library is being built when a dynamic one is needed. Any help is appreciated. Regards, Martin. *** configure2011-10-11 16:05:39.363710700 +0900 --- configure.back2011-09-22 14:55:21.317860700 +0900 *************** *** 19737,19743 **** ! # PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ANTHY, anthy, HAVE_ANTHY=yes, HAVE_ANTHY=no) if test "x$HAVE_ANTHY" = "xyes"; then $as_echo "#define HAVE_ANTHY 1" &gt;&gt;confdefs.h --- 19737,19743 ---- ! PKG_CHECK_MODULES(ANTHY, anthy, HAVE_ANTHY=yes, HAVE_ANTHY=no) if test "x$HAVE_ANTHY" = "xyes"; then $as_echo "#define HAVE_ANTHY 1" &gt;&gt;confdefs.h *************** *** 19794,19801 **** fi ! # PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBTHAI, libthai, HAVE_LIBTHAI=yes, HAVE_LIBTHAI=no) ! # PKG_CHECK_MODULES(WORDCUT, wordcut, HAVE_WORDCUT=yes, HAVE_WORDCUT=no) if test "x$HAVE_LIBTHAI" == "xyes"; then --- 19794,19801 ---- fi ! PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBTHAI, libthai, HAVE_LIBTHAI=yes, HAVE_LIBTHAI=no) ! PKG_CHECK_MODULES(WORDCUT, wordcut, HAVE_WORDCUT=yes, HAVE_WORDCUT=no) if test "x$HAVE_LIBTHAI" == "xyes"; then *************** *** 19821,19827 **** fi rm -f conftest.err conftest.i conftest.$ac_ext if test "x$HAVE_WORDCUT" = "xno"; then ! # PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GLIB_2_0, glib-2.0, HAVE_GLIB_2_0=yes, HAVE_GLIB_2_0=no) if test "x$HAVE_GLIB_2_0" = "xyes"; then CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $GLIB_2_0_CFLAGS" cat confdefs.h - &lt;&lt;_ACEOF &gt;conftest.$ac_ext --- 19821,19827 ---- fi rm -f conftest.err conftest.i conftest.$ac_ext if test "x$HAVE_WORDCUT" = "xno"; then ! PKG_CHECK_MODULES(GLIB_2_0, glib-2.0, HAVE_GLIB_2_0=yes, HAVE_GLIB_2_0=no) if test "x$HAVE_GLIB_2_0" = "xyes"; then CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS $GLIB_2_0_CFLAGS" cat confdefs.h - &lt;&lt;_ACEOF &gt;conftest.$ac_ext _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-11T07:31:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/908 <pre> As Handa-san points out, you need to install additional libraries and reconfigure and rebuild Emacs with them, to get Arabic shaping to work. The native Windows version uses a different shaping engine, called Uniscribe. That engine supports all the features Emacs needs, including Arabic shaping, in a single DLL which comes with the OS. I guess no one made the Cygwin port of X use Uniscribe, which is why you need those additional libraries that provide an equivalent functionality on Posix systems. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-10-11T06:32:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/907 <pre>Hello Kenichi, On 2011/10/11 14:20, Kenichi Handa wrote: Good to know, thanks. Thanks for this information. I'll try it again. Also, the fact that for Emacs itself, the real information is in INSTALL, but for m17n-db, m17n-lib, and libotf, INSTALL had just some generic information, but very specific information (e.g. to run ./autogen.sh when downloading from cvs) was in README, was confusing. It might be a good idea to add a sentence "Check README for specifics." after the sentence "These are generic installation instructions." in INSTALL. Many thanks in advance. Regards, Martin. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-11T05:29:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/906 <pre> No, intlfonts is not related to CTL (Complex Text Layout). Ah, no, libotf should be installed first. Otherwise, m17n-lib doesn't utilize libotf, and thus provides very limitted CTL support. I'll fix INSTALL soon. Right. I'll work on this problem. --- Kenichi Handa handa&lt; at &gt;m17n.org </pre> Kenichi Handa 2011-10-11T05:20:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/905 <pre>Hello Kenichi, On 2011/10/11 11:27, Kenichi Handa wrote: I installed m17n-db, m17n-lib, and libotf, as indicated in the INSTALL file. I also installed intlfonts, afterwards. But that didn't help. Maybe I should have installed intlfonts before? There are several details in INSTALL that could make things easier: - Mention additional distribution files upfront. In particular people who are not very good at English will read it slowly, and proceed as they read the file. - If possible, integrate these various packages with Emacs itself. There may be copyright problems to not have things in the same repository, but I don't see a problem with making them external libraries in the repository so that they get downloaded automatically, and automating the make process. If we say "Emacs does complex scripts." and "Emacs does bidi.", then that should be the default, not some "additional distribution files" option. - For m17n-db, m17n-lib, and libotf, mention that they should be installed in that order. Currently, it looks like they are independent, which they aren't. - The section on intlfonts says "If you see a non-ASCII character appear as a hollow box...". These days, characters with missing glyphs are displayed as a box with a number, so the text should be adapted here, I guess. No, sorry, it didn't change. For the record, I have to say that I'm very pleased with how far Emacs has come with respect to Unicode, bidi, and related stuff! Regards, Martin. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-11T04:31:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/904 <pre> On Cygwin, perhaps you must install m17n-lib, etc. Please see the section "* Complex Text Layout support libraries" in the file INSTALL. That's is a known problem. Does the situation change when you do C-x RET L Japanese RET? --- Kenichi Handa handa&lt; at &gt;m17n.org </pre> Kenichi Handa 2011-10-11T02:27:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/903 <pre>In the meantime, I have added all the Cygwin font packages that I possibly could. The situation improved. Arabic letters are now shown, in the right RTL order. But they are not connected. Hindi (i.e. Devanagari) seems to have similar problems. On the other hand, these work fine in the Windows version. The only problem that I found in the Windows version is that U+30FC (Katakana length mark) doesn't show (it's just a box with the number 30FC), even though the rest of Japanese works well. Regards, Martin. On 2011/10/10 22:10, mhibti&lt; at &gt;free.fr wrote: _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-11T01:45:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/902 <pre> The hello message is OK for me at least for non asian (arabic and hebrew are ok). Only for those languages I don't have fontsets I got the boxes. It seems to me normal. For some windows configurations these fonts are not installed by default. ----- Mail original ----- De: "Eli Zaretskii" &lt;eliz&lt; at &gt;gnu.org&gt; À: mhibti&lt; at &gt;free.fr Cc: emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org, duerst&lt; at &gt;it.aoyama.ac.jp Envoyé: Lundi 10 Octobre 2011 11:29:51 Objet: Re: [emacs-bidi] missing fonts for bidi Emacs on cygwin The obvious example is etc/HELLO. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> mhibti< at >free.fr 2011-10-10T13:10:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/901 <pre> The obvious example is etc/HELLO. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-10-10T09:29:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/900 <pre>Dear All, I have tried the binaries on a VM. All the available fonts work for emacs. May be if you have any example I can try. Best regads, Mohamed ----- Mail original ----- De: "Eli Zaretskii" &lt;eliz&lt; at &gt;gnu.org&gt; À: "Martin J. Dürst" &lt;duerst&lt; at &gt;it.aoyama.ac.jp&gt; Cc: emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org Envoyé: Lundi 3 Octobre 2011 12:14:33 Objet: Re: [emacs-bidi] missing fonts for bidi Emacs on cygwin I suggest to ask this on emacs-devel and perhaps also on the Cygwin list. I don't know how to set up fonts for Cygwin, perhaps it is not enough to have the fonts installed for native Windows applications. (Cygwin uses X Windows, which could look for fonts in places other than where the native apps do.) _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> mhibti< at >free.fr 2011-10-10T08:26:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/899 <pre> I suggest to ask this on emacs-devel and perhaps also on the Cygwin list. I don't know how to set up fonts for Cygwin, perhaps it is not enough to have the fonts installed for native Windows applications. (Cygwin uses X Windows, which could look for fonts in places other than where the native apps do.) _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-10-03T10:14:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/898 <pre>I have installed Emacs for Windows (GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7601) of 2011-09-19) from the alpha directory (Sept. 2011 version). With very few exceptions (Burmese, Oriya, half-width kana), I can see all text, bidi-display-reordering is t by default, and bidi reordering works at least for the שלום and السّلام عليكم examples in the "Show Multi-lingual Text" page. I have also compiled Emacs on Cygwin (GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i686-pc-cygwin, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2011-09-24) from bzr. I have followed the instructions in the INSTALL file, including the additions for complex layout, and the intlfonts. Again, bidi-display-reordering is t by default, and I get שלום correctly, but otherwise, not too many fonts are working, I get a lot of boxes with four hex characters, in particular also for Arabic. Any advice? Regards, Martin. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Martin J. Dürst 2011-10-03T09:51:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/897 <pre> The file is now committed. I needed to fix a couple of typos in the doc strings, and also this line in the hebrew-biblical-sil input method: ("`-" ?—) ; Em Dash It originally said ("`-" ?–—) ; Em Dash i.e. 2 characters after the ?, which the ELisp reader obviously didn't like. Let me know if my correction was incorrect. Thanks again for this great addition. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-07-23T17:34:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/896 <pre> Yes please Thank you </pre> Yair F 2011-06-14T14:23:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/895 <pre> Thanks. I see your assignment on file with FSF. Does that mean the legal issues are taken care of, and we can include your contributions in Emacs? I will take a look when I have time, if no one else will. Thanks. </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-06-13T16:53:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/894 <pre> Sorry about that, I've been occupied and didn't have as much time as I wanted to give to these. Anyway, Attached is the file. I now also includes latest SI-1452 keyboard layout draft. I haven't been able to test it as much as I wanted, but it looks OK. I also appreciate if someone can review the royal Yiddish method as well. _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Yair F 2011-06-13T05:58:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/893 <pre> Any news on this? If the copyright transfer is not yet possible, any estimation on where it will be? Emacs 24.1 is about to enter pretest by the end of this month, with feature freeze at that time or shortly afterwards. So if we want these input methods to be part of Emacs 24.1, now is the time to add them to the Emacs repository. Thanks in advance. (I was reminded of their absence the other day when I needed to type Hebrew diacritics for my on-going work on bidirectional editing support in Emacs. Paradoxically, this is dirt-easy on Windows, but hard when I'm logged into a GNU/Linux machine via PuTTY.) </pre> Eli Zaretskii 2011-06-11T08:52:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bidi/887 <pre>On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:52, Mohsen BANAN &lt;list-general&lt; at &gt;mohsen.1.banan.byname.net&gt; wrote: Adding (setq-default bidi-display-reordering t) to your .emacs should be enough.     Juanma _______________________________________________ emacs-bidi mailing list emacs-bidi&lt; at &gt;gnu.org https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-bidi </pre> Juanma Barranquero 2011-04-28T01:21:08 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.emacs.bidi