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Re: Book dominoes

Robert Mead-Donaldson — 2013-06-19T01:23:35

back in 2006 I bought a mess of books at a county library sale..in Perry
Florida.
25 cents each, or was it 50,  they could have charged more... sold them too
cheap.

that was quite a show.... the "domino effect"

"I've never seen anything like it."     Alien, 1979


2013/6/18 Galen Charlton <gmc-DI3WXjSZzk1VtazZjgo0Tw< at >public.gmane.org>


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Re: Book dominoes

Galen Charlton — 2013-06-19T01:09:33

Hi,

On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Cathy O'Donnell
<CODonnell-nu+KFJpCEjQOhGEC5zRQvWVsRYzCPl+z< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

They're all destined for an upcoming book sale, so no need to reshelve
them.  More details can be found in SPL's news release:

http://www.spl.org/about-the-library/library-news-releases/book-domino-record-531

Regards,

Galen
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Re: Book dominoes

Cathy O'Donnell — 2013-06-19T00:14:23

If staff were lucky all the books were discards and didn't need to be reshelved.

Cathy A O'Donnell
Cataloging Specialist
Reading & Materials

Pierce County Library System
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guess that's one thing you can't do with ebooks......or even paperbacks...

who gets to pick up all those books?


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Re: help with Iranian heading

Avetyan, Nora — 2013-06-18T23:44:40

The transliteration on the Wikipedia is not in accordance with the LC transliteration. The word انقلاب means revolution in Persian and it is transliterated as Inqilāb. The Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Inqilāb-i Islāmī  began as the voluntary army after the Iranian Revolution.  That were also played an essential role during the Iran-Iraq war. 

The information in the Wikipedia is not incorrect, references in both records point to the same corporate body, but the transliteration is problematic in 010 n2012044237 Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran). The word Ubqilāb is incorrect and misspelled.

I hope this is a better explanation and I hope it helps.
Best,
Nora


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According to a friend that is the "Army of the Guardians the Islamic Revolution." On Wikipedia it says it is a branch of Iran's military.

She isn't 100% because it is difficult for her read Persian when it is written like that instead of its proper way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_the_Guardians_of_the_Islamic_Revolution
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Subject: [ACAT] help with Iranian heading

Hello

I have found 2 records in OCLC authority file that seem to be for the same entity, but I lack any knowledge of the language.

010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

And

010 n 81142190
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Inqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)


While the references on each record are not identical, they seem to refer to the same group.  Are these duplicate references or are they different entities, and if so, can someone make it clear what the difference is?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mary Tilley
Authority specialist
University of Nebraska—Lincoln libraries



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Re: Book dominoes

Robert Mead-Donaldson — 2013-06-18T23:48:29

guess that's one thing you can't do with ebooks......or even paperbacks...

who gets to pick up all those books?


2013/6/18 J. McRee Elrod <mac-VCPFylJv6eD3fQ9qLvQP4Q< at >public.gmane.org>


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Book dominoes

J. McRee Elrod — 2013-06-18T23:37:19

It's not Froday, but this is too good not to share.

Perhaps you should not try this in your cataloguing
department.

http://mashable.com/2013/06/17/longest-book-chain/


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Zinio in the catalog

Brian Briscoe — 2013-06-18T21:41:25

Honorable catalogers,

We are subscribing to Zinio's downloadable magazine service for our
library's users. I am sure we aren't the first.

Would those of you experienced subscribers please share how you are
handling the cataloging of the individual titles in your collections? Are
you creating individual title records and putting them in your catalog? Are
you buying records from an outside source?

I need to make a decision soon so that we can provide catalog access for
our users.

Thank you.

Re: 264

Julie Moore — 2013-06-18T21:05:53

Do the ending punctuation help the end user? No.

But I need to know this level of detail -- if I should put it or not -- so
that I can be able to teach others how to catalog correctly.

Best wishes,
Julie Moore
Fresno State




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Re: help with Iranian heading

Avetyan, Nora — 2013-06-18T18:58:48

Hello,

Sorry, I meant, this record is misspelled and should be deleted.
010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

And this one is correct
010 n 81142190
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Inqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

Best,
Nora

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Subject: [ACAT] help with Iranian heading

Hello

I have found 2 records in OCLC authority file that seem to be for the same entity, but I lack any knowledge of the language.

010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

And

010 n 81142190
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Inqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)


While the references on each record are not identical, they seem to refer to the same group.  Are these duplicate references or are they different entities, and if so, can someone make it clear what the difference is?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mary Tilley
Authority specialist
University of Nebraska—Lincoln libraries



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Re: RDA cataloging without the rda field in the cataloging

Mark K. Ehlert — 2013-06-18T20:02:50


Yes.  So called "hybrid records."  They're mentioned in the OCLC RDA Policy
document:
<http://www.oclc.org/rda/new-policy.en.html>

There's also a report issued by a PCC task force:
<
http://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/RDA%20Task%20groups%20and%20charges/PCC-Hybrid-Bib-Rec-Guidelines-TG-Report.docx

So far I haven't encountered any formal hold-my-hand cheat-sheet inform us
what RDA bits are okay to stuff into non-RDA records; the PCC report above
I believe supplies only recommendations rather than outlines any formal
policy at this point in time.

RDA cataloging without the rda field in the cataloging

Gene Fieg — 2013-06-18T19:54:35

I have recently seen some cataloging that looks like RDA, but it is not so
designated.  The 33X fields, the spelling out of "pages",etc.

I know we can use the 33x field without designating it as a RDA.  But I am
beginning to see more than a few of them.
Anyone else?

Versions of other scriptures than the Bible

Gene Fieg — 2013-06-18T19:46:57

AACR2 25.18 deals with versions of the Bible and one thing that was allowed
was to use the translator as a name for the version.

In RDA, has that idea been broadened to include non-biblical religious
texts of other religions.  For instance could we have Quran. English. Abdel
Haleem ?

Re: series in RDA

Kevin M Randall — 2013-06-18T19:46:01

Brian McCafferty wrote:


Series *statements* are Core in RDA.  But series access points are not.  If the manifestation has evidence that the resource is part of a series, but information about that is left out of the description, that is an error.


If a series is being traced, it should be in the form given in the series authority record, in an 8XX field.  Relationship designators in subfield $e should be used in name access points only; they should not be used in name/title access points.

Kevin M. Randall
Principal Serials Cataloger
Northwestern University Library
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Re: MARC21 classification format

Giles Martin — 2013-06-18T19:41:19

As far as I am aware, only two organisations are using the MARC Classification Format, and it's not really "in their ILS".  The two are the Library of Congress, which uses it to maintain the LC Classification, and OCLC, which uses it to maintain the Dewey Decimal Classification (DDC).
Giles Martin
(retired assistant editor of DDC)

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Hi,

Back in 2006 Anders Ringer asked the following question:

It looks like this question didn't get any response to the list then.
I'm also curious to know whether any libraries are actively using the
MARC21 classification format.  I would also like to get my hands on a
sample of classification records if anybody is willing to share.

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Re: 264

James Weinheimer — 2013-06-18T19:19:47

<snip>
</snip>

As I have mentioned before,  these sorts of questions should not be
limited to the 264. Sooner or later, the question "does this kind of
detail serve the end-user" definitely will have to be asked seriously as
well as answered seriously.

And yes, there are many types of "end-users".

Re: series in RDA

Brian McCafferty — 2013-06-18T19:11:14

Bryan,
The corporate series in question is: no2009076628, Westdeutscher Rundfunk. $t Cologne broadcasts. In this case the "main entry" of the bib record is for the content of the recording. What I don't understand is why the 710 and "$e sponsoring body."  

I'm assuming that for some obsessing over the coding in RDA is a distraction from the bibliographic content of the records they're creating.
Brian

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On Tuesday, June 18, 2013 1:17 PM, Brian McCafferty wrote:

It is no more optional under RDA than it was under AACR2. If a legitimate series statement is on the item in hand, then there should at least be a 490 in the record.

I'm not completely clear on the question without seeing the specific example, but it seems as though a 110$a$t-based authorized series should have a 110 main entry-based bibliographic record; so if the main entry in the bibliographic record is the title or personal name, the series should probably be established using the title as main entry (with an optional variant access point 410 [corporate name].$t[series title].)

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
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Re: series in RDA

Bryan Baldus — 2013-06-18T18:41:27

It is no more optional under RDA than it was under AACR2. If a legitimate series statement is on the item in hand, then there should at least be a 490 in the record.


I'm not completely clear on the question without seeing the specific example, but it seems as though a 110$a$t-based authorized series should have a 110 main entry-based bibliographic record; so if the main entry in the bibliographic record is the title or personal name, the series should probably be established using the title as main entry (with an optional variant access point 410 [corporate name].$t[series title].)

I hope this helps,

Bryan Baldus
Senior Cataloger
Quality Books Inc.
The Best of America's Independent Presses
1-800-323-4241x402
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OCLC *767570649 (below)

Gene Fieg — 2013-06-18T18:30:14

Please note the record below for those who have this book.

First of all, the author is Suyuti, 1445-1505.  This is confirmed by the
fact that work in the in the 240 is attached to him and not to the author
in cited in the bib. record.

Secondly, the author has not been transcribed completely in the 245.  It
should be Jalal-al-Din 'Abd al-Rahman al Suyuti (the name is preceded by
"imam", omitted since it is religious title.)

So you may want to take a look at your bib records on this; I note that
some important universities already have this book.  Maybe they found the
same things I found.




BTCTA ǂb eng ǂc BTCTA ǂd YDXCP ǂd INU ǂd PAU ǂd OCLCQ ǂd OCLCO
020  9781859642429
020  185964242X
0411 eng ǂh ara
050 4BP130 ǂb .S913 2011
08204297.1226 ǂ2 23
090  ǂb
049  CSTM
1001 Al-Suyūṭi, 'Allāma Jalāl Al-Dīn.
24010Itqān fī ʻulūm al-Qurʼān. ǂl English
24514The perfect guide to the sciences of the Qur'an = ǂb Al-itqan fi 'ulum
al-Qur'an. ǂn volume 1 / ǂc Jalāl Al-Dīn Al-Suyūṭi ; translated by
Ḥamid Algar, Michael Schub and Ayman Abdel Ḥaleem ; reviewed by Osman
S.A. Ismāʻīl A. al-Bīlī.
24611Itqan fi 'ulum al-Qur'an
250  1st ed.

series in RDA

Brian McCafferty — 2013-06-18T18:17:28

I'm not practicing RDA and so not inclined to delve too much into it. But lately I've been seeing more RDA copy, and I would like to understand what's going on with series. Last week I encountered several records where the series information was left out altogether. Is series information optional in RDA?

And today I encountered a series with an authority record showing it as a corporate entry with a series title. But in the RDA record this is "traced" as a 710 with a $e "sponsoring body". What's this about?

Brian McCafferty
Wabash College

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Roommate found

Furniss, Kevin A — 2013-06-18T17:39:51

Ladies and gentlemen, we have a winner!

KF

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Apologies for cross-posting.

Greetings everyone.

Due to a family situation my roommate is unable to attend the ALA Annual Conference in Chicago.  I have a room booked from Thursday, June 27th through Tuesday, July 2nd at the W Chicago City Center (http://www.wchicagocitycenter.com), Route 2 on the ALA Shuttle.  Please let me know if you are interest in sharing.  References available upon request.  Excellent coffee will be provided, as I bring my own beans and coffee making equipment.

Best regards,

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Re: help with Iranian heading

Avetyan, Nora — 2013-06-18T16:58:09

Dear Mary,

010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

Is a misspelled form of 

010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

And should be deleted.
Thank you.
Nora



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Hello

I have found 2 records in OCLC authority file that seem to be for the same entity, but I lack any knowledge of the language.

010 n2012044237
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Ubqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)

And

010 n 81142190
Sipāh-i Pāsdārān-i Inqilāb-i Islāmī (Iran)


While the references on each record are not identical, they seem to refer to the same group.  Are these duplicate references or are they different entities, and if so, can someone make it clear what the difference is?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Mary Tilley
Authority specialist
University of Nebraska—Lincoln libraries



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