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thesaurus for music

Tanta D — 2012-05-25T09:41:29

Could you guide me to find and to use the best music thesaurus?

Thanks in advance,
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One record or two (serials)

Gene Fieg — 2012-05-25T00:31:12

If you have a subscription to the print and the online versions, do you
bring down two records into the catalog.

Two things occur to me.  The uniform title is different for each.
Secondly, if the patron only goes to the electronic link in the 856 for
print version, perhaps, he/she will not know we have it in print.

What is best practices here?

S.h. Women clergy

Gene Fieg — 2012-05-24T22:58:16

Book in hand: Bless her heart : life as a young clergy woman. Chalice
Press, 2011.

It currently has only one s.h.: Women clergy.
But since it deals with opportunities and pitfalls of being a
clergy(woman), I added the subj. heading, locally,: Clergy |x Office.

I don't think I am allowed to add |x Office after Women clergy.
And since women clergy are clergy, why not use Clergy |x Office. ?

Re: Nasty typo

Gene Fieg — 2012-05-24T22:55:09

Yikes!

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 2:37 PM, john g marr <jmarr-iJIHYJSk46c< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:

Nasty typo

john g marr — 2012-05-24T21:37:31

  Look for abbreviated keyword "elecr*" (e.g. "elecronic") in your 
catalogs. I just found at least 1,054 examples of it in OCLC.

Cheers!

jgm

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Re: 490 field

john g marr — 2012-05-24T21:33:10


  Ooh, Kevin, I feel "locally" indited. Seems to me they were simply 
"common practices" introduced by OCLC itself (let's not go into its 
conflicts with MARC).

Cheers!

jgm

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Re: 490 field

Kevin M Randall — 2012-05-24T21:27:37


And that falls into the category of "corrupting the data to fit into an inadequate local system and/or an inappropriate use of the MARC format".

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Re: 490 field

john g marr — 2012-05-24T21:05:40


  And/or because there is no "nonfiling characters" indicator assigned to 
the 490 field.

  Fun with obscure details.

  Another anomaly has been the presence of a "nonfiling characters" 
indicator in the 240 field, but we were conditioned to drop articles 
there instead of using the indicator.

jgm

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Draft for Comment Available: NISO Recommended Practice PIE-J: Presentation & Identification of E-Journals

Steven C Shadle — 2012-05-24T20:30:31

Apologies for duplication.  Review by the community very much appreciated.

Steve Shadle/Serials Access Librarian         shadle< at >u.washington.edu
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University of Washington Libraries              Phone: (206) 685-3983
Seattle, WA 98195-2900                            Fax: (206) 543-0854

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NISO has released the draft Recommended Practice "PIE-J: Presentation &
Identification of E-Journals" (NISO RP-16-201x) for public review and
comment through July 5, 2012. This Recommended Practice was developed to
provide guidance on the presentation of e-journals--particularly in the
areas of title presentation, accurate use of ISSN, and citation
practices--to publishers and platform providers, as well as to solve some
long-standing concerns of serials librarians. In addition to the
recommendations, the document includes extensive examples of good practices
using screenshots from various publishers' online journals platforms; a
discussion of helpful resources for obtaining title history and ISSN
information; an overview of the International Standard Serial Number (ISSN)
and key points for using it correctly; an explanation of the Digital Object
Identifier (DOIR), the registration agency CrossRef, and tips on using DOIs
for journal title management; and a review of related standards and
recommended practices.

Citations form the basis for much scholarly research. Connecting researchers
with appropriate content is the goal of OpenURL linking and other reference
linking systems. Unless journal websites accurately and uniformly list all
the titles under which content was published, user access to desired content
is considerably diminished. For example, many e-journal publishers and
aggregators now place digitized content originally published under an
earlier title on the website for the current title, using the current ISSN,
thus seriously impeding the researcher's ability to find or identify the
content being sought. The PIE-J project was initiated to address these
issues. The PIE-J Recommended Practice provides a clear and succinct list of
guidelines that publishers can easily implement to facilitate long-term
access to their e-journal content. This constructive advice will aid
publishers with the presentation of born-digital content as well as
supporting the continued digitization of content from journals originally
published only in print."

The PIE-J draft Recommended Practice and an online commenting form are
available from the NISO PIE-J workroom at:
http://www.niso.org/workrooms/piej/.

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Buddha (The concept)

Gene Fieg — 2012-05-24T19:46:30

I am not that knowledgeable about Buddhism.  So what is the difference
between Buddha (The concept) and Buddhahood?

Re: 490 field

Mark Ehlert — 2012-05-24T19:35:58

Yes. AACR2 1.6B1: "...transcribe the title proper of the series as
instructed in 1.1B."  There are even a couple of examples with initial
articles under 1.6B.

Some catalogers drop the initial articles because their catalogs use
that field in browse title displays.

490 field

Gene Fieg — 2012-05-24T18:49:49

Should we include intitial articles in the 490.  I think I have heard
various ideas about this.
But since it is a descriptive field, shouldn't we include the initial
article, which will then be dropped in the 8XX?

What have you guys been doing??

Re: From privacy to Orwell

john g marr — 2012-05-24T18:39:26

  I can be brief, but the entire problem is complex.

  Jim is perceptive, accurate, empathetic and on the point.

  What is important to the public? Only making-money anyway possible 
(should people just be corporations?), or the very existence of a 
"public", and who determines the priorities?

  Is effort itself an issue that should be addressed? Should librarians be 
as seriously involved in decision-making about public funding as are 
people constantly and compulsively involved in cutting such funding?

  Could cutting of public institution funding even remotely, *possibly*, be 
*intended* by *anyone involved* (compulsively perhaps?) as a means of 
eliminating the "public", and, if so, shouldn't we be paying more 
attention to those *possibilities* (and their historical precedents)?

  What libraries are faced with is just one example of what entire 
societies have always been faced with, perhaps even (eventually?) as the 
"last bastion."

  Anyone, including organizations like libraries (corporation are people, 
after all :)), can be most effective by performing consciousness-raising 
rather that being provincial. That is, after all, the basic purpose of 
library collections, so why not of librarians themselves?

  Libraries have to recognize the whole picture of which they are a small 
part. Tout those policies in defense of rights (e.g. privacy) and 
non-biased education and provision-of-information as exemplary responses 
to what the whole society faces (loss of rights and public control of 
education and information).

  If you think it's too dangerous, then do your tenure research on that 
possibility. I guarantee it would be interesting.

Cheers!

jgm

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Re: Music classification question

Krug, Emily D (Somerset — 2012-05-24T18:38:11

Thanks for the responses!

John F. Myers brought up a good point that this is the sort of problem that has more questions than hard answers, and his questions were very helpful.  Mac Elrod also brings up a good point that it is ideal to have all collections classed in the same system, which I tend to agree with.

However, I think for now I will probably correct the ANSCR call numbers because it is a small collection.  The collection is primarily for browsing because we no longer have full time music faculty and offer very few classes that require students to listen to particular pieces.

Thanks again!

Emily Krug
Emerging Technologies and Cataloging Librarian
Somerset Community College Learning Commons
Somerset, KY
606-451-6715
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Re: From privacy to Orwell

James Weinheimer — 2012-05-24T18:01:26

<snip>
</snip>

While personally, I completely agree and think that libraries need to
begin in earnest to create their own roads instead of merely following
those of others, it remains to be seen whether these issues are really
important to the public. I have mentioned before that I believe that one
of the main ways the library field can survive and thrive is if we focus
on the ethical aspects of librarians: privacy, lack of bias, no making
money off of what we suggest, etc. Also, I believe that our conceptual
searching vs. searching of text could be exceptionally valuable.

But, the public must both be made aware that this is what they get when
they search a library catalog, and to appreciate it. I don't believe it
will be an easy task. I honestly feel that people want an unbiased
selection of worthwhile materials, and then to be able to navigate
through those that information in a conceptual way, not just through
text. Yet strangely, such ideas have become completely foreign to many
member of the public and are difficult to understand. Unfortunately,
library catalogs still are very clumsy tools and it is tough to
demonstrate their advantages.

Still, it is critical for libraries to strike out in new directions.
Privacy may be a fruitful area for some concerned citizens, but as I
tried to point out in my last message, this means you opt out of Web2.0.
This must be addressed. Otherwise, I fear that libraries will be fated
to remain--in the popular mind--as an "inferior Google" or a "poor type
of amazon.com".

Re: Multipart items

Thomas, Christopher — 2012-05-24T17:35:36

J. Mc Ree (Mac) Elrod said:



Actually, these are Gene Fieg's remarks, which have been misattributed to me.  I do not agree with the remarks above.  As I said in my earlier posting, I believe titles of individual volumes should be entered as dependent titles if they are not meaningful enough to stand on their own.

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Re: Multipart items

J. McRee Elrod — 2012-05-24T17:03:30

Christopher Thomas said:


We agree.  We use set titles in 490/8XX if individual volumes have
distinctive titles.  One reason we do this so often is that for
clients who distribute MARC records through ebrary, there has to be a
monograph record for each volume, since ebrary only allows one 856$u.

We do the same for named issues of a serial, and when cataloguing
individual articles from a journal.

When forced to use 245$a$n in the absence of volume titles, a hitlist
looks as though there are multiple records for the same item.

Putting a set or serial title in 490/8XX does not make it a series.  
It's just the most patron friendly way of giving the informationn in
many ILS.


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Re: Multipart items

Blue, Kathryn J — 2012-05-24T14:00:50

Gene Fieg asked:

For instance, Gonzalea, Justo L. |t Story of Christianity.
Yes it only covers a certain amount of volumes, but they way it has been
catalogued: 245 14 The story of Christianity. |n Volume 1, |p name of part, makes me wonder: why not enter it under the specific title and treat the authority record as an author/title series and use the 490/800 convention?

My answer:

The decision to catalog each volume in a set separately may be based on such criteria as whether there are authors involved in the creation of individual volumes for whom the cataloger wants to make index entries, or whether subject entries specific to the individual volumes' contents would be more useful than the more general subject entries assigned to the set as a whole.

The decision to use the  "245 1X|aComprehensive title.|nvol. #,|pPart title" construction or the "245 Part title + 490 Comprehensive title in series note" construction depends on whether the part titles are distinctive or generic. Often in multivolume works of history, the individual part titles are just generic time period names which are pretty useless as indexed titles. In the example set given ("The story of Christianity"), if the titles of the volumes are just "The first century", "Middle ages", "The enlightenment", "Nineteenth century", etc., those titles don't convey any information about the subject content of the volumes, so the cataloger may opt to include the comprehensive work's title to identify the generic titled part:  245 14 The story of Christianity.|nVolume 1,|pThe first century /|cJohn Doe. In the cataloger's mind that makes a better identification of that particular volume  than would 245 14 The first century /|cJohn Doe. ... 490 1 The story of Christianity ; v. 1.

Cataloging individual volumes of a set instead of just cataloging the whole set is a local cataloging decision. How best to identify the individual volumes of a set in their own individual bib records is cataloger judgment and will depend on the nature of the part titles and whetherl they can serve as resource identifiers on their own or whether the comprehensive work's title is needed to make sense of the part title.


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Senior Cataloger
Earl Gregg Swem Library
College of William and Mary
Williamsburg VA 23187-8794
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Re: VHS multimedia cases

ANWAY, VICKIE — 2012-05-24T13:07:10

I don't think I've ever seen a three piece VHS case.  I didn't see Gaylord or Vernon on your list.  Maybe?
Vickie

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Hi everyone,

I'm trying to find a vendor for a particular kind of VHS multimedia case that can hold three VHS tapes as well as a 14x20 cm thin booklet. I've tried Demco, Highsmith, Brodart, and the Library Store without success. I have a fix if all else fails (three stand-alone VHS cases plus the booklet inside a plastic bag) but this would be a last resort. Any suggestions on where to look for such a case?

Thanks, Laura

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Re: OCLC #744303280

Ana Kurland — 2012-05-24T16:15:17

That would explain it.  Thanks!


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Subject: Re: [ACAT] OCLC #744303280

I've noticed that chapters titles can be different in a pre-publication record from the actual book. Perhaps the book chapters weren't checked against a prepub 505.

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Re: Multipart items

Thomas, Christopher — 2012-05-24T15:49:29

"... 245 14 The story of Christianity. |n Volume 1, |p name of part, makes me wonder: why not enter it under the specific title and treat the authority record as an author/title series and use the 490/800 convention?"

Usually it is clearer to treat titles of individual volumes as dependent titles rather than monographic series if the part titles are not meaningful enough to stand on their own. One example you can find in LC's catalog is "Trade policy review.|p[name of country]". If "Trade policy review" were entered as a series, the 245 titles would be just names of countries and would really not be enough to identify the items.

In this case, the part titles are, "The early church to the dawn of the Reformation" and "The reformation to the present day", which seem to be period divisions rather than the main titles of the works. I'd leave these as dependent titles.

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