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    <title>HPV week in Allegre, July 12th-20th 2008, France</title>
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    <dc:creator>Jean-Charles Gosselin</dc:creator>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/44</link>
    <description>Carl and Mark Mueller here, now now children, watch your language! or 
there will be no dessert for you later!




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    <dc:creator>Carl Mueller, MHP</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T22:15:02</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: www.steppebysteppe.com.au</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/43</link>
    <description> 
 
First, this is a worldwide forum encompassing many issues, including the exchange of images on a wide assortment of browsers. Second, you seem to be a bit unclear on what constitutes "standard".
 
++ Cornel Ormsby ++
+Las Vegas, Nevada+


      
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    <dc:creator>LioNiNoiL</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T22:11:44</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/42</link>
    <description> 
 
Someone appears to be unclear on a few concepts.
 
++ Cornel Ormsby ++
+Las Vegas, Nevada+


      
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    <dc:creator>LioNiNoiL</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T22:05:00</dc:date>
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    <title>why flash is bad</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/41</link>
    <description>mallard said:

www.inygb.com/search?q=why+flash+sucks

It's fine if you're an artist, or you only want to allow artistic
types to use your website. But it's difficult to do Flash well, and
some would say impossible. Here's a simple test - fire up the screen
reader that is part of your OS and try to navigate a Flash program
with your eyes shut. Now try viewing it on a mobile phone. So, let's
try that again from Japan. What's that, you have to be able to read
English to navigate it because the GUi is unlike any other website.

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001029.html


Moz

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    <dc:creator>Moz</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T10:07:55</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/40</link>
    <description>

I agree. I wasn't able to view anything but a  blank page on my  
computer. If someone wants me to see what is on their website I  
shouldn't have to download something in order to be able to view it.

-------------------------------------------------------------
Zach Kaplan Cycles
Alameda, Northern California, North America
510-522-BENT (2368)
zakaplan&lt; at &gt;earthlink.net

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    <dc:creator>Zach Kaplan</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T05:05:50</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/39</link>
    <description> 
 
This is not about my machine, nor about me. This is about a web-page (URL below) that has no non-flash content, nor alternate HTML content, even though its template recommends both and provides locations for both.
 
www.steppebysteppe.com.au
 
++ Cornel Ormsby ++
+Las Vegas, Nevada+


      
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    <dc:creator>LioNiNoiL</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-11T04:54:09</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/38</link>
    <description>So, download the Flash reader to your machine and you can see it. 

Are you adverse to using the Flash reader, if so what technical or other reasons do you have?

I'm a web developer so am curious about what people's opinions are.

tom mallard
   .net web apps - project mgmt
      consumer product design

----- Original Message -----
From: "LioNiNoiL" &lt;lioninoil&lt; at &gt;yahoo.com&gt;
To: ihpva&lt; at &gt;ihpva.org
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 4:41:20 PM (GMT-0700) America/Phoenix
Subject: Re: [IHPVA] fairing

Roger Chao wrote:
 
 
No, I can't.
 
There is no non-flash content, nor alternate HTML content.
 
++ Cornel Ormsby ++
+Las Vegas, Nevada+


      
_______________________________________________
IHPVA mailing list
IHPVA&lt; at &gt;ihpva.org
http://whpva.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ihpva
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    <dc:creator>mallard</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-09T23:19:16</dc:date>
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    <title>Re: fairing</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/37</link>
    <description> 
 
No, I can't.
 
There is no non-flash content, nor alternate HTML content.
 
++ Cornel Ormsby ++
+Las Vegas, Nevada+


      
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    <dc:creator>LioNiNoiL</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-08T23:41:20</dc:date>
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    <title>fairing</title>
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    <dc:creator>Roger Chao</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-08T12:30:50</dc:date>
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    <title>list back online</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/35</link>
    <description>This list is back online should anyone want to use it...

Brian
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    <dc:creator>Brian Wilson</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-06-07T18:42:12</dc:date>
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    <title>Icebike race Brantford Is ON</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/32</link>
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    <dc:creator>Joe Mitrovic</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2008-01-15T00:27:23</dc:date>
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  <item rdf:about="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/31">
    <title>PLEASE EXPECT DISRUPTIONS on these mailing list</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/31</link>
    <description>HEY EVERYONE!! How's it going?

Several people have mentioned that the IHPVA.org mailing list archives
are messed up.  I know this and I AM NOT FIXING THEM.  :-)
Well ACTUALLY I will but in a round about way.

Once a year or so I jump in here and say running IHPVA.org is my HOBBY so
that I don't feel so guilty about it not being run flawlessly.

The current Internet service provider lost ANOTHER hard drive about 2 weeks
ago and the server that IHPVA lives on is still limping. NO I don't need money
but thanks for asking. TIME would help but money would not help
since I would only spend it on more GPS equipment and go hiking to test it!
If I gave the money to the ISP they would spend it on donuts or golf
clubs or ham radio equipment-- It would not go into better server
equipment... let's not talk about it!

Keeping all this IHPVA.org stuff going at the moment is very taxing for me.
I have about 10 minutes a week to devote to it right now.

The guy who does their system backups there and generally keeps all
the systems online is well... let's just say it's NOT his day job and
his heart is not in it. (That guy is, of course, me)

We currently have a bad Internet connection and unreliable equipment
but it's FREE!! Great huh? The only ADVANTAGE is that hosting is "FREE" there
because I keep things running. (They indeed pay me something but it's
NOT worth what I get.) HOWEVER since I started doing IHPVA.org hosting
costs have dropped from many  $100's per month to $6/month so it is no
longer worth keeping up this
barter arrangement. I want OUT! OUT NOW!!!

WHAT THIS MEANS

This means IHPVA.ORG is MOVING!!! Yes. YES! FINALLY...

I am moving it to another service provider. For $6 / month someone
ELSE can manage the network headaches and the backups etc etc etc...
then I have
10 minutes a week MORE to spend on the site.

ANTICIPATE DISRUPTIONS.

I decided that moving the site QUICKLY rather than slowly and
carefully  would help keep me sane. (Some believe this is a futile)

I don't have a really good way to move the SUBSCRIBER lists.
SO -- when the move happens, you will get notifications that you have
been subscribed to whatever lists you're already on. Just like when
you originally subscribed. Because it will be a new list on a new
server.

SETTINGS like "digest", "no mail", etc will be LOST and you will have to connect
to the new web page and reset them, I AM SORRY but this is my HOBBY.
Did I mention that?

I will ATTEMPT to sort out the problems with the mailing list archives
AFTER things have moved. But I can't make any guarantees. I won't have
as much control of the new server (I WANT it that way!) but I will do
what I can.

The new service provider is at "hostmonster.com" who have been doing a
decent job hosting other sites for me since June. Hopefully the
traffic for IHPVA.org
will not be a problem..

Two sites over there already are http://HuPI.org and
http://ravenproject.org are moved there already.   (Pssssst I hear
that the Raven will fly again!!!)

The original HPV mailing list started out as "hpv&lt; at &gt;sonoma.edu" and
then moved to IHPVA.org over 10 years ago (long before there was a
"world wide web") It will continue to change from time to time but it will
continue to exist...

WHEN WILL THIS HAPPEN?

Geez I dunno - SOON. You will know it because there will be a disruption!

Brian Wilson
Corvallis OR -- where I am enjoying lovely fall color here now

(Now, anticipating 6 bounce messages saying "you are not subscribed to
this list"...
I press Send)------------------------------------------------------------------------

(I just used up my 10 minutes allocated for the week to write this,
dang it! See you next week!)
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    <dc:date>2007-11-08T06:05:03</dc:date>
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    <title>Terry Black/R4/FWS/DOI is out of the office.</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/30</link>
    <description>
I will be out of the office starting  08/30/2007 and will not return until
09/04/2007.

If you need assistance right away, please contact Jim Chandler
(303.236.8193) or Jim Behrmann (303.236.4526).

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    <dc:date>2007-09-01T22:06:39</dc:date>
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    <title>Niagara Velomobile Happening Niagara ONT</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/29</link>
    <description>Niagara Velomobile Happening Sept 22 - 23
THIS EVENT'S FOCUS IS ON FULL FAIRED VELOMOBILES (DESIGNING, BUILDING &amp; PRACTICAL USE) 
AT REG RODARO'S WORKSHOP, (near) NIAGARA ON THE LAKE, ONTARIO
SATURDAY - WORK SHOPS  - SPEAKERS - DEMONSTRATIONS - BBQ. AND POT LUCK.
SUNDAY  Breakfast ride plus hands on workshops
BLUE VELO will have a Waw, Quest, Mango, go-one3 and Versatile for the Sunday Country Ride .For more information http://www.hptabrant.ca/velo2007.htm



Email - hpta&lt; at &gt;rogers.com
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    <dc:date>2007-09-01T13:14:16</dc:date>
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    <title>CHIN Recumbent Race Pics</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/28</link>
    <description>http://www.hptabrant.ca/chinrace.htm
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    <dc:creator>Joe Mitrovic</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-07-01T16:43:14</dc:date>
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    <title>Terry Black/R4/FWS/DOI is out of the office.</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/27</link>
    <description>
I will be out of the office starting  05/26/2007 and will not return until
06/06/2007.

If you need assistance right away, please contact Jim Chandler
(303.236.8193) or Jim Behrmann (303.236.4526).

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    <dc:date>2007-06-05T22:27:39</dc:date>
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    <title>CHIN Recumbent Races</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/26</link>
    <description>News Release

For Immediate Release

 

RECUMBENT CYCLISTS LEAD THE PACK IN ALL-NEW RACES AT CHIN INTERNATIONAL PICNIC.

 

BANNED BIKES TO BE SHOWCASED IN NEW RACES THAT PROVIDE AN ALTERNATIVE TO THE DIAMOND-SHAPED BIKE.

 

TORONTO, June 6, 2007 - Recumbent Bikes may still be banned from international racing but they've found a new home at the CHIN International Community Races.

 

"This is very exciting because it is the first race for recumbents in Canada since the 1930s. The Tour de France outlawed recumbents because they gave an unfair advantage to riders," said Leslie Sutch, Treasurer of the Human Powered Transportation Association, an organization which promotes the use of human powered vehicles, such as bicycles. In 1934, the Union Cycliste International (UCI) banned recumbent bicycles from international racing, saying that recumbents were not bicycles. Since then, recumbent races have come to exist in various parts of the world but international races still remain outlawed by the UCI. On Saturday, June 30, adult recumbent racers will have a chance to compete for the first time in the CHIN International Community Races, at the Better Living Centre, Exhibition Place, in Toronto. While cycling races are an annual event at the CHIN International Picnic, the rec
 umbent races are new for 2007. The races are open to adults who own recumbent bikes. 

 

A recumbent bike is one where the rider sits back in a long, full seat with his/her legs in a horizontal position. This position cuts wind resistance, allowing greater biking speed, while providing more comfort and better braking. Although unconventional, these bicycles are extremely efficient for racing. The CHIN races will feature three different types of vehicles, with a 4 or 5 lap race for each - a  two-wheel bike race at 9 a.m., a three-wheel bike race at 10:20 a.m. and a velomobile race at 12:40 p.m. Velomobiles are enclosed bikes that have a  similar shape to race cars but are powered by humans instead of fuel. 

 

The races are being organized by the Midweek Cycling Club.

 

For more details about the CHIN International Picnic Recumbent Races or to learn more about Midweek Cycling Club, please visit www.midweekclub.ca. Midweek Cycling Club is affiliated with the Ontario Cycling Association, and sanctioned by both the Canadian Cycling Association and the international governing body, Union Cycliste Internationale. Founded in 1995 and incorporated as a not for profit in 2002, Midweek Cycling Club is dedicated to road racing and development of new riders of all ages. Programs include weekly "learn-to-race" and "practice" races. The club has a membership of 100+ and regularly attracts over 300 participants to its elite events.  
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    <dc:creator>Joe Mitrovic</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-06-05T00:47:58</dc:date>
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    <title>Rickshaws</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/25</link>
    <description>Hi

I need a bit of advice and stumbled across your site. Hopefully I am
in the right place and on the right mailing list!

I have a chance of buying a pushbike that has an engine all ready
strapped to the front wheel. One of the things I have wanted to do for
ages is build a rickshaw but I live in Cornwall, England. Very hilly.
So I have been thinking, could I utilise this bike with the engine,
build a frame of the bike and then when a hill comes, flick a switch
and get swept majestically up the hill.

Is this possible please? Any ideas whether there are plans that might
help me. I'll have to take the idea to a welder. Any welders in and
near Cornwall who might be able to help?

Many thanks.
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    <dc:creator>Richard Brown</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-22T12:49:53</dc:date>
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    <title>Terry Black/R4/FWS/DOI is out of the office.</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/24</link>
    <description>
I will be out of the office starting  05/08/2007 and will not return until
05/16/2007.

If you need assistance right away, please contact Jim Chandler
(303.236.8193) or Jim Behrmann (303.236.4526).

</description>
    <dc:creator>Terry_Black&lt; at &gt;fws.gov</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-12T22:09:14</dc:date>
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    <title>Recumbent Races CHIN Picnic Toronto July</title>
    <link>http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.transportation.humanpowered.iphva/23</link>
    <description>The Midweek Cycling club has offered The Human Powered Transportation Association members a race opportunity in the upcoming CHIN picnic Race event July 1 2007 in Toronto Ontario Canada

Race 1 - 2 wheelers? M &amp; F Recumbent Race 

At least 10 riders for each class should be preregistered.

Last year, it was an estimated 250,000 people that attended the picnic.  
Imagine the publicity for recumbents, for recumbent groups/clubs and especially for businesses selling recumbents if we managed to scrape up enough riders for Midweek to actually hold recumbent classes in their race schedule annually?

Email hpta&lt; at &gt;rogers.com to get registration info or check out upcoming events at www.hptabrant.ca for details

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    <dc:creator>Joe Mitrovic</dc:creator>
    <dc:date>2007-05-12T17:59:47</dc:date>
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