gmane.culture.region.indonesia.sunda

Asal Kecap SUNDA

rsyaifoel — 2013-05-24T07:42:12


--- In Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com, Ki Hasan <khs579< at >...> wrote:

Sakadar komentar neruskeun wadulan tiheula.

Sigana mah urusan ngaran sok loba implik2 ti budaya luar Kang. Contona mah ngaran nagara urang Indonesia, wehhhhhh naha bet make kekecapan tina basa Yunani? Jawabna, sabab nu mere ngaran Indonesia teh LAIN urang Indonesia!

Analogi siga kieu oge sigana mah bisa dialkukeun keur ngaran SUNDA. Ieu ngaran teh sigana mah dibere, dibikeun, dijieun ku urang India? Kuring boga kacendedrunagn mikir siga kitu. Anu jadi pertanyaan dasar teh, kumaha ´urang Sunda´ngalandih maneh samemeh kecap ´Sunda´dipake? Ceuk pamikir kuring mah, bisa jadi UKUR make kekecapan anu aya patalina jeung kakawasaan politik LOKAL. Misalna, urang Galuh, Urang Pakuan, urang Carbon, Urang Indramayu.

Sigana... ieu mah ukur teteorian.... 
Pangawa Hindu (urang India?)MAKE istilah SUnda jang NGAHIJIKEUN etnik anu sarua di wilayah Jawa Barat? Siga istilah Indonesia anu diapek ku Sukarno jang ngahijikeun sakabeh sukubangsa di wilayah Nusantara saenggeus Indonesia mardika.

Teuing, kudu diteangan heula bukurna...:)))



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Re: [Urang Sunda] Topik nu keur pa ting suliwer ayeuna

mang kaby — 2013-05-24T07:04:53

Bwahahaha hiduuuup Susundaaan Bah... Hayuu urang ramekeun ieu milis lah... Tah sigana tinggal Abah yeuh kudu rajin deui nyieun dongeng euy Bah....

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Abbas Amien <abas_amin08< at >yahoo.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 14:58:30 
To: kisunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; urangsunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; <baraya_sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Urang Sunda] Topik nu keur pa ting suliwer ayeuna

1. Nu pang Utamana Masalah rencanaa HBH 2013. Sponsor/nu pangrajinna nulis Mang kabayan; masih keneh hoghag kapanitiaan,

2. Harti kecap Sunda - Nu nyerat ngawitan, mun teu salah mj; terus disurungkuy ku mang kabayan; laju kang Eko ngiring ilubiung. Der nu sejenna uapamana kang dud. Nepi ka ayeuna can aya kasimpulanana,

3. propinsi sunda. Ieu mah breng loba nu mariluna kaang dud, mj, panji jrrd. Ieu ge teu manggih solusina.

4. Ganti judul - teu sangka jadi topik nu loba oge komentarna. mj; kang dud; Mang kabayan jste

5. yenti Garnasih - ieu topik pangheulanaa diaalungkeun ku mang kabayan. Teu sangka jaddi manjang kaditu kadieu.

Kasimpulaan ti kuring, nya eta ti na hiji topik, bisa manjang terus jadi obrolan nu kaacida ramena bari jeung topik utamana mah geus kamana horeng. Tapi sakabeh anggota kaciri aakrab jeung enjoy. Jadi ieu milis teh hirup; dinamis pisan. Nu matak ditengah tengaah wangkongan diselang ku nu usul GANTI JUDUL cenah. Da geus jauh ti na topik nu dibahas.

Topik hiji luncat ka na topik sejen

Abbas Amien — 2013-05-24T07:06:17

Mimitina mang kabayan; AA; mj; nyaritakeun masalah perserikatan. Ieu topik teh rada beurat, lantaran bau2 politik; salah omong matak bahaya; terus dilumpatkeun ka na topik PROPINSI Sunda ku usul mj; lantaran Perserikatan mah hamo katepi; loba pisan hahalangna. Tapi menta minimum Propinsi Sunda ge sigana tetep jeung keukeuh HESE !

Persis waktu Pandawa Lima Pasrah dibere ngan ukur 5 DESA wungkul.

Topik nu keur pa ting suliwer ayeuna

Abbas Amien — 2013-05-24T06:58:30

1. Nu pang Utamana Masalah rencanaa HBH 2013. Sponsor/nu pangrajinna nulis Mang kabayan; masih keneh hoghag kapanitiaan,

2. Harti kecap Sunda - Nu nyerat ngawitan, mun teu salah mj; terus disurungkuy ku mang kabayan; laju kang Eko ngiring ilubiung. Der nu sejenna uapamana kang dud. Nepi ka ayeuna can aya kasimpulanana,

3. propinsi sunda. Ieu mah breng loba nu mariluna kaang dud, mj, panji jrrd. Ieu ge teu manggih solusina.

4. Ganti judul - teu sangka jadi topik nu loba oge komentarna. mj; kang dud; Mang kabayan jste

5. yenti Garnasih - ieu topik pangheulanaa diaalungkeun ku mang kabayan. Teu sangka jaddi manjang kaditu kadieu.


Kasimpulaan ti kuring, nya eta ti na hiji topik, bisa manjang terus jadi obrolan nu kaacida ramena bari jeung topik utamana mah geus kamana horeng. Tapi sakabeh anggota kaciri aakrab jeung enjoy. Jadi ieu milis teh hirup; dinamis pisan. Nu matak ditengah tengaah wangkongan diselang ku nu usul GANTI JUDUL cenah. Da geus jauh ti na topik nu dibahas.

Cara Jepang nyieun Citra Kota - Re: Antara Dongeng jeung Sajarah (Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA)

mang kaby — 2013-05-24T01:31:37

Sok tah hade pisan euy... Babaturan Mamang Arsitek ITB, awewena babaturan salakina dosen manehna sempet lila di jepang ayeuna balik ka Indonesia. 

Jadi ceunah yeuh di Jepang tiap Kota teh di bere IMAGE/ CITRA naon sunda-na nya? 

Tah malahan teu euleum-2 si Jepang nyieun Citra Kota-na tina tokoh-2 komik jeung filem jepang ceunah. 

Contoh aya hiji kota jadi Kota tempat lahirna Gaban Sariban... Kota tempat SamuraiX jrrd.

Taaaah ceunah ti merchandise, jeung sagala rupana geus dikondisikeun keur menarik minat para wisatawan nu datang boh domestik atawa internasional.

Taaah bangsa urang kurang pinter dina ngemas sagalana teh tempo weh misalna bangsa urang bisa nyieun kopi, bako, teh ... Tah Bangsa lain bisa tina kopi eta dijual di Starbuck jadi 50rb sagelas. Ceuk dina teori Marketing mah "Shapping People's mind tea" ngahipnotis konsumen supaya meuli produkna. 

Taaah kitu oge Bangsa Urang sabenerna loba legenda-2 dongeng-2 anu aya di urang tapi eta dongeng teh teu diberdayakeun keur jadi sumber ekonomi siga Jepun. Batur mah nyieun Action Figur weh bisa dijualan mahaaaaaal deuiiiiih. Padahal tukang nyieun komikna nu ngagambarna Bangsa Urang hehehe.

Palebah dieu perlu Jelema Visioner keur mimpin hiji Kota supaya bisa nyinergikeun sakabeh elemen masyarakat ngadukung kana "Citra" anu bakal dijieun.

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Antara Dongeng jeung Sajarah (Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA)

Insya Alloh tangtos bade di aos deui ku simkuring kang, mung naha enya kitu ari nagari Saba teh di Yaman?muhun eta leres caahna saparantos ratu balqis teu aya, oh kitu nya ari lorojonggrang teh ratu balqis saur urg jawa mah?hehe,,,atuh kaleresan simkuring teh pan dines di tatar jogja,,,haha, hartosna ayeuna simkuring aya di ibukota negeri Saba ,,, hehehe,,,(punten ah rada guyon), tapi ceuk pangalaman simkuring di prambanan mah asa teu aya patung loro jonggrang the, nu aya munng patung wisnu, siwa, brahma hungkul,,,tah perkawis manuk teh sanesna manuk hud-hud kang?,,, atuh simkuring ngarumaos, tangtos ari janten rahayat Indonesia mah kedah bersyukur ku nikmat nu sagala aya  nu aya di Indonesia,,,sanajan nu mingpin ieu nagara teh balakasadut,,,hahaha, kuring mah nu jelas bungah pisan, jadi urang sunda nu aya di lingkung jawa, tapi teu kapangaruhan ku jawa,,,hihi rada chauvinis yeuh, bae ah da grupna urg sunda ieuh,,,teu paduli turunan saha urg baheula anu jelas mah urang sunda teh langkung unggul ti nu sejen, upami aya nu nyebat urang sunda kedul sareng nu lian mah telaten , sok mangga cobian hirup di jogja genep bulan we geura, ngke katingali saha anu ngedul,,,hehe, malahan kuring mah kungsi reuwas, geuningan aya jegger nu ngawasaan jogja urang sunda, anjeunna ngakukeun ti bandung sareng ngakuna urang sunda (da lemes pisan basa sundana ge), papendak teu kahaja di angkringan,,haha,,,tah ti dinya katingali pan, hehehe,,, saha anu unggul
Hatur nuhun pisan kana tatambih wawasanna kang Ahmad ,,, keun ngke di aos deui,,, ayeuna mah bade dines heula

Piss ah
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From: Ahmad Hazairin <don_febi< at >yahoo.de>
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Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 01:04:45 
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Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Antara Dongeng jeung Sajarah (Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA)

Sumuhun kang Avin, sapamendak sim kuring mah kakawasaan Nabi Sulaiman teh di kota Yerusalem (karajaan kota, metropole). Perkawis ratu Balqis ti karajaan Saba memang rada seueur disebat dina Al-Quran, malahan mah salah sawios surat anu ka 34 dinamian surat Saba.  Oge dina salah sawios Hadits disebatkeun yen negeri Saba teh ayana di nagari Yaman (yemen) upami ayeuna mah.

Dina surat Saba disebatkeun yen nagari saba teh nagari anu subur mung pendudukna ingkar. Teras pepelakana digentos ku pepelakan anu teu tiasa dituang. Teras katarajang banjir. Tapi sapertos na mah waktos nagari saba katarajang banjir teh sanes dina jaman ratu Balqis. Saur sapalih mah eta bajir teh saatos jaman ratu Balqis.

Perkawis karajaan ratu Balqis oge karajaan makmur di saba. Tapi da sanes karajaan ageung. Nya karjaan alit weh mung makmur. Makana sieuneun ku nabi Sulaeman oge. Oge memang dina Quran jentr pisan disebatkan yen Nabi Sulaeman teh dipasihan mukjizat tiasa nundukeun jin sareng gaduh pasukan manuk. Nya panginten pasukan teh maksadna sanes pasukan perang, da manuk naon anu tiasa dicandak ka medan perang atuh? Panginten maksad pasukan teh nya kumpulan anu seueur. Salah sawiosna kacarioskeun manuk Bulbul anu tiasa janten mata-mata. Tapi anu ajaib teh sanes nabi Sualeman tiasa ngartos bahasa si Bulbul, tapi nya si Bulbul oge tiasa ngartos bahasa manusa jeung tiasa ngartos situasi budaya politik masyarakat Saba. Perkawis ratu Balqis ayana sanes dina surat Saba dina Al-Quran, tapi dina surat An-Naml.

Mangga geura urang buka deui surat Saba sareng surat An-Naml dina Al-Quran. Nya ari urang jawa mah bahkan aya anu percanten yen ratu Balqis teh ratu Boqo (Lorojonggrang?) anu patungna aya di candi prambanan?  Isin ah tong dicarioskeun kapercayaan nu kitu ka urang arab, engke urang arab bisi kenyon sareng dina manahna: "heueuh belegug euy urang jawa mah, jeung hayang pisan ngadopsi kabeh budaya arab teh, lain agama wungkul, tokoh arab oge hayang aya sasaruanana di jawa, bisa yeuh urang tipu....".

Bahasa Al-Quran memang puitis, nilai sastrana tinggi. Mangga geura buka sura Saba ayat 15: "Sesungguhnya bagi kaum Saba' ada tanda (kekuasaan Tuhan) di tempat 
kediaman mereka yaitu dua buah kebun di sebelah kanan dan di sebelah 
kiri. (kepada mereka dikatakan): "Makanlah olehmu dari rezki yang 
(dianugerahkan) Tuhanmu dan bersyukurlah kamu kepada-Nya. (Negerimu) 
adalah negeri yang baik dan (Tuhanmu) adalah Tuhan Yang Maha Pengampun".

Tah perkawis "Dikatakan kepada mereka, makanlah olehmu rezki yang dianugrahkan Tuhanmu dan bersyukurlah......".  Naha eta teh Tuhan ngomong ka rahayat Saba? Aya sora misalna ti langit Tuhan ngomong kitu ka rahayat Saba?  Ari saur sim kuring mah, eta teh nandakeun yen rahayat Saba teh bisa ningali kanyataan dina kahirupan, katempo ku panon, katarima ku batin, yen nagara manehna teh subur makmur. Tah naon anu katingali ku panon jeung katarima ku batin teh dipermisalkeun dina Quran ku kalimat "Dikatakan kepada mereka......".  Jadi lain rahayat Saba wae atuh, urang oge rahayat Indonesia, "Dikatakan kepada rakyat Indonesia, lihatlah sekelilingmu negeri yang makmur, maka bersyukurlah, janganlah berbuat dosa dan berlebihan.....".  Pan batin urang bisa meureun ngarasakeun fitrah kaalusan sikep diri urang, ulah ngagalaksak. Tah eta teh pituduh tinu Maha Suci.  Eta teh "dikatakan kepada kita oleh Tuhan kita....".

Cag ah panjang teuing.. he.. he..

Wallahu'alam

Febi Ahmad Hazairin
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Naha sumuhun kitu ? Pami kakuasaan Nabi Sulaeman ngan saukur Yerusalem? Naha enya pami nabi nabi teh lalakonna mung di tatar Arab sareng tatanggina? Ari kuring mah yakin yen sagala carita anu aya dina Al Qur'an teh sanes dongeng saukur dongeng, tapi eta patunjuk nu leres ayana,,,naon pangna bet kitu? Geuningan ayeuna kakuasaan yahudi teh geus ka mana mana,,,ngan urg na we teu ngarasa, anu paling jelas mah buktosna nyaeta "pelemahan" mentalitas bangsa urang anu nambih leuleuy,,,
Atuh naon hubunganna sareng atlantis?ah nya kitu tea apanan, kuring mah mung "ngungkapkeun" naon anu kuring aos sakedik tina Al Qur'an yen kaum Saba teh ingkar ka Gusti Alloh janten di azab ku caah anu luar biasa ageungna (duka saageung kumaha),,,tah kitu oge atlantis saur abah plato anu can kungsi kuring tepangan ,,heheheh,,,saurna atlantis kacaahan,,,tah atuh naon hubunganna sareng Nabi Sulaeman?atuh apanan saurna Nabi Sulaeman teh kungsi naklukeun Ratu Karajaan Saba saurna,,,nyaeta Ratu Balqis,,,teras naha bet di Indonesia?tah upami ieu mah kuring oge ukur "ngaraba raba" noel tina hipotesis abah oppenheimer sareng abah A.Santos ngeunaan atlantis nu cenah ayana di Indonesia,,,cenah saur aranjeunna atlantis teh hiji kawasan anu genah keur dicicingan "genah merenah tumaninah" sareng rahayatna lalindeuk moal nyoco mun teu direwong hatena,,,tah kitu oge saur dina Al Qur'an yen Saba teh kawasan anu "baldatun thoyyibatun wa robbun gofur" (punten pami kirang
 merenah seratanna),,,sareng rahayatna anu oge lalindeuk cara nu disebatkeun plato,,,
Tah perkawis leres atanapi henteuna implengan awam simkuring, nya eta mah mangga teu langkung ka para sesepuh,,,kuring mah mung saukur "komentar",,, teu aya maksad bade kumawantun,,,hapunten


Piss ah,,
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:27:38 +0000
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Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Antara Dongeng jeung Sajarah (Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA)
  

Heuheu. Enya kitu. Dunya dina tiap carita teh dunya lingkup tokoh-tokoh nu aya dina carita eta. Tapi pikiran urang kiwari sok nganggap dunya eta teh nya dunya ayeuna nu urang apal, planet bumi tea.

Cara bule eropa. Perang eropa antara prussia(jerman) jeung tatanggana, taun 1914-1918, basa hitler jadi prajurit tatu, disebut perang dunia I. Harita di bagean lain dunya asana teu kacaturkeun perang cara PD II. Dina ayana ge nya sabab wewengkon sejen bagean ti koloni nagara2 nu perang. 

Sabab urang eropa nya nyebut dunya teh eropa. Wewengkon manehna hirup.  Istilah new world dunya anyar pikeun wewengkon sejen nu kapanggih mangsa penjelajahan kolumbus jst. Wewengkon di luar  Eropa amerika terus disebut negara2 dunya kadua jeung katilu. Dunya kadua sigana musuh dunya kahiji harita, uni sovyet russia  tea.

Tapi pikiran ngalegaan dunya nu dicaritakeun bisa aya manpaatna pikeun nyoba hipotesis. Cara dina basa. Ibrahim atawa abraham di timur tengah teh,  nu di india disebut brahma. Lemuria istilah ti plato cek mang kaby jadi lembur. Padahal sigana us baheula teu apal kecap lemuria. Da eta istilah plato yunani baheula saacan masehi.

Asana aya beja beh dieu yen barus bahan menyan ti barus sumatra geus nepi ka mesir ti beh ditu mula, malah asana jaman firaun. Nya kari bayangkeun we baheula geus aya kontak dagang jalan laut antar benua. 

Carita sejen, ngaran pulao jawa. Cenah asalna ti jawawut, ngaran tangkal sisikian (asana mah sabangsaning hanjeli bisa didahar) nu asalna ti mesir. Jawawut dipelak jeung ngalobaan di pulo panjang ieu lila-lila disebut pulo jawawut, terus wutna jarang disebut jadi leungit.

Model kitu sarua jeung bule nyebut kopi teh java. Sabab kopi sakanyaho bule, didatangkeun ti pulo jawa. 

Tambah ngacapruk nya heuheuheu

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From:  Ahmad Hazairin <don_febi< at >yahoo.de> 
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 15:52:36 +0100 (BST)
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Subject: [Urang Sunda] Antara Dongeng jeung Sajarah (Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA)

Tah ieu menarik yeuh pikeun bahaseun:
"tapi upami numutkeun kana sejarah para Nabi kade ulah hilap ka Nabi Sulaeman AS,,,"

Sajarah Nabi Sulaeman teh luar biasa pisan lamun geus dicaritakeun di madrasah. Geus jadi jiga dongeng sungokong weh, asik pisan.
Di kalangan umat Islam mah Nabi Sulaeman teh digambarkeun hiji Nabi anu beunghar pisan, boga istana lapis emas dampal pualam.
Nabi Sulaeman cenah bisa nundukeun sagala wangsa jin jeung binatang. Lamun ngadengekeun dongeng ti ustad di madrasah mah pokona Nabi Sulaeman teh harita jiga raja di amparan bumi weh. Sahenteuna nya sapotong amparan bumi atuh.

Padahal lamun urang hayang ningali nagara kakawasaan Nabi Sulaeman, nya tingali weh Kota Yerusalem ayeuna. Teu leuwih ti eta. Mangkana Israel nuntut pisan kana hakna di kota yerusalem kusabab aya sajarahna yen eta teh karajaan Sulaeman.  Lamun karajaan Nabi Sulaeman teh saamparan bumi, nya Israel tangtuna bakal nuntut sakabeh amparan bumi oge .

Karen Armstrong dina bukuna, Yeusalem - Hiji Kota Tilu Iman, nyaritakeun wilayah kahirupan wangsa yahudi nya memang teu leuwih tikota yerusalem. Di luar tembok yerusalem mah geu daerah goyyim.  Tah di sakuliling Yerusalem ti baheula aya raja-raja atawa kaisar anu kakawasaanana gede pisan, saperti Nebukadnezar jeung nu lainna.  Eta wangsa Yahudi ti baheula oge geus dijajah terus ku eta raja-raja. Dina kitab Perjanjian Lama (Taurat ???) dicaritakeun yen wangsa Yahudi dijajah terus ku wansa lian teh ngahaja eta teh azab ti Gusti Nu Maha Suci kulantaran sok bedegong wae wangsa Yahudi teh teu taat kana aturan para Nabi.  Dina sajarah rebuan taun memang wangsa Yahudi teh dijajah terus diakutan ka nagara lian pikeun dijadikeun budak belian. Boh ku Nebukadnezar boh ku Firaun (lamun ku Firaun mah teu diakut, tapi memang Yahudi mukim ngilu ka Nabi Yusuf basa jadi mentri keuangan di Mesir, saenggeus Nabi Yusuf maot nya lila-lila pamor wangsa Yahudi tinjongklok
 dijadikeun budan belian ku wangsa mesir).

Tah ari nabi Daud jeung anakna Nabi Sulaeman teh kaasup pamingpin/raja Yahudi anu sanggup bertahan tina perbudakan raja/kaisar anu gede. Tapi nya ngan saukur bertahan, teu bisa ari ngagedekeun wilayah ka luar Yerusalem mah. Bertahan oge geus untung.

Tapi naha atuh ari dina dongeng sok jiga pangawasa bumi jeung langit eta dua Nabi teh?  Nya atuh pan puji-pujian ka nabi Daud jeung Sulaeman teh luhur pisan da bisa nahan serangan ti luar. Terus dianggap nabi tah maranehna teh ku wangsa Yahudi. Jadi pan lengkep, ari nabi nya wawakil Gusti Allah, jadi atuh bisa disebut raja langit (simbolik). Nya atuh ari raja di amparan bumi, nya maksud na mah amparan bumi Yerusalem, imahna kaum Yahudi.  Lain amparan bumi sadunya. Da boa ka nagara India oge teu nyahoeun meureun nabi Daud jeung Nabi Sulaeman mah.  Nyaho na teh nagara tatangga weh meureun sapertu Syiria jeung Mesir.

Nya ari geus jadi dongeng mah, komo di madrasah sim kuring di kampung mah, karajaan Sualeman teh gedeeeeeee pisaaaaaan....  
Tah kade dongeng Plato ngeunaan Atlantis oge bisi kitu. Meureun jaman Plato mah pan can aya motor-motor acan, sapedah oge meureun dianggap teknologi tinggi mun geus aya teh. Nya lamun Plato ngagambarkeun Atlantis jiga nagara ajaib, nya atuh tingali weh ku terawang jaman Plato anu jelema bisa mandi saminggu sakali, ulah ku jaman ayeuna.

Wallahu'alam

Febi Ahmad Hazairin
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Ari kuring mah yakin anu pang kolotna ti sunda kang, sabab aya kapanggihna mammoth di tatar sunda teh cenah cirina atlantis,,,hehehehe(keukeuh ah),,,tuluy di palebah wetan di candi panataran (sanajan wilayahna di jawa) aya seueur relief anu ngagambarkeun urg indian maya anu takluk ka bangsa urang,,,tapi upami numutkeun kana sejarah para Nabi kade ulah hilap ka Nabi Sulaeman AS,,,
Cenah eta nabi pang beungharna kungsi cicing di wilayah Indonesia kuring mah yakin anjeunna kungsi cle di tatar sunda sabab cenah harita anjeunna ka negeri Saba anu saur dawuh dina Alquran mah eta negeri the di teuleumkeun ku gusti Alloh SWT,,,persis pisan jeung atlantis tah kang,,tah eta negeri Saba the bisa jadi (panginten) ayana di tatar sunda,,,wallohu alam


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From:  "mang kaby" <dkabayan< at >gmail.com> 
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:04:53 +0000
To: UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Baraya_Sunda<Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Kisunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [Urang Sunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
Ceuk si Kang Herwig Zahorka anu nulis Sunda Kingdom tea ceunah Susundaan anu dilakukeun ku Urang Kanekes eta teh Older than Hindu anu ayeuna aya di India jeung di Bali ceunaaaah hehehe.

Ceunah mah geus apal ngeunaan monoteismeu tea disebutna teh Batara Tunggal, jadi eta Urang kanekes teh sabenerna henteu nyarembah patung, salah pisan lamun mikir kitu. Maranehna nyembah ka Batara Tunggal meureun Alloh SWT ceuk versi Nabi Ibrahim tea mah. Tah Batara Tunggal ieu nurunkeun jelema ka alam dunya disebut ceunah Batara Cikal nya meureun konsep Adam tea manusa pangkolotna. Sigana para Resi di Baduy Jero geus mikiiir secara konsep manehna mikir meureun baheula manehna dilahirkeun ti kolotna... Aya aki aya uyut aya jangawareng jeung teruuus taaaah pasti mikir aya manusa anu Pang Kolotna/ Pang Cikalna tah disebut weh Batara Cikal hehehe. Tidinya Batara Cikal kulantara boga paku / lingga jadi weh pabalatak dimana-2 tah beranak pinak jadi weh jelema sakumna
 dunya ieu hehehe. Tah Simbol Batara Cikal eta dijieunkeun weh patung anu disebutkeun ku MJ tea anu 60cm. Mun teu salah cover hareup Buku The Sunda Kingdom karya si Kang Herwig ieu nunjukeun gambar arca domas, 800 arca tea. Tah anu keur diteangan artina naha bet aya 800 arca nya? Apa si batara cikal eta nurunkeun anak incuna harita nepi ka 800 kitu? Mangrupakeun simbol. 

Tah matakna kuduna ditalungtik ku ahli Arkeologi jeung Geologi kolotan mana sok batu-2 anu aya di Kanekes, Gunung Padang, Tenjolaya, jrrd dibandingkeun jeuuung misalna Kabuyutan di India? China? Mesir? Maya Aztec? Pan pasti bisa diukur lin secara sciencetific sabaraha tahun saacan masehi eta batu-2 teh umurna. Lamun batu nu aya di urang leuwih kolot berarti logikana pan batur anu nurutan urang? Lamun batuan eta leuwih ngora nya berarti urang anu nurutan batur hehehe. 

Anu geus puguh mah, ari dibandingkeun jeung peradaban Islam mah Susundaan leuwih kolot, kusabab
 Purnawarman wae leuwih kolot batan Rosululloh SAW. Rosul oge pan guguru-na ka Nabi Ibrahim AS. Katurunan Ibrahim ti nabi Ismail pan? Lamun Nabi Isa AS ti nabi Ishaq lin? Duanana eta pan anakna Ibrahim AS ti beda Indung tea. Sabenerna anu pangheulana nuliskeun monoteismeu di Agama Samawi pan lain Rosululloh tapi Ibrahim. Rosululloh justru ngukuhkeun jeung nguatkeun deui ajaran ti karuhunna nyaeta nabi Ibrahim AS. 

Ari ceuk Mamang mah teu penting pisan tah di eta kabuyutan teh aya Piramid atawa naon weh... Tapi nu penting dikanyahokeun mah umurna. Da geus puguh eta teh kabuyutan / mandala. Jeung bentukna can tangtu karuhun nyieun konsepna piramid hehehe. Bisa jadi punden berundak, jrrd. Taaaah ngan eta punden berundak teh umurna sabaraha taun? Siga fosil pan bisa di ukur lin oooh ieu umurna sakian puluh rebu taun, jrrd.

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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From:  "mang jamal" <jamal< at >itenas.ac.id> 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:45:41 +0000
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  

Enya, sok rada ateul mun maca carita yen awalna teh hindu budha. Padahal sigana di pulo jawa geus aya manusa lengkep jeung budayana. Dumasar tahapanana. Bisa jadi lila di budaya ngahuma tea alatan dumuk di gunung pasir..

Di kosmologi baduy, manusa awal asalna ti kanekes, persisna diturunkeun ku nu ngersakeun di tempat nu tiap taun sok diziarahan ku inohong baduy. Nu diurus ku puun kampung cikeusik baduy jero.

Cek urang dinya, di lokasi eta aya patung stone  mangrupa manusa ti jaman batu gede (nu make cum mah, megalithicum tea meureun)  jangkungna 60an cm.

Hayu bayangkeun karuhun baheula salaku manusa purba. Can make hp pastina. Baju kulit tatangkalan atawa sato atawa geus bisa ninun, jst.

Mun seug deuih nenjo gunung padang, cianjur, situs megalithikum kacipta manusa sunda (atawa manusa mana nya) harita. Manusa purba kitu nu duka timana. Da dumuk di gunung. Mun asalna ti luar meureun bisa diteangan artefak palabuhan kuno di
 basisir kidul parahuna ge meureun can canggih siga ayeuna..
Mun ti luar nagreg, naha enya bisa manusa purba (ulah disebut  primitif)
Mareuntas jauh pisan ti indihe ke urang. Bisa we meureun. Tapi terus dumuk di gunung teu di basisir. Oh sieun tsunami meureun nya.

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From:  "mang kaby" <dkabayan< at >gmail.com> 
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:49 +0000
To: UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Ceunah mah Wiwitan oge eta bahasa sanskrit artina awalan ceuk urang bali... Tina kecap wiwit.

Banten artina sasajen...

Tapi naha bangsa urang mikirna teh sok jadi sub ordinat baturnya?

Padahal aki mah baheula nyarita sakabeh jelema teh asalna ti Sunda ceunah wkkkk

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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From:  MRachmat Rawyani <mrachmatrawyani< at >yahoo.com> 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 03:03:14 -0700 (PDT)
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
India jaman tahun saeuncanna masehi pan bahasana make bahasa Sangsekerta. Boa-boa kecap sunda ieu teh asalna tina basa Sangsekerta.

mrachmatrawyani

--- On Thu, 5/23/13, nandar <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com> wrote:


sunda tah. Wkwkwkw
pelaut india ngulampreng ka asia tenggara, nya meureun sisi pulo jawa bagian
barat, aya gunung puncakna bodas bakat ku jangkung duka halimun duka salju. Nya
disebut we Sunda. Gunung Sunda (gunung bodas). Cek geologis duka saha, he love,
gunung sunda eta bitu. Tuuuuuu! Jelegur meureun ari bitu mah nya. Tah kota
bandung ayeuna, atawa dano bandung baheula asalna mah cenah kaldera atawa kawah
sesa gunung Sunda nu bitu tea. Sesana aya keneh tangkubanprahu burangrang jeung
kabeh gunung sabudeureun bandung nu aslina mah suku gunung Sunda
Soemadipradja
arab!
kaby <dkabayan< at >gmail.com>
<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Baraya_Sunda
<Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com> 
ngadenge carita samodel kitu... Berarti Arab samemeh Islam nya?
abad ka 4-5 M sementara Islam / Nabi Muhammad SAW abad ka-6 :). 
  Jadi dina perkara elmu falak jeung kalautan urang Islam harita tos
  palinter.  Hiji mangsa, pelaut urang Walanda meunang peta titinggal
  pelaut Islam, da dina peta eta teh pinuh ku aksara arab.
  arab, eta tilu huruf teh dibaca jadi "SUNDA".
  besar, pulau sunda kecil.

Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T14:04:53

Ceuk si Kang Herwig Zahorka anu nulis Sunda Kingdom tea ceunah Susundaan anu dilakukeun ku Urang Kanekes eta teh Older than Hindu anu ayeuna aya di India jeung di Bali ceunaaaah hehehe.

Ceunah mah geus apal ngeunaan monoteismeu tea disebutna teh Batara Tunggal, jadi eta Urang kanekes teh sabenerna henteu nyarembah patung, salah pisan lamun mikir kitu. Maranehna nyembah ka Batara Tunggal meureun Alloh SWT ceuk versi Nabi Ibrahim tea mah. Tah Batara Tunggal ieu nurunkeun jelema ka alam dunya disebut ceunah Batara Cikal nya meureun konsep Adam tea manusa pangkolotna. Sigana para Resi di Baduy Jero geus mikiiir secara konsep manehna mikir meureun baheula manehna dilahirkeun ti kolotna... Aya aki aya uyut aya jangawareng jeung teruuus taaaah pasti mikir aya manusa anu Pang Kolotna/ Pang Cikalna tah disebut weh Batara Cikal hehehe. Tidinya Batara Cikal kulantara boga paku / lingga jadi weh pabalatak dimana-2 tah beranak pinak jadi weh jelema sakumna dunya ieu hehehe. Tah Simbol Batara Cikal eta dijieunkeun weh patung anu disebutkeun ku MJ tea anu 60cm. Mun teu salah cover hareup Buku The Sunda Kingdom karya si Kang Herwig ieu nunjukeun gambar arca domas, 800 arca tea. Tah anu keur diteangan artina naha bet aya 800 arca nya? Apa si batara cikal eta nurunkeun anak incuna harita nepi ka 800 kitu? Mangrupakeun simbol.  

Tah matakna kuduna ditalungtik ku ahli Arkeologi jeung Geologi kolotan mana sok batu-2 anu aya di Kanekes, Gunung Padang, Tenjolaya, jrrd dibandingkeun jeuuung misalna Kabuyutan di India? China? Mesir? Maya Aztec? Pan pasti bisa diukur lin secara sciencetific sabaraha tahun saacan masehi eta batu-2 teh umurna. Lamun batu nu aya di urang leuwih kolot berarti logikana pan batur anu nurutan urang? Lamun batuan eta leuwih ngora nya berarti urang anu nurutan batur hehehe. 

Anu geus puguh mah, ari dibandingkeun jeung peradaban Islam mah Susundaan leuwih kolot, kusabab Purnawarman wae leuwih kolot batan Rosululloh SAW. Rosul oge pan guguru-na ka Nabi Ibrahim AS. Katurunan Ibrahim ti nabi Ismail pan? Lamun Nabi Isa AS ti nabi Ishaq lin? Duanana eta pan anakna Ibrahim AS ti beda Indung tea. Sabenerna anu pangheulana nuliskeun monoteismeu di Agama Samawi pan lain Rosululloh tapi Ibrahim. Rosululloh justru ngukuhkeun jeung nguatkeun deui ajaran ti karuhunna nyaeta nabi Ibrahim AS. 

Ari ceuk Mamang mah teu penting pisan tah di eta kabuyutan teh aya Piramid atawa naon weh... Tapi nu penting dikanyahokeun mah umurna. Da geus puguh eta teh kabuyutan / mandala. Jeung bentukna can tangtu karuhun nyieun konsepna piramid hehehe. Bisa jadi punden berundak, jrrd. Taaaah ngan eta punden berundak teh umurna sabaraha taun? Siga fosil pan bisa di ukur lin oooh ieu umurna sakian puluh rebu taun, jrrd.

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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From: "mang jamal" <jamal< at >itenas.ac.id>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:45:41 
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA


Enya, sok rada ateul mun maca carita yen awalna teh hindu budha. Padahal sigana di pulo jawa geus aya manusa lengkep jeung budayana. Dumasar tahapanana. Bisa jadi lila di budaya ngahuma tea alatan dumuk di gunung pasir..

Di kosmologi baduy, manusa awal asalna ti kanekes, persisna diturunkeun ku nu ngersakeun di tempat nu tiap taun sok diziarahan ku inohong baduy. Nu diurus ku puun kampung cikeusik baduy jero.

Cek urang dinya, di lokasi eta aya patung stone  mangrupa manusa ti jaman batu gede (nu make cum mah, megalithicum tea meureun)  jangkungna 60an cm.

Hayu bayangkeun karuhun baheula salaku manusa purba. Can make hp pastina. Baju kulit tatangkalan atawa sato atawa geus bisa ninun, jst.

Mun seug deuih nenjo gunung padang, cianjur, situs megalithikum kacipta manusa sunda (atawa manusa mana nya) harita. Manusa purba kitu nu duka timana. Da dumuk di gunung. Mun asalna ti luar meureun bisa diteangan artefak palabuhan kuno di basisir kidul parahuna ge meureun can canggih siga ayeuna..
Mun ti luar nagreg, naha enya bisa manusa purba (ulah disebut  primitif)
Mareuntas jauh pisan ti indihe ke urang. Bisa we meureun. Tapi terus dumuk di gunung teu di basisir. Oh sieun tsunami meureun nya.

Powered by du'a indung bapa :)

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From: "mang kaby" <dkabayan< at >gmail.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:05:49 
To: UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Ceunah mah Wiwitan oge eta bahasa sanskrit artina awalan ceuk urang bali... Tina kecap wiwit.

Banten artina sasajen...

Tapi naha bangsa urang mikirna teh sok jadi sub ordinat baturnya?

Padahal aki mah baheula nyarita sakabeh jelema teh asalna ti Sunda ceunah wkkkk

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
www.udarider.com

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From: MRachmat Rawyani <mrachmatrawyani< at >yahoo.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 03:03:14 
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India jaman tahun saeuncanna masehi pan bahasana make bahasa Sangsekerta. Boa-boa kecap sunda ieu teh asalna tina basa Sangsekerta.

mrachmatrawyani

--- On Thu, 5/23/13, nandar <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com> wrote:

From: nandar <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
To: "Kusnet" <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, May 23, 2013, 4:26 PM
















 



  


    
      
      
      












Tah, lebah dieu, pikeun anu ngamadhab ka sasakala urang sunda (indonesia?) nu asalna/loba kacampuran ku india, atawa kapangaruhan budaya india, data ieu ngadukung pisan.From:  Ki Hasan <khs579< at >gmail.com>
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 17:09:15 +0800To: Urang Sunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Cc: Ki Sunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Baraya Sunda<baraya_sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

 



    
      
      
      Aya hal sejen nu perlu ditoong, aya kota di wates India-Pakistan, make ngaran Sunda:


Sunda Map — Satellite Images of Sundaoriginal name: Sunda

geographical location: Bahawalnagar, Punjab, Pakistan, Asia

geographical coordinates: 29° 45' 0" North, 73° 18' 0" East

http://www.maplandia.com/pakistan/punjab/bahawalnagar/sunda/


2013/5/22 mj <jamal< at >itenas.ac.id>
















 



  


    
      
      
      







 

Hahaha bisa jadi kang, buktina urang arab sok jarah ka puncak. Wewengkon
sunda tah. Wkwkwkw

 

 

Versi sejen mah kecap Sunda ti India, hartina bodas. Cenah harita
pelaut india ngulampreng ka asia tenggara, nya meureun sisi pulo jawa bagian
barat, aya gunung puncakna bodas bakat ku jangkung duka halimun duka salju. Nya
disebut we Sunda. Gunung Sunda (gunung bodas). Cek geologis duka saha, he love,
gunung sunda eta bitu. Tuuuuuu! Jelegur meureun ari bitu mah nya. Tah kota
bandung ayeuna, atawa dano bandung baheula asalna mah cenah kaldera atawa kawah
sesa gunung Sunda nu bitu tea. Sesana aya keneh tangkubanprahu burangrang jeung
kabeh gunung sabudeureun bandung nu aslina mah suku gunung Sunda

 

Wallohu alam 

 





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sunda.... jelas lain tina basa
arab!





 















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Pernah
ngadenge carita samodel kitu... Berarti Arab samemeh Islam nya?



Soalna kecap Sunda geus aya samemeh Islam aya? Sundapura jaman Purnawarman eta
abad ka 4-5 M sementara Islam / Nabi Muhammad SAW abad ka-6 :). 





nuhuuuuns,

mang kabayan

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  Kamari dina hiji radio aya anu ngadadarkeun perkara
  kajayaan Islam di widang maritim. Asana teh ahlina salah saurang
  Profesor..... anu ngadosen di IAIN SUnan Gunung Jati Bandung.

  Ceuk cenah mah, Islam teh sumebar ka sakuliah dunya ku cara make jalan laut.
  Jadi dina perkara elmu falak jeung kalautan urang Islam harita tos
  palinter.  Hiji mangsa, pelaut urang Walanda meunang peta titinggal
  pelaut Islam, da dina peta eta teh pinuh ku aksara arab.

  Pulo jawa ditandaan ku kecap sin-nun-dal. Urang Walanda tea teu ngarti basa
  arab, eta tilu huruf teh dibaca jadi "SUNDA".

  

  Sok geura titenan peta-peta di jaman walanda, masih make kecap pulau sunda
  besar, pulau sunda kecil.

  

  mrachmatrawyani

Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T13:15:04

Sae Kang Eko pami aya poto-2na tangkodkeun ka Abdi ti FB oge wios... Mun rada salse mah hayang ngaprak kadinya puguh hehehe.

Engke abdi hoyong ngadamel ngojeg Land Rover tapi konsep-na HERITAGE TRAIL jadi samodel Games Outing tapi bener-2 langsung ngeunaan sajarah Susundaan kitu, siga Bujangga Manik weh baheula. Matakna langsung abdi ngadamel www.udarider.com tea xixixi. Intina mah nga-edukasi masyarakat oooh geuning aya nu kieu didieu. Pan jadi panasaran eeeh naon ieu, naha bet kieu, taaaah lila-2 pan tertarik hehehe. Susuganan taun hareup bisa digarap soalna bakal stand by di Bogor, taun hareup mah jadi bisa lebih fokus hehehe.

Sigana tiasa kerjasama ke sareng Kang Hendra, Kang Hadi Cs tah sakantenan ngahirupkeun kaulinan susundaan tea.
 
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Harita waktos gowes sateuacan kabalong ngalangkung ka guha langkop kang mung teu lami, diluhurna deui sateuacan gunung bunder aya situs megalitikum cibalay sareng aya situs sanesna oge. Didinya oge aya cai nyusu meuni herang visan caina namina cikahuripan, seger langsung dileguk tos cape ngagowes. 


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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:19:05 
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Subject: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

Ceuk babaturan Mamang anu boga indra ka-6 anak Arsitek ITB, ceunah purnawarman samemeh jadi raja manehna diajar elmu pangaweruhna di sakitar Pamoyanan Bogor deukeut Balong Kabayan. Manehna pas ngimpleng Balong nu kapanggih guruna/ resina Purnawarman ceunaaaaaaah wkkkk.

Anu jelas daerah Pamoyanan eta loba pisan caiiiii...di luhurna daerah Cihideung aya Situs Megalitikum oge gua, Kang Eko mun teu salah kungsi sasapedahan kadinya. Mata airna loba pisan jadi lamun jaman baheula didinya loba tempat kahirupan cukup wajar. Malah geus jadi kabiasaan nu ngarana Mata Cai jadi Mandala/ Kabuyutan pusat kaelmuan jaman baheula. Di Balong Mamang oge saeutikna aya 3 mata cai malahan mah mun daek ngorek aya nepi ka 5-na. 

Tah matakna ku Mamang oge si Balong Kabayan ieu kahayangmah jadi Pusat Pengembangan Kabudayaan Sunda hehehe. Ngimpi na mah... Sesuai tugas akhir baheula nyieun Sundanese Culture Development Center :). 
 
nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ahmad Hazairin <don_febi< at >yahoo.de>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:59:31 
To: kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

Sim kuring jadi tertarik ku ibukota Tarumanegara nyaeta Sundapura.
Pura artina 'kumplit', atawa 'whole', 'total', 'keseluruhan'.
Jadi meureun Sundapura teh, bisa diartikeun 'Kebaikan yang hakiki' (punten basa sunda anu pas naon nya kanggo istilah ieu?)

Salam

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Betreff: Re: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA
 


  
Jigana mah leres istilah 'Sunda' teh tina bahsa sangsekerta. Malahan cenah Sunda teh ngaran lain ti Dewa Wisnu.
Ieu aya anu ngasupkeun Sunda kana ngaran anu pantes jang budak lalaki:


Origin and Meaning of the Name Sunda 
 
 
Gender: Boy 

 
Origin: Sanskrit 
Meaning: Melting; very tender 
  

 
Origin: Indian 
Meaning: Melting; very tender 
  

 
Pronunciation: (sun duh)    [Guide] 
Categories: Hindu Names, Sanskrit Names, Indian Names 
 
Used in: Hindi speaking countries  
 
Additional info: A name of Lord Vishnu.

 

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Betreff: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA
 


  
Ceunah mah lain atlantis Kang Sunda mah... Tapi Bangsa Lemuria leuwih kolot deui batan Atlantis hehehe.

Kecap Lemuria ieu nyurup tepi ka ayeuna jadi Lembur hehehe... Panceg dina galur ngajaga lembur hehehe. 

Lamun atlantis resep perang jeung dihukum ku Nu Kawasa taaaah Lemuria mah ceunah cinta damai tapi luhung elmu jeung jagoan telepati hahaha. Aya novel-na mun teu salah. 

Lemuria ieu kadesek ku Atlantis nepika paburincay ka sakumna alam dunya tah atlantis ieu weh nu kawasa anu teu eucreug... Dihukum weh ku Nukawasa hehehe.

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From:  avinkhansamu< at >yahoo.com 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:39 +0000
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
Kumaha lamun saleresna urg Sunda teh nini moyang bangsa India, Indian Maya, Indian Aztec jeung Mesir?,,, anu disebut atlantis tea,,,sabab kuring mah asa aneh ningali situs gunung padang,,,

Jeung saleresna urang Jawa, lombok, madura keing bali teh turunan Sunda,,,

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From:  Ki Hasan <khs579< at >gmail.com> 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:05:41 +0800
To: Baraya Sunda<Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Cc: Ki Sunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Urang Sunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
Moal kitu Kang RH euy, mun jaman Hindu baheula, Tatar Sunda teh di-hindu-keun, tah kiwari jaman Islam, lembur urang-urang teh, di-islam-keun. Nya disedek-sedek we, ngarah aya pakaitna jeung India atawa Arab. Hehehe



2013/5/23 rsyaifoel <no_reply< at >yahoogroups.com>

Keur kuring mah kecap Sunda leuwih aya hubunganana jeung India. di Jawa Kulon teh salah sahiji karajaan Hindu nu pangkolotna di Nusantara.

Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T13:00:41

Wakakakakakak cipaku pan tina pakuan... Batang Kanyuuuuut bin lingga tea. Matakna karuhun percaya yen sakabeh manusa didunya ieu asalna ti Sunda ti CI PAKU... Cai Paku, Sperma anu dibebeskeun kana Yuni jadiiiii weh janin dina jero rahim Indung wkkkk.

Tempo geura sok dina sakabeh kabuyutan eta pasti aya anu ngarana Menhir/ Lingga batu nantung eta simbol monoteismeu tea simboh pakuan kakawasaan Nu Maha Kawasa tea pan. Tah kolot Mamang pas ka haji geuning di Arab oge aya Lingga Simbol oge naha bet sarua nya? Heulaan mana tah Gunung Padang jeung nu di Arab oge jeung anu di Obelisk/ Eropa tah xixixi. Cigana Arkeolog jeung geolog anu bisa nantukeun umurna tina jenis batuan nana pan? Jeung tangtuna tina karbon test atawa naon poho metoda-na. 

Uang mah jelema ngelmu maksudna scientist ulah percaya Embah Dalem, Embah Jamrong, jrrd. Tapi tempo sajarahna, lamun umur batuan nu di gunung padang jeung sababaraha tempat siga di Tenjolaya eta leuwih kolot tibatan ditempat lain nya bearti bener tah yen secara paradaban bangsa urang anu leuwih tiheula aya jeung lumayan maju. 

Keur Mamang ieu aluuuus pisan jadikeun World Heritage Sites, bungkus jeung jieun carita. Mun perlu saluruh jelema sina datang ka urang Ziarah hehehe. Yen maraneh teh kabeh asalna tidieu kituh. Atuuuh puguh lin anu ziarah eta pan pasti butuh nginum, butuh dahar, butuh tempat sare, butuh transport. Tempo weh Ka'bah kumaha mentereng jeung mencrangna ayeuna?

Mamang pernah ngadenge carita sajarah Kebon Sawit ceunah tangkal sawit pangheulana teh mimitina di pelak di Kebon Raya Bogor, tidinya kakarak nyebar kamana-2 malah Malaysia oge eta mangrupakeun anak-na ti tangkal sawit nu di Kebon Raya eeeeeeh ari urang belegug ceunah ceuk Pak Prof Egum Urang Subang Guru Besar IPB dosen pembimbing S2 Mamang. Eta tangkal indung sawit sa asia teh kalahka dituar :((. Atuuuuh puguh ceunah ayeuna anu pangkolotna teh anu aya di Malaysia. Atuuuuh ceunah ayeuna urang Indonesia anu rek nempo tangkal sawit Indung na teh pada ngulampreng ka Malaysia :(((. Nu di urang teu di uruuuuus kalahka dituar haruuuh. 

Malaysia nu pinter kabayang tah anu hayang apal sajarah sawit jeung ngelmu sawit datang ka Malaysia nempo kaditu. Atuuuh meureun pan nu meunang kauntungan multiplier epekna nya Malaysia hehehe.  
 
nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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-----Original Message-----
From: "nandar" <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:19:42 
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Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Urang Sunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

Dingaranan sami sapertos cipaku teh sanes nanaon, mang.. Da baheula mah can aya emur/baud/sekrup. Mun aya mah boa ngaranna pariasi jd ciemur, cibaud, atawa cisekrup.. :p
-----Original Message-----
From: "mang kaby" <dkabayan< at >gmail.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:55:41 
To: UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Baraya_Sunda<Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Kisunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Urang Sunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

Sigana lain istana tapi Kabuyutan/ Mandala/ Kuil tempat para resi ngajarkeun elmu pangaweruh jampe pamake.

Dina tulisan Sajarah Bogor karya Mang Saleh Danasasmita nu ngarana Mandala teh pabalatak ti ujung kulon nepi ka jawa tengah biasana lokasina mun teu digunung nu loba cai/ mata air... nya di walungan. 

Siga di Sumedang Mandala Kabuyutan Aji Putih Resi Darmaraja eta uyutna Darmasiksa anu nyieun Sanghyang Siksa tea lokasina deukeut walungan Chimanuk di Desa Cipaku. Anu ceuk Mamang tea bakal dieleb ku Proyek Jatigede. Taaah kacaritakeun oge salah sahiji Walungan anu dijagaan ku Purnawarman oge Chimanuk jadi sigana yeuh ti Jaman Purnawarman kabuyutan eta geus aya keur ngontrol/ ngecek meureun kondisi Walungan kumaha. 

Tah ayeuna di Pamoyanan Bogor oge deukeut Balong Mamang anu deukeut Walungan Cisadane anu dijaga oge ku Purnawarman aya nu Ngarana Cipaku hehehe. Tah di pas pudunan batutulis anu rek ka stasiun oge aya Kabuyutan didinya anu ayeuna jadi Makam Mbah Dalem hehehe. Teu waleeeg sakabeh patilasan dijadikeun Makam Mbah Dalem sigana wkkkk. Daleeem banget eta si Mbah bet ujug-2 aya didinya xixixi. Ieu oge duka pembodohan duka kumaha xixixi. 

Anu ceuk Mamang hade Urang Sunda harita geus nyieun Ciri Tata Kota anu Hade, tiap tempat Kabuyutan eta dingaranan ampir sarua.... Cipaku, Pamoyanan, jrrd. Sigana di Ampir Kabupaten/ Kota Aya. Di Bandung oge aya Cipaku malah baheula mah tempat renang ti upi deukeut bari ngeceng budak NHI xixixi.

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-----Original Message-----
From: avinkhansamu< at >yahoo.com
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:26:44 
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Boa boa eta gunung padang teh istana raja Sunda wiwitan kang? 
Asa acan mendakan artikel ngeunaan babatuan anu aya di gunung padang kungsi di talungtik sabaraha umurna (tiasa teu nya?) ,,, tp upami aya nu nyebat "megalitikum" mah meureun geus kolot pisan nya,,,
Kamari kamari ieu ceunah aya beja yen di gunung padang kapendak semen purba, tapi aya nu "ngabantah" deui,,,tah mub enya eta semen purba,,,berarti leres ceuk "boa boa" tadi,,,

Piss ah 
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From: "Iskandar A. Adnan" <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:13:32 
To: Kusnet<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

numutkeun Agus Arismunandar (leress kitu? hilap deui), pangaruh Hindu ti
India ka Sunda teu pati jero, ngan kusabab watekna dibawa ku kakawasaan
(konsep karajaan teh dibawa ku India cenah), jadina teh siga anu kuat. di
antarana soal ngaran boh patempatan atawa jalma. lebah ritual kaagamaan, di
Sunda mah Hindu teh 'ukur' nyengcle salaku simbol. misalna tempat A teh
tempat suci atawa tempat ritual kaagamaan urang sunda, cle bae dipasangkeun
patung, teu nepi ka nyieun candi nu alagreng (iwal di wewengkon basisir
cara Cibuaya/Batujaya anu sigana kungsi diperenahkeun jadi puseurna nu
ngagem Buda, pami teu lepat). ari kaagamaanana mah hanteu jero, ku kituna
Tohaan anu ngalalakon dina Bujangga Manik nyebutkeun yen diajar agama
(Hindu) mah ka wetan. Anapon rahayat Sundana mah sumuhun dawuh bae, kumaha
dunungan, ngan hanteu jero pangartina, keur mah eukeur samemehna boga
cecepengan, anu bungkeuleukan titinggalna sarupaning anu kapendak di Gunung
Padang sareng nu sanesna. meureuuuun... :P

2013/5/23 mang jamal

Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T11:55:41

Sigana lain istana tapi Kabuyutan/ Mandala/ Kuil tempat para resi ngajarkeun elmu pangaweruh jampe pamake.

Dina tulisan Sajarah Bogor karya Mang Saleh Danasasmita nu ngarana Mandala teh pabalatak ti ujung kulon nepi ka jawa tengah biasana lokasina mun teu digunung nu loba cai/ mata air... nya di walungan. 

Siga di Sumedang Mandala Kabuyutan Aji Putih Resi Darmaraja eta uyutna Darmasiksa anu nyieun Sanghyang Siksa tea lokasina deukeut walungan Chimanuk di Desa Cipaku. Anu ceuk Mamang tea bakal dieleb ku Proyek Jatigede. Taaah kacaritakeun oge salah sahiji Walungan anu dijagaan ku Purnawarman oge Chimanuk jadi sigana yeuh ti Jaman Purnawarman kabuyutan eta geus aya keur ngontrol/ ngecek meureun kondisi Walungan kumaha. 

Tah ayeuna di Pamoyanan Bogor oge deukeut Balong Mamang anu deukeut Walungan Cisadane anu dijaga oge ku Purnawarman aya nu Ngarana Cipaku hehehe. Tah di pas pudunan batutulis anu rek ka stasiun oge aya Kabuyutan didinya anu ayeuna jadi Makam Mbah Dalem hehehe. Teu waleeeg sakabeh patilasan dijadikeun Makam Mbah Dalem sigana wkkkk. Daleeem banget eta si Mbah bet ujug-2 aya didinya xixixi. Ieu oge duka pembodohan duka kumaha xixixi. 

Anu ceuk Mamang hade Urang Sunda harita geus nyieun Ciri Tata Kota anu Hade, tiap tempat Kabuyutan eta dingaranan ampir sarua.... Cipaku, Pamoyanan, jrrd. Sigana di Ampir Kabupaten/ Kota Aya. Di Bandung oge aya Cipaku malah baheula mah tempat renang ti upi deukeut bari ngeceng budak NHI xixixi.

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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-----Original Message-----
From: avinkhansamu< at >yahoo.com
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:26:44 
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Boa boa eta gunung padang teh istana raja Sunda wiwitan kang? 
Asa acan mendakan artikel ngeunaan babatuan anu aya di gunung padang kungsi di talungtik sabaraha umurna (tiasa teu nya?) ,,, tp upami aya nu nyebat "megalitikum" mah meureun geus kolot pisan nya,,,
Kamari kamari ieu ceunah aya beja yen di gunung padang kapendak semen purba, tapi aya nu "ngabantah" deui,,,tah mub enya eta semen purba,,,berarti leres ceuk "boa boa" tadi,,,

Piss ah 
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From: "Iskandar A. Adnan" <ia.adnan< at >Gmail.com>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:13:32 
To: Kusnet<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

numutkeun Agus Arismunandar (leress kitu? hilap deui), pangaruh Hindu ti
India ka Sunda teu pati jero, ngan kusabab watekna dibawa ku kakawasaan
(konsep karajaan teh dibawa ku India cenah), jadina teh siga anu kuat. di
antarana soal ngaran boh patempatan atawa jalma. lebah ritual kaagamaan, di
Sunda mah Hindu teh 'ukur' nyengcle salaku simbol. misalna tempat A teh
tempat suci atawa tempat ritual kaagamaan urang sunda, cle bae dipasangkeun
patung, teu nepi ka nyieun candi nu alagreng (iwal di wewengkon basisir
cara Cibuaya/Batujaya anu sigana kungsi diperenahkeun jadi puseurna nu
ngagem Buda, pami teu lepat). ari kaagamaanana mah hanteu jero, ku kituna
Tohaan anu ngalalakon dina Bujangga Manik nyebutkeun yen diajar agama
(Hindu) mah ka wetan. Anapon rahayat Sundana mah sumuhun dawuh bae, kumaha
dunungan, ngan hanteu jero pangartina, keur mah eukeur samemehna boga
cecepengan, anu bungkeuleukan titinggalna sarupaning anu kapendak di Gunung
Padang sareng nu sanesna. meureuuuun... :P

2013/5/23 mang jamal

Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T11:19:05

Ceuk babaturan Mamang anu boga indra ka-6 anak Arsitek ITB, ceunah purnawarman samemeh jadi raja manehna diajar elmu pangaweruhna di sakitar Pamoyanan Bogor deukeut Balong Kabayan. Manehna pas ngimpleng Balong nu kapanggih guruna/ resina Purnawarman ceunaaaaaaah wkkkk.

Anu jelas daerah Pamoyanan eta loba pisan caiiiii...di luhurna daerah Cihideung aya Situs Megalitikum oge gua, Kang Eko mun teu salah kungsi sasapedahan kadinya. Mata airna loba pisan jadi lamun jaman baheula didinya loba tempat kahirupan cukup wajar. Malah geus jadi kabiasaan nu ngarana Mata Cai jadi Mandala/ Kabuyutan pusat kaelmuan jaman baheula. Di Balong Mamang oge saeutikna aya 3 mata cai malahan mah mun daek ngorek aya nepi ka 5-na. 

Tah matakna ku Mamang oge si Balong Kabayan ieu kahayangmah jadi Pusat Pengembangan Kabudayaan Sunda hehehe. Ngimpi na mah... Sesuai tugas akhir baheula nyieun Sundanese Culture Development Center :). 
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ahmad Hazairin <don_febi< at >yahoo.de>
Sender: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 11:59:31 
To: kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; UrangSunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

Sim kuring jadi tertarik ku ibukota Tarumanegara nyaeta Sundapura.
Pura artina 'kumplit', atawa 'whole', 'total', 'keseluruhan'.
Jadi meureun Sundapura teh, bisa diartikeun 'Kebaikan yang hakiki' (punten basa sunda anu pas naon nya kanggo istilah ieu?)

Salam

Febi Ahnad Hazairin
==============



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Gesendet: 17:50 Donnerstag, 23.Mai 2013
Betreff: Re: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA
 


  
Jigana mah leres istilah 'Sunda' teh tina bahsa sangsekerta. Malahan cenah Sunda teh ngaran lain ti Dewa Wisnu.
Ieu aya anu ngasupkeun Sunda kana ngaran anu pantes jang budak lalaki:


Origin and Meaning of the Name Sunda 
 
 
Gender: Boy 

 
Origin: Sanskrit 
Meaning: Melting; very tender 
  

 
Origin: Indian 
Meaning: Melting; very tender 
  

 
Pronunciation: (sun duh)    [Guide] 
Categories: Hindu Names, Sanskrit Names, Indian Names 
 
Used in: Hindi speaking countries  
 
Additional info: A name of Lord Vishnu.

 

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Gesendet: 17:27 Donnerstag, 23.Mai 2013
Betreff: [kisunda] Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA
 


  
Ceunah mah lain atlantis Kang Sunda mah... Tapi Bangsa Lemuria leuwih kolot deui batan Atlantis hehehe.

Kecap Lemuria ieu nyurup tepi ka ayeuna jadi Lembur hehehe... Panceg dina galur ngajaga lembur hehehe. 

Lamun atlantis resep perang jeung dihukum ku Nu Kawasa taaaah Lemuria mah ceunah cinta damai tapi luhung elmu jeung jagoan telepati hahaha. Aya novel-na mun teu salah. 

Lemuria ieu kadesek ku Atlantis nepika paburincay ka sakumna alam dunya tah atlantis ieu weh nu kawasa anu teu eucreug... Dihukum weh ku Nukawasa hehehe.

nuhuuuuns,
mang kabayan
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From:  avinkhansamu< at >yahoo.com 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:39 +0000
To: <urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
Kumaha lamun saleresna urg Sunda teh nini moyang bangsa India, Indian Maya, Indian Aztec jeung Mesir?,,, anu disebut atlantis tea,,,sabab kuring mah asa aneh ningali situs gunung padang,,,

Jeung saleresna urang Jawa, lombok, madura keing bali teh turunan Sunda,,,

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From:  Ki Hasan <khs579< at >gmail.com> 
Sender:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 18:05:41 +0800
To: Baraya Sunda<Baraya_Sunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo:  urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com 
Cc: Ki Sunda<kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com>; Urang Sunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA
  
Moal kitu Kang RH euy, mun jaman Hindu baheula, Tatar Sunda teh di-hindu-keun, tah kiwari jaman Islam, lembur urang-urang teh, di-islam-keun. Nya disedek-sedek we, ngarah aya pakaitna jeung India atawa Arab. Hehehe



2013/5/23 rsyaifoel <no_reply< at >yahoogroups.com>

Keur kuring mah kecap Sunda leuwih aya hubunganana jeung India. di Jawa Kulon teh salah sahiji karajaan Hindu nu pangkolotna di Nusantara.

Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T11:08:35

Anu rada asup akal emang Sundaland :)... Soalna nu ditalungtik Gen... Mang Kumi yeuh ahlina urusan DNA -DNA-an mah.

Matakna bangsa Sunda lemah soalna tibaheula geus disetting jadi kuli geus dikondisikeun jadi sub ordinat :((.

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mang kabayan
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From: "mang jamal" <jamal< at >itenas.ac.id>
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:51:26 
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Reply-To: urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA


Enya atlantis teh sundaland bisa jadi. Salah sahiji versi nu kaci dicekel pikeun kabeungharan wawasan. Ngan urang geus biasa disubordinatkeun jadi asa aheng suraheng wkwkwkw

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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:19:39 
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Kumaha lamun saleresna urg Sunda teh nini moyang bangsa India, Indian Maya, Indian Aztec jeung Mesir?,,, anu disebut atlantis tea,,,sabab kuring mah asa aneh ningali situs gunung padang,,,

Jeung saleresna urang Jawa, lombok, madura keing bali teh turunan Sunda,,,

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Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Moal kitu Kang RH euy, mun jaman Hindu baheula, Tatar Sunda teh
di-hindu-keun, tah kiwari jaman Islam, lembur urang-urang teh,
di-islam-keun. Nya disedek-sedek we, ngarah aya pakaitna jeung India atawa
Arab. Hehehe


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mang kaby — 2013-05-23T10:27:43

Ceunah mah lain atlantis Kang Sunda mah... Tapi Bangsa Lemuria leuwih kolot deui batan Atlantis hehehe.

Kecap Lemuria ieu nyurup tepi ka ayeuna jadi Lembur hehehe... Panceg dina galur ngajaga lembur hehehe. 

Lamun atlantis resep perang jeung dihukum ku Nu Kawasa taaaah Lemuria mah ceunah cinta damai tapi luhung elmu jeung jagoan telepati hahaha. Aya novel-na mun teu salah. 

Lemuria ieu kadesek ku Atlantis nepika paburincay ka sakumna alam dunya tah atlantis ieu weh nu kawasa anu teu eucreug... Dihukum weh ku Nukawasa hehehe.

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Kumaha lamun saleresna urg Sunda teh nini moyang bangsa India, Indian Maya, Indian Aztec jeung Mesir?,,, anu disebut atlantis tea,,,sabab kuring mah asa aneh ningali situs gunung padang,,,

Jeung saleresna urang Jawa, lombok, madura keing bali teh turunan Sunda,,,

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Subject: Re: [Baraya_Sunda] Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Moal kitu Kang RH euy, mun jaman Hindu baheula, Tatar Sunda teh
di-hindu-keun, tah kiwari jaman Islam, lembur urang-urang teh,
di-islam-keun. Nya disedek-sedek we, ngarah aya pakaitna jeung India atawa
Arab. Hehehe


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Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Ki Hasan — 2013-05-23T10:05:41

Moal kitu Kang RH euy, mun jaman Hindu baheula, Tatar Sunda teh
di-hindu-keun, tah kiwari jaman Islam, lembur urang-urang teh,
di-islam-keun. Nya disedek-sedek we, ngarah aya pakaitna jeung India atawa
Arab. Hehehe


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rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T09:37:55

Keur kuring mah kecap Sunda leuwih aya hubunganana jeung India. di Jawa Kulon teh salah sahiji karajaan Hindu nu pangkolotna di Nusantara.

Apal kana carita Mahabarata? Pan aya nu ngalalakon pangeran Sunda jeung adi/lanceukna Upasunda? Dina eta carita kasebutkeun yen ieu adi lanceuk indit samedi di gunung, ninggalkeun kahirupan dunya.

Moal boa urang India harita ngahubungkeun Tatar Sunda ayeuna jeung tempat samedina pangeran Sunda jeung Upasunda. Teori kuring mah kieu,sigana anu jadi raja Hindu di Tatar Sunda harita teh urang India. Mere ngaran kana ieu tempat kakawasaan ku ngaran Sunda dihubungkeun jeung mitologi India ngarah kakawasaanana legitim? 

Teuing tah... Dina politik mah pan biasa. Legitimasi kakawasaan sok disambungkeun jeung mitologi. Contona? Loba raja2 jeung sultan2 di Nusantara NYIEUN sarsilah nepi ka Nabi Muhamad misalna!:)) Teu nyabung ge... ah MAKSA we!;))

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Re: Spam RE: [Urang Sunda] Re: [kisunda] Asal Kecap SUNDA

Ki Hasan — 2013-05-23T09:09:15

Aya hal sejen nu perlu ditoong, aya kota di wates India-Pakistan, make
ngaran Sunda:

Sunda Map — Satellite Images of Sunda*original name*: Sunda
*geographical location*: Bahawalnagar, Punjab, Pakistan, Asia
*geographical coordinates*: 29° 45' 0" North, 73° 18' 0" East
http://www.maplandia.com/pakistan/punjab/bahawalnagar/sunda/


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Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T08:10:18

Tah ieu resensina. Ngemplad teuing... diteukteuk weh!

`Monsoon'
By ROBERT D. KAPLAN
Published: November 19, 2010

Chapter One: China Expands Vertically, India Horizontall

Sunday Book Review: `Monsoon' by Robert D. Kaplan (November 21, 2010)
Al Bahr al Hindi is what the Arabs called the ocean in their old navigational treatises. The Indian Ocean and its tributary waters bear the imprint of that great, proselytizing wave of Islam that spread from its Red Sea base across the longitudes to India and as far as Indonesia and Malaysia, so a map of these seas is central to a historical understanding of the faith. This is a geography that encompasses, going from west to east, the Red Sea, Arabian Sea, Bay of Bengal, and Java and South China seas. Here, in our day, are located the violence- and famine-plagued nations of the Horn of Africa, the geopolitical challenges of Iraq and Iran, the fissuring fundamentalist cauldron of Pakistan, economically rising India and its teetering neighbors Sri Lanka and Bangladesh, despotic Burma (over which a contest looms between China and India), and Thailand, through which the Chinese and Japanese, too, may help finance a canal sometime in this century that will affect the Asian balance of power in their favor. Indeed, the canal is just one of several projects on the drawing board, including land bridges and pipelines, that aim to unite the Indian Ocean with the western Pacific.

On the Indian Ocean's western shores, we have the emerging and volatile democracies of East Africa, as well as anarchic Somalia; almost four thousand miles away on its eastern shores the evolving, post-fundamentalist face of Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country in the world. No image epitomizes the spirit of our borderless world, with its civilizational competition on one hand and intense, inarticulate yearning for unity on the other, as much as an Indian Ocean map.

Water, unlike land, bears no trace of history, no message really, but the very act of crossing and recrossing it makes this ocean, in the words of Harvard professor of history Sugata Bose, a "symbol of universal humanity." There are Indian and Chinese, Arab and Persian trading arrangements creating a grand network of cross-oceanic communal ties, brought even closer over the centuries by the monsoon winds and, in the case of the Arabs, Persians, and other Muslims, by the haj pilgrimage. This is truly a global ocean, its shores home to an agglomeration of peoples of the fast-developing former "third world," but not to any superpower: unlike the Atlantic and Pacific. Here is the most useful quarter of the earth to contemplate, pace Fareed Zakaria, a "post-American" world in the wake of the Cold War and the conflicts in Afghanistan and Iraq. Rudyard Kipling's turn of phrase "east of Suez" from the 1890 poem "Mandalay," which begins in Moulmein in Burma, on the Bay of Bengal applies more than ever, though few may realize it.

Cold War military maps highlighted the Arctic, owing to the geography of the Soviet Union and its principal ports. Former president George W. Bush's so-called war on terrorism underscored the Greater Middle East. But the geopolitical map of the world keeps evolving. The arc of crisis is everywhere: a warming Arctic could even become a zone of contention. Because the entire globe is simply too general an instrument to focus on, thus it helps to have a specific cartographic image in mind that includes the majority of world trouble spots, while at the same time focusing on the nexus of terrorism, energy flows, and environmental emergencies such as the 2004 tsunami. Just as phrases matter for good or for bad "the Cold War," "the clash of civilizations" so do maps. The right map provides a spatial view of world politics that can deduce future trends. Although developments in finance and technology encourage global thinking, we are still at the mercy of geography, as the artificiality of Iraq and Pakistan attest.

Americans, in particular, are barely aware of the Indian Ocean, concentrated as they are, because of their own geography, on the Atlantic and the Pacific. World War II and the Cold War confirmed this bias, with Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, the Soviet Union, Korea, and Communist China all with Atlantic or Pacific orientations. This bias is embedded in mapping conventions: Mercator projections tend to place the Western Hemisphere in the middle, so the Indian Ocean is often split up at the far edges of the map. Yet, it is this ocean to which Marco Polo devoted almost an entire book of his travels near the end of the thirteenth century, from Java and Sumatra to Aden and Dhofar. Herein lies the entire arc of Islam, from the eastern fringe of the Sahara Desert to the Indonesian archipelago; thus it follows that the struggle against terrorism and anarchy (which includes piracy) focuses broadly on these tropical waters, between the Suez Canal and Southeast Asia. The Indian Ocean littoral, which takes in Somalia, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Iran, and Pakistan, constitutes a veritable networking map of al-Qaeda, as well as one of disparate groups smuggling hashish and other contraband. Indeed, Iran has supplied Hamas by a sea route from the Persian Gulf to Sudan, and then overland through Egypt.

Here, too, are the principal oil shipping lanes, as well as the main navigational choke points of world commerce the Straits of Bab el Mandeb, Hormuz, and Malacca. Forty percent of seaborne crude oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz at one end of the ocean, and 50 percent of the world's merchant fleet capacity is hosted at the Strait of Malacca, at the other end, making the Indian Ocean the globe's busiest and most important interstate.

Throughout history, sea routes have been more important than land ones, writes Tufts University scholar Felipe Fernandez-Armesto, because they carry more goods more economically. The sea silk route from Venice to Japan across the Indian Ocean in the medieval and early modern centuries was as important as the silk route proper across Central Asia. "Whoever is lord of Malacca has his hands on the throat of Venice," went the saying. Another proverb had it that if the world were an egg, Hormuz was its yoke.

Today, despite the jet and information age, 90 percent of global commerce and two thirds of all petroleum supplies travel by sea. Globalization relies ultimately on shipping containers, and the Indian Ocean accounts for one half of all the world's container traffic. Moreover, the Indian Ocean rimland from the Middle East to the Pacific accounts for 70 percent of the traffic of petroleum products for the entire world. Indian Ocean tanker routes between the Persian Gulf and South and East Asia are becoming clogged, as hundreds of millions of Indians and Chinese join the global middle class, necessitating vast consumption of oil. The world's energy needs will rise by 50 percent by 2030, and almost half of that consumption will come from India and China. India soon to become the world's fourth largest energy consumer after the United States, China, and Japan is dependent on oil for more than 90 percent of its energy needs, and 90 percent of that oil will soon come from the Persian Gulf by way of the Arabian Sea. Indeed, before 2025, India will overtake Japan as the world's third largest net importer of oil after the United States and China. And as India must satisfy a population that will be the most populous in the world before the middle of this century, its coal imports from Mozambique, in the southwestern Indian Ocean, are set to increase dramatically, adding to the coal that India already imports from Indian Ocean countries such as South Africa, Indonesia, and Australia. In the future, India-bound ships will also be carrying enormous quantities of liquefied natural gas across the western half of the Indian Ocean from southern Africa, even as it continues to import gas from Qatar, Malaysia, and Indonesia. This is how African poverty may be partially assuaged: less by Western foreign aid than by robust trade with the richer areas of the former third world.

Then there is China, whose demand for crude oil doubled between 1995 and 2005, and will double again in the coming decade or two, as it imports 7.3 million barrels of crude daily by 2020 half of Saudi Arabia's planned output. More than 85 percent of that China-bound oil will pass across the span of the Indian Ocean through the Strait of Malacca: the reason China is desperate for alternative energy routes to the Pacific, as well as overland ones into China from Central Asia, Pakistan, and Burma. The combined appetites of China, Japan, and South Korea for Persian Gulf oil already make the Strait of Malacca home to half of world oil flows and close to a quarter of global trade.

"No ocean is in need of strategic stability more than the Indian Ocean, which is arguably the most nuclearized of the seven seas," notes the defense analyst Thomas P.M. Barnett. "Among the nuclear powers whose navies ply this ocean are the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, and Israel."

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rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T08:07:42


Ketah teu salah2 teuing ideuna, yen urang Arab boga pangaruh dina widang kabaharian. Baca buku Robert Kaplan anu juduna Monsoon. 

Ngan anu jelas, urang NL teu boga hubungan jeung Arab. Urang NL nyolong pangaweruh kalautan ti urang Portugis! Urang Portugis ti padagang Arab. 



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Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T07:50:01

He he he... asa sering manggihan teori model kieu teh di Sunda mah. teuing naon maksudna, hayang GAGAYAAN kitu, ngarah Sunda siga boga pangaruh di dunya?:)))

Ketah aya oge istilahna di urang mah, nu kieu teh sok disebut KIRATA tea he he he. Dikira2 we najan euweuh kanyataanna ge! Sagala rupa dipas2keun, didedet2keun, diwewel2keun...nu penting bisa asup! Haduh. Era .... kalan2 diseungseurikeun batur.

Kecap Sunda made in Walanda? Ehm.....

Ngarah teu ngaco: pek dialajar sajarah jeung arkeologi, mun daek palentologi sakalian!

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Re: yodium|?

rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T07:43:36

Teu aya hubunganana Kang! 100% ngaco he he he... Pedah kekecapan rada mirip yodium jeung yahudi; duanana minterkeun batur!;))

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Re: promosi euy!

rsyaifoel — 2013-05-23T07:41:15

Nuhun Kang. Lumayan lah itung2 latihan ngasak uteuk jeung ngasah pena budak teh. Mudah2an we sina jadi tukang nulis anu hade. Teu jadi masalah keur kuring mah rek nulis fiksi atawa non fiksi oge.

Tah enya. Sigana mun bisa nulis kalawan runtut, eusi sirah bisa runtut oge. Moal nepi ka kudu parasea mun boga ideu anu beda. Kamari maca, aya politikus PAN anu parasesa, garelut nepi ka paehna! Teuing naon anu diparebutkeunana. :(((


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Re: Asal Kecap SUNDA

mang kaby — 2013-05-23T06:28:52

Enya Bah... Kumaha lamun dibalik caritana kulantaran Sunda leuwih kolot ti Islam hehehe.

Ceuk ceunah mah Ibrahim ~ Brahm ~ Brahma oge apanan Urang Sunda ti Bojong Menje hehehe.

Purnawarman oge ceunah Hindu tapi tiap sangeus nyieun kali / walungan bet meuncitan sapi hehehe kurban ceunah hehehe. Mun Hindu mah maenya Dewa di Peuncit hehehe.

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Enya, jiga kecap haji, pan di sunda buhun oge aya kecap haji, samemeh pangaruh Islam asup ka Nusantara.

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Pernah ngadenge carita samodel kitu... Berarti Arab samemeh Islam nya?

Soalna kecap Sunda geus aya samemeh Islam aya? Sundapura jaman Purnawarman eta abad ka 4-5 M sementara Islam / Nabi Muhammad SAW abad ka-6 :). 
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT)To: urangsunda urangsunda<urangsunda< at >yahoogroups.com>ReplyTo:  kisunda< at >yahoogroups.com
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      Kamari dina hiji radio aya anu ngadadarkeun perkara kajayaan Islam di widang maritim. Asana teh ahlina salah saurang Profesor..... anu ngadosen di IAIN SUnan Gunung Jati Bandung.
Ceuk cenah mah, Islam teh sumebar ka sakuliah dunya ku cara make jalan laut. Jadi dina perkara elmu falak jeung kalautan urang Islam harita tos palinter.  Hiji mangsa, pelaut urang Walanda meunang peta titinggal pelaut Islam, da dina peta eta teh pinuh ku aksara arab.
Pulo jawa ditandaan ku kecap sin-nun-dal. Urang Walanda tea teu ngarti basa arab, eta tilu huruf teh dibaca jadi "SUNDA".

Sok geura titenan peta-peta di jaman walanda, masih make kecap pulau sunda besar, pulau sunda kecil.

mrachmatrawyani