http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7232 <pre>Smithsonian Institution POSITION AVAILABLE PROJECT MANAGER APPLICATION DEADLINE: March 1, 2010 START DATE: (pending background check) SALARY: $51,630 per annum INTRODUCTION This three-year term position is located in the National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, Washington, DC. Under the direct supervision of Program Directors Rusty Russell, Department of Botany, and Anne Van Camp, SI Archives, incumbent will run the day-to-day activities of a new grant funded project to locate, catalog and make available all biological field books and original expedition journals at the Smithsonian Institution. DUTIES Primary responsibilities include: 1. Coordinating with representatives of the Natural Collections Description (NCD) Working Group and staff of the Biodiversity Heritage Library (BHL) in establishing shared metadata schema. 2. Coordinating with other libraries, archives, and collections organizations to ensure community involvement and buy-in. 3. Overseeing the work of the Senior Cataloger and contract catalogers; with Senior Cataloger, developing manuals and tutorials to document workflow processes; ensuring that assignments are made and tasks are completed in order to keep project on its timeline. 4. Ensuring that all project work is sufficiently supplied and supported. 5. Coordinating with the Office of the Chief Information Officer (OCIO) as digital content, applications and tools are developed. 6. Producing scheduled progress reports. QUALIFICATIONS: Applicant must have minimally a Master’s degree in Library and Information Sciences. Applicant may replace Master’s degree with three years of demonstrated employment with responsibilities that contribute to requirements below. Incumbent must possess significant familiarity with library information science, an understanding of how concepts translate into applications, and an understanding of policies and procedures related to libraries, archives and museum collections. Incumbent should be familiar with information standards including MARC, and other description standards; should possess an understanding of how metadata relate to physical objects, and how various metadata schema relate to each other. Incumbent should possess the ability to confidently supervise the work of others; should be familiar with personnel management tools and performance related evaluations. Incumbent should be able to communicate effectively in writing to a variety of audiences; should be able to communicate orally, both in one-on-one conversations and in public situations. Applications: Email application materials as PDF documents to Anne Van Camp ( VanCampA&lt; at &gt;si.edu) AND Rusty Russell (russellr&lt; at &gt;si.edu). 1) personal letter of introduction 2) full academic and professional resume 3) two (2) professional references </pre> Suzanne Pilsk 2010-02-09T15:12:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7231 <pre>I will be out of the office starting 02/09/2010 and will not return until 02/15/2010. </pre> Fran Rosen 2010-02-09T15:00:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7230 <pre>Earlybird registration ends 15 February 2010! International conference on emerging technologies in academic libraries 2010 (emtacl10) 26-28 April 2010, Trondheim, Norway This is a new international conference for academic librarians, information professionals, academic staff, students, library system developers and suppliers, among others. The conference aims to provide answers to the following questions: What can academic libraries do to address change? How can we adapt? Which technologies can/should/must we use/create? (View the conference programme &lt;http://www.ntnu.no/ub/emtacl/?programme&gt;) Keynote speakers: Lorcan Dempsey (OCLC), Conor Galvin (UCD), Guus van den Brekel (UMCG), Ida Aalen (NTNU), Martin Malmsten (Libris), Chris Clarke (Talis). The conference is hosted by NTNU Library, the Library of the Norwegian university of science and technology in Trondheim, Norway. Earlybird registration (before 15 February 2010) EUR 360 Registration after 15 February EUR 400 Conference dates: 26?28 April 2010 Direct link for registration &lt;http://www.ntnu.no/ub/emtacl/?registration&gt; For additional information, please visit the conference website: &lt;http://www.emtacl.com or email us emtacl&lt; at &gt;ub.ntnu.no&gt; Karen Johanne Buset (organizing committee chair) Ole Husby (program committee chair) </pre> Linda Østbye 2010-02-09T13:45:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7229 <pre>Colleagues/ "Global, Mobile, Virtual, and Social: The College Campus of Tomorrow" A Great Article From A Future Issue Of _The Futurist_ [:-) IMHO &gt; Most Prescient Insights From The Late Sixties / Early Seventies [OMG] [:-) BTW: Ony Teg Had The Adventure [:-&gt; /Gerry Global, Mobile, Virtual, and Social: The College Campus of Tomorrow John Dew / The Futurist / Washington / Mar/Apr 2010 / Vol. 44 / Iss. 2 / pg. 46 / 5 pgs [snip] An educator and strategic planner outlines the trends leading to a long-forecast future for colleges and universities: Global standardization of education content and accreditation, greater diversity in the student body, and more options for where, when, and how learning takes place. In 1972, visionary futurists Robert Theobald and J. M. Scott wrote one of the most interesting works related to education in the field of future studies, Teg's 1994: An Anticipation of the Near Future. Like many significant studies of the future, Teg's 1994 was written as a work of fiction, in this case about a college student named Teg and her experiences as an "Orwell Scholar" in the year 1994. What makes Teg's 1994 significant is the nature of the future of higher education that Theobald and Scott envisioned and how much of it has come to pass. In many ways, Teg's 1994 can also provide valuable insights into the future of higher education that this fictional student's own children and grandchildren might encounter over the next 25 years. Theobald and Scott were able to fairly accurately describe many of the trends in higher education that have actually occurred over the intervening 37 years. This includes a description of a worldwide computer system that provides Teg with opportunities to conduct her own research, as well as communicate with her peers; campus locations around the world that enable her to conduct her studies in different geographical settings; a faculty member who serves as a mentor, with whom she corresponds by e-mail; and ... . [more] Links TO Additional Excerpts and To Full Text Option(s) Available At [ http://tinyurl.com/yfluej5 ] From A Very/Very Snowy Central Iowa Regards, /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 Follow Me On Twitter &gt; http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs </pre> gerrymck 2010-02-08T20:05:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7228 <pre>You are very welcome to submit a proposal! A reminder: Call for papers for the 34th ELAG conference, 9-11th June 2010, "Meeting New User Expectations", Helsinki, Finland The ELAG (European Library Automation Group) Conference is Europe's premier conference for library and information management technology. The meetings aim at in depth discussions of particular library automation topics and at the promotion of informal exchange of ideas and experience. The topics covered are technical and meant for participants with an appropriate technical background. We invite you to submit a paper on this year's main topic "Meeting New User Expectations". You will find more information about ELAG, the topic and its sub-themes below. Information about the conference can be found at: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ . The paper should be submitted from http://indico.cern.ch/event/elag2010 . Here you will also find more information about the Call for Papers. The deadline is February 15th 2010. If you have any questions concerning the Call for papers, please contact one of the co-chairs of the programme committee: Kristin Olofsson, kristin.olofsson&lt; at &gt;kb.se Roy Gundersen, roy.gundersen&lt; at &gt;bibsys.no Meeting New User Expectations Users' perspective on information retrieval is largely shaped by web experiences. Accordingly libraries are feeling pressure to adapt their services in line with new user expectations.......". Sub themes of the conference These can be found here: http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/conference/sub-themes/ Pre-conference There will be a pre-conference meeting of one day, unconference style, on "Using Solr to index your bibliographic data". This will be held on the 8th June 2010. More information will be available later at the website http://elag2010.nationallibrary.fi/ Best regards, Kristin --------------------------- Kristin Olofsson Department for National Cooperation/LIBRIS Kungl. biblioteket / National Library of Sweden Mail: Box 5039, 102 41 STOCKHOLM Visit: Biblioteksgatan 29 Phone: +46-8-463 42 52 Fax: +46-8-463 42 65 Mobile: 073 917 33 82 Email: Kristin.Olofsson&lt; at &gt;kb.se &lt;mailto:Kristin.Olofsson&lt; at &gt;kb.se&gt; www.kb.se &lt;http://www.kb.se/&gt; </pre> Kristin Olofsson 2010-02-07T17:44:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7227 <pre>National Institute For Technology In Liberal Education For faculty, instructional technologists, and others interested in using smartphones for student projects including digital storytelling, mapping, polling, and in-field data collection. Delivered Online In Our Virtual Auditorium Program Description Mobile phones present a familiar challenge as an instructional technology: Since everyone has them, there must be a way to use them for teaching and learning. Seton Hall University has been exploring possible uses through its mobile initiative. In this session Michael Taylor, Assistant Professor of Political Science and Director of the Center for Mobile Research and Social Change at Seton Hall University, will discuss the uses of smartphones in the classroom across multiple disciplines. Taylor will present the use of mobile devices in student projects including digital storytelling, mapping, polling, and in-field data collection. These projects highlight the functionality of smartphones to improve classroom communication, collaboration, and connectivity. Discussion will also cover the diverse pedagogical goals that were addressed in these mobile projects, as well as some of the challenges encountered in piloting these mobile projects. The “Special Topics in Digital Teaching” series offers a sequence of interactive discussions showcasing how faculty are using digital technology for teaching and learning. The series is delivered online via NITLE’s multipoint interactive videoconferencing environment and is designed to help faculty make the transition from learning a new technology to using it effectively for teaching and learning. Participants are invited to join these lively discussions from the convenient location of their campus offices. Registration Please register by sending an e-mail to participate&lt; at &gt;nitle.org. Questions For more information about this event or the “Special Topics in Digital Teaching” series, please contact Rebecca Davis at rdavis&lt; at &gt;nitle.org . Suggestions for series programming are welcome. Links To Source / SHUmobile (Seton Hall University Mobile) Project Available At [ http://tinyurl.com/yjh9xvs ] !!! Thanks To / Nancy Proctor / Head of New Media Initiatives / Smithsonian American Art Museum / For The HeadsUp !!! EnJoY /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 Follow Me On Twitter &gt; http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs </pre> gerrymck 2010-02-06T01:12:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7226 <pre>Cross-posted; apologies for duplication. ********************************************* Hello friends, The December 2009 issue of /Information Technology and Libraries/ (ITAL), LITA's peer-reviewed quarterly journal, is online and accessible to all LITA members. Issues older than six months are open to all. ITAL's main page is at &lt;http://www.lita.org/ala/mgrps/divs/lita/ital/italinformation.cfm&gt;. ITALica &lt;http://ital-ica.blogspot.com/&gt;, the weblog discussion area for ITAL, has been updated with information about the latest issue. ITALica features supplementary materials not included with the regular print and electronic versions of /Information Technology and Libraries/, such as "letters to the editor", updates to articles, and other materials we can't work into the journal. One of the most important features of ITALica is a forum for readers' conversations with our authors, wherein authors host and monitor discussion for a period of time after publication of their articles, so that you then have a chance to interact with them. ITALica offers you the opportunity to discuss with the following ITAL authors their papers in the latest issue: "'Discovery' Focus as Impetus for Organizational Learning" / Jennifer L. Fabbi "Information Discovery Insights Gained from MultiPAC, a Prototype Library Discovery System" / Alex A. Dolski "Usability as a Method for Assessing Discovery" / Tom Ipri, Michael Yunkin, and Jeanne M. Brown "UNLV Special Collections in the Twenty-First Century" / Thomas Sommer "Smartphones: A Potential Discovery Tool" / Wendy Starkweather and Eva Stowers "Building Pathfinders with Free Screen Capture Tools" / Patrick Griffis "Enhancing OPAC Records for Discovery" / Patrick Griffis and Cyrus Ford No membership is required to view or participate in ITALica. We hope to see you there! </pre> Andy Boze 2010-02-05T22:40:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7225 <pre>  "In another blow to Google's plan to create a giant digital library and bookstore, the Justice Department on Thursday said that a class-action settlement between the company and groups representing authors and publishers had significant legal problems, even after recent revisions."   http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/05/technology/internet/05publish.html   Bernie Sloan </pre> B.G. Sloan 2010-02-05T16:12:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7224 <pre>Hi, folks. If you'll permit me to return for a moment to the discussion-topic which ran for a while on this list a couple of weeks back and which some of you presumably found to be of some interest -- on the question of what a "document" is, or what should be considered as such : In going through some of my old digital records for purposes of housekeeping today, I came across an old reference to something I'd since forgotten about but which is very relevant to the matter. It was a project ( "un travail collectif de réflexion" ) carried out at the CNRS (Centre national de la recherche scientifique). The point was as follows : "Il se propose de préciser la notion de document dans son passage au numérique à partir de recherches qui privilégient plutôt la forme (comme un objet matériel ou immatériel), le signe (comme un porteur de sens) ou la relation (comme un vecteur de communication).". You'll find a very interesting paper on this by Roger Pédauque, dating from 2003, at http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/06/21/68/HTML/index.html under the title "Document : forme, signe et relation, les re-formulations du numérique", with a somewhat later version in the Archive Ouverte en Sciences de l'Information et de la Communication at http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/06/21/99/PDF/sic_00000511.pdf. See also the piece by Jean-Michel Salaün at http://archivesic.ccsd.cnrs.fr/docs/00/06/23/26/HTML/index.html Just thought I'd mention this, for anyone who may be inclined to pursue the matter. - Laval Hunsucker Breukelen, Nederland </pre> Laval Hunsucker 2010-02-05T13:25:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7223 <pre> I also made a posting of a summary of the presentations: Mashups of Bibliographic Data: A Report of the ALCTS Midwinter Forum http://dltj.org/article/mashups-of-bib-data/ Peter </pre> Peter Murray 2010-02-05T03:12:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7222 <pre>Good news! The New England Technical Services Librarians (NETSL) Executive Board has extended the nomination deadline for its annual NETSL Award for Excellence in Library Technical Services. We know you've got someone in mind. They've inspired you by meeting challenges head on; they're innovative practitioners that keep the technical services department ahead of the curve; the library as a whole flourishes because of their efforts; they put the service in technical services! Eligible librarians include those who live outside of New England but whose service to the profession has impacted New England libraries, and those who reside in New England and have made contributions on a national level through publications, service, or innovations in practice. Nominations will be accepted until February 17th. The award will be presented on April 15, 2010 at the NETSL Annual Spring Conference: Crosswalks to the Future at the College of the Holy Cross in Worcester, MA. Go to http://www.nelib.org/netsl/conference/2010/index.htm for additional details. Eligibility for nomination is as follows: * Nominees may be NETSL/NELA members, but membership in the Association is not required. * A nomination must be accompanied by a written statement that includes the reasons for nomination and a narrative summary of the nominee's career and achievements. The person's resume or CV may be used to meet this requirement. * You do not have to be a NETSL member to make a nomination. * Please send your nominations and the above documentation to the NETSL Vice-President no later than Wednesday, February 17, 2010. Contact information for Amira Aaron, NETSL Vice President, appears below. * Current members of the NETSL Executive Board are not eligible for consideration Past Recipients include: Martha Rice Sanders, David Miller, Lisa Palmer, Catherine Willis, Matthew Beacom, Robert L. Cunningham, Dr. Sheila Intner, Birdie MacLennan, and Lynda Kresge. Additional details are available on the NETSL section of the NELA Web site: http://nelib.org/netsl/award2010call.htm If you have further questions or would like to nominate someone, please contact: Amira Aaron NETSL Vice-President/President-Elect libconsultaa&lt; at &gt;gmail.com 781-248-1806 (cell) NETSL is a section of the New England Library Association and is affiliated with the ALCTS Council of Regional Groups. For more information on NETSL, visit our website at: http://www.netsl.org </pre> Helen L 2010-02-05T04:41:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7221 <pre>Apologies for cross-posting, but this seems very relevant to everyone on these lists. This is a description of a very interesting meeting over metadata, with many groups involved. http://go-to-hellman.blogspot.com/2010/01/google-exposes-book-metadata-privates.html James Weinheimer j.weinheimer&lt; at &gt;aur.edu&lt;mailto:j.weinheimer&lt; at &gt;aur.edu&gt; Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 </pre> Weinheimer Jim 2010-02-04T09:06:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7220 <pre>Dan Brickley has made some interesting use of CERN library's data. He posted a visualization on flickr that gives an overview over the collection's composition based on UDC classes: http://www.flickr.com/photos/danbri/4326955233/ Patrick Danowski - Emerging Technologies Librarian at the CERN - says in a blogpost (http://www.bibliothek2null.de/2010/02/03/open-data-works/) that this is a nice example of a non-intended use of open data. And unintended (re)use of data is the main reason for opening up data in the first place... Adrian Karen, I agree with you 100% and why I went into the detail in the first place. I think one of our basic tasks will be to *work together* for the benefit of all. That does not mean that everything must be "dumbed down" but standards must be maintained somehow. Having the open metadata from CERN is absolutely great, and Adrian explained the importance of truly open data very well, but somehow we all must find some kind of ways to cooperate, because otherwise, we will be doomed to recatalog the same things over and over and over again because the other standards don't measure up. In my own opinion, one of the first chores is for the metadata creators to understand the standards used by other communities, and this is why I initiated the Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ (shameless self-promotion!). This will be a painful process in many ways but I think if we don't do it ourselves, Google-like entities will do it for us by mashing everything together. James Weinheimer j.weinheimer&lt; at &gt;aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -----Original Message----- From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:18 PM To: NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] The CERN Library publishes its book catalog as Open Data Whoa! Wait a minute! Do we reject all data that doesn't look like ours? Are we unable to make use of data from other communities? That's a pretty insular point of view. Why not look for how we can benefit from this data rather than rejecting it out of hand? Yes, they use different cataloging rules. But they have scientific reports that we will probably not find elsewhere. No size? that only would matter to a library that was putting it on a shelf, and then only if it is an especially odd size. I've been thinking that we should drop size altogether except for ones that need special shelving. (For modern books, not rare books.) Only the first place of publication is given? Show me an example where I need both in order to get a book to a user. (Actually, show me an example, in a modern book, where I need place of publication at all to get a book to a user.) How different is "277 p." from "xx, 277 p."? Well I can tell you that no one outside of libraries has any clue as to what that "xx" means, but "277 p." in both of those statements is clear. Different subject headings? I see that as *more* not *less*. We also get different subject headings from publishers, and often they are closer to what the user is seeking than LCSH. Really, folks, try the glass half full approach, or die of thirst while others create flexible, open bibliographic resources. kc p.s. we will be ingesting these records into the Open Library, and quite honestly I don't think it'll be difficult. </pre> Adrian Pohl 2010-02-03T13:39:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7219 <pre> A couple of weeks ago I saw a preview of the XC webcast described above. It describes things such as: 1) XC 2) what it is accomplishing 3) the software they have made available 4) how the whole thing fits together to solve real problems It is worth the time of both catalogers as well as software engineers. Standards compliant. Useful. Elegant. Forward thinking. Sensitive to everybody's needs and desires. </pre> Eric Lease Morgan 2010-02-03T13:18:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7218 <pre>[1] Mobile Learning Fundamentals: Innovation Showcase and Real-World Examples / Presented by A.J. Ripin / With Special Guest &gt; Dr. David Metcalf The way that we live, work, play, and learn is being impacted by the increasing mobility of our global society. As leaders, it is our responsibility to design for the needs of our changing audience. Learn the key trends and technologies that are fast emerging to meet the challenges and changes of today and tomorrow. Come hear this conversation as we explore advanced concepts like mobile performance support, compliance, games and simulations, location awareness, transcoding, mobile social networking and collaboration. Learn firsthand how world leaders from industry, academia, military and organizations like Google, Microsoft, Tyco International, Tufts University and others are delivering value through Mobile Learning content. [2] Mind Over Technology – The Value Of Content Design In Mobile Educatio / Presented by Supra Manohar / EVP Emantras The discussion of mobility in education has primarily focused on technology and devices. It is critical to understand that the maturation of the market is driving the need for understanding content design and why it is probably one of the most critical aspects of any mobile learning initiative. Understanding how we learn in specific environments is critical to learning design. Using online content without pedagogical modifications within mobile environments probably does not work. The primary thrust of mobile education must be the design of the content and utilization of technology to deliver this content. This presentation will explore learning design for mobile environments and critical factors that need to be considered for a successful initiative (relative to content). Links To Source / Registration / Etc Available At [ http://tinyurl.com/yhx5sff ] EnJOY !!! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 Follow Me On Twitter &gt; http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs </pre> gerrymck 2010-02-02T22:17:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7217 <pre>Colleagues/ !!! Another Tipping Point !!! If You Aware Of Other E-Journal Apps /Mobile Access, Please Leave As Comment On The Associated Blog Post. Thanks A Million ! /Gerry The World's Best Science And Medicine At Your Fingertips The nature.com iPhone application allows you to access science news stories and the latest published research from Nature Publishing Group on your iPhone wherever you are. As new articles are published they're pushed straight to your iPhone where you can read the full text immediately or just save them for later. Tell the app which journals you're interested in or set up saved searches, which will show you the titles and abstracts of new articles from any journals in PubMed that match your key words. Keeping abreast of the latest research has never been easier! Features Great reading experience- the nature.com app has been designed to make reading scientific content on the iPhone a rewarding experience. A fast, attractive interface lets you get straight to the news and research you need and lets you read it comfortably and with minimum fuss. Save for later- want to skim abstracts on the bus but read the full text back at your desk? Just use the application's "save" button and a link and downloadable citation for that article will appear on this website. Saved searches- set up saved searches on PubMed or nature.com so that you can be alerted to new, relevant research as soon as it gets published. Zoom and pan figures- tap on a figure and it'll open a new screen where you can pan and zoom in to see fine detail, making best use of the iPhone's smaller screen. Easy references- no need to jump to the end of the document and back to assess a reference, just tap it to get details. Links To Source / App / Etc. Available At [ http://tinyurl.com/y8vd94f ] !!! Thanks To / Barbara Quint / Editor / Searcher: The Magazine For Database Professionals / For The HeadsUp !! /Gerry Gerry McKiernan Associate Professor Science and Technology Librarian Iowa State University Library Ames IA 50011 Follow Me On Twitter &gt; http://twitter.com/GMcKBlogs </pre> gerrymck 2010-02-01T17:07:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7216 <pre>Karen, I agree with you 100% and why I went into the detail in the first place. I think one of our basic tasks will be to *work together* for the benefit of all. That does not mean that everything must be "dumbed down" but standards must be maintained somehow. Having the open metadata from CERN is absolutely great, and Adrian explained the importance of truly open data very well, but somehow we all must find some kind of ways to cooperate, because otherwise, we will be doomed to recatalog the same things over and over and over again because the other standards don't measure up. In my own opinion, one of the first chores is for the metadata creators to understand the standards used by other communities, and this is why I initiated the Cooperative Cataloging Rules http://sites.google.com/site/opencatalogingrules/ (shameless self-promotion!). This will be a painful process in many ways but I think if we don't do it ourselves, Google-like entities will do it for us by mashing everything together. James Weinheimer j.weinheimer&lt; at &gt;aur.edu Director of Library and Information Services The American University of Rome via Pietro Roselli, 4 00153 Rome, Italy voice- 011 39 06 58330919 ext. 258 fax-011 39 06 58330992 -----Original Message----- From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Karen Coyle Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:18 PM To: NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] The CERN Library publishes its book catalog as Open Data Whoa! Wait a minute! Do we reject all data that doesn't look like ours? Are we unable to make use of data from other communities? That's a pretty insular point of view. Why not look for how we can benefit from this data rather than rejecting it out of hand? Yes, they use different cataloging rules. But they have scientific reports that we will probably not find elsewhere. No size? that only would matter to a library that was putting it on a shelf, and then only if it is an especially odd size. I've been thinking that we should drop size altogether except for ones that need special shelving. (For modern books, not rare books.) Only the first place of publication is given? Show me an example where I need both in order to get a book to a user. (Actually, show me an example, in a modern book, where I need place of publication at all to get a book to a user.) How different is "277 p." from "xx, 277 p."? Well I can tell you that no one outside of libraries has any clue as to what that "xx" means, but "277 p." in both of those statements is clear. Different subject headings? I see that as *more* not *less*. We also get different subject headings from publishers, and often they are closer to what the user is seeking than LCSH. Really, folks, try the glass half full approach, or die of thirst while others create flexible, open bibliographic resources. kc p.s. we will be ingesting these records into the Open Library, and quite honestly I don't think it'll be difficult. </pre> Weinheimer Jim 2010-02-01T15:54:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7215 <pre>Whoa! Wait a minute! Do we reject all data that doesn't look like ours? Are we unable to make use of data from other communities? That's a pretty insular point of view. Why not look for how we can benefit from this data rather than rejecting it out of hand? Yes, they use different cataloging rules. But they have scientific reports that we will probably not find elsewhere. No size? that only would matter to a library that was putting it on a shelf, and then only if it is an especially odd size. I've been thinking that we should drop size altogether except for ones that need special shelving. (For modern books, not rare books.) Only the first place of publication is given? Show me an example where I need both in order to get a book to a user. (Actually, show me an example, in a modern book, where I need place of publication at all to get a book to a user.) How different is "277 p." from "xx, 277 p."? Well I can tell you that no one outside of libraries has any clue as to what that "xx" means, but "277 p." in both of those statements is clear. Different subject headings? I see that as *more* not *less*. We also get different subject headings from publishers, and often they are closer to what the user is seeking than LCSH. Really, folks, try the glass half full approach, or die of thirst while others create flexible, open bibliographic resources. kc p.s. we will be ingesting these records into the Open Library, and quite honestly I don't think it'll be difficult. </pre> Karen Coyle 2010-02-01T15:18:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7214 <pre>That's good. I don't understand the statement "surprisingly few libraries have so far set free the data they produce themselves." There are hundreds of libraries offering free direct Z39.50 access to their bib records. Just because you don't like MARC doesn't negate the fact that the information is easily available and free. "Free access" doesn't equal open data. "Open" - as I understand it - implies the possibility to download the whole data at once. And you can't do that via Z39.50-access. See the open definition (http://opendefinition.org/) which says in short: "A piece of knowledge is open if you are free to use, reuse, and redistribute it." In the full definition it says: "The work shall be available as a whole..." with the comment: "As a whole' prevents the limitation of access by indirect means, for example by only allowing access to a few items of a database at a time." So, while library data is free available it isn't 'open' in the widest sense of the word. And surely an open license makes it clear for every (re)user what she is allowed to do with the data. By now a good deal of data in the internet (not only bibliographic data) isn't licensed at all and leaves potential users clueless. That even applies to the data in the Linked Data Cloud (see http://cloudofdata.com/2009/10/licensing-of-linked-data/). Adrian </pre> Adrian Pohl 2010-02-01T14:23:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7213 <pre>Surely the important thing here is the license? Can I reuse Z39.50 data from library X in a commercial application? Who knows? Just because you expose something doesn't make it free for reuse or free of IPR. By specifying it as Open Data with a Public Domain Dedication, anybody can do anything with the data. Dave Pattern Library Systems Manager University of Huddersfield -----Original Message----- From: Next generation catalogs for libraries [mailto:NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Mitchell, Michael Sent: 01 February 2010 14:01 To: NGC4LIB&lt; at &gt;LISTSERV.ND.EDU Subject: Re: [NGC4LIB] The CERN Library publishes its book catalog as Open Data That's good. I don't understand the statement "surprisingly few libraries have so far set free the data they produce themselves." There are hundreds of libraries offering free direct Z39.50 access to their bib records. Just because you don't like MARC doesn't negate the fact that the information is easily available and free. Michael Mitchell Technical Services Librarian Brazosport College Lake Jackson, TX michael.mitchell at brazosport.edu --- This transmission is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you receive it in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and remove it from your system. If the content of this e-mail does not relate to the business of the University of Huddersfield, then we do not endorse it and will accept no liability. </pre> David Pattern 2010-02-01T14:15:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib/7212 <pre>Weinheimer Jim schrieb: There are indeed substantial other differences: there are no indicators for names and titles, and none for almost everything else, series titles are mostly abbreviated (like "Internat. Ser. Lin. Math.") and always use 490 only. And no 008, nor a leader or other fixed fields. I'm afraid this is a very diluted version of MARC. Will others dumb down their data in exactly the same way or in any number of different ways? Whom and how much might that help? And then, for data as meager as this, MARCXML is an extremely voluminous wrapper, there's at least five times more wrapping than there is data. Though space is no issue any more, bandwidth is, and it can't pass for an elegant means of exchange this way. That's not CERN's fault, of course. But what's needed is a much more compact and more easily understandable (human readable) communication format. Lacking this, Z39.50 nd OAI-DC are currently doing a much better job. B.Eversberg </pre> Bernhard Eversberg 2010-02-01T14:04:28 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.culture.libraries.ngc4lib