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OR - Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw - Andrea Murland

ringrat55 — 2013-05-18T02:45:27

Hello OR Editors,
I'm long overdue for posting some more ORs but they're going to be slow coming. I finally got one done though! Seems short but, well, it's a saw. Red pens out!
Andrea

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Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw
Owner Review by Andrea Murland
May 16, 2013

Tester Information
Name: Andrea Murland
Email: amurland AT shaw DOT ca
Age: 27
Location: Elkford & Kimberley, British Columbia, Canada
Gender: Female
Height: 5 ft 2 in (1.57 m)
Weight: 125 lb (57 kg)
I began hiking frequently in 2006 and have since hiked in Western Canada, Australia, and spent 2 months backpacking in the Alps. I spend most weekends either day-hiking or on 2-3 day backpacking trips, with some longer trips when I can manage them. I also snowshoe and ski in the winter, but don't have a lot of experience with winter in the backcountry yet. Elevation is typically 500-3,000 m (1,600-10,000 ft), in the Canadian Rockies and the Selkirk, Purcell, and Monashee ranges. I try for a light pack, but I don't consider myself a lightweight backpacker.

Product Information
Manufacturer: Black Diamond Equipment, Ltd.
Manufacturer's URL: http://www.blackdiamondequipment.com/
Year of Manufacture: 2009
Model: FlickLock Snow Saw
MSRP: US $44.95
Listed Weight: 160 g (5.6 oz)
Measured Weight: 164 g (5.8 oz) saw only, 265 g (9.3 oz) with sheath

Description

The Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw is a, well, snow saw. It has large serrations with teeth in groups of three. The blade is 35 cm (13.8 in) long, and has a line and "30 cm" (11.8 in) printed on it on one side. Also printed on the blade is the Black Diamond name and logo. The handle is made from black plastic and has the Black Diamond logo moulded into it. The handle is marked with "35 cm" (13.8 in) where the blade ends. The key feature of the FlickLock Saw is the ability for it to attach to compatible Black Diamond poles (I have a set). The end of the saw handle has two holes (for two different pole sizes), and the lower section of a pole can be inserted into the holes with the FlickLock mechanism open. Once the lever is closed, the saw stays on the end of the pole.

The FlickLock Saw comes with a sheath which seems to be made from some kind of plastic. The sheath is printed on one side with the Black Diamond logo and name. The saw slides into the sheath and it covers the blade entirely.

Field Conditions

I have been using the FlickLock Saw since 2009 as part of my snow kit. It has primarily been used for snow study work in test pits, for cutting and isolating columns. I have used it on the end of my pole about 5 times for when I need to reach farther with the saw than I can reach with my arm, for extended column tests and for cutting cornices. In addition to snow work, this saw was an essential piece of gear for clearing a heli-pad on an overnight avalanche/rope rescue. I spent several hours cutting down trees up to about 10 cm (3.9 in) in diameter with the saw. It has also been used for some winter trail clearing work to make enough space for a stretcher. I estimate that I have used the saw about 20 times for snow or tree sawing, in addition to carrying it around a lot, in temperatures ranging from -25 C (-13 F) to 10 C (50 F).

I carry the saw inside the sheath in my pack, against the back panel, with the handle facing up. The saw is stored full-time in my search & rescue pack in the winter, always ready for action.

Review

General Use
The FlickLock Snow Saw does a great job of cutting snow. The markings on the blade and handle make it very easy and quick to cut a 30 cm x 30 cm (11.8 in x 11.8 in) column. The saw also does a great job on trees with some effort. I was very impressed by how well it cut. The handle is reasonably comfortable to hold, considering that it's not a full gripped handle. I also use it with gloves on, which probably makes it more comfortable. The mechanism to attach the saw to compatible poles works well. It has come in handy numerous times while out in a group with people with normal length saws. I'm not sure what else to say about itit's a saw. The sheath also works well. I've never had any cuts through it.

Durability
The saw is still in good shape. It has some rough spots and discoloration from tree pitch. I suspect that it's not as sharp as it was originally, but it still works fine for snow. The sheath shows no sign of wearing through, and isn't even rough on the inside from the blade.

Summary

The Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw is a snow saw that does a great job cutting snow and wood, and attaches to compatible poles to extend the length.

Thumbs Up:
Cuts snow
Cuts wood
Markings on blade and handle
Sturdy sheath
Attaches to compatible poles
Thumbs Down:
Nothing

OR - Ursack food bag by Joe Schaffer

never2muchstuff — 2013-05-16T18:05:42

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/OR%20-%20Ursack%20food%20bag%20by%20Joe%20Schaffer/

Thank you for your kind edits! (or not so kind--all welcome)

Ursack Bear Bag

OWNER REVIEW
by Joe Schaffer
May 30, 2013

REVIEWER INFORMATION:
NAME: Joe Schaffer
EMAIL: never2muchstuff-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org
AGE: 65
GENDER: Male
HEIGHT: 5'9" (1.75 m)
WEIGHT: 175 lb (79.4 kg)
HOME: Hayward, California USA

I frequent California's central Sierras, camping every month; up to 95 nights a year; about half the time solo; moving nearly every day. As a comfort camper I lug tent, mattress, chair, etc. Summer trips last typically a week to 10 days; 40 lb (18 kg), about half food-related; about 5 miles (8 km) per hiking day. I winter camp most often at 6,000' to 7,000' (1,800 to 2,100 m); 2 to 3 nights; 55 lb (25 kg); 1 to 4 miles (1.5 to 6 km) on snowshoes. I work occasionally at an outdoor store.

The Product:
Ursack bear resistant food sack
Manufacturer: Ursack
Web site: www.Ursack.com
Purchased: 2008

My bag:
Weight: 7.3 oz (207 g)
Diameter: 7.4" (18.8 cm)
Length (cinched): 13.5" (34.3 cm)
Volume: 580 cid (9.5 L)
Tie cord: 66" (1.68 m)

Factory specs (from website for S29 AllWhite ):
Weight: 7.3 oz (207 g)
Diameter: 8" (20.3 cm)
Length: 13" (33 cm)
Volume: 650 cid (10.65 L)
Tie cord: 72" (1.83 m)
MSRP: US $67.89

Calculations for S29:
Volume per wt: 89.04 ci^3 per oz (0.051 L per g)
Volume per US dollar of MSRP: 9.57 ci^3 (0.157 L)

Kindly Note:
My bag is superseded by the S29 AllWhite. Mfr replied S29 has stronger Spectra fabric than the Vectran in mine, citing no other differences.

Product Description:

The product is a bear-resistant food storage bag made of tactical "bulletproof" material with an integrated Spectra cinch cord long enough to secure the bag to a tree. Tear strength appears to exceed the capacities of even two black bears. The material is not waterproof. My bag and the S29 are not rodent-proof as the material can be cut with sharp implements such as chipmunk incisors. Bags are not approved for use in Yosemite; or in bear-can-required areas of Sequoia-Kings Canyon. An optional aluminum liner is available for the purpose of making the bag too big for a bear to jaw the bag's girth.

Field conditions:

I've carried my bag for about 100 hiking days over 5 years; mostly in California's Sierras and a week last summer in a couple of wilderness areas in Oregon (USA). I always use an OPSak liner with nested plastic grocery bags to limit odor emission, keep food dry and inhibit oozing under attack. I sometimes rely on the bag exclusively; and where cans are not required, sometimes use the bag as "overage" when everything doesn't fit in one bear can. Rodents have so far not assailed the bag. I don't use the aluminum liner.

Observations:

I find the Forest Service's mandated hanging method for vulnerable bags nearly impossible if not nearly always impractical and certainly always inconvenient to follow. Tying to a tree is not so difficult. I first cinch the Ursack with a surgeon's knot, include a bear bell and then a figure 8. I secure the bag to a 6" to 8" (15 to 20 cm) diameter, preferably dead standing tree. I tie the bag as high as I can reach, encircling the tree with the tie cord as a "choker" that will tighten as the bag gets pulled, making it more difficult to pull the bag lower; then a surgeon's knot finished with a figure 8. (Surgeon's knot absorbs much pressure that might otherwise lock up a figure 8.)

The bag is feather-light compared to hard containers; less than a can of tuna. It also folds smaller as the days go by. Most importantly, I have found it presents an effective obstacle to bears intent on snitching food. My bag has survived two determined snack attacks.

The first was in 2008 on Kibbie Ridge just outside the border of Yosemite NP on the 3rd day of a 10-day trip. The bag was tied about 4' (1.25 m) up a dead hemlock sucker so sturdy I could not budge it. The bear was getting it to crack in a rhythm of pushing it with his front paws while jerking back on the bag. (I didn't think they could bring that much force to bear standing on their hind legs.) The bag wasn't full and he had his mouth fully around the top. The picture shows him in retreat. He'd been on the bag long enough the top was drenched in slobber and bore a few scuff marks. I guess because he got a mouthful of bag above the food, only a single cup of applesauce actually got squished. The incident demonstrated the gravity of logic in using the hard can to store wet (if even lower priority) stuff on trips I have both.

The second event occurred in 2012 at the Boat In site (we backpackers walk to it) on Loon Lake in El Dorado NF in California; 1st night of 3. Two bears were on the bag, which I'd tied to a tree about 20' (7 m) from my tent. They managed to put about a third of the contents in distress. I counted 24 weave separations, and one broken thread. Perhaps the team was a sow and adolescent, with junior's puppy teeth sharp enough to penetrate the weave. The punctured can demonstrates the vitality of the incursion. Yet after a thorough rinsing, all but one thread restored to original weave and little evidence of the incident remains.

In both events the bears masticated with my interpretation of savage intent. None got a literal food reward. Even with dozens of holes in the bag, the liner and plastic grocery bags kept ooze contained. In the second incident they no doubt could taste what their teeth had penetrated. It looked to me that the bears (in both incidents) became tantalized at the prospect of a pigout; and had they been allowed to persist long enough, perhaps they'd have forced ooze to squeeze through.

I don't always think a bear can necessary, but I never want to be responsible for buggering a bear's natural foraging instinct. Secondarily, a loss of food could lead to a truncated trip. At best I'd lose a day of hiking to spend a day driving and gas to the nearest store to restock. I find Ursack a practical, effective and convenient short term way to prevent bears from rummaging my rations and getting spoiled with a food reward.

Ursack quick shots:

a) Light
c) Packable
d) Effective
e) Tantalizing

Attn: Ken Topliss Re: OWNER REVIEW-Outdoor PRODUCTS BACKPACKERS TARP

Jamie D. — 2013-05-16T03:47:47

Welcome Ken to BackpackGearTest.org.  I here you are very eager to get testing with us.  

Thank you for your Owner Review and your interest in becoming a tester. Unfortunately, as it stands now you do not have enough field use with this particular item to meet our minimum Owner Review requirements. If you have another piece of gear with more time in the field, that would be better to start with.  Additionally, it is not uncommon for new writers to need a bit more help before their first OR is ready for the editing process. If you would more assistance we have a Mentoring Program  This program teams new reviewers with experienced veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like more assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending an email to Mentor(at)backpackgeartest.org - Please use MENTOR REQUEST in the subject line.

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Edit - CamelBak Cloudwalker - Wyatt Freeman

2013-05-14T22:39:43

Wyatt, Welcome to BackpackGearTest.org, and thanks for your Owner Review. I'll be your editor, and I look forward to working with you to get it ready for posting.

Before getting to specific edits, I'm going to point out a few BackpackGearTest.org (BGT) conventions that you need to review. In fact I suggest that you re-read the Survival Guide's chapter on Owner Reviews, where some of my comments below are discussed in greater depth.

1. Title should be three lines: first line (usually in larger type and bold) is the product name, second line is "Owner Review by [name of author]," and third line the date written out rather than merely using numerals, as in many countries the day, not the month, comes first. So yours would read:

CAMELBAK CLOUDWALKER
Owner Review by Wyatt Freeman
May 2, 2013

2. All measurements require conversion, so that both Imperial and metric are listed. All temperatures must be converted, so that both Fahrenheit and Celsius are listed. In addition, BGT has a standard set of abbreviations, which you'll find at the bottom of the conversion table page on BGT's website. So your height would be 6 ft 2 in (1.88 m). All measurements are singular (lb not lbs, for example).

3. We don't allow use of the USPS abbreviations for states, as our international readers are likely unfamiliar with them. "North Carolina" not "NC"

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WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of May 13

Jamie D. — 2013-05-14T03:46:24

This is the official Owner Review Edit Queue Update.  Any uploads done after 9:00 PM Pacific Time on 13 May, 2013 will not be noted until next week's update. If you have questions about the queue please feel free to ask.

Thank you.
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE
as of May 13


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EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)


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AWAITING EDIT

Wyatt Freeman(1) - CamelBak Cloudwalker Review - Posted May 2 (msg#82114),

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TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RICHARD - James Dillion Asher Jr.(1) - SealLine Boundary Pack- 115L  Posted Mar 30 (msg#82039), Taken Apr 3, Edit Apr 4 (82057), Repost Apr 9, Edit Apr 10 (82064), Repost Apr 14, Edit-Picture request Apr 15(82084)

RICHARD - Jaco-Chris Koorts(1) - Cape Union Mart Advance 85 hiking backpack - Posted Apr 5 (msg#82059 & 82059), Taken Apr 13, Edit Apr 13(82080), 

RAY - Kendall Story(1) - SALOMON QUEST 4D GTX HIKING BOOTS W  Posted Apr 12 (msg#82068), Taken Apr 25, Edit Apr 25, 

RAY - Davis Meschke(M)(1) - Vasque Breeze GTX Hiking Boots - Posted Apr 23 (msg#82097), awaiting Mentor approval, Repost Apr 25(82110), Taken May 11, Edit May 11 (82127)

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APPROVED AND AWAITING UPLOAD

RICHARD - Joe Schaffer - Gregory Denali Pro - Posted Apr 22 (msg#82094), Taken May 9, Edit/Approval May 9 (82124)

RAY - Bob Dorenfeld(1) - REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL Daypack - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82088), Taken May 8, Edit May 8 (82121), Repost May 9, Edit May 11 (82126), Repost May 12, Edit/Approval May 13 (82130),  

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RAY  BP - Adam Albertson(1) - OSPREY AETHER 70L Pack - Posted Jan 8(81889), Taken Jan 16, Referred to mentoring Jan 16(81913),
Adam Albertson(2) - TNFACE Tundra 20 F bag - Posted Dec 18 (msg#81823), 

BP - Ben Hawley - BIG AGNES Fly Creek UL 3  Posted Feb 17 (msg#81972), On hold pending use clarification as of Feb 19, Revised Feb 20, On hold as of Mar 2

Mike Deckard(1) - Osprey Stratos 24 Pack  Posted Mar 5(msg#82008), On hold pending use clarification as of Mar 8, Revised Mar 10, On hold pending more field use

James Dillion Asher Jr.(2) - Sea To Summit X-Cup - Posted Mar 30 (msg#82042), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1, 

James Dillion Asher Jr.(3) - Dakine Cyclone Roll-Top Pack 36L - Posted Mar 31 (msg#82043), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1&2,

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RICHARD - Adam Albertson(1) - OR men's VERGLAS GAITER  Posted Mar 8 (msg#82011), Taken Mar 22, Edit Mar 22(82023), Follow-up sent May 2,

Edit/Approval: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

Ray — 2013-05-13T23:45:00

OK Bob, this looks good. There is just one problem at the bottom of the HTML that needs to be fixed. Afterward you may place the review at:

Reviews > Packs > Frameless Backpacks and Day Packs > REI Pinnacle 35 daypack

Or here: http://tinyurl.com/c5nr6yl

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

Review By:
Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

Delete one of set these from the bottom of your review.

Congrats on finishing number one,  

Ray

REPOST OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

geartest7000 — 2013-05-13T01:39:50

Hi Ray,

Latest revisions, as follows:
- bio trimmed to 99 words
- manufacturer full name fixed in Product Information (use REI afterwards)
- URL in Product Information revised to "www.rei.com"
- State size I am reviewing in Product Information
- Removed link to web site below pictures
- Updated all text to "day pack" throughout, and revised "(it replaced a 12 year old daypack that has seen better times)," to (it replaced an old and now-inadequate day pack) in Field Use
- replaced "those" with "the" in "for those combination hikes" in Field Notes
- Replaced "attaching" with "attached" in " quick-release buckles attaching to the roll-top" in Field Notes

thanks,
~Bob

REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL DAY PACK
BY Bob Dorenfeld
OR
April 15, 2013

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Bob Dorenfeld
EMAIL: geartestatsageandsprucedotnet
AGE: 55
LOCATION: Salida, Colorado, USA
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
WEIGHT: 150 lb (68.00 kg)

I'm an active hiker, snowshoer, skier (Nordic & alpine), backpacker. I live at 7000 ft (2134 m) in the Southern Colorado Rockies where I hit the trail between 7000 ft (2134 m) and 14000 ft (4200 m). I'll hike from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km), ranging as much as 5000 ft (1500 m) of elevation change. I carry up to 20 lb (9 kg) on day hikes, about 45 lb (20 kg) on backpacks. Overnights are usually from one to three nights. Often I hike off-trail on challenging talus, snowfields, or willow brakes, with occasional bouldering.

Product Information

Manufacturer: Recreational Equipment, Inc. (REI)
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "www.rei.com">>
MSRP: US$129.00
Listed Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Measured Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Option: Available in M or L torso size, reviewing L
Gear capacity: 2134 in^3 (35 L)
Material(s): High tenacity nylon/oxford nylon
Pack loading: Top
Pack access: Top/Side
Number of exterior pockets: 4 plus main compartment
Dimensions: 22.5 in x 12 in x 8 in (57 cm x 30.5 cm x 20.3 cm)
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 front" IMAGE CAPTION = "Photos: REI">> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 back">>

Product Description

This pack is made of "high tenacity nylon/oxford nylon", as REI calls it. It has padded hip and shoulder straps, water bladder sleeve and tube port, a wand pocket for small items, and compression straps. The extras not found on many day packs include removable hipbelt and internal frameplate to save weight, molded foam back panel adds comfort for a heavy load, roll-top closure for weather resistance, side zipper for easy access to the main compartment, internal gear loops, and many exterior loops and attachment points (including ski/snowshoe straps). There is also a pair of removable rope (or other gear) straps for the top of the pack. The accompanying pictures illustrate most of these features. This review is for the Medium torso size (but pack is also available in Large).

Review Summary

This day or small overnight pack has met or exceeded all of my expectations. I use it for short and long day trips on all kinds of trail and off-trail conditions, carrying extra gear when needed. The shoulder and waist straps are easily adjusted, there are lots of convenient attachment points and straps, and the ski/snowshoe side-straps worked great. Materials are durable and extra stitching is apparent throughout. The simple internal plate keeps this pack balanced on my hips. I was able to carry snowshoes or Nordic skis on the pack sides using the strips made for that purpose, and they stayed in place when tightly strapped.

Field Use

I've been using this pack constantly for one year (it replaced an old and now-inadequate day pack), which comes to about 70 day trips over that time. I needed a sturdy, roomy pack that could also take on a pair of snowshoes or Nordic skis for the combination hikes I sometimes do. Materials and construction had to be durable, last a long time, and provide comfort on the trail. Most of my hiking time is on established trails in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, with some off-trail hiking over rocks and scree, though brush, or over snow and ice. When some of the trails are rough, causing occasional slips and falls, my day pack needs to stay tight to my back and waist, and not tear or rip easily.

What I like best about this pack:
- big main compartment, with access from both the top and full side zipper
- large front pocket, big enough for maps, notebook, food, odds and ends
- comfortable padded hip belt with easy strap adjustments
- tops of shoulder straps are adjustable to pull pack away or toward the back
- I can quickly strap my hiking pole at one of two or three different places, depending on what else is on the pack
- my snowshoes or skis easily attach to the side straps built for that purpose
- extra gear can be attached on top with the straps provided
- inner pocket that easily fits my 3 L water bladder, plus covered tube exit (left or right)

REI advertises the Pinnacle as a "technical" pack suitable for carrying climbing gear - and although I am not a climber I appreciate all the versatility available in the many straps and attachment points on the top, sides, and bottom.

This pack will be a bit heavier than the "ultralights" now available, but I like knowing that I can set it down on the ground and not have to worry too much about it getting damaged under normal circumstances. We don't get a lot of rain in my part of Colorado, so I haven't been able to thoroughly test its waterproofness; however, the rolltop closure for the top compartment, covered zippers on the front, and good seams have kept out many snowfalls and some drizzles on the trail. (I do carry a separate raincover for the pack if needed.) I have not had any trouble with zippers, but I treat them gently and lubricate them from time to time to keep them running smoothly.

After approximately 350 trail miles (560 km), over approximately 70 hiking days, and carrying loads up to 20 pounds (9 kg), I have seen no significant signs of wear; all of the critical attachment areas (belt, shoulder straps) look good as new. There is one place near the bottom of the pack where the fabric abraded and needed to be patched, but that was my fault for not watching that spruce branch I ducked under! The hip belt has plenty of padding for me, as do the shoulder straps. The shoulder straps have a nice feature found on full-size backpacks: I can adjust the "lift" of the pack toward or away from my back, depending on the load I'm carrying; I've been keeping it in the middle position, which seems most comfortable for me. If I want to reduce pack weight, both the hip belt (via hook-and-loop) and the internal backplate are removable; I like both very much, so I'll be leaving them in. Even in our dry climate I sweat on a hot climb, but the pack allows some air flow between it and my back. I feel more moisture than with a mesh-suspension style, but for me that feature was not necessary. A detail that I really appreciated was that all of the buckles and straps work well with gloved hands, and shed snow easily so they are accessible at all times. Some of the buckles are the "cam" type that hold my straps tight without loosening while hiking.

Another feature I really like is the side-access zipper for the main compartment, which means I don't have to unroll the top and root around for stuff - I can just see grab it from the side. There are two large gear loops in the inside; I use one for hanging a small bag with things I only occasionally need, which keeps it out of the way of binoculars, gaiters, etc. There is a small zippered outside pocket just below the rolltop closure, which I use for a first-aid kit.

Attaching one or two collapsible hiking poles is very easy on this pack. There are two sets of three strap loops, each along the outer back of the pack sides (two with quick-release buckles, one with hook-and-loop) that allow me to stick the pole tip in the bottom strap and the pole top in either the top strap or hook-and-loop, tighten both, and the pole(s) stay snug while I walk or scramble over rocks and snow. There is enough length in the straps to accommodate both poles on one side if I need to (but I almost always hike with one pole only). I did add a small modification to the bottom strap: a short piece of shock cord that wraps around the pole tip to keep the pole from slipping down in case the straps work loose over time.

While not a primary consideration for me, I am happy with the color - light blue with yellow highlights. The only option on this pack is torso size, medium or large. By REI's method of measurement I was on the fence between them, so I opted for the large and it fits me well. (I am 5 ft 6 in (1.7 m) and of average build and torso)

I have made two customizations to my pack from the stock model. It comes with a small zippered pocket on the right-hand side of the hip belt, for items like a watch, lip balm, etc. Last winter I created an additional zippered pocket from ripstop material and attached it to the left side of the hip belt with hook-and-loop around the existing equipment hanger. The other modification is a pocket that goes inside the front compartment (the one with the vertical yellow zipper). I like to organize my smaller stuff such as pencils, notepad, and maps, keeping them separate from food. After sewing up a sleeve scavenged from an old pack, I used a combination of hook-and-loop and pop-rivets to attach it securely inside but easily accessible from the yellow zipper.

I am hard put to find any real defects or problems with the Pinnacle, but to be complete I'll mention a couple of minor issues. The elastic on the wand pocket seems to have relaxed a bit over the past year, but it still holds the dog's collapsible water bowl and her leash. Occasionally I can feel the carrying handle loop (at the top of the pack) at the back of my neck, but not often enough to be a problem for me. The quick-release buckles attached to the roll-top closure were sewn in opposite directions to each other, that is, the male and female parts are reversed, so if I release them by feel it can take a few extra seconds to do so.

Since I haven't purchased a new day pack for a long time I wasn't used to current prices, but at US$129 MSRP I am very happy with the quality and usefulness of the REI Pinnacle, and expect to be hiking with it for at least a decade, making it an excellent value. If any defects do turn up, the manufacturer (REI) is well-known for standing by their products with exchange, refund, or credit options.

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

This report was created with the BGT Report Generator.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.

Re: Edit/Approval - Sierra Designs Microlight - Alex Legg

alex — 2013-05-11T19:30:44

Hi Richard,

Thank you for your time and edits.  I have made corrections and posted to the BGT site.  I hope you're having fun out there in the springtime weather!  

-Alex Legg

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EDIT: - Vasque Breeze 2.0 GORE-TEX Boots - Davis Meschke

Ray — 2013-05-11T16:25:11

Hello

Welcome to BackpackGearTest and thank you for this, your first Owner Review. I will be your editor for this review. I see you have been working with a mentor, so you will probably already be used to edits following a format similar to this:

EDIT: must be changed
Edit: should be changed but will be left to your discretion
Comment: just that or something to think about

When you have made the changes please repost here with REPOST added to the subject line. Include your name also please.

Ray

***Manufacturer: Vasque

EDIT: it is actually Red Wing Shoe Company, Inc. (Vasque is just one of their brands)

***MSRP: US 159.99

EDIT: as the Vasque website does not list MSRPs just show this as: N/A

*** I have also used the boots walking to college classes or just going on a nice day hike to just escape. I have been using the boot almost constantly since I bought them in December 2010. In terms of taking care of the boot, it does not require much maintenance to keep looking new.

EDIT: you keep jumping from singular (boot) to plural (boots, them) sometimes in the same sentence. You need to pick one way of talking about them and stick to it. (I suggest plural)

*** As with any footwear, dirt wear and general every day wear will cause this boot to fade but not to any point where the boot's performance will suffer.

EDIT: this is projection and speculation as you can't talk about "any" footwear unless you have experience with all of them ;-) Maybe say; As with all the other footwear I have had

***Summary

EDIT: actually this is your Review, not a summary. A summery summarizes the entire review. You really should have a Product Description section right after your Information section. I will email you a better set of lessons than our web site has.

*** The laces pass through eight nylon loops before you I crossing them through one set of metal hooks,

EDIT: not really sure what is going on here. You may want to reword this.

*** I quite liked the non-slip hooks because it helps a lot when tying the boots and allows for tying a tighter knot.

EDIT: here you jump from past tense (liked) to present (it helps). It is easy to do and I get this edit once in a while myself.

***A lot of the upper and lower part of the boot boasts Airmesh, which ended up being very nice in terms of ventilation and breathability

Edit: you should explain what Airmesh is for the readers.

***The ankle up is supported with breathable Airmesh that is nicely padded.

EDIT: the ankle "upper"

EDIT: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

Ray — 2013-05-11T12:54:12

Hi Bob,

Whenever you upload a new version of a review or report you should delete the earlier version.

Good job on the re-write. I have a few more edits, including some I already gave the first time. Once corrected please put a new version in the test folder (deleting the last ones) and repost here again.

Ray

***I'm an active hiker, snowshoer,

EDIT: the bios need to be 100 words or less. Please trim a bit.

***Manufacturer: REI, Inc.

EDIT: please spell out their full name at least the first time, putting (REI)
after it. Then you can use REI for the rest of the review. Plus no extra "Inc."

***Manufacturer's Website: REI, Inc.

EDIT: please spell out the actual URL (www.rei.com/)

***Option: Available in M or L torso size

EDIT: please state the size you are reviewing.

***REI Pinnacle 35 Daypack

EDIT: please remove this link. We don't link to anything but the manufacturer's top-level URL.

***I've been using this pack constantly for one year (it replaced a 12 year old daypack that has seen better times)

EDIT: 12-year-old, plus you are switching between daypack and day pack in the review. Please choose one style and stick with it throughout.

*** I needed a sturdy, roomy pack that could also take on a pair of snowshoes or Nordic skis for those combination hikes I sometimes do.

EDIT: for "the" combination hikes (Using "those" says that you have mentioned them earlier in the review, something that is not there.)

*** The quick-release buckles attaching to the roll-top closure were sewn in opposite directions to each other,

EDIT: The quick-release buckles "attached" to the roll-top closure

Edit/Approval - Sierra Designs Microlight - Alex Legg

2013-05-10T06:15:05

Alex,

Thanks for keeping the ORs coming. A few edits in the standard BGT format: EDIT (all caps) a required change, Edit (initial cap) a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment a comment, no change required.

After revising, you may upload to http://tinyurl.com/cakjmvd

Don't forget to delete your Tests/OR folder copy.

Cheers, Richard

###Shoe Size: 13 Mens###
EDIT: Replace with your jacket or sport coat size.

### I encounter elevation from 5,000 ft to 14,000 ft and temperatures from below 0 F to 90 F. ###
EDIT: Need metric and Celsius conversions.

###Measured Weight: 10.7 oz###
EDIT: Need metric conversion.
Edit: I'd indicate your size here. Up to you.

### Materials: 100% Polyester with DWR finish ###
Edit: Does SD give any indication about what's in the materials? If so, consider adding a sentence or two.

### The Sierra Designs Microlight Men's Jacket is a microlight waterproof wind stopping jacket that packs down to a very manageable size.###
Edit: wind-stopping (or windstopping)

###so that I could easily wear the jacket over multiple layers while on the long trail. ###
EDIT: If it's the trail named the Long Trail, then "Long Trail." Otherwise OK.

### The hood has two drawstrings that can be cinched tightly to secure it on my head when the outside conditions would rather see me go without the head coverage. ###
Edit: I find this sentence a bit awkward. "Outside conditions" can't see anything. Consider "when the outside conditions dictate no head coverage."

### The word microlight is also embroidered on the jacket down near the left wrist cuff. ###
EDIT: Words as words "microlight" in this sentence - should be set off with quotation marks or italics.

###Near the rear neck line there is a small loop ###
Edit: neckline [one word]

###I have carried this jacket on numerous backpacking trips throughout Arizona and most recently in northern Colorado. ###
EDIT: Please add an estimate of days worn or carried, or a time span (e g, the past two years).

### and the elevation ranged from 5,400 ft to 9,453 ft (1,646 m to 2,909 m). ###
Edit: If the Imperial is an estimate, consider rounding off the metric (here, 1650 m). If exact, such as a summit, be exact. Here and elsewhere in your Review.

### and temperatures have ranged widely from 45 F to 105 F (7 C to 42 C).###
EDIT: (7 C to 41 C)

### Some of the similar jackets I have worn pack down a lot smaller, but are also much more thin and not as strong feeling.###
EDIT: much thinner

### I have felt 40 mph gusts that didn't bother me much. ###
EDIT: Need the metric conversion.

Edit/Approval - Gregory Denali Pro - Joe Schaffer

2013-05-10T06:12:20

Joe,

Another excellent review, including very illustrative photos. Edits below in the standard BGT format: EDIT (all caps) a required change, Edit (initial cap) a suggested change or request for clarification, and Comment a comment, no change required.

After revising, you may upload to http://tinyurl.com/d58vueq

Don't forget to delete your Tests/OR folder copy.

Cheers, Richard

Gregory Denali Pro

### by Joe Schaffer
OWNER REVIEW ###
EDIT: Either reverse these lines ("OWNER REVIEW" on top) or one line (OWNER REVIEW by Joe Schaffer)

### author and Denali Pro TESTER INFORMATION:###
EDIT: Author [initial cap]
EDIT: REVIEWER INFORMATION [This is an Owner Review, not a Test Report]

### I work occasionlly at an outdoor store. ###
EDIT: occasionally [spelling]

###Product Description:###
Comment: I thought this section one of the best I've seen in quite a while everything a buyer would want to know and no unnecessary information.

### logging about 3 miles (5 k) ###
EDIT: (5 km) [Same change in two other places.

### where I'd set it down and start it sliding off the icey flat. ###
EDIT: icy flat [spelling]

### With an 80L bag I have to tie that and a bunch of other stuff outside--axe, helmet, shovel; as exemplified by my buddy's 80L bag in the picture; both of us carring the same weight. ###
EDIT: Need the Imperial conversion for 80L
EDIT: carrying the same weight [spelling]

### If I'm going to have a coronary lugging this collossus, ###
EDIT: colossus [spelling]

### With warm bare fingers I can get a snack out of the mesh pockDenali frontet, but getting ###

### I could agree that using it as a summit bag compares to carrying a back hoe
for a toilet trowel.###
Comment: Wonderful comparison!

### It sure feels good all the time and I'm not carrying extra pounds (1 kg) for a pinchey day pack. ###
EDIT/Edit: I think it's spelled "pinchy"

### I may not stay fixed on intending it as a summit bag where those 5 extra pounds (2.5 kg) could be the straw that does the evil deed.###
Comment: Could you use the detached lid as your summit pack? That's what I do with my monster pack, a Mystery Ranch BDSB.

REPOST OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

geartest7000 — 2013-05-09T22:39:50

Hi Ray,

Thanks for your suggestions - I'm glad to see a site that pays attention
to careful and clear writing.

I've made all of your edits, plus a few more as follows:

- Revised first sentence of Product Description, and added new sentence at end specifying this review for the M size
- Added new paragraph on minor issues (near bottom of Field Use)
- Revised last sentence of first paragraph Field Use
- change "most" to "many" in Product Description "The extras not found on many day packs..."
- in list of "What I Like Best", change "top" to plural "- tops of shoulder straps..."
- Revised second sentence in paragraph about attaching poles in Field Use "It comes with a small zippered pocket..."
- Added new paragraph about attaching poles in Field Use
- changed numerals to words in various places

I uploaded new HTML, calling it "REPOST OR - REI Pinnacle 35
daypack - Bob Dorenfeld", instead of replacing the original. Is that
correct?

Regards,
~Bob

REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL DAYPACK
BY Bob Dorenfeld
OR
April 15, 2013

TESTER INFORMATION

NAME: Bob Dorenfeld
EMAIL: geartestatsageandsprucedotnet
AGE: 55
LOCATION: Salida, Colorado, USA
GENDER: M
HEIGHT: 5' 6" (1.68 m)
WEIGHT: 150 lb (68.00 kg)

I'm an active hiker, snowshoer, skier (Nordic & alpine), backpacker. I live at 7000 ft (2134 m) in the Southern Colorado Rockies where most of my activities are between 7000 ft (2134 m) and 14000 ft (4200 m). I'll do day hikes from 4 to 12 miles (6 to 20 km), which can range up to 5000 ft (1500 m) of elevation change. I carry up to 20 lb (9 kg) on day hikes, about 45 lb (20 kg) on backpacks. Overnights are usually from one to three nights. Often I hike off-trail on some challenging talus or scree, snowfields, or through scrub or willow brakes, with occasional bouldering.

Product Information

Manufacturer: REI, Inc.
Year of Manufacture: 2012
Manufacturer's Website: <<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "REI, Inc.">>
MSRP: US$129.00
Listed Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Measured Weight: 3 lb 8 oz (1.64 kg)
Option: Available in M or L torso size
Gear capacity: 2134 in^3 (35 L)
Material(s): High tenacity nylon/oxford nylon
Pack loading: Top
Pack access: Top/Side
Number of exterior pockets: 4 plus main compartment
Dimensions: 22.5 in x 12 in x 8 in (57 cm x 30.5 cm x 20.3 cm)
<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 front" IMAGE CAPTION = "Photos: REI">> <<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 back">>
<<HYPERLINK GOES HERE - "http://www.rei.com" LINK TEXT = "REI Pinnacle 35 Daypack">>

Product Description

This pack is made of "high tenacity nylon/oxford nylon", as Recreational Equipment, Inc. (REI) calls it. It has padded hip and shoulder straps, water bladder sleeve and tube port, a wand pocket for small items, and compression straps. The extras not found on many day packs include removable hipbelt and internal frameplate to save weight, molded foam back panel adds comfort for a heavy load, roll-top closure for weather resistance, side zipper for easy access to the main compartment, internal gear loops, and many exterior loops and attachment points (including ski/snowshoe straps). There is also a pair of removable rope (or other gear) straps for the top of the pack. The accompanying pictures illustrate most of these features. This review is for the Medium torso size (but pack is also available in Large).

Review Summary

Field Use

I've been using this pack constantly for one year (it replaced a 12 year old daypack that has seen better times), which comes to about 70 day trips over that time. I needed a sturdy, roomy pack that could also take on a pair of snowshoes or Nordic skis for those combination hikes I sometimes do. Materials and construction had to be durable, last a long time, and provide comfort on the trail. Most of my hiking time is on established trails in the Colorado Rocky Mountains, with some off-trail hiking over rocks and scree, though brush, or over snow and ice. When some of the trails are rough, causing occasional slips and falls, my day pack needs to stay tight to my back and waist, and not tear or rip easily.

I am hard put to find any real defects or problems with the Pinnacle, but to be complete I'll mention a couple of minor issues. The elastic on the wand pocket seems to have relaxed a bit over the past year, but it still holds the dog's collapsible water bowl and her leash. Occasionally I can feel the carrying handle loop (at the top of the pack) at the back of my neck, but not often enough to be a problem for me. The quick-release buckles attaching to the roll-top closure were sewn in opposite directions to each other, that is, the male and female parts are reversed, so if I release them by feel it can take a few extra seconds to do so.

Review By:

Bob Dorenfeld
Southern Colorado Rocky Mountains

OWNER REVIEW-Outdoor PRODUCTS BACKPACKERS TARP

KENNETH V TOPLISS — 2013-05-09T02:30:52

http://www.backpackgeartest.org/reviews/test/Outdoor%20Products-Backpackers%20Tarp/
Outdoor PRODUCTS -Backpackers TarpBY KEN TOPLISSORMay 01, 2013 TESTER INFORMATION NAME: Ken ToplissEMAIL: kvtopliss-aTXHyhIPZKbHhMhVa4Fong< at >public.gmane.org: 57LOCATION: Canon City, Colorado, USAGENDER: MHEIGHT: 5' 8" (1.73 m)WEIGHT: 170 lb (77.10 kg) Backpacking has been my passion for all of my adult life. My trips are primarily in the Rocky Mountains of Colorado. I have trekked National Parks in the western United States with extensive time in Yellowstone, Glacier, Olympic, and Mount Rainier. I trek year round. Each trip is one or two nights. I do two one week long trips each year. I prefer ultra light packing, but allow myself creature comforts such as a self inflating pad. I spend about 40 nights a year in the back country. I trek solo or with one or two friends,and my black lab.
PRODUCT INFORMATION Manufacturer: Outdoor ProductsYear of Manufacture: Not listedManufacturer's Website: www.outdoorproducts.comMSRP: Not listed but I paid $6.99 (US) at WalmartListed Weight: Not listedMeasured Weight: 7.8 oz (221.1 g)Other details: Measures 5 ft by 7 ft (1.52 m by 2.13 m)Material: Water resistant urethane coated fabric<<IMAGE GOES HERE. ALT TEXT = "Tarp in pouch">>
FIELD CONDITIONS AND PRODUCT PERFORMANCE I purchased this tarp because I needed a ground cloth for a new tarp tent. I wanted something light and inexpensive. I have used the tarp on three trips for a total of 4 nights on both dry ground and on snow. It is well made for an inexpensive product. I was going to use Tyvek but found this tarp light, easy to pack, and most of all it did not make a lot of noise. It is listed by the manufacturer as water resistant. I found that moisture did not penetrate through the tarp even when I slept on it on snow covered ground. These trips were done in March and April in the Greenhorn Mountains of Southern Colorado. Temperatures varied from a nighttime low of 28F (15.56C) to a daytime high of 74F (23.33C). Everywhere I went the ground was wet.
I found the overall performance to be very satisfactory for an inexpensive product. The tarp kept out moisture all night while I slept on it. One night the ground was wet and muddy. In the morning exposure to the sun allowed the tarp to dry quickly. Residue and mud from the ground were easily removed with brushing after the tarp was dry. The tarp has three grommets on each long side. These were useful for staking the tarp down in the tent. I am an active sleeper and the tarp never shifted or buckled up.
One night the tarp was pitched on very rocky ground with nothing under it. My black lab and I were both on top of it the entire night. A careful examination of the urethane coating in the morning, and after all four nights, did not show any signs of wear to either the tarp or the urethane finish.
The tarp comes in a small pouch. It is a bit of a struggle to fold the tarp so that it will go back in the pouch, even though I was able to do it. I found that storing it in a sandwich baggie worked better. The pouch has a drawstring and can be used for other small items. When I originally removed the tarp from the pouch there were threads hanging from one seam of the pouch, which made the durability suspect. I used a lighter to shrink the threads and had no problems with the pouch falling apart.
I played with the tarp when not sleeping on it. I used it to sit on and to place equipment on to avoid contact with the muddy ground. I also used light cord to pitch it as a wind break. The shield was small and provided only marginal relief but in a pinch might well be a God send. The grommets are listed by the manufacturer as heavy duty but I believe they might tear in a heavy wind. I did not use it as such, however the tarp could be pitched as a small emergency shelter. The small size might not provide total protection but would shield most of the body. The tarp can be wrapped over and around you, even when wearing a pack, if you needed to sit out a rain storm or other weather. It could also be used as a small sun shield. The urethane coated side could be used to catch condensation o
r rain if water was an issue. SUMMARY The Outdoor Products Backpackers Tarp represents a real bargain. It is not high tech and probably would not last more than a season or two with hard use. However, for the price of one dehydrated meal it will provide decent protection from the elements; something to sit on when the ground is wet; and a multitude of other uses limited only by the imagination. When day hiking it will provide light weight insurance against the elements, and will easily fit in a fanny pack. As a floor for my tarp tent it excelled. Everything else I used it for was a much appreciated bonus. This tarp is a genuine bargain for the price. THINGS I LIKE Light weightInexpensiveGood moisture barrier THINGS I DON'T LIKE Grommets appear weak SIGNATURE Ken Topliss This report w
as created with the BGT Report Generator.Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.

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EDIT: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

Ray — 2013-05-08T23:04:24

Hello Bob

Welcome to BackpackGearTest and thank you for this, your first Owner Review. You did a very good job on it (even though it looks like you have a lot of edits;-) I will be your editor for this review. Your initial edits will follow. They will take the following format;

EDIT: must be changed
Edit: should be changed but will be left to your discretion
Comment: just that or something to think about

When you have made the changes please repost here with REPOST added to the subject line. Include your name also please.

Some very helpful information may be found here;
http://www.backpackgeartest.org/lesson.php?lesson=BecomeTester&page=1

Please notice the form that the review should take in the "Examples", you may also wish to browse the reviews of other experienced members for examples of the proper form. If you want a better set of lessons email me. (Link is to the right under my name.)

A helpful tool is the Mentoring Program that teams new reviewers with experienced veterans to help get them through their first review(s). If you'd like more assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending an email to the mentor coordinator, Jenn, at mentor< at >backpackgeartest.org

Ray

***LOCATION: Salida, CO

EDIT: please spell out the state for the benefit of our international readers, add "USA" also

***I'm an active hiker, snowshoer, skier (nordic & alpine), backpacker.

EDIT: Nordic (needs a cap, look for all instances of this please.)

I live at 7000' in the Southern Colorado Rockies where most of my activities are between 7000 and 14000 feet. I'll do day hikes from 4 to 12 miles, which can range up
to 5000 feet of elevation change. I carry 15-20 lbs on day hikes, about 45 lbs
on backpacks.

EDIT: you need Metric (or Imperial) conversions for all measurements, weights, distances, etc. Please use lb instead of lbs for pounds.

***Manufacturer: REI, Inc.

EDIT: please spell out their full name at least the first time, putting (REI) after it. Then you can use REI for the rest of the review.

***Option: Available in M or L torso size

EDIT: what size are you reviewing?

*** "http://www.rei.com/product/816105/rei-pinnacle-35-pack"

EDIT: no links are allowed except for the manufacturer's top-level URL.

*** and they stayed in place when tighly strapped.

EDIT: tightly

***so my day pack needs to stay tight to my back and waist, and not not
tear or rip easily.

EDIT: delete one "not"

- I can quickly strap my hiking pole at one of 2 or 3 different places,
depending on what else is on the pack

Comment: this is a place that you could add a lot for the reader by explaining just how/where you have been able to carry the poles.

***- extra gear can be attached on top with with the straps provided

EDIT: delete one "with"

***- inner pocket that easily fits my 3 L (3.17 qt) water bladder, plus covered
tube exit (left or right)

Comment: water containers are the only item that they don't require a conversion number. It is fine to have it but if you don't want one it is OK too.

***After approximately 350 trail miles (over approximately 70 hiking days) and
carrying loads of 15-20 pounds,

EDIT: need the conversions here though.

*** For anyone wanting to reduce weight,

EDIT: rather than project your thoughts to the reader (or everybody else but you) keep this in the first person by saying: "if I want to remove weight, both the hip belt.."

*** (via velcro) and the internal backplate are removable

EDIT: Velcro is a trademarked name and is thus capitalized. But unless you know that it is Velcro you should just call it hook-and-loop

*** You will feel more moisture than with a mesh-suspension style

EDIT: We keep everything in the first person, no "you"s, just "me" and "I". Here is my canned explanation.

Projection

"When you tighten the laces on the boots, you pull the shoestrings in an out and upward motion. Then you tie it with a double knot and you are ready to go down the trail."

This is a very common way to write, but in doing so we just said what "other people" would do, not ourselves. This is projecting our thoughts onto the reader. We do not know how other people tie their shoes. We keep away from "you" and "your" in our writing.

We are writing a review of "our" gear based on "our" experiences. So we need to keep it in the first person. Here is how it should look;

"When I tighten the laces on the boots, I pull the shoestrings in an out and upward motion. Then I tie it with a double knot and I'm ready to go down the trail."

*** Some of the buckles are the "cam" type that will hold your strap tight

EDIT: the "your" thing, see above ;-)

*** I only occasionally need, which keeps it out of the way of binoculars, gaitors,

EDIT: gaiters

RE: Congrats are in order!!

Kathy Waters — 2013-05-07T21:17:32

Congratulations, Joe!  Hope to see a lot of you in the future!

 

Kathy

 

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[mailto:BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Jamie D.
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2013 10:31 PM
To: BackpackGearTest-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org
Subject: [BackpackGearTest] Congrats are in order!!

 

  

Please welcome our newest newbie, Joe Schaffer. Congrats Joe and welcome to
official Tester status! Get those apps in and get some gear!

Editors Team Director
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Follow-up for Adam Albertson Re: OR - Mens VERGLAS GAITER

Jamie D. — 2013-05-05T04:40:32

RICHARD - Adam Albertson(1) - OR men's VERGLAS GAITER  Posted Mar 8 (msg#82011), Taken Mar 22, Edit Mar 22(82023), Follow-up sent May 2,

Hi Adam, 

I hope we didn't scare you off.  Following a review of our Owner Review queue at BackpackGearTest.org I noticed you have not responded to the Edit given for the above Owner's Review, which was posted by Richard back on March 22nd.  Please refer to message number 82023 at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BackpackGearTest/messages 

Are you planning to continue with the OR?  We are here to help so please don't hesitate to ask if there is something we can assist you with so you can complete your Owner Review?

Please let me know how you wish to proceed with this review so I can inform your editor and update the Edit Queue.

Regards
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of May 2

Jamie D. — 2013-05-05T04:37:12

This is the official Owner Review Edit Queue Update.  Any uploads done after 9:00 PM Pacific Time on 2 May, 2013 will not be noted until next week's update. If you have questions about the queue please feel free to ask.

Thank you.
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director


=====================================================================
EDIT Team Members OOP (Out of Pocket)

RICHARD Apr 28 to May 11

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AWAITING EDIT

Bob Dorenfeld(1) - REI PINNACLE 35 TECHNICAL Daypack - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82088),

Alex Legg - Sierra Designs Microlight Jacket - Men's - Posted Apr 18 (msg#82092),

Joe Schaffer - Gregory Denali Pro - Posted Apr 22 (msg#82094),

Davis Meschke(M)(1) - Vasque Breeze GTX Hiking Boots - Posted Apr 23 (msg#82097), awaiting Mentor approval, Repost Apr 25(82110), 

Wyatt Freeman(1) - CamelBak Cloudwalker Review - Posted May 2 (msg#82114),

====================================================================
TAKEN BY AN EDITOR/EDITED

RICHARD - James Dillion Asher Jr.(1) - SealLine Boundary Pack- 115L  Posted Mar 30 (msg#82039), Taken Apr 3, Edit Apr 4 (82057), Repost Apr 9, Edit Apr 10 (82064), Repost Apr 14, Edit-Picture request Apr 15(82084)

RICHARD - Jaco-Chris Koorts(1) - Cape Union Mart Advance 85 hiking backpack - Posted Apr 5 (msg#82059 & 82059), Taken Apr 13, Edit Apr 13(82080), 

RAY - Kendall Story(1) - SALOMON QUEST 4D GTX HIKING BOOTS W  Posted Apr 12 (msg#82068), Taken Apr 25, Edit Apr 25, 

=====================================================================
APPROVED AND AWAITING UPLOAD


====================================================================
REVIEWS ON HOLD

RAY  BP - Adam Albertson(1) - OSPREY AETHER 70L Pack - Posted Jan 8(81889), Taken Jan 16, Referred to mentoring Jan 16(81913),
Adam Albertson(2) - TNFACE Tundra 20 F bag - Posted Dec 18 (msg#81823), 

BP - Ben Hawley - BIG AGNES Fly Creek UL 3  Posted Feb 17 (msg#81972), On hold pending use clarification as of Feb 19, Revised Feb 20, On hold as of Mar 2

Mike Deckard(1) - Osprey Stratos 24 Pack  Posted Mar 5(msg#82008), On hold pending use clarification as of Mar 8, Revised Mar 10, On hold pending more field use

James Dillion Asher Jr.(2) - Sea To Summit X-Cup - Posted Mar 30 (msg#82042), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1, 

James Dillion Asher Jr.(3) - Dakine Cyclone Roll-Top Pack 36L - Posted Mar 31 (msg#82043), awaiting edit/approval of OR #1&2,

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NOT ADDED to the Queue at this time

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EDITED OR APPROVED; WAITING FOR WRITER'S ACTION

RICHARD - Adam Albertson(1) - OR men's VERGLAS GAITER  Posted Mar 8 (msg#82011), Taken Mar 22, Edit Mar 22(82023), Follow-up sent May 2,

New to BGT? Great! Please read this..

Jamie D. — 2013-05-05T04:34:22

Hello new folks,

We are super glad you are here and hope you will be joining the ranks of our established gear testers very soon. Below you will find some must do's if you want your Owner Review (OR) added to our Edit Queue. These points will make your life and the lives of those involved with the OR process much easier. We all appreciate you taking time to review and apply this info. BEFORE submitting your first OR.

1. READ the "How to Become a Tester" information on the
www.backpackgeartest.org website carefully. I know at first glance the documentation seems like a major uphill climb but as with all summits, the work you put in ahead of time will definitely pay off as you work your way through our process.

2. We strongly encourage new writers to write about, A. a simple piece of gear and B. and item with which you have lots of trail time. By lots we mean a season or more involving several days/nights in the field. Use around town, in your backyard, etc. does not count as field time.

3. ORs will NOT be accepted into the Owner Review Edit Queue if they do not clearly state the number of days/nights you have used the item. Given the nature of an Owner Review and the possible amount of years you could have owned the item we understand it may not be possible for you to recall the exact number of uses so an estimate is fine.

4. ORs will also not be accepted if you do not include your real full name and email address in the Tester Bio Section.

5. We highly recommend including at least one picture in your Owner Review as well. Although not mandatory in the first OR, pictures are required for the 2nd OR and all reviews of test gear so adding one or more to OR #1 is good practice.

6. Please make sure you spell check and proofread your work before posting and reposting to the Yahoo group. You will avoid a ton of silly errors and time if this is diligently done.

7. When you are ready to post your OR to the Yahoo group for editing please also create an HTML version. This version should be posted in the TEST Folder on the www.backpackgeartest.org website. Include a link to the HTML version at the top of the OR you submit to the Yahoo group so your editor knows where to look for it. You will not be able to proceed through the edit process until the HTML version has been uploaded to the Test Folder. If you need assistance with converting your report to HTML please see our Report Writer on the main BGT website.

8. When posting an OR for the first time please use this format in the subject line
Owner Review: Company & Product Your Name
Here's a current example from one of our veteran testers
OR - Injinji Tetratsok Liner - Kathy Waters

9. When REPOSTING, meaning after your OR has been taken and edited by an editor AND you have made all the requested corrections, please use this format in the subject line
REPOST: OR - Company & Product Your Name
Ex: REPOST: OR - Sea to Summit Silk Liner - Shawn Wakefield

10. If you will be off hiking, visiting your grandchildren, having a baby, heading an expedition to each of the 7 summits or otherwise away from email access for more than two or three days it is very much appreciated if you post a note to the Yahoo group to let us know what is going on. At BGT we call this an Out of Pocket notice or OOP. This quick note lets us know you are still around and interested in BGT but you are away from email contact for a predetermined length of time. Please include your name, the date you are leaving and returning, and what ORs are affected by your absence.

Again, welcome to BGT and I hope you find this message informative. Please direct any questions to the BackpackGearTest Yahoo group.

Cordially,
Mrs. Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

Thank you Wyatt Freeman Re: Owner Review- CamelBak Cloud Walker

Jamie D. — 2013-05-05T04:33:32

PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL IN FULL. IT IS MOST IMPORTANT!

Thanks for your Owner's Review. It has been added to the Owner Review Queue and will be picked up by an Edit Moderator soon. If you are new to BackpackGearTest.org, welcome to the community! The Editors will work with you, within their own time constraints, to get your first two Owner Reviews approved and upload in a timely manner. Do not worry if nothing happens with it for several days. All our Editors are volunteers and your report will be subject to an official edit within fourteen days. If you have not had a response from an Edit Moderator via the Yahoo Groups list within this timeframe, please let me know directly at jdeben(at)hotmail.com

To assist in this process, if this is your first Owner Review we ask that you post only ONE Owner Review for edit at a time. Our experience is that it is more efficient for both the Editors and
yourself, if you post your first review, have it edited, approved and uploaded before you post your second and subsequent reviews.

Once your first two Owner Reviews have been approved and you have submitted your Tester Agreement you will be eligible to start applying for Tests. If you'd like more assistance or guidance with the process you can request a mentor by sending an email to Jenn K., the mentor coordinator, at mentor (at) backpackgeartest.org.

You may receive edits or comments from other members of the group. These edits and comments, while not official, should be considered carefully, and if you find them substantial, revise and re-post your review. Incorporating member edits and re-submitting to the list
will usually result in a better review, as well as making things easier for the official Editor. Please put REVISED in the subject line of your re-submitted review if you take this route or make any
changes to your review BEFORE the review has been taken by an Edit Moderator.

Additionally, it is important for you to monitor the Yahoo Groups list to keep track of the progress of your Owner Review. Once an Editor has taken your OR and made the necessary edits they will post their comments to the list with EDIT in the subject line. Once you have incorporated these edits into your review please use REPOST in the subject line. When your OR has been approved by the Editor they will use APPROVED in the subject line.

If you'd like to keep track of the progress of your OR while it's in the edit queue, the entire Owner Review Queue is posted to this yahoo group list on either Thursdays or Fridays.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to ask via the list or contact me directly.

Regards
Jamie DeBenedetto
Editors Team Director

Congrats are in order!!

Jamie D. — 2013-05-05T04:31:21

Please welcome our newest newbie, Joe Schaffer.  Congrats Joe and welcome to official Tester status!  Get those apps in and get some gear!

Editors Team Director
Jamie D

gmane.culture.backpacking.backpackgeartest

OR - Black Diamond FlickLock Snow Saw - Andrea Murland

OR - Ursack food bag by Joe Schaffer

Attn: Ken Topliss Re: OWNER REVIEW-Outdoor PRODUCTS BACKPACKERS TARP

Edit - CamelBak Cloudwalker - Wyatt Freeman

WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of May 13

Edit/Approval: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

REPOST OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

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EDIT: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

Edit/Approval - Sierra Designs Microlight - Alex Legg

Edit/Approval - Gregory Denali Pro - Joe Schaffer

REPOST OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

OWNER REVIEW-Outdoor PRODUCTS BACKPACKERS TARP

EDIT: OR REI Pinnacle 35 daypack - Bob Dorenfeld

RE: Congrats are in order!!

Follow-up for Adam Albertson Re: OR - Mens VERGLAS GAITER

WEEKLY UPDATE:> OWNER REVIEW QUEUE as of May 2

New to BGT? Great! Please read this..

Thank you Wyatt Freeman Re: Owner Review- CamelBak Cloud Walker

Congrats are in order!!

Follow-up for Adam Albertson Re: OR - Mens VERGLAS GAITER