http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1129 <pre>Hello List, we looked at SMIL some time ago and decided there was not enough support from the browsers to make implementing it worthwhile. So we developed our own timeline solution, Testimony Software, and wrote an authoring toolkit to make content creation simple and quick. You can see what we've been able to accomplish at http://www.acoh.com.au, with a paper decribing an implementation of Testimony Software at Project Jukebox of the University of Alaska Fairbanks available from http://www.acoh.com.au/OHA2007.pdf. Our latest project is a teachers guide at http://www.accteachersguide.com and this provides excerpts from the 1956 Alaska Constitution Convention recordings. We understand that our solution does not have as much flexibility as the SMIL spec but it suffices for our purposes and lets our clients focus on their content whilst we sort out the technology, a message getting much traction. I'm happy to answer any questions. bobj </pre> Dr Bob Jansen 2012-04-17T21:11:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1128 <pre>Hello everyone on the list, Hello Jose, SMIL/Timesheets will likely remain a W3C note. We as a group tried to get a dual-implementation path going so that we could move this to Rec before wrapping up this edition of the SYMM WG, but we wound up with only a collection of partial implementations. Practically speaking, I expect that there will be a number of implementations of Timesheets in the coming year, although not all will cover the entire specification. We have seen some interest from browser makers in providing richer timing support for media in implementations, but it is really not clear who this will pan out. On special-purpose devices, like TVs, the exploitation path is clearer. We at CWI are working with the Brazilian NCL community on set-top box integration of our languages. We are also working with others on pop-corn implementations that consider synchronization specifically. I hope that these efforts make themseleves to this list as they develop! Keep those cards and letters coming! cheers, -d. </pre> Dick Bulterman 2012-04-17T19:20:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1127 <pre></pre> jose< at >multimedia4everyone.com 2012-04-17T18:24:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1126 <pre>Hello, I have a follow up question on this issue. So would it be best practice to simply include the RDF in the metadata element and not declare the smil doctype, as in the examples? Is it necessary to do the additional work to extend the language profile to define RDF? Thanks- Michael Vandermillen </pre> Vandermillen, Michael 2011-10-26T15:42:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1125 <pre> In section 17.4.11 it says: "The content model of metadata is empty. Profiles that extend the SMIL 3.0 Language profile may define the RDF (Resource Description Framework) schema to be used in extending the content model of the metadata element. The Resource Description Framework is defined in the W3C RDF Recommendation [RDFsyntax]. Other XML-based metadata formats may also be included in a smiliar manner. Note that if any content is added to the metadata element, a DOCTYPE must not be declared in the document." Note the last sentence. </pre> Sjoerd Mullender 2011-10-21T15:15:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1124 <pre>Hi- The w3 SMIL 3.0 site gives examples of adding rdf content to the metadata tag: http://www.w3.org/TR/smil/smil-metadata.html#edef-metadata However, these examples do not validate with the DTD provided: SMIL30Language.dtd from http://www.w3.org/TR/smil/DTD.zip This DTD defines the metadata element as an empty element. Sorry if I'm missing something basic. Please let me know if I should be asking elsewhere. Thanks- Michael Vandermillen Digital Library Software Engineer Office for Information Systems Harvard Library 90 Mt. Auburn St. Cambridge, MA 02138 978-495-3724 michael_vandermillen&lt; at &gt;harvard.edu </pre> Vandermillen, Michael 2011-10-21T13:28:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1123 <pre>Hi Cameron, On 21 April 2011 09:04, Cameron McCormack &lt;cam&lt; at &gt;mcc.id.au&gt; wrote: Thanks so much mate. Sorry I've been out of action. Suddenly got a chance to go and help with the volunteer work here and so was offline for a couple of weeks. Thanks again, Brian </pre> Brian Birtles 2011-04-26T00:45:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1122 <pre>Hi Brian. Brian Birtles: I’ve changed Gecko and the spec: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=651036 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/publish/animate.html#ValueAttributes </pre> Cameron McCormack 2011-04-21T00:04:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1120 <pre>Hi Alex, On 7 April 2011 10:37, Alex Danilo &lt;alex&lt; at &gt;abbra.com&gt; wrote: That's good to know. It gives us confidence that the proposed change will bring the specification into line with implementations (and common sense, since I believe the implementations are doing what is most intuitive in this case). I think the keyTimes issue is a bug (and that Cameron's test is correct) since I believe SMIL does say that keyTimes apply to to-animation as well[1] but I'm not fussed whether the proposed keyTimes wording ends up in the spec or not. Thanks again Alex, Brian [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SMIL/smil-animation.html#animationNS-InterpolationKeysplines </pre> Brian Birtles 2011-04-08T01:19:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1113 <pre> Hello Derkian, I have some SMIL examples on my website: http://www.multimedia4everyone.com There is an overview of SMIL 3.0, which is the spec. organized into where each element is in the document, it gives a visualization of the SMIL language. http://www.multimedia4everyone.com/smil30/index.htm And a more detailed page, list of attributes are added: http://www.multimedia4everyone.com/smil30/smil30rec_detailed-overview.zip If your looking for a simple SMIL presentation an mp3 file with some images and smilText try 'Tibicos'. If you want something more elaborate, a smilFile that has a bottom bar that opens up a panel showing the contents of the presentation for easy navigation check out 'Enuma Elish'. Do you want to pick the background music or text in a presentation, the bottom bar opens up those options. 'SF 1905'. These are presentations that last a few minutes to help get the ball rolling. Good Luck hope this helps, Jose -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Documentation of Smil From: Derkian Afonso &lt;derkian&lt; at &gt;iands.com.br&gt; Date: Mon, March 21, 2011 3:33 pm To: www-smil&lt; at &gt;w3.org Hi, My name is Derkian; i'm from brazil. And i'm doing a homework of my college; and the theme is SMIL. I really doesn't know much about this; but i'm looking for some documentation or explanation that can help me. Because, after all of this homework, we will have to do an Article about Smill. Can you of W3C, show me some important points to improve our article? Or corporations, websites, that use SMIL? Thanks for atention, ______________________________________ Derkian Afonso WebDesigner / Developer http://www.iands.com.br &lt; at &gt;iandark </pre> jose< at >multimedia4everyone.com 2011-03-25T20:00:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1112 <pre>Hi, My name is Derkian; i'm from brazil. And i'm doing a homework of my college; and the theme is SMIL. I really doesn't know much about this; but i'm looking for some documentation or explanation that can help me. Because, after all of this homework, we will have to do an Article about Smill. Can you of W3C, show me some important points to improve our article? Or corporations, websites, that use SMIL? Thanks for atention, ______________________________________ Derkian Afonso WebDesigner / Developer http://www.iands.com.br &lt; at &gt;iandark </pre> Derkian Afonso 2011-03-21T22:33:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1109 <pre> Can anyone let me know the basic differences between thes 3 with an example if possible ? -REST based service -HTTP PUT/POST -Webdav </pre> Datta321 2011-02-23T04:27:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1108 <pre> Ted Han wrote: Hi Ted, Thanks for your prompt response. Ya, I do need a specific example, just as you had mentioned in your response. Could it be possible for you to let me know as to how these 2 methods, namely ftp and Http Get may be used in reverse caching of proxy ? Regards, (Dattaprassanna) </pre> Datta321 2011-02-22T14:34:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1107 <pre>FTP stands for File Transfer Protocol, and is one of the old-timey ways to shunt files around the internet. FTP relies on having an FTP daemon set up on whatever machine is the host machine that you're pushing files to. FTP itself is notoriously insecure. SFTP (FTP over SSH) is an unrelated implementation with a similar interface to FTP made subsequently to address FTP's total lack of security. HTTP PUT is a RESTful HTTP verb, along side other verbs like GET, POST, DELETE and HEAD. The intention for PUT is to update an existing resource (which is denoted by some URI, such as http://example.host.net/video/1.html) with new data sent in HTTP headers (just as what happens when you POST to a resource). POSTs like any HTTP verb can be performed over secure connections using SSH and a browser's builtin facility for negotiating https connections signed with security certificates. If your goal is to set up a personal server to upload files to and from, you want to use something like FTP. If your goal is to accept, and update content from users (who may be untrusted -- and you should always assume your users are untrusted), then you probably want a web app that uses things like POST and PUT to receive data and files. Fundamentally, FTP and HTTP do very different things and aren't really directly comparable. To give you a more useful example, i would have to know more about what it is that you're atually trying to accomplish. -Ted On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 5:08 AM, Datta321 &lt;DS0036943&lt; at &gt;techmahindra.com&gt;wrote: </pre> Ted Han 2011-02-22T13:38:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1106 <pre> Can anyone explain in detail the difference between Http PUT and FTP with an example ? </pre> Datta321 2011-02-22T10:08:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1105 <pre>Apologies for cross-posting ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Call for papers for LHD-11 workshop at IJCAI-11, July 2011, Barcelona: Discovering Meaning On the Go in Large &amp; Heterogeneous Data http://dream.inf.ed.ac.uk/events/lhd-11/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ An interdisciplinary approach is necessary to discover and match meaning dynamically in a world of increasingly large data. This workshop aims to bring together practitioners from academia, industry and government for interaction and discussion. The workshop will feature: * A panel discussion representing industrial and governmental input, entitled "Big Society meets Big Data: Industry and Government Applications of Mapping Meaning". Panel members will include: * Peter Mika (Yahoo!) * Alon Halevy (Google) * Tom McCutcheon (Dstl) * (tbc) * An invited talk from Fausto Giunchglia, discussing the relationship between social computing and ontology matching; * Paper and poster presentations; * Workshop sponsored by: Yahoo! Research, W3C and others Workshop Description The problem of semantic alignment - that of two systems failing to understand one another when their representations are not identical - occurs in a huge variety of areas: Linked Data, database integration, e-science, multi-agent systems, information retrieval over structured data; anywhere, in fact, where semantics or a shared structure are necessary but centralised control over the schema of the data sources is undesirable or impractical. Yet this is increasingly a critical problem in the world of large scale data, particularly as more and more of this kind of data is available over the Web. In order to interact successfully in an open and heterogeneous environment, being able to dynamically and adaptively integrate large and heterogeneous data from the Web "on the go" is necessary. This may not be a precise process but a matter of finding a good enough integration to allow interaction to proceed successfully, even if a complete solution is impossible. Considerable success has already been achieved in the field of ontology matching and merging, but the application of these techniques - often developed for static environments - to the dynamic integration of large-scale data has not been well studied. Presenting the results of such dynamic integration to both end-users and database administrators - while providing quality assurance and provenance - is not yet a feature of many deployed systems. To make matters more difficult, on the Web there are massive amounts of information available online that could be integrated, but this information is often chaotically organised, stored in a wide variety of data-formats, and difficult to interpret. This area has been of interest in academia for some time, and is becoming increasingly important in industry and - thanks to open data efforts and other initiatives - to government as well. The aim of this workshop is to bring together practitioners from academia, industry and government who are involved in all aspects of this field: from those developing, curating and using Linked Data, to those focusing on matching and merging techniques. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Integration of large and heterogeneous data * Machine-learning over structured data * Ontology evolution and dynamics * Ontology matching and alignment * Presentation of dynamically integrated data * Incentives and human computation over structured data and ontologies * Ranking and search over structured and semi-structured data * Quality assurance and data-cleansing * Vocabulary management in Linked Data * Schema and ontology versioning and provenance * Background knowledge in matching * Extensions to knowledge representation languages to better support change * Inconsistency and missing values in databases and ontologies * Dynamic knowledge construction and exploitation * Matching for dynamic applications (e.g., p2p, agents, streaming) * Case studies, software tools, use cases, applications * Open problems * Foundational issues Applications and evaluations on data-sources that are from the Web and Linked Data are particularly encouraged. Submission LHD-11 invites submissions of both full length papers of no more than 6 pages and position papers of 1-3 pages. Authors of full-papers which are considered to be both of a high quality and of broad interest to most attendees will be invited to give full presentations; authors of more position papers will be invited to participate in "group panels" and in a poster session. All accepted papers (both position and full length papers) will be published as part of the IJCAI workshop proceedings, and will be available online from the workshop website. After the workshop, we will be publishing a special issue of the Artificial Intelligence Review and authors of the best quality submissions will be invited to submit extended versions of their papers (subject to the overall standard of submissions being appropriately high). All contributions should be in pdf format and should be uploaded via http://www.easychair.org/conferences/?conf=lhd11. Authors should follow the IJCAI author instructions http://ijcai-11.iiia.csic.es/calls/formatting_instructions. Important Dates Abstract submission: March 14, 2011 Notification: April 25, 2011 Camera ready: May 16, 2011 Early registration: TBA Late registration: TBA Workshop: 16th July, 2011 Organising Committee: Fiona McNeill (University of Edinburgh) Harry Halpin (Yahoo! Research) Michael Chan (University of Edinburgh) Program committee: Marcelo Arenas (Pontificia Universidad Catolica de Chile) Krisztian Balog (University of Amsterdam) Paolo Besana (University of Edinburgh) Roi Blanco (Yahoo! Research) Paolo Bouquet (University of Trento) Ulf Brefeld (Yahoo! Research) Alan Bundy (University of Edinburgh) Ciro Cattuto (ISI Foundation) Vinay Chaudri (SRI) James Cheney (University of Edinburgh) Oscar Corcho (Universidad Politécnica de Madrid) Shady Elbassuoni (Max-Planck-Institut für Informatik) Jerome Euzenat (INRIA Grenoble Rhone-Alpes) Eraldo Fernandez (Pontifícia Universidade Católica do Rio de Janeiro) Aldo Gangemi (CNR) Pat Hayes (IHMC) Ivan Herman (W3C) Tom McCutcheon (Dstl) Shuai Ma (Beihang University) Ashok Malhorta (Oracle) Daniel Miranker (University of Texas-Austin) Adam Pease (Articulate Software) Valentina Presutti (CNR) David Roberston (University of Edinburgh) Juan Sequeda (University of Texas-Austin) Pavel Shvaiko (Informatica Trentina) Jamie Taylor (Google) Eveylne Viegas (Microsoft Research) </pre> Michael Chan 2010-12-18T00:48:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1104 <pre> Can anyone help me out in compiling ambulant-2.2.tar on Win XP ? The problems I am facing while I am trying to compile Ambulant-win32.sln under ambulant-2.2\projects\vc8-smil3 is that, I find it gives linking erros for certain .lib files it does NOT find. How can I solve this problem ? Is there any download which will have all the necessay third_party_packages bundled up in one package ? </pre> Datta321 2010-11-25T13:29:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1103 <pre>Hello, The question is not so much 'does SMIL support X' but 'is SMIL supported oon X'. (That is, SMIL does not explicitly support any hardware, but SMIL players/agents do need to support platforms. CWI's ambulant player has initial support for iPhones and iPads. A public release is expected in January, but if you need earlier access, let me know. Dick Bulterman (Co-) Chair SYMM </pre> Dick Bulterman 2010-11-18T14:11:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1102 <pre> Does anyone know the different versions of SMIL as in 1.0,2.0,2.1 and 3.0 that are supported by the following 1)iPhone 1 and 2 2)ipads 3)Android/G-phone ? Please provide the respective links if you are aware about it. </pre> Datta321 2010-11-18T13:49:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1101 <pre>Hi Jack, Thanks very much for your response. On 11 October 2010 05:38, Jack Jansen &lt;Jack.Jansen&lt; at &gt;cwi.nl&gt; wrote: Thanks, will do. Right, there are some difficulties. However, if SMIL is to be part of the Web platform I think this behaviour is important. It's hard on developers when attempting to remove a &lt;circle&gt; from the DOM fails just because it has an &lt;animate&gt; element hanging off it. Furthermore, I can imagine editor-type applications wanting to create animated SVG documents entirely via script. So far our experience is that, while difficult, modifying live documents is certainly achievable. SMIL already requires some facility for recalculating intervals and propagating those changes to support syncbase timing. We reuse some of that behaviour every time a timing-related attribute is set on an animation element. We also use an observer pattern to watch for ID changes and then update dependencies, event registration etc. accordingly. For the subset of SMIL available in SVG I think we have this working reasonably well. But perhaps the difficulty arises when supporting more general time containers and other SMIL features beyond SMIL Animation? Best regards, Brian </pre> Brian Birtles 2010-10-12T00:17:19 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.smil/1100 <pre> On 8 okt 2010, at 02:45, Brian Birtles wrote: Brian, I think you'll have to ask this in a more SVG-specific forum, at least: you'll be more likely to find people there who have an opinion on this for SVG, which seems to be your main interest. For SMIL 2.0 we specifically allowed only very limited modification of the DOM tree (only adding begin times, really), because the semantics of modifying the live document on the fly are horrendous. At that time, we thought that a later incarnation of the SYMM group might tackle this, but so far that hasn't happened:-) I'm personally rather interested in the subject of modifying active documents, and we've written a paper on preliminary work for Document Engineering this year, with the plan to work things out more thoroughly for next year. But so far the results are that allowing any random modification to an active document is probably out of the question, unless you're willing to recompute the whole timegraph, and even then describing the semantics of the changes will probably be (a) very difficult and (b) unexpected by end users. But the good news is that if you disallow some things (such as removing a node on which other nodes depend for their timing) it may be possible to come up with reasonable semantics. But, as said: the actual work still has to be done... -- Jack Jansen, &lt;Jack.Jansen&lt; at &gt;cwi.nl&gt;, http://www.cwi.nl/~jack If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution -- Emma Goldman </pre> Jack Jansen 2010-10-10T20:38:38 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.web.smil