http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31682 <pre> Reinhard Kotucha wrote: &lt;Many words of wisdom&gt; Thank you, Reinhard. Trying now, initial problems are as follows : 1) Highlight default value and paste does not trash contents of field 2) Shift-home/end keys do not work as expected 3) Cursor (I-beam / insertion point)flashing at end of string but delete ("Backspace") action takes place at beginning of string 4) Restoring focus to GUI having previously removed focus is unreliable. ** Phil. </pre> Philip TAYLOR 2012-05-24T22:35:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31681 <pre>Le jeudi 24/05/12 à 21h48, Siep Kroonenberg &lt;siepo&lt; at &gt;cybercomm.nl&gt; a écrit : I experienced a `Perl has stopped working' trouble yesterday with another student on a Windows system. This came from an active anti-virus. Disabling it the time of the installation resolved the problem. I would advise to clearly warn the user about this on the installation dialog boxes. </pre> Denis Bitouzé 2012-05-24T20:54:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31680 <pre> &gt; I have steered well clear of getting involved in TL 2012 testing, &gt; but as a responsible Windows advocate I recognise my responsibility &gt; to participate in testing when requested. If you can reassure me &gt; that installing TL 2012 will in no way compromise my ability &gt; to run TL 2011 unchanged, if you can send brief instructions &gt; for performing a network installation, and if you can outline &gt; exactly what it is you would like tested, I will be happy to &gt; oblige (at least, in my Win-7 32-bit Sandbox VM). Hi Phil, by default you can have different TL releases installed at the same time. They don't interfere. But AFAIR you modified the directory structure on your machine(s). If true, I recommend to check the paths in the directories menu carefully before pressing the install button. But I assume that with a modified directory structure it's even more unlikely to clobber an existing installation. If all you did was to replace "texlive" by "TeX/Live", then I don't expect problems. If you changed the location of texmf-local, you have to adapt the top-level texmf.cnf file accordingly afterwards, just as you did last year. Otherwhile your private files won't be found. If you're still unsure, have enough time and disk space, you can make a backup before. TeX Live provides bin/win32/zip.exe already. I've heard that some muesli eaters believe that making backups occasionally is a good idea... Regards, Reinhard </pre> Reinhard Kotucha 2012-05-24T21:47:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31679 <pre> Sorry, yes, I was being imprecise. It doesn't get the right document. Oddly, on my system the order is slightly better. I'm not running the 2012 pretest right now. alan$ texdoc -l l3clist 1 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/expl3.pdf = The LaTeX3 Programming Language 2 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/interface3.pdf = LaTeX3 interfaces 3 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3styleguide.pdf = LaTeX3 style guide 4 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3syntax-changes.pdf = Syntax changes 5 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/source3.pdf = Sources of the whole bundle 6 /usr/local/texlive/2011/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/README = Readme I think this is all for now. I had some discussion with Frank and Joseph about it. If there's anything else missing, I'll let you know. Alan </pre> Alan Munn 2012-05-24T17:44:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31678 <pre> Interesting. We have gotten more reports of `Perl has stopped working', without so far having got the faintest clue what that was about. At least, now we have your report of an error which may have triggered this. Even if the right TL is not first on the searchpath, all TL menu items find the corresponding TL first. We added a command prompt menu item with the corresponding TL at the front of the searchpath especially to deal with this Windows misfeature. On vista/w7, you have to explicitly ask for admin privileges even if you are an admin user. The question was not asked because the installer did not have the required privileges. We could warn about limited privileges, but in most cases it would just make things more complicated for the user for no good reason. </pre> Siep Kroonenberg 2012-05-24T19:48:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31677 <pre>I have steered well clear of getting involved in TL 2012 testing, but as a responsible Windows advocate I recognise my responsibility to participate in testing when requested. If you can reassure me that installing TL 2012 will in no way compromise my ability to run TL 2011 unchanged, if you can send brief instructions for performing a network installation, and if you can outline exactly what it is you would like tested, I will be happy to oblige (at least, in my Win-7 32-bit Sandbox VM). Philip Taylor -------- Denis Bitouzé wrote: &gt; Le mercredi 23/05/12 à 11h52, &gt; Norbert Preining&lt;preining&lt; at &gt;logic.at&gt; a écrit : &gt; &gt;&gt; Everyone, please test as far as possible on Windows computers! &gt; &gt; Sorry, I can't test as I don't own Windows computer myself. </pre> Philip TAYLOR 2012-05-24T19:29:22 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31676 <pre> I have installed the pretest on window XP SP3, and on Windows 7. Mostly it went well. I installed a custom scheme and all errors (except one, but I'll get to that) seem to have been my fault. Once I had everything installed, I installed some extra packages, deleted others, and ran tlmgr update --all. All went well on both machines. The winXP installation was on my office computer with a fast internet connection. It completed in just over 1 hour with no problems. The win7 installation was on my laptop with a home DSL connection. It took a little over 3 hours total, with a glitch at about 2.5 hours, probably due to a corrupted download. I have only two concerns. 1. Th mentioned glitch was a message from tar, complaining of "unexpected end of (something)" followed by a pop up window saying perl "has stopped working" and the installation aborted. I think this was a corrupted download of xifthen. It seems strange that an error in tar could lead to perl hanging, but that could be windows-specific. When I reran install-tl.bat after the abort, it detected the aborted installation (file installation.profile detected) and, successfully completed the installation in about 45min. It did not, however, remove installation.profile, which affected future test-runs. 2. I was using install-tl-advanced.bat. The gui asks one question on winXP that it doesn't ask on win7: Install for all users? This is a concern because I still had TL2011 in my system path on both machines. The system path is pre-pended to a user-specific path. If I don't install 2012 for all users, the 2012 binaries come after the 2011 binaries. On winXP I answered the question "No" and the above problem occured, requiring me to correct the paths by hand. I decided to answer the question differntly on win7, but the question was not asked! The 2012 binaries were added to my user path and I again had to correct the paths by hand. For both these I was using install-tl-20120522. I have since checked install-tl-20120523 on win7 (still not asking) and this morning install-tl-20120524 on winXP (still asking). That last one had fully functioning vertical scroll bars (but no horizontal scroll bars). I have so far used pdftex in 2012 to create a quiz, without problems (both dvi and pdf output). I've use kpsewhich with expected results and also tlmgr. BTW, both systems are single-user in practice. I have for a long time been setting TEXMFVAR = $TEXMFSYSVAR TEXMFCONFIG = $TEXMFSYSCONFIG in the texmf.cnf in the TeX Live root directory. Thus updmap and updmap-sys do the same thing and I have never had the problems recently discussed on the TeX Live mailing list. Thanks for the excellent work and best regards, Dan Daniel H. Luecking Department of Mathematical Sciences Fayetteville, Arkansas http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~knuth/iaq.html </pre> Dan Luecking 2012-05-24T18:02:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31675 <pre>Sorry for replying so late. Fixed now. Thanks for your suggestion. Manuel. </pre> Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard 2012-05-24T17:38:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31674 <pre>Hi, On 23/05/2012 17:19, Alan Munn wrote: Do you really mean "fails to find any" or just "doesn't show the correct one first"? Here I get: mpg&lt; at &gt;roth:~% texdoc -l l3clist 1 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/README 2 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/expl3.pdf 3 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/interface3.pdf 4 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3styleguide.pdf 5 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/l3syntax-changes.pdf 6 /home/mpg/tl/trunk/Master/texmf-dist/doc/latex/l3kernel/source3.pdf Ok, I copy-pasted your list to the distributed texdoc.cnf, thank you for providing it. I must admit I'm not at all up to speed with latest l3 developments, and I'm short on time to look into the document right now, so if you feel like checking if other l3-related aliases are needed, your help would be very much appreciated. Thanks, Manuel. </pre> Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard 2012-05-24T17:10:00 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31673 <pre>Le mercredi 23/05/12 à 11h52, Norbert Preining &lt;preining&lt; at &gt;logic.at&gt; a écrit : Sorry, I can't test as I don't own Windows computer myself. </pre> Denis Bitouzé 2012-05-24T14:02:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31672 <pre>Le mercredi 23/05/12 à 07h42, Norbert Preining &lt;preining&lt; at &gt;logic.at&gt; a écrit : Sorry, it was the 2011 version. </pre> Denis Bitouzé 2012-05-24T14:02:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31671 <pre> On May 24, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Bruno Voisin wrote: Howdy, Same experience as Bruno. Following his suggestion in (4) and then (6) seems to have worked for now. Hopefully this will all get straightened out tomorrow when TeX Live Utility installs the corrected version of tlmgr. Good Luck, Herb Schulz (herbs at wideopenwest dot com) </pre> Herbert Schulz 2012-05-24T11:56:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31670 <pre>The TL installer doesn't create any per-user local tree. On Unix, many user accounts don't represent "real" users, so it would be a nightmare to figure that out. Some directories such as TEXMFVAR are created automatically the first time they are need, others like TEXMFHOME need to be created manually the first time the user needs them. Right. Manuel. </pre> Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard 2012-05-24T11:26:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31669 <pre>Am Thu, 24 May 2012 10:34:57 +0200 schrieb Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard: But probably such a normal user can't create local trees in the home directory ("user profile" on windows) of other user. So I assume the other user will have to extend the installation somehow at first use. Imho something like this could also be done on windows. I think that is a good idea. Quite a lot users want simply to use TeX for themselves, don't really understand the difference between using a tool "as admin" or "as user", and are bewildered that local user configurations and files take precedence over the files of the the almighty admin. </pre> Ulrike Fischer 2012-05-24T11:15:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31668 <pre> Hmm, I have perl 5.14.2, maybe that makes a difference. Yeah, what I suspected, thanks for checking. Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining&lt; at &gt;{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live &amp; Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ DETCHANT (n.) That part of a hymn (usually a few notes at the end of a verse) where the tune goes so high or low that you suddenly have to change octaves to accommodate it. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff </pre> Norbert Preining 2012-05-24T09:23:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31667 <pre> I observed the same error on MacOSX 10.7.4 perl 5, version 12, subversion 3 (v5.12.3) and on RHEL 5 perl, v5.8.8 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi and your remedy worked on both Victor ======================== Victor Ivrii, Professor, Department of Mathematics, University of Toronto http://www.math.toronto.edu/ivrii </pre> Victor Ivrii 2012-05-24T09:17:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31666 <pre> As said, I don't know why my perl accepts this and yours not. Anyway, best option to make it work immediately is to change the u in this line to an i So that the line looks like if (($p !~ m!^(http|ftp)://!i) &amp;&amp; That should make all happy. Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining&lt; at &gt;{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live &amp; Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ARTHURWhat is an Algolian Zylatburger anyway? FORDThey're a kind of meatburger made from the most unpleasant parts of a creature well known for its total lack of any pleasant parts. ARTHURSo you mean that the Universe does actually end not with a bang but with a Wimpy? --- Cut dialogue from Fit the Fifth. --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy </pre> Norbert Preining 2012-05-24T08:58:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31665 <pre> I like the idea ... let us not forget it for next year. Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining&lt; at &gt;{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live &amp; Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ (aikamuotojen käyttö aikamatkustuksessa) You can arrive (mayan arivan on-when) for any sitting you like without prior (late fore-when) reservation because you can book retrospectively, as it were when you return to your own time. (you can have on-book haventa forewhen presooning returningwenta retrohome.) --- Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy </pre> Norbert Preining 2012-05-24T08:53:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31664 <pre>Hi Ulrike, On 23/05/2012 16:48, Ulrike Fischer wrote: There is no such thing as a single user installation of TeX Live. Only a multi-user installation that happens to be used by only one user. This is completely independent from whether you need administrative privileges to install or not. On Unix it is perfectly doable to install as a normal user without any (knowledge of) administrative account and still have the resulting installation be used by many users. But maybe we could/should indeed create a "single user" installation option (obviously not this year), which would basically mean that TEXMFSYSCONFIG == TEXMFCONFIG and TEXMFSYSVAR == TEXMFVAR so that updmap and updmap-sys would do exactly the same thing, hence never conflict. Manuel. </pre> Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard 2012-05-24T08:34:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31663 <pre> On second thought, strange, I ran tlmgr update --self --all today, but the --all part which is an actual re-execute of the new tlmgr did work out .. hmmm ... have to investigate. But I know where the bug is. Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining&lt; at &gt;{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live &amp; Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ KIBBLESWORTH (n.) The footling amount of money by which the price of a given article in a shop is less than a sensible number, in a vain hope that at least one idiot will think it cheap. For instance, the kibblesworth on a pair of shoes priced at £19.99 is 1p. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff </pre> Norbert Preining 2012-05-24T07:36:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.tex.live/31662 <pre> Ouch ... strange that it didn't happen on my computer. I'll fix it in a minute, but one will have to use the update-tl-latest stuff tomorrow to recover. Best wishes Norbert ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Norbert Preining preining&lt; at &gt;{jaist.ac.jp, logic.at, debian.org} JAIST, Japan TeX Live &amp; Debian Developer DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PLEELEY (adj.) Descriptive of a drunk person's attempt to be endearing. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff </pre> Norbert Preining 2012-05-24T07:31:03 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.tex.live