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Re: new stylus concepts by Apple?

Charles Mangin — 2012-05-25T02:14:23

for starters, the iPen is a separate active digitizer - the PressurePen is essentially like a standard stylus with the addition of pressure sensitivity.

as i understand it, the iPen doesn't have any pressure sensitivity, just higher precision than other styli since it has a separate means of registering its location. 

there are two other pressure sensing styli out there, though:
http://hex3.co/products/jaja
and 
http://tenonedesign.com/bluetiger.php

the main difference, as i see it, is that mine will be considerably less expensive, and open source hardware.


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On May 24, 2012, at 8:22 PM, Laurence W Brown wrote:


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Re: new stylus concepts by Apple?

Laurence W Brown — 2012-05-25T00:22:56

How is your stylus different from or better than the iPen Kickstarter project?

Sent from my 2Pad…

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Re: new stylus concepts by Apple?

Charles Mangin — 2012-05-24T20:38:11

what surprises me isn't that Apple has stylus patents like this, but that it includes optical positioning, but no pressure sensitivity.

which brings me to my project - a pressure sensitive stylus for iPad and Android tablets (see how i did that? wasn't that smooth? thread "hijacking" at its best...)

my stylus is on Kickstarter, and i'm still about $4,000 short of my goal with a week to go. any help, donations or links would be appreciated.

now, back to the original thread.




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On May 24, 2012, at 4:00 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:


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Re: new stylus concepts by Apple?

Warren Ockrassa — 2012-05-24T20:00:18

Heh, don't hold your breath. Apple looks into dozens of 'concepts' and
files hundreds of patents, mostly on tech they aren't ever going to
use, possibly to keep it out of the hands of other companies.

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Re: John Sculley: The Newton was two decades ahead of itstime

Forrest — 2012-05-24T18:40:51

The Pen Computing series of magazines is also available elsewhere  
(somewhere?) on UNNA, I believe.

It was a great series of articles about the Newton. I remember that  
during that time (mid 1990s) I was using a Sharp Zaurus ZR-5800, which  
did some things much better than the Newton (and many things not as  
well, like HWR). I was only a spectator to the Newton then, although I  
did manage to "test drive" one for a day or so. It was a lot heavier  
and not at all like the Zaurus that I was used to, which was like a  
very small laptop--clamshell design, touchscreen on top, actual  
keyboard (not just membrane style) below.

He writes with such enthusiasm...I believe that, if the series had had  
a larger subscriber base, the Newton would have done so much better. I  
remember that's why I wanted to try it in the first place.

The last several articles, when he discusses the discontinuation of  
the Newton, felt to me like he'd lost a very close friend. The  
enthusiasm was gone, and he even says that in the last regular issue,  
#26, from February 1999.

You should not be apologetic for sharing things like this with the  
rest of us...there's always the good chance that a new reader had not  
seen that collection before...and thanks to you, now they have.

Thanks,
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John Sculley: The Newton was two decades ahead of its time

Norman Keen — 2012-05-24T17:24:20

I just picked up on this interview with John Sculley, which starts:
 
Former Apple CEO John Sculley: the future of our health is in the cloud
The Newton was two decades ahead of its time, says the former Apple chief executive – and the future of healthcare will be driven by cloud computing 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/may/16/john-sculley-cloud-computing-newton 

It even has a link to the knowledge Navigator video! 

I'm a long time ‘lurker’ (from London, UK) on Newtontalk, and this is my first email to the group.
 
In the early days, I used to read Pen Computing magazine, and David MacNeill on the Newton. You can see his Newton Notes Archives at http://www.pencomputing.com/Newton/
 
I’ve used a Newton since 1993, and only gave up using my 2000 last November, when I bought an iPhone 4S - this still doesn’t do some things as well as the Newton (apart from HWR), for example, the ‘Spotlight’ type search function will not pick up words everywhere in the device!  My Newton is still has a lot of my 'history' on it, and I go back to it from time to time to check things out.  I also like occasionally to take it into one of the Apple stores, and show it to the staff, most of whom have never seen one -they generally were still at school when Apple stopped making the Newton.

Apologies if you’ve all picked this up already 

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new stylus concepts by Apple?

Isabelle Paquette — 2012-05-24T17:01:39

Hi!
Just came across this:
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/05/24/apple-researching-stylus-concepts-with-optical-tracking-and-haptic-feedback/
Isabelle

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eMate 300 for sale

Wm Anthony Connolly — 2012-05-24T15:12:53

Before placing an item on eBay, I thought I'd give you first crack: I have an eMate 300 for sale. It is in perfectly fine working condition (i.e. no hinge issues); comes in its original box/packaging, with manual, quick guide, connection CD; additionally it comes with the Keystone connection cable and CD for the driver. Cosmetically perfect, with original stylus; the only mar here is in black felt the undercarriage ID for a school division. I am selling because its connectivity to my new, and relatively new MAC and PC technology is a tad beyond my mental capability, though I am assured it is possible. $40 plus shipping. LMK, 

Wm Anthony Connolly





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Re: Just a little bit embarrassed... (Laurent Bourrelly)

Thick Parasite — 2012-05-18T19:57:38

Hi Ed,

The Green Dream is on a different timeframe; Newton stuff doesn't care
about time like other tech stuff.
Everyone is just glad you are back up.
Thank you so much for your contribution. We couldn't do it without you.

Merci
Au revoir
Laurent Bourrelly

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Re: Just a little bit embarrassed...

Rusty Miles — 2012-05-18T13:49:28

Hey Ed,

I for one am just glad you are back up and working.  Thanks for keeping that resource available.

Rusty
Nashville, TN

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Subject: [NTLK] Just a little bit embarrassed...

OK...I'm a little ashamed that it took me this long to get my site back up.
A little explanation if you want...I run two ESXi servers at home. All my Newton stuff (web server, SQL server, Cold Fusion server) was sitting on one server. This ESXi server hosted other outward facing sites as well.
The other server hosts my internal stuff...SharePoint, another website, IP Cam repository, plus another SQL server (to host my SharePoint site). This server is configured for internal connections only. This, along with strong firewall rules and separate networks keeps the traffid separate. 

I figured that instead of building a new SQL on my external ESXi server, I'll just pop the database onto the SQL server on my internal ESXi server, make some security changes and all would be good...
Nope, no such luck.
I ran into so many problems due to my paranoid security techniques, it was darn-near impossible for me to get the internal SQL to see the external IIS server...
Needless to say, multiple firewall changes, host file updates and fiddling with static routes, and configuring my internal security password strength to match external security password strength (internal passwords were looser due to people inside the house not being all that computer savvy) I finally got the Cold Fusion DSN to connect to the new SQL database server...
The short version is that my site is now back up...
Some of you may be getting another email from me...the database I had to use is an older database and my updater notifier saw that new packages were uploaded so it sent out an email to people who asked to be informed of updates...this should be the only email you get...unless I add more packages..

Sorry for the delay.

Ed
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Just a little bit embarrassed...

Ed Kummel — 2012-05-17T23:52:07

OK...I'm a little ashamed that it took me this long to get my site back up.
A little explanation if you want...I run two ESXi servers at home. All my Newton stuff (web server, SQL server, Cold Fusion server) was sitting on one server. This ESXi server hosted other outward facing sites as well.
The other server hosts my internal stuff...SharePoint, another website, IP Cam repository, plus another SQL server (to host my SharePoint site). This server is configured for internal connections only. This, along with strong firewall rules and separate networks keeps the traffid separate. 

I figured that instead of building a new SQL on my external ESXi server, I'll just pop the database onto the SQL server on my internal ESXi server, make some security changes and all would be good...
Nope, no such luck.
I ran into so many problems due to my paranoid security techniques, it was darn-near impossible for me to get the internal SQL to see the external IIS server...
Needless to say, multiple firewall changes, host file updates and fiddling with static routes, and configuring my internal security password strength to match external security password strength (internal passwords were looser due to people inside the house not being all that computer savvy) I finally got the Cold Fusion DSN to connect to the new SQL database server...
The short version is that my site is now back up...
Some of you may be getting another email from me...the database I had to use is an older database and my updater notifier saw that new packages were uploaded so it sent out an email to people who asked to be informed of updates...this should be the only email you get...unless I add more packages..

Sorry for the delay.

Ed
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http://newton.tek-ed.com (download Newton packages)

 
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Re: A familiar icon

Laurence W Brown — 2012-05-15T23:28:20

Call the copyright police!

Sent from my 2Pad…

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A familiar icon

Forrest — 2012-05-15T22:43:23

While going through today's Macworld newsletter, I opened a link  
(shown below) and--to my surprise--saw an old familiar friendly icon  
there on Time.com's "Techland" section, in the "Technologizer!" column  
by Harry McCracken.

Look to the left of the word "Technologizer!" at the word balloon  
coming out of the smartphone (is that supposed to be an iPhone?). Is  
that--the Newton lightbulb icon?

That's really very cool!

http://techland.time.com/2012/05/14/digitimes-apple-rumors/

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Re: The NTLK Newton Warehouse, EH?

Grant Hutchinson — 2012-05-12T21:03:26

On 2012-05-07, at 7:01 PM, Stefan Thorsteinson wrote:


No worries. Broadcast away! It's well within the guidelines.

g.

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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Smith Woody — 2012-05-12T05:21:59

Christian

I hope that the reason you are hanging around a  hospital is not  
serious.

In the situation you are in I would likewise be very cautious about  
making changes.

This prompts me to open a  discussion of what might be best practices   
as recalled by a long time reader of this list, and one who has lost  
data.
I hope others will chime in as my non-expertise is revealed.

1. Heap is your system memory and is where tasks get done.  Both  
Dashboard and Avi's backdrop report available heap.  I freeze Packages  
and Extensions that I'm not using to keep this as high as possible  
especially if I'm saving a Newton book as an HTML Works file or using  
NewtsCape to create a Newton book.  All installed packages including  
extensions are using heap unless frozen.

2. Keep some percentage of memory stores empty, I attempt to not  
exceed 75% of capacity of my internal and primary card.  I use a  
secondary card for large tasks that may cause a freeze up or system  
reset due to not enough heap.

3. I keep all Names, Dates, and Notes stores on my internal store  
along with what I consider core Packages and extensions.  I use my  
Primary store for all other data, packages and extensions that I  
regularly use including a full backup.  If your resources allow keep a  
spare card of the same size to restore to should this card fail,   
cards fail!  As mentioned I use a secondary/sacrificial card for risky  
operations that may result in corruption, and require reformatting.

These comments are more for newer users than for you at this moment.   
In your current situation it may be best to do nothing till you can  
backup your internal store.

Best of luck with your newton and what ever is keeping your around the  
hospital.

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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Forrest — 2012-05-12T03:23:15

Gotta agree with Simon--make room however you can on the Newt by copying internal data to storage card.

Unfortunately I can't think of any solution that doesn't ultimately involve backing up both internal and storage memory, brain wiping the Newton and formatting the storage card, and restoring both from the backup(s).There's still no guarantee of success, but it seems like it should work.

Thanks,
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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Simon Bell — 2012-05-11T19:26:17


So it’s a storage (= disk) problem, not to do with the heap (= RAM). Let’s park that out of the way.


Those numbers looks right; the internal capacity of a MP2100 is 3,523K. Nothing has disappeared into a black hole. I’m wondering though -- and this may be a good time to sit down if you aren’t already -- whether bad flash blocks that are mapped out of the available space count as ‘used’ (rather than reducing the store’s capacity). I don’t have experience (fortunately) of the characteristics of store failure, someone with hardware knowledge would better help here. Sorry to drop this bombshell, but it might cause an unexpected sudden loss of available space, no?

I can’t think of a tool that would itemise what’s using that ‘used’ space; does one exist?


If you File items in Storage onto a different store, you are operating on the soup entries on the store, not the store as a whole. The entries are moved: they are copied from the source store to the target and then deleted from the source. Entries in the target store remain intact; the ones you file (move) are added to them.

Freeing space on the internal store by moving entries to your card seems to me to be the only way forward for now. When in due course you have safely backed up I would reformat the store, restore data to it and we can re-examine the situation then.

Good luck with this; and with the situation you find yourself in.

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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Lord Groundhog — 2012-05-11T16:46:52

BIG thanks to everyone who's written to me about this here or directly.  It
feels better even if Newt is still sulking at me.  :-)

I should've given more helpful information about my Newt in my first e-mail
but I'm spending a lot of time hanging around a hospital -- no phone, no
computers, no outside world please -- and I produced that first message in
haste.  Unfortunately obligations here aren't even giving me time to make
soothing, cooing noises at Newt in the hope of wooing her back into more
co-operative mood. 

In response to suggestions and questions so far, let me explain and clarify
some things I should have included before.  I also have more questions!
Sorry, this'll be long, but I've tried to space it to be easy on the eyes.


The fundamental data, the numbers:
Memory Info reports
Internal    used: 3374K    free:   149K
Card        used: 4438K    free: 15105K

Incidentally, I tried the soft reset (button at the back for 4 seconds) as
soon as it happened.  No change.


1. Forrest, I currently make no connection to the outside world except via
Keyspan to my computer.  That decision has been my way of preserving at
least one thinking/working space free of distractions.

So, MailV is not a problem as I have nothing interwebbish installed on Newt.
No browsers or other mail programs either.


2. Unfortunately when I packed, I packed Keyspan, then unpacked it, then
forgot to repack it.  So, no linking with my computer until I get home
again.  That's OK except that it means no backing up of anything except to
the card.  

As it happens I keep some stuff on the card already since I like the idea of
being able to hand a curious person my Newt (after slipping the card out)
and letting them try out the HWR.  That way I know that they aren't holding
the confidential stuff.

But some stuff lives internally because I've been neglecting to clarify
something.   I have a specific question about this at the end.



3. Tony, you mentioned "rebooting".  Which reset do you mean, the
"extensions off" reset that Woody mentions, or the "power drain" reset?  I
can't do anything that risks data loss as I have data on there I mustn't
lose.  

Also, your suggestion to move soups to the Card touches the question I ask
further down, about storage in two places.  So I'll leave it there.



4. Woody, when you ask "is it a heap issue?" you put your finger on
something else I've neglected.  I don't know the answer to your question
because my Note To Self to read more about how Newton does stuff with memory
is stuck in my Pending tray.  I wouldn't even know how to answer you.   I
suppose the reset you suggested will temporarily empty the heap?  But then
when I restart Newt without turning off extensions, it'll return to the way
it is now and not having room to work, right?  Or is that part of what I
don't yet understand?



5. Simon, I was fascinated to read your comments about the OS store system
and VBOs.  Reminds me of the problems a certain OS exhibited in some of its
incarnations back in the now-distant past.

Regarding your observation about how I work, you're right that I tend to do
things pretty much as I've done since I got my first Newton.  The only
change was about 4 years ago now when I discovered Silverware's amazing
software.  

Oh yes, one other thing about work methods:  over I've been using the
facility to store anniversaries and recurring events in Dates.  I've
wondered if that was a problem.

Dates currently reports 377K used in Internal and 269K used in Card --
hardly earth-shaking.  In fact, that's the only soup to report over 100K
Internal, and one of only 3 to report over 25K.  Hence my bafflement at
what's taking up all the internal memory.



*** BONUS FOR THE PATIENT READERS:

This is the question I've meant to ask for years.  I see identically named
storage for Dates, Names, etc., in Internal and Card memory.  If I move the
one in Internal memory onto the card, will it overwrite (i.e., delete) the
one already on the Card, or will it combine the records of the two into one
new storage?  I should've gotten to grips with this a long time ago.  I
hesitate to move the Internal soups onto the Card lest I lose vital data.



And if you have been, thanks for reading.  :-)


 
Shalom, 

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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Simon Bell — 2012-05-11T09:10:20

I can’t offer a solution to your missing store space, Christian, but at the mention of MailV I felt compelled to jump in.

I believe there is a problem with the Newton OS store system.

There, I have said it. Specifically, if you allocate a Virtual Binary Object (VBO) and subsequently resize it so it becomes smaller, the difference in size is not reclaimed by the OS. There are no pointers to this lost space and it is unrecoverable; a reformat of the memory is required to regain it.

The problem shows up in MailV because allocating and resizing VBOs is what MailV does all the time. I can’t believe MailV is the ONLY app to do this, but I have no data for other apps.

If you haven’t changed the way you work, and available memory has been in line with your expectations over time, then I doubt the this is the cause of a sudden drop in free store space.

I would try Tony’s and Woody’s suggestions - and don’t worry, it’ll be fine!

Simon





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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Forrest — 2012-05-11T04:12:09

Christian:

I believe your misfortune could be at least partially caused by the  
dreaded Mail V Memory Leak (assuming you use Mail V). Take a look at  
this:

http://lists.newtontalk.net/pipermail/newtontalk/2011-February/005532.html

Contents thereof:

"On Feb 16, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Open Slate Project <osp at aloha.com>  
wrote:
 >

 > Ah yes, the mailv memory leak, I remember it. I would have to look  
back at my notes for the precise solution, basic idea is to use two  
memory cards, configure mailv to save to card, and from time to time  
wipe the mp to recover memory. Scarry the first time but not that bad,  
a lingering annoyance.
 > --
 >
 > DouglasMcComber <mccomber at eastlink.ca> wrote:
 >
 > Hi, I'm new to NOS and I've got Mail V running successfully (I'm  
getting this list with it). The problem is, even though I am deleting  
email after I've read it, I am running out of storage (eMate 300, not  
external storage card) as if I didn't delete them. I've checked "All  
Items" to be sure and there is nothing in my In/Out box whatsoever. I  
have SBM Utilities and have from the cleaner which reclaimed about  
47kb but prior to receiving list emails I had over 200kb free and  
haven't installed anything since. Thanks,  
Doug____________________________________________

 >
I recall reading somewhere that if you save MailV to a storage card,  
occasionally back it up, format the card and restore its data...you'll  
be able to reclaim that lost space.

Can't recall where I read that, though....

--Forrest

Sent from my AT&T iPhone 4"

That should be corrected for clarity: the backup of the storage card  
should be to a computer, not to a storage card...unless you have a  
second storage card. The point is, by saving what's on the storage  
card elsewhere, reformatting it and restoring its contents, you will  
reclaim the lost capacity.

Even if you don't use MailV it couldn't hurt to try this.

Hope that helps,

--Forrest

Thanks,
--Forrest

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Re: MP2100 error message -- internal memory full??

Smith Woody — 2012-05-10T22:25:14

You should be able to restart with stylus pressure at edge of display  
and choose not to load internal applications.
Do Backup to card.
I have found that netscape cache can use a lot of room.
Is it a heap issue?

Good luck
Woody


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