http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9013 <pre> To complete what Louis wrote: the infrastructure migration will see major steps in the next few days/weeks, so even if you are not interested in following the evolution of the openoffice.org infrastructure it could be useful that you follow http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/ to make sure that historical (but valuable) content is not lost. Regards, Andrea. </pre> Andrea Pescetti 2011-12-26T17:24:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9012 <pre> I've already let you know, but if you need a confirmation now you have it. I would urge all other active volunteers on this list to help in the migration, as a service to our users, who will need a properly managed transition of the main N-L support channels (forums, now migrated, and mailing lists). The Italian version is below, but please use it only if I am unavailable; otherwise I would prefer to send the notices myself. The note has been slightly shortened since I'm already posting regularly about the migration, see http://openoffice.org/projects/it/lists/utenti/archive/ --- Leggete con attenzione questo messaggio, perche' contiene informazioni importanti su questa lista e su come continuare ad utilizzarla dopo la migrazione ad Apache Foundation. Nello scorso mese di giugno Oracle ha passato la gestione del codice di OpenOffice.org ad Apache Foundation, dove OpenOffice.org e' ora nella fase di "incubazione", quella che portera' alla prima release nell'infrastruttura di Apache (OOo 3.4.0). Oltre al codice, e' in corso una migrazione dell'intera infrastruttura, che potete seguire alla pagina https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status Potete anche seguire il blog del progetto all'indirizzo http://blogs.apache.org/OOO/ Tra i servizi che devono essere migrati ci sono anche oltre 300 mailing list, tra cui la presente &lt;insert-legacy-mailing-list-name&gt;. Per mantenere la vostra iscrizione, dovete seguire queste istruzioni: 1. Inviare un messaggio vuoto a &lt;subscribe-address-for-new-list&gt;, ovviamente dall'indirizzo che volete usare per la mailing list. 2. Attendere un messaggio di conferma che arrivera' dopo pochi minuti, e rispondere a quel messaggio. Basta una risposta vuota, l'importante e' cliccare sul tasto "Rispondi" e inviare il messaggio. 3. La nuova mailing list sara' disponibile all'indirizzo &lt;post-address-for-new-list&gt; 4. Sara' possibile cancellarsi dalla nuova mailing list scrivendo a &lt;unsubscribe-address-for-new-list&gt; e confermando come al punto 2. Per richiedere ulteriori informazioni basta rispondere a questo messaggio. Note 1. Evitate di iscrivervi alle nuove liste con un indirizzo &lt; at &gt;openoffice.org, non e' chiaro se verranno mantenuti. 2. Gli archivi delle liste in chiusura rimarranno disponibili su http://openoffice.markmail.org/ 3. Gli archivi delle nuove liste saranno su &lt;list-archives-url&gt; 4. E' possibile anche l'accesso via GMane; nel caso, richiedetelo e provvederemo. --- Regards, Andrea. </pre> Andrea Pescetti 2011-11-05T22:20:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9011 <pre></pre> KS< at >apache.org 2011-11-02T16:23:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9010 <pre>Hello! I mainly translate the template 1 (switching Background and Resubscribing parts) to Finnish. Raw text is shown below. There is five old mailing lists. Only users-list urgently needs Finish text I think. announce&lt; at &gt;fi.openoffice.org commits&lt; at &gt;fi.openoffice.org dev&lt; at &gt;fi.openoffice.org issues&lt; at &gt;fi.openoffice.org users&lt; at &gt;fi.openoffice.org If there is need for better formatted or otherwise corrected text I am willing to try do what I can do. Regards Risto Jääskeläinen OOo localization team in Finland Subject: OOo-postituslistojen siirto Apachelle ----------------message part start------------------- Lue tämä tärkeä ilmoitus kokonaisuudessaan ja toimi sitten parhaaksi näkemälläsi tavalla. Tässä viestissä on tärkeää tietoa käyttämästäsi postituslistasta, sen siirtymisestä Apache Software Foundationin alaisuuteen ja siitä, mitä nykyisen listan tilaajan on tehtävä varmistaakseen tilauksensa jatkumisen. Tilauksen jatkaminen Oraclen on tarjonnut ylläpidon aiemmin käytetyille yli 300 OOo-postituslistalle, joiden joukossa on myös nyt lukemasi postituslista &lt;insert-legacy-mailing-list-name&gt;. Tilauksen jatkamiseksi sinun on toimittava seuraavasti: 1. Lähetä sähköpostiviesti osoitteeseen &lt;subscribe-address-for-new-list&gt;. Käytä lähettämiseen sellaista sähköpostitiliäsi, johon haluat listan viestit vastaanottaakin. 2. Saat sähköpostiisi vahvistusviestin, johon sinun pitää vastata, jotta tilaus tulee voimaan. 3. Viestien lähettämiseksi uudelle postituslistalle käytät osoitetta &lt;post-address-for-new-list&gt;. 4. Mikäli haluat myöhemmin peruuttaa postituslistan tilaamisen, lähetä viesti osoitteeseen &lt;unsubscribe-address-for-new-list&gt;. Toivotamme sinut osallistumaan Apachen OpenOffice.org-projektiin! Jos sinulla on kysyttävää, voit lähettää kysymykset (englanniksi) osoitteeseen ooo-dev&lt; at &gt;incubator.apache.org. Taustaa Oracle luovutti OpenOffice.orgin (OOo) lähdekoodin Apachelle kesäkuussa. Apachessa kaikki uudet projektit alkavat "hautomossa". Tässä Apachen erityisosassa uudet projektit ("kuoriutujat") ja niiden yhteisöt saavat erityishuomiota Apachen "mentoreilta". Näin aloittajille annetaan tietoa Apachesta, varmistetaan, että lähdekoodi täyttää Apachen lisenssivaatimukset ja ohjataan heitä kohti ensimmäistä Apachen alaista julkistusta. Ennen uuden Apache OpenOffice.org 3.4.0-version julkistusta tarvitaan ohjelmointia, mutta samaan aikaan tehdään infrastruktuurin muuttoa Sun/Oraclen ylläpitämistä palveluista Apachen palvelimille. Tämä on valtava urakka, jota tekevät Apache OpenOffice.org-yhteisö ja Apache Infrastructure -työryhmä. Hanke onkin edennyt jo monilla osa-alueillaan. Lisätietoja siirtymisprojektin etenemisestä saa wiki-sivulta: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/OpenOffice.org+Migration+Status Huomautuksia 1. Suosittelemme, ettet tilaa postituslistaa vanhan openoffice.org-sähköpostiosoitteen kautta. Tässä vaiheessa on epävarmaa, tuetaanko sitä tulevaisuudessa. 2. Vanhojen postituslistojen arkistot löytyvät sivustolta http://openoffice.markmail.org/ 3. Uusien postituslistojen arkistot löytyvät sivustolta &lt;list-archives-url&gt; 4. Jos haluat käyttää postituslistaa Gmanen kautta, lähetä pyyntö siitä uudelle listalle ja yritämme vastata sinulle. The Apache OpenOffice.org (Incubating) Project Management Committee ----------------message part end--------------------- __ Saunalahdelta mullistava uutuus Nokia N97 ja kaiken kattava TotaaliMAX nyt ennakkomyynnissä uskomattoman edullisesti! Paketissa puhelut ja viestit (3000 min/kpl/kk), huippunopea mobiililaajakaista sekä Nokia N97 yhdellä kk-maksulla vain 59,95 e/kk (24 kk sopimus). Katso http://saunalahti.fi/totaalimax </pre> Risto I. Jääskeläinen 2011-11-01T09:45:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9009 <pre>У чет, 27. 10 2011. у 12:48 +0000, robweir&lt; at &gt;apache.org пише: Hi Rob, I am sending you email text that should be posted to the &lt;dev&lt; at &gt;sr.openoffice.org&gt; mailing list about planed migration to the new list &lt;ooo-general-sr&lt; at &gt;incubator.apache.org&gt;. Please give me further instructions if I should post this message to the wiki or somewhere else. Message text as follows: End of the message text. Best regards, Goran Rakic Former Serbian OpenOffice.org native-language project lead </pre> Goran Rakic 2011-10-27T15:41:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9008 <pre>The legacy OpenOffice.org servers have been hosted by Oracle. These servers will soon be shut down. We are working to re-host the most important websites and services at Apache. This includes the most critical mailing lists. We are sending notes to the individual mailing lists, inviting them to join the matching Apache OpenOffice lists. You can read a copy of this email here: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Email+Migration+Po st As you can see, this email is in English. We would like to send a similar note, translated into the native language, for the various NLC project lists.We need help with these translations and with helping subscribers migrate over to the Apache list infrastructure. If you can help with this, to be a liaison between an NLC project and Apache OpenOffice, please let me know. Thanks, Rob (Apache OpenOffice.org (Incubating) Project Management Committee) </pre> robweir< at >apache.org 2011-10-27T12:48:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9007 <pre>Hi Martin and all, Thank you, Martin, for posting this to dev&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org :) As OpenOffice.org Japanese Language Project is planning to make an announcement on announce&lt; at &gt;ja.open.office.org about the accepted proposal &lt;http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal&gt; which I translated into Japanese &lt;http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OpenOfficeProposal/ja&gt;, we would like to include Team OpenOffice.org e.V.'s plan or preparation in our announcement. On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 1:39 AM, Martin Hollmichel &lt;martin.hollmichel&lt; at &gt;googlemail.com&gt; wrote: Right. And we have to tell community members, users, companies, local governments and organizations about our perspective. I agree with you. And we have to tell them and listen to them about future of the product. What has Team OOo prepared so far? What is the link Team OOo will offer? Thanks, khirano </pre> Kazunari Hirano 2011-06-27T10:44:48 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9006 <pre>Hi Sam, yes, I have. First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" principle. My understanding is, that this principle is based on * contributing individuals * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because they have derived products or other business around the regarding software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or indirectly by companies. This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source projects. I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to execute on the "meritocracy" principle. So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of money offered. So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc. get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues addressed in an equitable process. We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around OOo. My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development resources. The non profit organization Team OpenOffice.org e.V. played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a quite defensive way (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html, will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on. Martin </pre> Martin Hollmichel 2011-06-16T16:39:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9005 <pre> OK, let's stick to these topics then. The last information we had from Oracle dates from more than one month ago, and was about turning OpenOffice.org into a "purely community-based project": vague at least, since it said nothing about what Oracle's commitment in terms of workforce would be in future. Since then, the only things I can see are a noticeable slowdown (albeit not a complete stop) in development and a general lack of response to community requests. Dozens of Italian translators are still waiting for the l10n build scheduled for May 5th and postponed to May 12th on May 9th, see http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease34 and I'd like to reassure them that their work won't be lost. Everybody would like to know if, after releasing a very impressive, solid, innovative 3.4 beta release, the OpenOffice.org projects is going to release 3.4 stable, and if there is a timeframe for it. Sure, but we can't have a proper discussion unless we get to know what Oracle means by "purely community-based project" and especially about its involvement and investments in the project: the experienced StarDivision/Sun/Oracle developers cannot be replaced without a huge technical loss for the project, and knowing whether we can still count on them affects the whole discussion. Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian N-L Project Lead. </pre> Andrea Pescetti 2011-05-27T22:17:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9004 <pre>hi all, On 2011-05-26, at 17:34 , Simon Brouwer wrote: I don't wish to be misunderstood. My point is not that having a good discussion about OpenOffice.org is out of the question here, on OOo lists. I find that fine, and the location quite proper. But such a discussion ought to be—must be—about OOo, its NLCs, its contributors, its goals, its options. Such a discussion, in other words is not really about TDF or LO, and to understand our options as only being one or the other is really to cut short what could otherwise be a really healthy reassessment of opportunities. Naturally, I also believe that any discussion in which we begin to lay out approaches to the future of OOo development—and there is a future—really needs to be done carefully, as it's *easy* to be misunderstood by others, however good willing they be, when the context is so very charged. -louis </pre> Louis Suarez-Potts 2011-05-27T03:48:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9003 <pre>Op 26-5-2011 21:39, Louis Suarez-Potts schreef: Why not? What better place than the OOo lists for discussion how to proceed with our project. It's been too silent in the discussion lists, people appear hit by fear, uncertainty and doubt, the project is dead in the water. After Oracle giving up, where are we standing? For instance, are we still able to release version 3.4? </pre> Simon Brouwer 2011-05-26T21:34:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9002 <pre>I think we are aware enough of Florian's post. :-) As I mentioned a couple of days ago on the marketing list, I would much rather have a neutral space made available for this sort of discussion, and do not want OOo lists to be dominated by this sort of post. If someone wants to suggest a neutral space, that's great: go ahead. best Louis On 2011-05-26, at 10:24 , Volker Merschmann wrote: </pre> Louis Suarez-Potts 2011-05-26T19:39:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9001 <pre>Hi, I am forwarding this also to this list as there had been zero response on discuss&lt; at &gt;openoffice.org and dev&lt; at &gt;openoffice.org. As there have been some answers on dev&lt; at &gt;marketing, please follow-up there. Thx Volker ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Florian Effenberger &lt;floeff&lt; at &gt;documentfoundation.org&gt; Date: 2011/5/25 Subject: [marketing-dev] Why TDF should be the place for one united Community To: dev&lt; at &gt;marketing.openoffice.org Hello everyone, I have not been subscribed to this list for months, but due to Louis' recent Cc, I was made aware of the discussion going on -- so, as a representant of TDF, but also as someone for whom personally the community means a lot, let me say a few words. I indeed see the current situation as an ideal basis for uniting things. The diversity the Community is in now doesn't help anyone. If you now think we, TDF, are happy and get satisfaction out of the current situation, you are terribly wrong. Even if we expected something like that to happen, our intention was to safeguard the project from this eventuality, not to profit from it. We all have similar goals: a free office suite, available to everyone. So let's not discuss about the past, about what has happened and about the reasons that led to this, but rather focus on the future. I want to openly repeat our invitation to everyone to join The Document Foundation and the LibreOffice Community. Why do I think that we are the right place to continue the work? In yesterday's blog post, we summed up where we stand, and reading it will help to understand the current situation: http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/05/24/updates-on-the-foundation/ 1. We are vendor neutral. I am sorry that I have to object to Louis' statement of us being a proxy for Microsoft -- nothing can be further from the truth. I must confess, that by statements like these, I feel even personally insulted. I spend many hours per day on a pure volunteer basis, and if anyone can point on those of my doings that are proxying for Microsoft, I would be interested to hear them. Otherwise, I'll ask to stop spreading those wrong assumptions -- as they are simply that: wrong. 2. We have a strong legal backing, not only by the German nonprofit "Freies Office Deutschland e.V.", but also by the Software in the Public Interest (SPI), and we are on track with establishing the Foundation as a legal entity. Even right now, we have all options needed for dealing with legal aspects, accepting and spending money. We already can and do maintain trademarks, brands and other assets. 3. We have an independent infrastructure that works and is not controlled by nor depends on a single entity. In addition, as we are not using a fixed web framework, we are very flexible in what we do. 4. We have not only gained a lot of momentum, but also a strong developer base of more than 200 volunteers, amongst them 40 who contribute on a very regular basis. Yes, of course, any contribution corporations with paid developers do are highly welcome and help a lot </pre> Volker Merschmann 2011-05-26T14:24:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/9000 <pre>Hello, I see on Wiki that deadline is targeted to 04/27/2011. In french language, we have many strings not translated for 3.4 release. I had open issue #117851 but still unconfirmed. What is the process to make a good localization? </pre> OOo forum 2011-04-25T18:12:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8999 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi On 2011-04-12, at 23:45 , imacat wrote: I can do that, as I'm the lead of that super-project. I should re-introduce myself, but will do so on another thread. I'd be curious to learn—also on another thread—why your team found it hard to contribute. If there are problems in that area, I want to resolve them. We've had enough misunderstandings, splits, mistakes and now is—now is always—the time to resolve them. best louis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEVAwUBTaWc2h4a7NiL73tZAQJr8gf+ML3HaFJ5BEFyUVM0dGAAt5b/ian0HhH3 CNwFJS6O17A0owab/yLNHliKrrihWw75pp16ETk6UlwGhPm/1Y79AFU7NMFNZjJM YnnIXUt6sFWM9mEmvEiuGeMKaLVy/6aiN5+J3/UD/oeQ88ce7eJs4HX6dIsyNYU3 xdOZ5bgtSdFkVIP9e78dGAijp22PmWUNKRACWCKeVkOb0FLF/PxEMWHaHJ7HUUrC M/R8dQqs61/Y9NcJhlVXX+gfGKaH8jme0cV0wDbfLYjhihb+QzmbBmiLtMulwSAq Oip6a8s27ifVwqow54cXiM33u20EA0CweFU7NHv8L1rJddSYbJUmag== =fxu3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </pre> Louis Suarez-Potts 2011-04-13T12:53:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8998 <pre>H all, I'm sorry for the late reply—I was doing some local travelling today. On 2011-04-12, at 09:33 , RAFAELLA BRACONI wrote: Welcome! Done. Imacat is now an Administrator of the zh.openoffice.org project; she joins some others in this role. "Administrator" is the same as "project lead" or "project owner." Basically, the role gives you the duty of having duties. Best, louis-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscribe&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sympa&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org with Subject: help </pre> Louis Suarez-Potts 2011-04-13T04:19:56 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8997 <pre> Thank you all. I'm imacat from Taiawan. We our Taiwan local community team urged to contribute to OOo zh-tw translation for years, and were unable to find a way to do this due to some reason. Most of our members are from the educational domain, including teachers, students and promoters. OOo is always an important part in our daily work to promote OSS. We are very happy that we can work together with you from now on. Hope that our joint effort makes OOo flourish. Please let me know when we are ready to edit the content. Also, Rafaella, could you please also update the information on this page http://projects.openoffice.org/native-lang.html ? I missed that. Thank you very much. On 2011/4/12 21:33, RAFAELLA BRACONI said: </pre> imacat 2011-04-13T03:45:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8996 <pre>Dear All, I would like to officially welcome Imacat in her new project lead role for the zh-tw OOo native language team. &lt; at &gt;Stefan/Louis: can you please grant her project lead permissions including admin access to the zh.openoffice.org web pages? For Chinese the zh.openoffice.org home page is a single point that hosts the links to the Chinese (Simplified) and Chinese (Traditional) pages. Imacat will take care of the maintenance of the Traditional Chinese ones. For the more dynamic content, I'd suggest the usage of the http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Zh-TW . Thank you in advance for all your efforts! Kind Regards, Rafaella </pre> RAFAELLA BRACONI 2011-04-12T13:33:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8995 <pre> Thanks, works for me! Actually there is still one bug that I cannot modify or see, and it is http://openoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=117513 ; but I assume this is being kept hidden for some good reasons (security, spam...) and that's OK with me. Regards, Andrea Pescetti - Italian N-L Project Lead. </pre> Andrea Pescetti 2011-04-09T08:36:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8994 <pre>Hi, the old canconfirm-rights in IssueZilla were re-activated on the new BugZilla. Means in detail, everyone within the old granted canconfirm-group should be enabled to edit every bug on the Kenai-BugZilla instance. If you have any issues please let me know, Thank you, Frank -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscribe&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sympa&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org with Subject: help </pre> Frank Mau 2011-04-01T09:58:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage/8993 <pre>Hi, I have been asked where one would submit his ssh2key nowadays with the new infrastructure in place. The quick answer is that there is no key needed if you use your project's SVN webcontent repository via the https URL. e.g. you can checkout and commit with your username/password via https://svn.openoffice.org/svn/de~webcontent or https://svn.openoffice.org/svn/nl~webcontent or... If you really prefer to work without password but with public key instead you need to add your public key to your profile http://openoffice.org/projects/help/pages/ProfileSettings#SSH_Keys Greetings Stefan -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe send email to dev-unsubscribe&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org For additional commands send email to sympa&lt; at &gt;native-lang.openoffice.org with Subject: help </pre> Stefan Taxhet (sonews 2011-03-22T17:44:56 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.openoffice.nativelanguage