gmane.comp.lib.vos.devel

Sorry, need another test message

Reed Hedges — 2008-08-23T23:49:24

Just want to make sure the list still works after changing something... Reed

test message

2008-08-23T23:38:24

This is a test message. Ignore. (Reed) [2fn]

Re: Why not? :)

reed — 2008-08-23T11:23:10

Posted at: http://interreality.org/phorum/read.php?2,286,295#msg-295 reed wrote: Looks like an interesting language, and it even has at least the start of a good library. I think it would be detrimental at this stage to switch implementation languages. Having a C++ base is pretty useful when it comes to portability and integrating libraries. But as you may know, one of the major features that Peter is working on for the next version is infrastructure that will make it easier to have many language bindings, IO could certainly be one of them, and we can try to think of ways of making the integration natural and using its features to the fullest... But I'll let Pete comment more authoritatively on that... Reed

Site is back up

reed — 2008-08-23T00:32:15

Posted at: http://interreality.org/phorum/read.php?2,293,293#msg-293 reed wrote: The website and email are back now. There was some problem in rebooting after moving the server to a new location. Reed

Re: property "shader"

reed — 2008-08-21T18:29:16

Posted at: http://interreality.org/phorum/read.php?2,291,292#msg-292 reed wrote: Can you explain a bit more what you mean? Do you mean to apply the "shader program" concept to any VOS property? And if that shader happens to be a GPU program, then run it on the GPU? I'd represent the shader as a Vobject, and point it at any other property as its input and outputs. Then you can use the UI to arrange and hook them up, chain them, etc. I asked you about something related a while ago but forget the specific context: could we use VOS as an interface between the CPU world and the GPU world, by moving property data back and forth as it changed, and more generally, by using VOS messages to send events/signals back and forth? Reed

property "shader"

Peter Amstutz — 2008-08-19T01:29:31

Just got back from SIGGRAPH a couple days ago. This year's unofficial technical theme was "the year of general purpose computing on GPUs (GPGPUs)". This got me thinking about how the CPU controlling the GPU is like a server and client communicating over a network. Just like giving the user a high quality, low latency experience means moving computation to the client, getting better graphics performance means moving computation to the GPU. What is interesting is that the programming model for GPUs is relatively standardized, and is based on functional programming principals that avoid side effects (which is what makes massive parallelism possible.) They define transformations of some input data to some output data. So my idea is that in VOS, one could associate a property value with a "property shader" which defined a transformation of that data. This could include typical graphics functions (vertex shaders, fragment shaders) but also be applied further up the graphics pipeline, for example to interpolate the world position of a moving character based on the last know position and some time step, or render effects like speech bubbles. The latter case is interesting because it splits up the event into a semantic part (the text message being communicating) and a presentation part (the shader that draws it). The interesting thing about GPUs that I didn't realize until last week is that they have been abstracted behind a virtual machine model; this means moving shader programs around the network in source or bytecode form is realistic since it will be compiled to the native architecture on the fly. The upcoming OpenCL ("Open Compute Library" or "Open Computing Language") is interesting since it's an attempt to standardize the CPU/GPU interface backed by the Khronos group (the same people that maintain the OpenGL spec.) All that said, VOS is pretty far away from actually trying out these ideas, but I wanted to throw the idea out there. [ Peter Amstutz ][ tetron-wX/YnnOvuzchx4vD9E7Hug< at >public.gmane.org ] [peter.amstutz-Tm69T9whmJaaMJb+Lgu22Q< at >public.gmane.org] [Lead Programmer][Interreality Project][Virtual Reality for the Internet] [ VOS: Next Generation Internet Communication][ http:// interreality.org ] [ http://interreality.org/~tetron ][ pgpkey: pgpkeys.mit.edu 18C21DF7 ]

Re: Why not? :)

Malx — 2008-08-18T20:31:00

Posted at: http://interreality.org/phorum/read.php?2,286,290#msg-290 Malx wrote: Hello I have not understand an answer really :( If you mean I need ftp/http server to use IO language it is not the case. Now there is VOS server. It will remain for internet commuications, but inside of it will be IO interpreter for object processing. Every "site" will have one. Malx

Re: Why not? :)

HEBLACK, J — 2008-08-18T18:01:32

Hi Pete or Reed, I ? Stay well. - Entrante.fif Search name: insondable Find items: If any criteria are met Sender contains myspace Recipients contains myspace Subject contains myspace Message Body contains myspace Source Account is HEBLACK, J public.gmane.org> Then Move to Folder Inbox/Air alert http://www.allmyamigos.com/view_profile.php?member_id=6145 On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:53 -0400, Malx wrote:

Re: Why not? :)

HEBLACK, J — 2008-08-18T11:11:18

Hello! It could simplify without Http or ftp server not that. Stay well. Jason - Entrante.fif Search name: insondable Find items: If any criteria are met Sender contains myspace Recipients contains myspace Subject contains myspace Message Body contains myspace Source Account is HEBLACK, J public.gmane.org> Then Move to Folder Inbox/Air alert http://www.allmyamigos.com/view_profile.php?member_id=6145 On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 14:53 -0400, Malx wrote:

All you need is a blue pilule. , vos-d-wX/YnnOvuzchx4vD9E7Hug< at >public.gmane.org

VIAGRA ® Trusted Shop — 2008-08-18T04:59:39

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Why not? :)

Malx — 2008-08-14T18:53:44

Posted at: http://interreality.org/phorum/read.php?2,286,286#msg-286 Malx wrote: Hello! I have seen this project a while ago and still it hard to grasp :) Sorry if I miss the point. Do you know the language: http://www.iolanguage.com/ http://www.quag.geek.nz/io/getting-started/ It is very small and easily embeddable language. It is Object oriented but very simple. It has no classes, but only objects (same as JS). And instead of methods it has messages ( File.open() is actually "send message 'open(param)' to object File). All things there are objects - numbers, base library, key words - they are just ordinary objects. So why I mention it? Why not to build VOS on top of existing language implementation? :))) Instead of scripting bindings - you get whole language for scripting. Instead of recreating object environment - you just use existing one. Instead of hard way of creating all object in C++ you could use most of scripting language and implement base library objects in C/C++ and embed them as IO objects. This will help newcomers a lot - just write scripts to make content. http://www.quag.geek.nz/io/visual/ (could you draw something like this for VOS? ;) It will simplify thing alot. If you think that it is not possible in internet environment I will not agree. Simple example - if you try to reference non existing object that will not end you program. It will load that object from file instead and program just continues. Same way it could import remote object from external server or deliver a message to it (this part needs to be done :) ). Malx

Re: Rough graphs of #vos channel activity

Reed Hedges — 2008-08-08T11:12:58

Oops, just noticed that the days of the week are out of order. Should fix that I guess. But there's an interesting upward trend toward the middle of the week, then it goes down to drop off on Saturday.

Rough graphs of #vos channel activity

Reed Hedges — 2008-08-07T23:39:14

First two graphs, averages of number of users on the channel. Not a great gauge of activity or when the best time to be on the channel, since most of the activity on #vos is just lurking. Since there's a small number of users, we can look more closely at who is on when I think. I think charting that is beyond the capabilities of gnumeric though... will need to think about that. I'm tempted to just put some basic graphic features in my Qt UI prototype and write a function to load a text file into dummy vobjects for use in that UI... Reed

[Fwd: [Foxgui-users] On unemployment insurance again..]

HEBLACK, J — 2008-08-01T17:16:08

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Re: babies

Reed Hedges — 2008-07-31T17:02:49

Interesting coincidence! Congratulations to you too! Reed Braden McDaniel wrote:

Computer Science Evocation

HEBLACK, J — 2008-07-31T10:33:56

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Re: Project: Zephan

Braden McDaniel — 2008-07-31T06:01:23

Congratulations, Reed! My own competing project--Dylan Jesse--started a couple of weeks ago. Here's a picture from Day 2. Some more recent ones (and some previous ones) are here: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=40tmq9nh.6uo36zg5&x=0&h=1&y=bnzfdn&localeid=en_US We're well into sleep deprivation at this point; but enjoying him immensely.

Re: Project: Zephan

Len — 2008-07-30T22:55:43

Congratulations Reed. Kids are the best. ... or the worst. Bit of a dice shot on that one. :-) Definitely worth it! len -----Original Message----- From: vos-d-bounces-wX/YnnOvuzchx4vD9E7Hug< at >public.gmane.org [mailto:vos-d-bounces-wX/YnnOvuzchx4vD9E7Hug< at >public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of Reed Hedges Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 10:51 AM To: VOS Discussion Subject: [vos-d] Project: Zephan I have a new top priority project that must compete with VOS -- Zephan Isaac was born on Friday at 7:30 PM! Though so far he's been great and we're well rested (so far) and on top of the world. More photos and news will be on my web site and on flickr in the upcoming weeks. Reed

Re: Project: Zephan

Karsten Otto — 2008-07-30T21:57:43

Ohhh, how cute! Congratulations, and my best wishes to you and your family for the future! Karsten Otto (kao)

Re: Project: Zephan

Peter Amstutz — 2008-07-30T17:49:07

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Re: Project: Zephan

sconzey — 2008-07-30T15:57:15

Congratulations, great choice of name. :D 2008/7/30 Reed Hedges public.gmane.org>: