gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.webteam

3.10 published on the website

Janko Mivšek — 2008-05-08T21:34:47

Dear all, Let me just report that 3.10 is now published on the website, thanks to the help from guys on the IRC. Now we are waiting for Ralph and Edgar to do an official announcement of the final 3.10 release. Best regards Janko

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Ken G. Brown — 2008-04-27T00:45:10

Probably the best way for getting answers to these kinds of questions, even if not a beginner, is by joining: Ken G. Brown At 2:20 PM -0400 4/26/08, Roi E. Childers apparently wrote: <>

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Brad Fuller — 2008-04-26T21:36:54

did you try searching on the wiki: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak On Sat, Apr 26, 2008 at 11:20 AM, Roi E. Childers public.gmane.org> wrote:

Suggestion for Squeak Website

Roi E. Childers — 2008-04-26T18:20:06

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Re: squeak zip-freezes

Brad Fuller — 2008-04-24T15:37:01

Staffan, I don't know the problem, but you could ask on the squeak-dev or beginners mailing list. This might be a universal problem so I will copy the squeak-dev mailing list to see if anyone has an answer (if anyone has an answer for Staffan, could you also copy him directly) A similar question was raised on the beginner's mailing list so you're not alone. Here's the conversation with a possible work-around: ================================ I don't have any Vista experience, but here's a shot in the dark, courtesy of google: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/prevent-explorer-from-freezing-with-large-zip-files-on-vista/ Or, if you have had good past experience with .zip files using Winzip+Vista, maybe try downloading a different version of squeak from http://ftp.squeak.org, like 3.9 perhaps, and see if it unzips correctly. ----- Original Message ---- From: globalrev yahoo.se> To: beginners< at >lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:52:23 PM Subject: [Newbies] Squeak-extract zip freezes Vista? i am trying to install Squeak, downloaded it from : http://www.squeak.org/ when trying to unzip winzip stops responding and i have to close it. why is this? what can i do insetad? ============================ On Wed, Apr 23, 2008 at 10:02 AM, Ragga Dajj yahoo.se> wrote:

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Janko Mivšek — 2008-04-24T09:38:33

Hi Antonio and the web team, I just changed /Community, Education corner to: Squeakpolis is the website that include anything the teachers need using Squeak at their classrooms in Extremadura, Spain as you proposed, Antonio, and removed a Small-land link from /Projects. Please keep us informed when you'll have some news, our news team will be glad to put them out on http://news.squeak.org ! Best regards Janko antonio wrote:

squeak zip-freezes

Ragga Dajj — 2008-04-23T17:02:23

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

antonio — 2008-04-23T10:27:22

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Janko Mivšek — 2008-04-23T10:45:54

Antonio, Should be project name be a new one then: Sqeakpolis instead of Small-land? Janko antonio wrote:

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

karl — 2008-04-23T10:01:02

I think he meant http://squeak.educarex.es/Squeakpolis Karl

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Janko Mivšek — 2008-04-23T08:18:21

Hi Antonio, antonio wrote: I see a broken link on /Community, Education corner: Small-land is a project using Squeak on 80.000 school computers in Extremadura, Spain. and on /Projects, Education: Small-land is a project using Squeak on 80,000 PCs in Spain Can you provide an exact link to the right site. My Spanish understanding is too little to find it by myself on a site you provided :) Best regards Janko

Suggestion for Squeak Website

antonio — 2008-04-22T07:49:28

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Keith Hodges — 2008-04-19T18:59:45

Hello Michael, I have been using Bazaar to version control my images, I am just getting to grips with it, and I think it is fantastic, better than mercurial for managing squeak images. So I have set up a server that I can use, and make public at some point. My typical workflow involves, downloading the version I want, unzipping, copying, moving the version into my "Originals" folder, applying LPF, copying that moving that into my "LPF" folder, and then copy that to a working directory in which I start to load the packages that I need. In looking at the Bazaar user manual, it allows some interesting ways of organizing a reporistory of versions/branches. Here is a sample of my current repository structure. /squeak/3.10/.bzr /squeak/3.10/LPF/.bzr /squeak/3.10/LPF/pr_tools/.bzr /squeak/3.7/.bzr /squeak/3.8/.bzr /squeak/3.8.1/.bzr /squeak/3.9.1/.bzr /squeak/3.9.1/LPF/.bzr The directory /squeak/3.10/.bzr is a repository for the base version, which contains within it, the repository for the LPF image that was derived from 3.10 /Squeak/3.10/LPF/.bzr , which in turn contains a repository of my "pr_tools" working image, which was derived from the LPF version. A user can obtain a base 3.10 release, specifying a revision number or tag if need be, via: bzr checkout sftp://squeak.warwick.st/squeak/3.10 myworkingdirectory --lightweight to obtain the LPF derivative: bzr checkout sftp://squeak.warwick.st/squeak/3.10/LPF myworkingdirectory --lightweight to obtain a personal working branch for a new project based upon 3.10/LPF: bzr branch sftp://squeak.warwick.st/squeak/3.10/LPF mynewproject --lightweight to publish a the new project back to the shared repository: cd mynewpoject bzr push sftp://squeak.warwick.st/squeak/3.10/LPF/mynewproject Although I am not writing a book, I am wanting to simplify, a) the learning process, and b) the collaboration process. Although it is getting easier the process of enabling others to learn and come on board is still an uphill one. So my plan is to adjust my day to day working to use a number of "Public Images". I will have a single image as my working environment for 5 or 6 tools, and publish that as a version controlled deliverable. This deliverable will have the test environment for each package ready to run, and the documentation that is written can be version managed alongside or in some cases in the image itself. If this works, I can ensure that a properly configured image with of all of these tools is available for anyone to browse and try out. When it comes to collaboration on any one tool, there is a clearly defined and very easily obtainable test-bed for any new innovations. I am hoping that this deliverable, version managed in a public repository, will help me to address some of my own weaknesses. I often find myself publishing packages which unwittingly break things. This is fine, IFF you can adequately inform potential users, as to which versions are working correctly and which versions are still pre-release, which tests pass and which fail. Our current tools (mcz/universes) do not provide that part of the feedback loop and so it is often very difficult to inform our users exactly which combination of bits works as intended.... So my solution is to adopt these version controlled "reference images". With such a hierarchical version controlled server in place, it becomes much simpler to tell a user exactly which image they need for a particular tutorial. Furthermore, the documentation could be version managed together with an image as a coherent whole. just my 2p Keith

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Michael Davies — 2008-04-19T17:20:35

... Hi Stephan, I wonder if you're aware of the discussion that Damien Cassou and (I think) Oscar Nierstrasz had on the squeak-dev mailing list where they proposed building a fixed "newbie" image that could then be used by everyone writing tutorials. This would address one of the frequent causes of newbie questions - "I'm trying to do X, but instead of Y happening, I'm getting Z", and this turning out to be because of a behaviour changing in the latest version of the image (eg default browser changing, menu options moving or being renamed, mouse button preferences changing, underscore behaviour, different versions of packages being imported etc etc). The ability to configure Squeak images to one's own preferences and requirements is one of its strengths for experienced users, but a cause of extreme frustration to new users (as can be seen by reading the logs of the #squeak irc channel). Andrew Black reflected on this a while back when he said of the experience of getting novices into Squeak: "My greatest frustrations in writing the [SBE] book were the following. First, that I didn't know what I could assume was in the image that the reader was using! The "standard" release didn't have most of the development tools that I needed, and those that were there mostly didn't work. We even had trouble amongst ourselves (the authors) deciding on which version to use, and when to go back and revise a chapter because the image had been revised." If you and the SBE team (and maybe also the Hasso Plattner-Institut people) were to adopt such an image, it would then make sense for the web team to make that image very prominent on the Squeak.org website, so as to guide new users towards a managed experience. Once such an image was prepared and included all the functionality required by the collaborating authors, it could reasonably remain unchanged much longer than the squeak.org image would, and so of much more use to people coming to your tutorial in years to come (as I expect they will, because it's an excellent introduction to development in Squeak and Morphic). I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on this approach. Cheers, Michael

Re: Suggestion for Squeak Website

Brad Fuller — 2008-04-18T00:21:34

Thanks for the message Steve. We are waiting for the release team's final decision on how they want it to be released and waiting for the packaging for each platform. You can still get it from the ftp site, though. brad On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 5:38 PM, Stephan B. Wessels public.gmane.org> wrote:

Suggestion for Squeak Website

Stephan B. Wessels — 2008-04-17T00:38:39

Re: New experience improvement request on #Squeak

Brad Fuller — 2008-04-14T22:39:15

Thanks for the input, Ken. We don't provide a link to seaside and other squeak variations on the squeak.org download page. But, we do have a brief explanation, with links, on the front page. These links take the user right to the appropriate website that has much more info than we can give at the squeak.org site e.g.: ============== * Seaside is a framework for developing sophisticated dynamic web applications by using Continuations dramatically easing the complexity of web application development. * Croquet is an open source software platform for creating deeply collaborative 3D multi-user online applications. It features a network architecture that supports communication, collaboration, resource sharing, and synchronous computation among multiple users. * Sophie is a digital media assembly tool to combine images, text, video, and audio into a single multimedia document such as slideshows, presentations and annotated video ============== Is the request to have something like this on the download page? In addition maybe we need to make it clear on the download page that the basic download is squeak only? On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 2:16 PM, Ken G. Brown public.gmane.org> wrote:

New experience improvement request on #Squeak

Ken G. Brown — 2008-04-14T21:16:46

A new back-to-Smalltalker had requests today on #Squeak for a bit better info for what is included in downloads. So basically before clicking a download, whether it be for a dev, web, croquet or other image, what is included in the download? And of course, as part of improving the new person's experience, all-included QuickStart downloads would be a potential improvement. Ken G. Brown

USB for Squeak

James — 2008-04-14T12:58:54

Re: cannot access tutorial

Brad Fuller — 2008-04-11T14:40:48

Hi Darlene, Matthew suggested the Squeakland website and that's a fantastic resource for teachers. Highly recommended. On your particular error, it might be that your computer is blocking the site (are you using Vista?) I don't know what we can do about that, but I'd like to try to see if we can help So others don't have this problem in the future, what link did you take that gave you the error? thanks and welcome to Squeak! brad On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 4:58 PM, darlene trevathan public.gmane.org> wrote:

Re: cannot access tutorial

Matthew Fulmer — 2008-04-11T07:53:48

www.squeak.org is a web-site mainly intended for computer programmers. If you are looking to teach mathematics using squeak, http://squeakland.org is where you should go to find tutorials, curriculum, sample projects, and the like. First, you should probably subscribe to and send an introductory email to the Squeakland mailing list: http://www.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland