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Re: go to parent directory with backspace

Theodore Kilgore — 2012-05-17T17:01:51


On Thu, 17 May 2012, Alan Corey wrote:


Unless things have changed in a newer version that I have not yet 
installed, this is an old feature. Use Alt-i to make the other panel to 
show the same directory, and you can also use Alt-o to make the other 
panel go to the parent directory of the current one. 

BTW, these two items are well documented.

Theodore Kilgore
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Re: go to parent directory with backspace

Alan Corey — 2012-05-17T16:33:04

I haven't seen that work in Total Commander, but as long as we're on
the subject of comparing, here's one thing I miss: In Total Commander
you can quickly sync up your left and right panes to the same place by
using the drive letter dropdown, even if they were both already on the
same drive to start with.  Is there a quick way in mc to set one pane
to where the other one is?

  Alan

Re: mc Digest, Vol 97, Issue 12

John Kesson — 2012-05-17T01:26:57

    If you configure MC for 'Lynx-like Motion', the left arrow key will take you
back to the parent directory.

Re: go to parent directory with backspace

Slava Zanko — 2012-05-16T19:45:26

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16.05.2012 09:01, Jabba Laci wrote:


Yep, have another better way.

F9 -> Options -> Panel options -> [x] Lynx-like motion
NB: panel listing mode shouldn't be a 'Brief file list'

... and you will navigate as well by "left arrow" (leave directory)
and "right arrow" (enter to directory). An in my opinion, this
behaviour much better, rather than navigation by 'Backspace' key.

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Listing mode "bsize" and "Show Directory Sizes"

Krzysztof Trybowski — 2012-05-16T09:32:49

Hello all,
here's a suggestion: I prefer "bsize" to "size" in my panels, because
directory size means nothing to me.

However, when I press Ctrl-Space on a directory, to calculate the size
of the whole tree that lies under there, I'd still like to have the
size displayed. Currently using "bsize" makes it impossible to use
"Show Directory Sizes".

I'm testing in MC 4.8.3.

go to parent directory with backspace

Jabba Laci — 2012-05-16T06:01:59

Hi,

In Total Commander there is a very handy feature: with backspace you
can quickly jump to the parent directory. It'd be nice if this feature
were added to MC too. If the bottom command line is empty and
backspace is pressed, it could be interpreted this way.

Or is there another shortcut for going back to parent? Pressing Home +
Enter is 2 keys :)

Thanks,

Laszlo
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Re: show current directory in the right panel

Alan Corey — 2012-05-16T03:04:37

I've noticed it seems to store where one window is, the other opens in
the current directory.  I think it also matters how many instances of
mc you've got open and what order they get closed in.  If you've got 4
or 5 open when you shut down it's unpredictable what will happen when
they start up, but until you close one they'll probably all start up
the same that session.

I always cd to /usr before I startx because that's where most stuff
I'm interested in is.  I just tried cd to /usr/lib, made that the
inactive window, closed that mc.  Restart and one window is in /usr
(current directory before x) and the other is in /usr/lib.  The active
side (left or right) starts up the same as I left it.  But it only
stores one directory.  This is with 4.7.5.2.

  Alan

Re: disable mouse sort order?

Alan Corey — 2012-05-15T03:28:25

I have "jr" aliased to joe -readonly so I use that as a viewer too.
Besides copying, I save blocks into /tmp a lot.

If fvwm has a keyboard shortcut for changing the focus I haven't found
it.  alt-tab is the same as Microsoft Windows, so it might have worked
in fvwm95 which tried to work like Windows 95.


FVWM has the same virtual desktops, except only one common wallpaper
for all of them.  Down in the bottom right corner of my screenshot is
the pager, this screenshot was of the upper left pane/page/whatever.
I have mine set to 3x3.

fvwm doesn't have distinct desktops like KDE, you can drag things off
of one onto the next.  The screen flips to where you're going when
your mouse cursor gets to the edge as you're dragging.  Edge scroll
and X's virtual desktops get turned off early.  I use  KDE in Linux.

I try to get that organized, I tend to open the same things in the
same places, but then I get looking something up in a man page and hit
the "see also" section at the bottom, so I pop up more rxvt windows
with more man pages to look up what might be closer to what I'm
looking for.  I often don't want to close the original yet, and some
things I can only find by the "see also" sections of other pages.  In
OpenBSD "man write" gets info on the program that writes to somebody
else's terminal, not writing to a file or device which is usually what
I want, and it's not in the "see also" of the first page.  I haven't
learned the section numbers yet.

And I almost always have my reading glasses on.


I guess because I'd like to use the mouse for some things in mc like
selecting a file, but be able to lock out other things like the sort
order and whatever it does in the viewer.  Changing the sort order
borders on dangerous to me because I keep looking for something that's
suddenly off screen.

  Alan

Credit is the root of all evil.  - AB1JX
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Re: show current directory in the right panel

Jabba Laci — 2012-05-14T14:34:53

Hi,

I tested it and it doesn't behave as you describe it. Someone
indicated some bugs about it. I'll wait for the next stable release.

Best wishes,

Laszlo

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Paul Westell <pwestell-lFOhAkx0RCwsA/PxXw9srA< at >public.gmane.org> wrote:
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Re: disable mouse sort order? (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook — 2012-05-13T16:08:04

It would appear that on May 13, Alan Corey did say:


That (to me) is the main reason to use the -d... But then I prefer to use
keyboard shortcuts to switch the focus...


Yup, you organize differently than I do. But if I kept so many open windows
on the same desktop area, then being able to click on the one I want to work
with next without messing up it's content would be a priority for sure.

I on the other hand use multiple virtual desktop areas (workspaces some call em)
to organize my open stuff by project and or category. I configured E17 to
have 12 separate desktop areas. Which I associated with <ctrl>+<Fkey>
combinations. (I did find it necessary to disable E17's "edje bindings" which
wanted to switch desktop areas every time the {expletive deleted} rodent
pointer drifted too close to the edge of the screen.) Each desktop area has
it's own distinctive background image so I can at a glance be sure I'm where I
think I am before opening an application or terminal window.  I dedicate one
area for general web browsing with opera.  another has a terminal window
running my preferred mail client {alpine} Which will on my command use firefox
to open a link. {This way I can easily purge all cookies etc and slam the
browser session closed without disturbing anything opera might have indexed}
In a like manor there is yet another area where I would use firefox to access
my online banking or other secure site where my personal paranoia protocol
requires that I always do: {"purge all" then connect then "purge all" then
"browser close"}. Yet another desktop area is dedicated to any entertainment
be it some game or watching a dvd etc... And there is one reserved for any root
shell and/or package management windows. The rest are for "project du jour".

Inside of each project I might have more than one open window (most sized
nearly to full screen proportions so that on my arms length 17" Sony
flatscreen I can use font sizes that don't require me to find my durned
reading glasses.) But seldom so many that it's inconvenient to use
<alt>+<tab> to scroll to the one I'm looking for.


That sounds to me like it would be a good feature. But if aliasing mc to
the -d option works for you, why bother?

Have a nice day!

Re: disable mouse sort order? (Joe(theWordy)Philbrook)

Alan Corey — 2012-05-13T14:02:42

FreeBSD used to have midc set up driving a script that drove mc after
doing other stuff, so I used that.

Spent over a day using mc -d and no crashes yet. An unexpected benefit
is that now I can copy from mc's viewer instead of having it go
berserk when I click in it.

Well, this is a Dell 24" widescreen monitor which I use at it's native
1920x1080 (HDTV) resolution.  I put a screenshot at
http://ab1jx.webs.com/toys/dell24.gif so people can see why I'd want
to click in a window to shift the focus.  I have it at arm's length
and wear my reading glasses.  I can read the smaller rxvt windows, but
shift +/- (after clicking in them) zooms them up and down.  I can have
them all small then zoom the one I want to work in.

Maybe one approach would be to have the window manager consume the
first mouse click in a window when that mouse click is in an unfocused
window.  I wouldn't be surprised if fvwm can be set to do that, in the
window styles, but I haven't looked into it because I just thought of
it.

  Alan

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Re: disable mouse sort order?

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook — 2012-05-12T14:47:44

It would appear that on May 9, Sébastien Pérot did say:


I didn't realize that quoting a command disables any defined alias...

It's a good thing to know, but for my purposes mcm is easier to type, and
helps me to remember why I aliased mc in the first place. I had actually
considered using "alias mcme=/usr/bin/mc" which would stand for
"mcMouseEnabled", but I decided three keystrokes were enough... ;-7

Re: show current directory in the right panel

Paul Hartman — 2012-05-10T22:40:51

Maybe his "auto save setup" is disabled, and maybe he saved setup
while left side is active.
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Re: FTP cd problems

Tim Johnson — 2012-05-10T21:47:40

* Slava Zanko <slavazanko-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> [120510 10:55]:
  Thank you Slavaz
  and for other macports users there is this
  https://trac.macports.org/wiki/howto/InstallingOlderPort

Re: FTP cd problems

Slava Zanko — 2012-05-10T18:41:58

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09.05.2012 21:36, Tim Johnson wrote:


Your trouble looks like https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2800.

This bug have a solution and will be fixed ASAP.

Sorry for inconsistence.

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re: show current directory in the right panel

Paul Westell — 2012-05-10T15:09:03

Laszlo

Each of the many versions I've had (so far) has started me on the side which 
was "active" when I last exited;

Exit mc from an active left side, => begin the next session in the left pane.
Exit from the right starts on the right.

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Re: show current directory in the right panel

Andrew Borodin — 2012-05-10T04:22:45

I hope this was fixed:
https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2783
https://www.midnight-commander.org/ticket/2805

You have to wait for the next release or build mc yourself from git repo.

Re: disable mouse sort order?

Sébastien Pérot — 2012-05-09T20:51:25

Or instead of mcm, 'mc' (quotes included) for an unaliased mc command.
Works both in bash and tcsh.

Hope this helps.

show current directory in the right panel

Jabba Laci — 2012-05-09T20:43:20

Hi,

I upgraded my mc from source to 4.8.1.3 and it behaves a bit
differently. When I open mc from a directory, this current directory
is shown in the left panel. Since previous versions opened the current
folder on the right side, it feels awkward now. I always focus on the
right side :)

How can I change this behaviour?

Thanks,

Laszlo
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Re: FTP cd problems

Tim Johnson — 2012-05-09T18:36:53

* Tim Johnson <tim-KIKgqaHk2j7by3iVrkZq2A< at >public.gmane.org> [120508 16:40]:
  I rolled back to 4.8.0_0+slang2 and FTP works again, as far as I
  can see with some experimentation. I hope that the developers are
  following this thread.

re: disable mouse sort order?

Joe(theWordy)Philbrook — 2012-05-09T16:01:04

It would appear that on May 8, Alan Corey did say:


Which is exactly why I suggested putting:

alias mc="mc -d"
alias mcm=/usr/bin/mc

in the shell initialization file (in my case ~/.bashrc)
 

Wow, that many on screen at once? I think you must either have a really big
monitor, or very good eyesight... 


When kde4 happened I ran into the arms of enlightenment. I use both e16 AND
e17 depending on my mood. Neither of them feel like they want to run my
whole life. Personally I like to access my "menu" with a keyboard shortcut.
But both e16 and e17 by default pop the menu upon clocking on the "root
window" {ummnn by root window I presume your talking about whatever it is
that displays the "wallpaper/background image" when there aren't any
application level windows in the way... Right?}   


I don't know tcsh, so I don't know what it's equivalent of the ~/.bashrc
is. But I'm betting you do. So of course that is where I'd recommend you put
something like those alias lines {above},,,


Absolutely! My pre-vista windows xp installations have an port of actual mc,
{albeit an older version available at: http://www.siegward-jaekel.de/mc.zip }
in them. (runs in a dosbox).
{More details of the port at: http://www.siegward-jaekel.de/mc-gb.html }

Since that wasn't vista compatible I went with something called the FAR file
manager for my laptops vista installation. ( for more details on that see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FAR_Manager )

It also runs in a dosbox and is so much like mc that I sometimes forget I'm
using something else until I try to use my beloved arrow-navigation, which
I haven't been able to enable with FAR. {sigh} But since I only go there (to
ANY "Windows™ environment that is) occasionally, it works well enough for me.

Have a good one ;-7