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[gsc] conversation continues

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-22T18:54:50

Today at 2 p.m, then Friday at 2 p.m.

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Re: [gsc] conversation continues

Dipl.Ing. Kurt Diebner — 2012-05-21T20:10:56

Man, you are sharp... why you think i wrote '..or other reason?'

Re: [gsc] conversation continues

Kevin Wilkerson — 2012-05-21T19:36:06

Well, have you considered the possibility that you could be in his email
killfile?


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Re: [gsc] conversation continues

onea — 2012-05-21T18:44:14

Jim,

I had sent you mey pubkey 10 days ago..never heard back from you.
Overlooked? Or other reason?

Best
Yuri

[gsc] conversation continues

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-21T18:22:05

The conversation on agorism and free market money continues
today at 2 p.m. central (GMT-5) for two hours.

Mumble server config available on request.

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Re: [gsc] Welcome to the Hotel California

Kevin Wilkerson — 2012-05-21T04:41:54

"A spokesman for Schumer said Norquist’s statement merely underscored
how out of touch extreme conservatives are with middle-class Americans."

LOL!  Schumer's proposal merely underscores how completely out of touch
beltway lawmakers are with reality.  Easy to see why Congress has
roughly a 90% disapproval rating (in the US; it's probably higher abroad).

Apropos of the song, "What a nice surprise were her alibis."



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[gsc] Welcome to the Hotel California

Patrick Chkoreff — 2012-05-20T02:39:05

http://bit.ly/JZeZlZ


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Re: [gsc] Jokes apart: govt changing baby diaper

Kevin Wilkerson — 2012-05-18T21:02:33

Sure gives new meaning to the phrase "nanny state."

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[gsc] Jokes apart: govt changing baby diaper

Rayservers Blog Admin — 2012-05-18T20:35:03

I used to sarcastically talk about how UK PLC's Parliament squabbles about diaper
changes... real life imitating sarcasm:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9273559/No-10-guide-to-changing-nappies-and-baby-talk.html

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Re: [gsc] Oil Reserves for Struggling Families

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-18T20:06:54


Or even "Get thee behind me." =grin=

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Re: [gsc] Oil Reserves for Struggling Families

Rayservers Blog Admin — 2012-05-18T20:00:14

http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$INDU:$GOLD&p=D&yr=3&mn=0&dy=0&id=p08896619708

Gold calling DOW, come down to me.

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Re: [gsc] Oil Reserves for Struggling Families

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-18T19:20:52

The Dow is down about a thousand points in the last 12 trading sessions.

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[gsc] Oil Reserves for Struggling Families

Rayservers Blog Admin — 2012-05-18T19:17:19

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/g8/9273371/G8-summit-David-Cameron-to-hold-talks-with-Barack-Obama-about-tapping-into-emergency-oil-reserves.html

The floodgates are opening. Prepare to watch those markets drop like pancakes!


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[gsc] conversation continues

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-18T18:54:18

Today at 2 p.m. (six minutes from now) central time (GMT-5).

The conversation on agorism and free market money.

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[gsc] TSA Agents Conduct ‘Full Monty’ Pat-Down On Henry Kissinger

Kevin Wilkerson — 2012-05-16T19:45:48

As a convicted war criminal, Kissinger could arguably be considered a
potentially dangerous individual meriting a security pat-down.  But
alas, it appears the TSA drones were merely victimizing some old man in
a wheelchair without any clue who he was:

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/tsa-agents-conduct-full-monty-pat-down-on-henry-kissinger/


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[gsc] a listing

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-17T04:16:21

A friend sent this listing.

Thomas Greco, master monetary theorist and practitioner, wrote _The
End of Money and the Future of Civilization_. He calls for a
<a
href="http://beyondmoney.net/excerpts/chapter-17-complete-web-based-trading-platform/">web-based
credit clearing system with four essential attributes.</a>
I hope Greco's design criteria can also influence this project's
development.

I just finished a maniacal three-week web search for such systems. My
short list follows.

(This is adapted from my blog post,  <a
href="http://andrewdurham.com/2012/02/money-without-debt/">money
without debt</a>. I'm hoping there's at least one or two here you
don't already know about :)  )

---
<a href="http://www.ces.org.za/">Community Exchange System</a>. CES is
international, free, simple, compatible with paper systems,
deceptively lo-fi and super cool. Very close to what the
aforementioned godfather of new money calls for

Other worthy systems:
<a href="http://payswarm.com/">payswarm.com</a> web standards-based,
frictionless, wildly adaptable
<a href="http://picomoney.com/">picomoney.com</a> clever, based on
<a href="http://opentransact.org">opentransact.org</a> which is
similar to payswarm
<a href="http://cyclos.org/">cyclos.org</a> open source software to
run your own bank, complete with free hosting; soul boggling!
<a href="http://ripplepay.com/">ripplepay.com</a> solves LETS
accountability concerns, unfortunately asocial
<a href="http://e-flux.com/timebank">e-flux.com/timebank</a> hip and simple
<a href="http://friendlyfavors.org/">friendlyfavors.org</a> 2nd
largest after CES, most social, clever, and a bit complicated
<a href="http://johnturmel.com/uniset.htm">johnturmel.com/uniset.htm</a>
very simple, start alone now
<a
href="http://www.personocratia.com/en/documents/game-full-document.pdf">JEU/GAME</a>
not web but paper-based, very elegant, semi-private, decentralized
accounting, compatible with CES, best for when the lights go out.

CES is the most accessible, practical, and mature. Others, like
payswarm and opentransact, have much greater potential. Open source
money has finally gotten legs, wings... and teeth.

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[gsc] Bill H

pintle — 2012-05-16T18:42:39

[Sentiment out there towards gold/silver/shares is really awfull.
Astounding, at this point in the game.]

In the meantime we have Bill H to put this train wreck in perspective…

Preventing the "Ultimate"Bank Run.

To all; I titled this piece "preventing the ultimate bank run" because
it is exactly what is being done every single day. Taking a step back,
2007 to present has been all about preventing actual AND virtual bank
runs. "Actual" being lines of human beings and "virtual" being
electronic withdrawals. All actions taken in 2007 and since then,
whatever they were named, were all about sustaining "confidence" in the
banking system. If you remember, many sovereign governments stepped up
to the plate in 2008 and '09 and actually "guaranteed" 100% of deposits.
A "run" had to be avoided at ALL costs.

Oddly enough though, the implementation of ZIRP (zero interest rate
policy) was short sighted and worked against "preventing a run".
Depositors have had less and less incentive to leave balances in the
banks because their returns were approaching zero. Not only were hard
asset prices rising because of currency debasement, savers were being
pushed to look for alternatives. SOME chose hard assets which over time
has added to the rising prices, NOT what the policy makers desired. As a
side note, banks (JP Morgan's recent loss as evidence) have been starved
for yield by ZIRP and done some things that would have been laughed at
or sent to jail for in years past.

For the last 2-3 years, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian banks
have watched as deposits slowly exited. In the case of Greece, their
banks have very little cushion left to fulfill withdrawals and as
history shows, these events grow and feed on "themselves". Obviously, a
bank run anywhere in the world with current confidence and sentiment as
shaky as it is could be disastrous. But, this type of run, whether you
actually see lines or whether it is done electronically, is not the
"ultimate" run. The ultimate bank run will be when investors begin to
panic out of the very bedrock of the global banking system, the U.S. Dollar.

It is absolutely imperative that you understand exactly "what" your
investments in Gold and Silver really are. They are the "anti Dollar" or
in effect the "anti Treasury" security. In reality, when you made your
purchase of precious metal you actually "front ran" the coming bank run.
Think about it, YOU have already panicked out of the Dollar and did so
before the rest of the herd. The old saying is very appropriate here,
"if you are going to panic, do it early because he who panics first
loses the least". Since I know that you understand that fiat currencies
do not hold value and continually drop in purchasing power, I just
wanted to more or less remind you of "why" you purchased precious metals
in the first place.

Sentiment in precious metals is now unlike anything I have seen before
in this bull market. It is exactly where "they" want it to prevent the
"ultimate run". Every news report, every BLS statistic released, every
"market price" that you see or hear is programmed to keep the herd from
moving. In particular, "moving away" from the "banking system". If you
have ever seen a herd of cattle then you can understand how stampedes
(bank runs) happen. What starts out as a "stir" with a few head (or even
just one) can grow and agitate others in the herd to move which then
grows further and further until the entire herd is moving in a frenzy.

The "ultimate bank run" will mathematically happen, the only questions
are when and how fast it happens. The Dollar cannot mathematically
survive as it's issuance is being forced to move exponentially while the
same time the economy cannot sustain yet more debt (Dollar issuance).
This is not my opinion nor anyone's "opinion", this is fact. Do the math
and do the logic (if you have not already) and you will have proof as to
why you must own the precious metals. No matter what price you are
"shown", just know that YOU have already "exited" and be relieved that
you won't be trampled by the herd as they finally figure out what you
already know. The ""goal" is to keep the herd from moving away from the
Dollar, even steadfast precious metal Bulls are questioning their own
logic and getting "scared". Don't let this happen to you, you "panicked
early" and made the logical move and are no longer in danger. "Danger"
is being part and parcel of a panicking herd! Regards and relax, Bill

[It looks like Mises' "crack up" is a fast "Big Bang" deflation, or
there is a fast "Big Bang" deflation right at the end of Mises' "crack
up" when the spike in the quantity of USD stops increasing and reverses.]

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[gsc] conversation Friday

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-16T17:16:27

The conversation on agorism and free market money continues
this Friday at 2 p.m. central time (GMT-5).

I'll be off doing work for the university on Thursday.

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[gsc] NY Times, April 1, 2020

pintle — 2012-05-16T17:05:27

http://www.jsmineset.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/clip_image0028.jpg

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Re: [gsc] When the Moors (Islam) ruled Europe

Patrick Chkoreff — 2012-05-16T15:43:33

Rayservers Blog Admin wrote, On 05/11/2012 02:38 PM:

Wow that looks good.  We'll have to watch that on the big screen
tonight.  :)


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[gsc] conversation continues

Jim Davidson — 2012-05-15T18:56:46

The conversation on agorism and free market money continues
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