gmane.comp.emulators.hercules390.general

Re: Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Gerhard Postpischil — 2008-10-08T00:17:46

I run MVS, and my "superior" tn3270e client doesn't support fixed addresses on connections. Without the device address on the screen you don't like, I couldn't tell whether I can live with the assignments, or whether to power Hercules down and hope for better connections the next time. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What you consider "non-professional" I consider absolutely essential. I don't take umbrage at the slogan, either, because I know that PCs don't think. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT

Re: Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Ivan Warren — 2008-10-07T23:26:30

That's you're take on it ! I don't think the end user cares really ! You shouldn't have to hit the clear key or any AID key for that matter. VM should send the logo upon receiving the unsolicited Device End status indicating the device went from the not-ready to ready status. Issue a 't+cuu' command on the panel. Connect a tn3270 session.. If there is no unsolicited DE, it's a bug. When you connect with a non tn3270 telnet client, the receiving end isn't suppose to adhere to the tn3270 protocol. When you connect using a telnet client (non tn3270), hercules expects to connect it to a 3215 printer/keyboard emulation device. If there are no 3215 console defined/available, you will get this diagnostic message. Only if you defined a 3215/1050 device in the configuration file and defined a 3215 device in your RIO and the version of VM you are using supports that kind of device. If you do that, you will get the mini VM logo (used to be something like this on VM/370 : VM/370 ONLINE. PRESS ENTER KEY). If you don't do all these, it's like connecting a 3215 to the bus & tags, and expecting it's going to work without modifying the UCWs/IOCDS and/or IO Gen. Create an empty herclogo.txt in the same directory where your hercules.cnf resides. Please indicate exactly what is different ! You can put whatever you want. You don't have to put any kind of credit whatsoever ! --Ivan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Jay Maynard — 2008-10-07T23:25:14

No, that's the Hercules slogan. In that environment, it might be a good idea to change the displayed logo to the company's logo, regardless of what you might think about the one Hercules displays by default. Basically, it's a matter of whether or not the guest OS displays anything on the screen. Until then, the Hercules logo will be displayed. This is useful because it contains the device address of the device you've connected to, so you'll know what connection is your console. Because Hercules uses the same port for both 1052/3215 and 3270 sessions, it needs some way to tell which the user wants to use. It does so by attempting to negotiate 3270 mode; if it fails, then the session is used for a 1052 or 3215 device, if one is defined and available. If you've defined a 1052 or 3215 device for the connection to use, you'll get one. You're asking to plug a 3215 into a 3270 port and have it magically work. It didn't on the real mainframe, and it won't in Hercules. Why not? If you don't like it, you know what to change. That's because VM is seeing the device come online and drawing its logo on it. Or else VM has simply not drawn its screen on it for some reason. Not everyone connects their 3270s after the guest OS is IPLed. In some cases - for example, MVS master consoles - the 3270 *must* be connected before IPL. No. It contains useful information. For the real hardware, you know which physical terminal has which hardware address. There is no way to know that outside of the screen you're complaining about in Hercules.

RE: Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Dave Wade — 2008-10-07T23:09:04

The "Free" VM/370 often leaves terminals "disabled" because at some time in the past it took a long time to enable more than a handful.... Its also nice to get a logo when you connect before IPL, again as you may need to do for consoles... Dave Wade G4UGM Illegitimi Non Carborundum

RE: Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Rocky — 2008-10-07T22:07:17

Come on guys The first part of the message may be ok but: HHH HHH My PC thinks it's a MAINFRAME - that's humour, not professionalsm. I see that some people are investigating using Herc as a DR machine. Not sure that endusers would aprreciate.understand that remark. I just read the README.HERCLOGO and that explains a lot: f I can change the screen then the comment about professionsalism is just a matter of opinion and since the user can do what he wants, its not really important.. But I am having other problems with things that are not clear to me, so as a diversion I am in the mood for some nitpicking on something that I understand. Ok - so you've told me how I can change it. Now why do I get it? I don't buy "any connection to a 3270 device from a TN3270 client made while the guest OS does not have the device active." I have thirty two devices defined and they are all enabled. When you get this message; hitting clear brings up the real IBM logo. Which means the device is enabled Either for some reason they are all temporarily disabled which doesn't seem likely or there is a differnt underlying cause.. The latter seems more likely. I noticed that if I try to connect another simple TELNET connection besides the console I get a message that says "NO 1050 or 3215 device enabled". As far as I know that is not strictly adhering to the telnet TN3270 protocol either. I should get a VM logon in line mode. I don't mind the logo message if I never see it, and the fact is, "I should never see it". I had an idea: Since connecting to localhost is a very fast path and the hardware that I am using is also pretty fast I thought that maybe there is an interrupt missing somewhere. Perhaps in the emulation I am using or perhaps on the Hercules. Woops - I just tried a different emulation and the same thing happened. I tried connecting thru the internet using a very roundabout path which is much slower connection and I see that I am actually getting two screens. This happens every time. First I get the screen I am complaining about and then immediately afterwards the regular VM LOGO screen. They come one right after the other with no intervention from the user. Probably the times I see the Hercules screen an interrupt is missing somewhere and I am stuck on the first screen. Clear then brings up the next screen. If the screen is immediately overwritten and no one should see it then whats the point in sending it? Ok - perhaps oterh operating systems need it. I forget that not everybody is using VM. Is there a parameter that says "don't send the first screen"?. Bottom line is that it behaves differently than the real hardware for no apparent valid reason. My workaround for this will be to change the first screen to read. "PRESS CLEAR TO CONTINUE" or somethng like that and hope that it will show up very rarely.. ( I will leave the credits) But a parm not to show the first screen at all would be best. Rocky _____ From: hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org [mailto:hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of sccosel Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 21:19 To: hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org Subject: [hercules-390] Re: Nice screen but unprofessional I agree with Jay. It looks professional enough to me. But, if you don't like it, then by all means, change it! You have the power at your fingertips! Scott --- In hercules-390< at > yahoogroups.com, Jay Maynard ...> wrote: it on guest OS current HERCLOGO Details can http://www.tronguy. net me!) s.com/hercules-390 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: Can not connect console to Hercules

somitcw — 2008-10-07T21:13:45

--- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, "gbalint_escon" ...> wrote: Did you open your Vista firewall. It blocks coming and going. Did you try to connect to 127.0.0.1:3270

Can not connect console to Hercules

gbalint_escon — 2008-10-07T19:21:38

Version 3.05 under Windows Vista I've got a working configuration under SUSE Linux. I've copied that to a Windows PC and started HERCULES, no error messages at all but I can connect the Telnet session to the port 3270. (localhost:3270 or ipaddress:3270) Same with Windows XP. No error in the Windows event log. I have no more idea, any help welcome. George BAlint

Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

sccosel — 2008-10-07T19:18:50

I agree with Jay. It looks professional enough to me. But, if you don't like it, then by all means, change it! You have the power at your fingertips! Scott --- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, Jay Maynard ...> wrote: it on guest OS current HERCLOGO Details can

Re: Nice screen but unprofessional

Jay Maynard — 2008-10-07T19:15:53

I can't speak to why you're seeing it intermittently; you should see it on any connection to a 3270 device from a TN3270 client made while the guest OS does not have the device active. You can customize it by creating a file named herclogo.txt in the current directory, or giving it another name and referring to it with the HERCLOGO configuration statement, environment variable, or panel command. Details can be found in the file README.HERCLOGO in the source distribution. FWIW, I don't see it as any less professional than, say, IBM's logo appearing on a 3492 terminal's screen when it's powered on...

Nice screen but unprofessional

rocsystems — 2008-10-07T19:04:54

I just upgraded to 3.05 - I received the below screen several times during the tn3270 teminal negotiation process. I think the screen is nice and certainly you guys deserve credit. But this is pretty unprofessional. For the sake of professionalism if you want to put in some credits, then how about limiting it to the console during connect or IPL - 1050 or 3215 devices. Every user that logs on does not hve to see this.. I was demonstrating a product of mine to friends and at the same time extolling the virtues of Hercules. It's really a mainframe - not a toy - I told them. Then this screen popped up. They never saw it on a mainframe and all of sudden it looked like a PC and not a mainframe. I was slightly embarresed after telling them it was exactly like a mainframe. No difference - The real deal. Is there any easy way to get rid of this. And why does it pop up intermittantly? I am using the precompiled binaries. Never saw it on 3.04 although there I did sometimes get a blank screen or a screen with that looked like vt100 . Is there a bug in the telnet terminal negotiation. The screen Hercules Version : 3.05 Host name : DIM9200 Host OS : Windows_NT-5 1 Host Architecture : i686 Processors : MP=2 Chanl Subsys : 0 Device number : 0020 Subchannel : 0013 HHH HHH The S/370, ESA/390 and z/Architecture HHH HHH Emulator HHH HHH HHH HHH EEEE RRR CCC U U L EEEE SSS HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH E R R C U U L E S HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH EEE RRR C U U L EEE SS HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH E R R C U U L E S HHH HHH EEEE R R CCC UU LLLL EEEE SSS HHH HHH HHH HHH HHH HHH My PC thinks it's a MAINFRAME Copyright (c) 1999-2007 Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others

Re: Re: Hercule deamon and rc files

Martin Truebner — 2008-10-07T13:58:07

Carlos, I am not realy into Linux- so let me use VM-phrases. So you are running the HERC without the HW-console connected. While I do like this for production-guests in VM (secuser is possible for those that need to look) - but is there any sense in doing so in a single user environment? IOW: does it buy you so much performance-wise that you rather drive blindfolded. I prefer to have at least some indication that something is going on- I don't use the GUI but sure like the screen you get when pressing the ESC key.

Re: Hercule deamon and rc files

carlosrbe — 2008-10-07T13:49:43

--- In hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, Martin Truebner ...> Martin, I start HERC in the same way that you but -d option in Linux is that run in background mode and theorical better performance Carlos wrote:

Re: Hercule deamon and rc files

Martin Truebner — 2008-10-07T13:29:52

Carlos, >> Hercules with -d option but hercule don't read my rc file. << I start HERC with these two cmds in W/XP SET HERCULES_RC=C:\VSE\VSEIPL.RC HERCULES -f C:\VSE\VSE.cnf So- I name the RC file in a SET CMD and then start HERC ponting to my config-file. What is the -d option ment to do?

Hercule deamon and rc files

carlosrbe — 2008-10-07T13:24:14

Hello All, I start Hercules with -d option but hercule don't read my rc file. Any suggestion A+

Re: SHARE Presentations re: Hercules

Ed Jaffe — 2008-10-06T21:46:33

This link should work better in most browsers ... http://www.share.org/ Ed Jaffe SHARE MVS/SCP Project Manager

Re: SHARE Presentations re: Hercules

Ed Jaffe — 2008-10-06T21:42:33

[snip] The conference agenda will be published at http://www.share.org. Preliminary information about the conference is available now. Ed Jaffe SHARE MVS/SCP Project Manager

Re: ... not a compressed dasd file

Ian S. Worthington — 2008-10-06T14:49:21

Hi Volker -- Yes, I'd love to try that. Many thanks, i ------ Original Message ------ Received: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:08:25 AM BST From: Volker Bandke public.gmane.org> To: hercules-390-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org Subject: Re: [hercules-390] ... not a compressed dasd file fine, I you?

Re: ... not a compressed dasd file

Volker Bandke — 2008-10-06T10:08:14

Ian, I am building hercules on my local system using Visual 2008. I do not use the IDE or so, just a .bat script. Would it help if I sent that to you?

loop in ipl process

Gerard Merigot — 2008-10-06T08:41:12

Hello group, at the beginning of ipl of z/os 1.8 on my windows xp sp3 I enter in bad loop with an adressing exception with mvcl instruction (in the log). I have already ipl this system a few month ago and it was working. The modification on my windows is the installation of service pack 3 I don't know if this is the reason. These run were execute with the hercules 3.04. I have a second laptop with vista sp1 installed . I setup hercules 3.05 . IPLing with the same z/os system I enter also in this terrible loop Here under my configuration file and the log part showing the problem. Thanks in advance for your help Best regards LOG EXTRAC 08:54:46.906 ******** HHC046I Acceptance of PGMPRDOS LICENSED setting verified 08:54:46.906 ******** Preferred executable files directory = D:/zos17/hercules_3_4_0/ 08:54:46.921 Hercules started; process-id=00000D8C 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Hercules Version 3.04 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 (c)Copyright 1999-2006 by Roger Bowler, Jan Jaeger, and others 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Built on Feb 22 2006 at 23:08:46 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Build information: 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Win32 (MSVC) build 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Modes: S/370 ESA/390 z/Arch 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Max CPU Engines: 8 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Using fthreads instead of pthreads 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 With Dynamic loading support 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Loadable module default base directory is . 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Using shared libraries 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 HTTP Server support 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 No SIGABEND handler 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Machine dependent assists: cmpxchg1 cmpxchg4 cmpxchg8 fetch_dw store_dw 08:54:47.109 00000D8C 08:54:47 Running on GMERIGOT Windows_NT-5.1 i686 MP=2 08:54:47.125 00000D8C Crypto module loaded (c) Copyright Bernard van der Helm, 2003-2005 08:54:47.125 00000D8C HHCCF065I Hercules: tid=00000F94, pid=3468, pgid=3468, priority=0 08:54:47..140 00000D8C HHCTE001I Console connection thread started: tid=000007D0, pid=3468 08:54:47.140 00000D8C HHCDA020I d:/zos17/zos180/PTFZ81.5B41 cyls=10017 heads=15 tracks=150255 trklen=56832 08:54:47.171 00000D8C HHCTE003I Waiting for console connection on port 3270 08:54:47.187 00000D8C HHCDA020I d:/zos17/zos180/PTFZ82.5B42 cyls=10017 heads=15 tracks=150255 trklen=56832 08:54:47.250 00000D8C HHCDA020I d:/zos17/zos180/PTFZ83.5B43 cyls=10017 heads=15 tracks=150255 . . 08:54:47.734 00000D8C HHCDA020I d:/zos17/User_Dasds/DATA00.5B59 cyls=3339 heads=15 tracks=50085 trklen=56832 08:54:47.750 00000D8C 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCCF039W PGMPRDOS LICENSED specified. 08:54:47.750 00000D8C Licensed program product operating systems are enabled. 08:54:47.750 00000D8C You are responsible for meeting all conditions of your 08:54:47.750 00000D8C software license. 08:54:47.750 00000D8C 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCCF069I Run-options enabled for this run: 08:54:47.750 00000D8C NUMCPU: 1 08:54:47.750 00000D8C ASN-and-LX-reuse: DISabled 08:54:47.750 00000D8C DIAG8CMD: DISabled 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCCP002I CPU0000 thread started: tid=00000E34, pid=3468, priority=15 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCCP003I CPU0000 architecture mode z/Arch 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCTT002I Timer thread started: tid=0000081C, pid=3468, priority=-20 08:54:47.750 00000D8C HHCDG001I dyngui.dll initiated 08:55:07.375 00000D8C HHCTE009I Client 192.168.1.20 connected to 3270 device 0CA0 08:55:13.937 00000D8C HHCTE009I Client 192.168.1.20 connected to 3270 device 0CA1 08:55:25.265 00000D8C loadparm 5B4400M1 08:55:25.265 00000D8C HHCPN051I LOADPARM=5B4400M1 08:55:25.500 00000D8C ipl 5B44 08:55:25.500 00000D8C HHCCD002I Writer thread 1 started: tid=0000072C, pid=3468 08:55:25.500 00000D8C HHCCP007I CPU0000 architecture mode set to ESA/390 08:55:25.500 00000D8C HHCCD003I Garbage collector thread started: tid=00000A68, pid=3468 08:55:25.578 00000D8C CPU0000: SIGP Unassigned (14) CPU0000, PARM 7FFFFFFF: CC 1 STATUS 00000002 08:55:35.609 00000D8C HHCCD002I Writer thread 2 started: tid=00000840, pid=3468 08:56:57.453 00000D8C HHCCP014I CPU0000: Addressing exception CODE=0005 ILC=2 08:56:57.468 00000D8C PSW=04080000 810106D6 INST=0E24 MVCL 2,4 08:56:57.468 00000D8C V:00003000: Translation exception 0005 08:56:57.468 00000D8C V:00003000: Translation exception 0005 08:56:57.468 00000D8C GR00=01010884 GR01=00000800 GR02=00003000 GR03=00001000 08:56:57.468 00000D8C GR04=00003000 GR05=00001000 GR06=01000000 GR07=0000F000 08:56:57.468 00000D8C GR08=0100C000 GR09=00000258 GR10=00000400 GR11=00000000 08:56:57.468 00000D8C GR12=01010000 GR13=010107A0 GR14=01010884 GR15=00000000 08:56:57.484 00000D8C CR00=00B00000 CR01=0000603F CR02=00000000 CR03=00000000 08:56:57.484 00000D8C CR04=00000000 CR05=00000000 CR06=00000000 CR07=00000000 08:56:57.484 00000D8C CR08=00000000 CR09=00000000 CR10=00000000 CR11=00000000 08:56:57.484 00000D8C CR12=00000000 CR13=00000000 CR14=00000000 CR15=00000000. CONFIG EXTRAC ARCHMODE z/Arch CNSLPORT 3270 CPUMODEL 2094 CPUSERIAL 000611 CPUVERID FD ECPSVM NO LOADPARM 5B4400M1 LPARNAME VAUDRZ9A MAINSIZE 1024 NUMCPU 1 OSTAILOR Z/OS PANRATE 50 PGMPRDOS LICENSED SHCMDOPT NODIAG8 SYSEPOCH 1900 TZOFFSET +0200 YROFFSET 0 HERCPRIO 0 TODPRIO -20 DEVPRIO 8 CPUPRIO 15 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: who can tell me how to unsubscribe this group

Mike Schwab — 2008-10-06T03:24:41

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