http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/917 <pre>* Present + Norbert, Thorsten, Stephan, David, Eike, Michael M, Andras, Joel, Ahmad, Kendy, Cedric, Bjoern, Lionel, Christian, Caolan, Tsahi, Petr * Completed Action Items + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) + look into clipart issues (Caolan) + switch on on-line update for 4.0.3 (Kendy) + look into Gnome-VFS / URI mangling / path issues (Michael) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64311 [ fix back-ported to -4-0 thanks to Fridrich ] + mail the ux-advise list + Caolan with button order feedback (Astron) + connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details for ext'n devs (Thorsten) + get status of coretext in 4.1 (Tor, Abdulmajid, Khaled) + look at crash-on-start on Mac (Stephan / David) * Pending Action Items + look at gradient issues (Michael) + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron) + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + buy gamer boxes, and ship them to people's homes + alternatives too expensive / slow throughput AI:+ buy fast Windows build hardware (Norbert, Thorsten, Michael) + Mac hardware is up &amp; installed &amp; running 24/7 AI:+ setup Mac hardware tinderbox slave (Norbert) + find a good public ? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten) + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus) + revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.4 rc1 - May 27th - ~two weeks out + 4.1 - feature-freeze: May 20th **** Feature Freeze Monday **** + build on Tuesday pre-tagging + experience of Alpha1 not so wonderful, but everything should be fixed now. + 4.1 MABs: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 AI:+ Can't progress through the database wizard (Caolan) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62937 AI:+ Mac: open/save of odt broken (Caolan) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58978 + 4.1 pending / watch features / issues + gallery building (Michael) AI:+ disable gallery building on Mac (Norbert) + wiki page needs updating with features: + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1 + uno type database re-work (Stephan) + pushed it just now: size much smaller, and callgrind looks sensible. + IDL compiler generates the old format, so the SDK will still generate the old format for extensions + during the build - we generate new format .rdbs + can read old &amp; new formats. + query about updating doxygen (Norbert) + still using autodoc internally, but Michael S. has taught doxygen about our IDL format, waiting on a release there. + coretext (Tor/Khaled) + selection problems on Mac for now + looks decent, but has selection / font-highlighting problems + overall - big improvement, not obviously broken, fixes a number of Arabic issues. AI:+ enable it for 4.1 betas and see how we go (Norbert) * Hamburg hack-fest (Thorsten) + Reminder to book travel + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Hackfest/Hamburg2013 + it's going to be good. * QA update (Joel) + Need_Advice Bugs + These bugs seem to absolutely need developer input or some special knowledge/setup to move forward. + We will be careful about using this whiteboard status but hope that once it gets the status, it can be triaged quickly by a developer + Currently only 2 bugs there, probably will increase as we triage but in general should stay quite low + http://tinyurl.com/ce6d8km + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + rather more bugs opened than closed +190 -147 + bug count climbing a bit: + should start falling next week - with more time from Joel + apparent decline in quality of bug reports + cutting edge people upgraded to 4.0 immediately, and they filed good bugs; whereas more and more are 'NEEDINFO' due to lack of necessary information + Printer Settings + Seems like a few things are broken here, individually probably not major bugs but combined might be needed to escalate fixing it. + fdo#36568 - ignore automatically inserted blank pages, ignored + fdo#61186 - several settings not passed on to printer if set in Printer Settings AI:+ printing options meta-bug creation (Joel) + great work from Florian wrt. See-Also markup. + working on stats for March / April + working on an bugs.freedesktop.org navigation video (Joel) + what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ... + http://tinyurl.com/atrr7xr * Security issues (Michael) + Avoiding the circus [!] + particularly at hot times: SUSE 4.0 + 4.1 freeze + RHEL6 etc. + issues with secure / signed updates on Windows etc. * UX input (Astron) + restoring button ordering until we can fix it globally ? + talking about x/y/z button-ordering, not ok/cancel button ordering + only one of these - the un-saved changes dialog + a much smaller issue than originally thought =&gt; leave in platform-adapted state for now. * gerrit mails decision (Bjoern / Kendy) + sum up the stuff on the mailing list; two positions: + more mails with comments in, or+ want to see less + both do-able, with external list, with reply-to to the dev list and a digest -&gt; main list. + people unhappy with that (Norbert, Thorsten) + concern with 1/2 of the thread being on another list (Norbert) + concerned wrt. the amount of people merging the patches (Kendy) + moving it to a separate list, motivate people even less to merge stuff. + counter-productive if sending too much mail to the list (Bjoern) + lots of participants 'just filter it away as spam' + ask master committers to review other people's patches + important learning opportunities from patches + discussion (Norbert) + sad to miss that on the list. + what should go to what list vs. the main list ? + playing with mail feature of gerrit (Thorsten) + can create fire-hose to your own liking etc. + everyone can do what he/she prefers + ideally - some reduced amount to the dev-list: a digest of initial patch submissions + if people need more: have wiki instructions to configure how to do more. + eager to have a digest for the dev-list (Bjoern) + otherwise happy with Thorsten's proposal. + on launchpad - becoming a member of the libo pkg team + gets all Launchpad mail wrt. LibreOffice + they immediately complain. + digests are read-only, don't foster communication &amp; discussion (Norbert) + hard to discuss things that way + problem with initial fire-hose of comments (Michael) + some of these (no-value comments) could have been filtered out (Norbert) + Proposed compromise: (decide on it next time) + build a daily digest of submitted patches -&gt; dev list + with commit messages, authors, links etc. + turn other notifications off + better document the gerrit mail / notification settings + encourage people who want to see everything to do that. + find out how many subscribers on the dev list (Kendy) + 598 full mails and 186 digest guys * GSOC update (Cedric) + we have 13 slots as of now + 11 excellent ones, and two weaker selected. + next week: trying to help spread the mentoring load + no notification of students until Google announce that + May 22nd - de-duplication + May 27th - students will know. * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) + announce new certifications, but first need to get approval from individuals as to whether they want to be. AI:+ follow up invitations (Cert. team) * Better communication / hangouts / webcams (Michael) + punt to next time ... * Open 4.1 MAB + 4 (of 17) older 3/16 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB + 18 (of 129) older 17/126 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109 14% 13% 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15% 18% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 71 (of 229) older 72/228 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216 31% 32% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 35 (of 100) older 36/100 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 302(+1) bugs open of 1530(+17) total * ~Component count net * Writer - 97 (+4) Spreadsheet - 33 (-1) Presentation - 30 (-1) Libreoffice - 26 (-2) Database - 22 (+0) Crashes - 22 (+0) Drawing - 19 (+1) Borders - 14 (+0) BASIC - 4 (+1) Migration - 3 (+0) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-05-16T15:26:12 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/916 <pre>Just a quick update on the Marketing team brochure-types push. There are now "workspace wiki pages" for each brochure-types that we will work on. You can find these on the brochure wiki page where the types as well as their links to the workspace may be found.[1] The design of the "community brochure template" has been tweaked by Mattias (member of the design team). The white logo is better centered and the bottom green bar has now been put in the frame and locked into place. This will make it easier to use when inputting text. You may download the new Community template version A4 and USLtr version on the wiki. The links to the new version may be found on the wiki brochure-types page[1] Feel free to join us on the marketing list if you wish to contribute to the writing of any of the brochure-types on the list. Native Language Teams: You can easily contribute to the writing of any of the brochure-types by discussing it with your nl marketing teams and sending in your suggestions to the marketing list. It would be nice to hear from any of the larger native language groups. We need input from all groups. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes </pre> Marc Paré 2013-05-10T14:59:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/915 <pre>* Present + Norbert, Andras, Joel, Kohei, Michael M, Petr, David, Tibby, Markus, Caolan, Kendy, Lionel, Tsahi * Completed Action Items + add a suggestion to do a single bug triage to the GSOC requirements (Fridrich) + status of Mac / coretext in 4.1 (Tor, Abdulmajid) [ more fixing required for Arabic &amp; font-fallback also some pixel jitter while typing ] * Pending Action Items + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) [ work in progress, thanks to David for help ] + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron) + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + [ ongoing expense management issues ] + find a good public? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten) + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus) + connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details for ext'n devs (Thorsten) + revive writer default templates discussion - pwrt. incremental change (Ahmad) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.3 rc3 - released today ... + thanks to mst for the case sensitivity fix. + 4.0.4 rc1 - May 27th - ~two weeks out. AI:+ switch on-line update on (Kendy) + 4.1 - feature-freeze: ~one week out: May 20th + 4.1 Alpha 1 status + build failed a bit, working on Windows + Linux build should be fine + Mac builds fine, but fails on startup in some UNO type bits AI:+ take a look at it (Stephan / David) + missing rc / rdb files or somesuch ? + 4.1 pending / watch features / issues + wiki page needs updating with features: + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/4.1 + gallery building (Michael) + uno type database re-work (Stephan) * Linux / Samba issue - missing gnome-vfs + turned off in configure by default to help building + gio not working there ... + could be that file-picker and .desktop has a URL flag AI:+ look into URI mangling / path issues (Michael) https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64311 * QA update (Joel) + manpower reduced + Joel translating the yearly report + some students doing finals + 3100+ bugs triaged in last ~100 days + http://joelmadero.wordpress.com/ + under a very specific circumstance corrupting docx on export + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=64232 + Features that never have worked + if we find these, but they've never worked, what to do ? + should we disable these until they are fixed ? + or get regression priority ? + tag as 'regression' even if vs. OO.o + option to make experimental feature (cf. macros) + bring up individually at the ESC. + Warnings During upgrade about Extensions ? (Robinson) + impossible to know what APIs are used by an extension =&gt; can't do a really good job at this - of detecting issues. + really need to phone home during upgrade to determine author annotated compatibility - needs coding &amp; a volunteer + in the meantime hope that during 4.x extension migration is much smoother (Markus) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + rather more bugs opened than closed +155 -112 + what do with many-comment many-cc bugs that are growing ... * UX input (Astron) + not much to report. * UI / dialog re-work (Caolan) + 211 dialogs done (of 500?) + http://blogs.linux.ie/caolan/2013/05/01/converting-libreoffice-dialogs-to-ui-format-200-conversions-milestone/ + perhaps 1/3 of the way through in terms of work + introduced a MessageBox dialog + honours the desktop theme for button-ordering + should disable native button ordering until we can do it in every dialog (Astron) AI:+ mail the ux-advise list + Caolan with feedback (Astron) * gerrit mails decision (Kendy) + postpone discussion pending Bjoern's presence * GSOC update (Markus) + both Cedric &amp; Fridrich missing in action. + we have 13 slots as of now, and some excellent proposals. + no notification of students until Google announce that + by May 27th - students will know. * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) AI:+ announce new certifications (Kendy - poke Italo ?) * Open 4.1 MAB + 3 (of 16) older 3/16 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB + 17 (of 126) older 18/125 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 13% 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15% 18% 18% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 72 (of 228) older 75/226 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216 32% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 36 (of 100) older 30/90 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72 + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 301(+2) bugs open of 1513(+18) total * ~Component count net * Writer - 93 (+0) Spreadsheet - 34 (+2) Presentation - 31 (+2) Libreoffice - 28 (-1) Database - 22 (-1) Crashes - 22 (+2) Drawing - 18 (+0) Borders - 14 (+0) Migration - 3 (+0) BASIC - 3 (+0) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-05-09T16:00:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/912 <pre> I have created a "TDF/LibreOffice Brochure Workspace" wiki page[1]. We can use it to track the work done on the content and text of the different brochure types as we complete them. Feel free to add any more types should you think we are missing any. I have also added the NL (native language) navigation bar. Feel free to get you own teams working on any of the text and you can help us out by submitting your version of text on the Marketing list for translation/localization in EN OR discuss any of the brochure-types with your nl marketing teams and have someone from your nl marketing team relay back any suggestions in EN to this list. Also note that Italo and Charles will have a LARGE say as to what will appear in some (if not all) of the brochures. For those of you who are not familiar with our Marketing Team structure, Italo and Charles are our lead marketing team members -- they share responsibilities for all that is marketing of the project. The discussions will take place on the Marketing list. Cheers, Marc [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/brochuretypes </pre> Marc Paré 2013-05-06T17:27:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/911 <pre> We have completed the template design of the official and community brochures. Thanks to all of the people who participated in creating these on the design list. We can now start working on content for these brochures. There is a list of "brochure-types" on one of our discussions. If you feel like you are able to help out with content for any brochure-type, feel free to start a thread to develop the content. We should be able to compose content for most of the brochure-types and then offer these to our native language teams for them to work on. We will need to prepare 4 brochures for each brochure-types (1-official A4 version; 1-official USLtr version; 1-community A4 version; 1-community USLtr version). Have fun participating on the content creation. ==================== OFFICIAL BROCHURE ==================== The official version is really for off-set printers and the design notes on the centre panel should really be followed (the design font and colors are listed) The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-OfficialBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt ==================== ==================== ==================== COMMUNITY BROCHURE ==================== The community version is really for conferences, LUG meetings, small print runs on business/home printers, etc. The community version makes use of the community logo (it does NOT have the subline "The Document Foundation". It is also designed to be as "ink-friendly" as possible without compromising the look and feel of a LibreOffice brochure. The files can be found here: [1] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-A4.odt [2] https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOfficeV.4.0.x-CommunityBrochureTemplate-USLtr.odt ==================== ==================== Cheers, Marc [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentation.libreoffice.marketing/7893 </pre> Marc Paré 2013-05-04T14:53:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/910 <pre>Dear Community, The Document Foundation is pleased to announce the third release candidate of our upcoming LibreOffice 4.0.3. This will be the third in a series of frequent updates to our feature-packed 4.0 branch. Please be aware that LibreOffice 4.0.3 RC3 is not ready for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 4.0.2 for that. The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test - or checkout our manual test database for starting right away - http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/ For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_Localization_Guide or help with funding our operations: http://donate.libreoffice.org/ Release candidate 2 was built and is available via http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ - but is superseded by RC3 due to a showstopper found. The list of issues and fixed bugs for 4.0.3 RC2 is in our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.3/RC2 Whereas the list of known issues and fixed bugs with 4.0.3 RC3 is available from here: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/4.0.3/RC3 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. Yours, The Document Foundation Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint </pre> Thorsten Behrens 2013-05-04T12:53:24 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/909 <pre>Hello, at the moment, we are looking for volunteers who could help moderate this mailing list. If you are interested, the only requirement is that you are subscribed to the list yourself and read its mails in a somehow timely manner, but that's about it. Moderation means dealing with e-mails that do not automatically make it to the list, which you then manually forward, or reject. This happens either when an e-mail comes from an unknown sender, e.g. when a project member uses a different address for posting. It also occurs when someone unexperienced writes to the list, thinking it's a private account, but in fact it's a public list. You'll receive the message to be moderated via e-mail, which you then can either "moderate through", or reject. Is someone interested in joining our efforts? It'd be much appreciated - just drop me an email (please also copy me directly, and not only the list), then I'm happy to add you to the list of moderators. Thanks! Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-05-04T11:30:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/907 <pre>* Present: + Norbert, Ahmed, Eike, Joel, David, Kendy, Lionel, Markus, Michael M, Norbert, Thorsten, Cedric, Ellie, Caolan, Petr * Completed Action Items + back-track and leave the existing svlibrary macro (Michael) + encourage faenza guys to work on new flat icon project (Astron/Bjoern) * Pending Action Items + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) + double check Lionel's list-box / API change (Eike) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron) + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + [ ongoing expense management issues ] + add a suggestion to do a single bug triage to the GSOC requirements (Fridrich) + find a good public? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten) + kill calc / inherited number formatting for 4.1 (Markus) * QA update (Joel) + working on analysing minor release bugs (Joel) + 50% of issues were not minor release bugs Ubuntu released with 4.0.2.2 - and can't go and update the version every. + everyone reports against the ver. they're using. + some soul searching as to how to do better + issues with extensions + hard for QA to tell if the bugs are ours or not + if the change is a regression, and the reason is not well-known: documented API change / stlport issue etc. + is the bug suitably concrete / filed by an ext'n developer / expert =&gt; is our bug, leave it open + otherwise close: not-our-bug + is there any way to reliably contact extension authors (Thorsten) + no ! and 90 bugs vs. ext'ns that are not ours (Joel) AI:+ connect Joel with Andreas to get contact details (Thorsten) + nice mockups from Robinson for better version info: + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Mockup-of-repro-table.png + Tollef - suggested creating a new bugzilla (on fdo?) + under very early stage consideration + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + several more bugs opened than closed +152 -123 * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline: June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.3 rc2 status + one potential blocker - search always case sensitive + fixed already; but a regression since 4.0.3 + thus more serious than a normal issue + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63779 + do tag now &amp; start builds again + approval from Caolan, Fridrich, Norbert =&gt; do 4.0.3rc3 + stick with a similar timeline ?, slip 2 days + 4.1 - feature-freeze: ~two weeks out: May 20th + Alpha 1 from Monday(ish) that looks good of 4.1 + to do build / packaging testing / etc. * UX input + missing a UX guy. * New committer added + Khaled Hosney - Harfbuzz hero most welcome. * GSOC update (Cedric) + need to start rating student proposals *now* we need an answer for how many amazing vs. acceptable proposals we have to bid for a dual slot count on Monday. + last year students could do up-to-twenty applications, this year only five =&gt; few fishing applications, more real. + then later we go through a further ranking process - to select the best students + May 27th - they'll know. * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) + next batch of developers for certification + no objections + to be announced later. * KACST update (Ahmad) + RTL issues are looking good + improving writer default templates idea: + asked design list for a better Writer default template (Cedric) AI:+ need to review that discussion - and/or ask for incremental changes (Ahmad) + working this for 4.1 + go for it &amp; manage the reaction. + coretext work AI:+ ask for status for 4.1 etc. (Tor, Abdulmajid) + training in .cz in June. * Open 4.1 MAB / regressions + 3 (of 16) older 3/14 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB / regressions + 18 (of 125) older 24/122 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 14% 20% 19% 17% 16% 15% 18% 18% 16% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 75 (of 226) older 75/225 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216 78/217 33% 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 30 (of 90) older 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72 + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 299(-15) bugs open of 1495(+16) total * ~Component count net * + Writer - 93 (-11) + Spreadsheet - 32 (-2) + LibreOffice - 29 (+1) + Presentation - 29 (-2) + Database - 23 (-1) + Crashes - 20 (-2) + Drawing - 18 (-2) + Borders - 14 (-2) + Migration - 3 (+0) + Basic - 3 (+0) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-05-02T15:42:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/905 <pre>Joel kindly pointed out I forgot to send these: sorry ! * Present: + Joel, Thorsten, Lionel, Andras, David, Norbert, Kendy, Ahmad, Astron, Bjoern, Eike, Caolan, Stephan, Petr, Cedric * Completed Action Items + publish results of automated load testing (Markus) + find out an ideal git rename limit number (Bjoern) + do RTL_LOGFILE changes (Bjoern) [ plus created an easy-hack ] + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy) [ toolbar issues in GSOC wiki page, and ref'd in bugs ] + Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy) [ done - expected for 4.0.3, new URL there ] [ text 'Persona' left in 4.0.x for l10n text updated in master, GSOC task to move to API and browse in LibO ] + update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert) + Lionel's UNO / forms interfaces: second view on what's up [ uses a different model, so confusing, but no change ] + Lionel's list-box change: [ hesitated a lot, but interaction with Validator interface makes this ] AI:+ double check this change (Eike) + mass-move &amp; tweak of include paths (Bjoern) [ looks beautiful in master, two minor glitches 15mins late executing, and broke cross-compiling, otherwise it went smoothly - thanks to all for help ! ] [ Windows builds take between 1 or 2 hours - there are two of them ] + on-line update 3.6.x -&gt; 3.6.6 patch (Michael) [ should now be nearly automated, needs just the new commit id adding ] * Pending Action Items + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + feedback on stepped-lines dialog (Astron) + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + [ ongoing problems ] + add a suggestion to do a single bug triage to the GSOC requirements (Fridrich) + find a good public? test / webdav server for QA (Thorsten) * QA update (Joel) + trying to double-up on each of the major components eg. the Bugzilla Submission Assistant (BSA) + questing for a website person to help-out with that AI:+ working on analysing minor release bugs + adding a new tag 'expert_needed' - needs a developer to triage them; QA volunteers can't do it themselves: odd setups etc. + 147 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage + bugs not going down or up - hovering around 150 http://tinyurl.com/crxq9od (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + more bugs closed than opened ... +151 -153 + flip-side of better triage is regression spike + want to triage better / get better data / quality of regressions + bibisect: + plenty of bandwidth available to add 'bibsectrequest' to keywords for developers + pushed another repo - of released / tagged versions, most useful for minor releases. + seems to be a serious Win32 crasher bug: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63767 * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline is June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.3 rc2 deadline - April 29th + next Monday ! + 4.1 - feature-freeze: three weeks out: May 20th + week on Monday - do an Alpha 0 of 4.1 + get build / packaging testing / etc. * Update on calc foo (Markus) + discussion to get rid of performance hobbling inherited number format issue. + still resolved to get rid of it. + Markus to work on it in a bit. * MySQL connector + Fernand Vanrie - funding a re-compile for 4.0 and -&gt; extension site (many thanks) + Work In Progress + will need another re-compile for 4.1 so we need to use the 'maxversion' 4.0.100 eg. dependency for it + new-re-compile due to ns datetime change. * remove lo suffix from non-ure libraries (Bjoern) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63154#c6 + shortening the names can lead to DLL naming conflicts, hence 'lo' AI:+ back-track and leave the existing macro to avoid issues (Michael) * UX input (Astron) + icon theme faenza issues, already have the ability to override it + should we make it easy for extensions to install these icons (Michael) + no reason why we couldn't do that + flat icons on github / these new icons (Bjoern) AI:+ encourage these guys to work on new flat icon project (Astron/Bjoern) * GSOC update (Cedric) + All mentors are now registered in Google Melange + already had a few (good) applications (since Monday) + students have until May 3rd (eight days) to file + then we go through a ranking process - to find best students + May 27th - they'll know. + some annoyances from being badgered ? =&gt; send to Cedric. + hassling lots of contributors vaguely about your application may well count against you. * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) * Open 4.1 MAB / regressions + 3 (of 14) older 2/13 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB / regressions + 24 (of 122) older 22/118 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 20% 19% 17% 16% 15% 18% 18% 16% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 75 (of 225) older 75/225 75/223 73/218 74/216 78/217 77/215 77/214 33% 33% 34% 33% 34% 36% 36% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 30 (of 90) older 28/88 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72 + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 314(+6) bugs open of 1479(+15) total * ~Component count net * + Writer - 104 (+3) + Spreadsheet - 34 (+3) + Presentation - 31 (+0) + LibreOffice - 28 (+1) + Database - 24 (+1) + Crashes - 22 (+3) + Drawing - 20 (+0) + Borders - 16 (+0) + Migration - 3 (+0) + Basic - 3 (-1) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-05-01T14:34:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/904 <pre>Hi, Christian Lohmaier wrote on 2013-04-30 17:24: seems we have the same tunnel endpoint. ;-) Yep, that's HE's Frankfurt POP. I'm in touch with MaxMind to get that fixed, let's see if it works out. Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-04-30T15:25:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/903 <pre>Hi Florian, *, On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Florian Effenberger &lt;floeff&lt; at &gt;documentfoundation.org&gt; wrote: List of best mirrors for IP address 2001:470:1f0a:bfc::2, located in United States (US): Tha once was in Frankfurt - at least I did choose that as my ipv6 tunnel endpoint - but feel free to ignore it, as it is a tunnel from hurricane electric :-) bingo :-) maxmind's demo shows the same result, so no misconfiguration on your part, but rather some bad data - HE is in US, so if the ip-addresses are attributed to them, then it is irrelevant where the actual endpoint is.... ciao Christian </pre> Christian Lohmaier 2013-04-30T15:24:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/902 <pre>Hello, as part of the move to a new infrastructure, I've also enabled an IPv6-capable download page for testing purposes. As the GeoIP module was a bit too old, I had to compile it manually, and that's why I seek your assistance. ;-) Those of you having IPv6 connectivity, can you please go to http://download-test.documentfoundation.org/TIMESTAMP.mirrorlist and check if you get the country you're located in as result? It should look like List of best mirrors for IP address 2a01:4f8:190:3144::2, located in Germany (DE) with your IP and country respectively. In case you get only IPv4 - that's normal, nothing to report, might be related to Happy Eyeballs. [1] In case you get IPv6 and the right country is shown - no need to report either. ;-) But in case you have IPv6, and a wrong or unknown country is shown, please let me know, so I can investigate. From time to time, this can happen with tunnels, especially those from tunnelbroker.net based on my experience, but in general, it should be working. I only want to enable IPv6 for the production site when all is working. Thanks for your feedback in advance! Florian [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Happy_Eyeballs </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-04-30T14:49:31 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/901 <pre>Hello, you are probably as annoyed as I am by these kind of e-mails, but bilbo needs another downtime due to a disk replacement. This time, it's not the SSD dying again, but the regular SATA disk. After a few years of service, this is rather normal, so today, 1400 UTC, which is in approximately two hours our download server and mailing list will have a downtime of hopefully only a few minutes for disk replacement. Sorry for those inconveniences, Florian </pre> Florian Effenberger 2013-04-30T11:54:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/900 <pre> executed: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9337e22ce1dbf2eba0e8c8db294ae99f4111f91 and build successfully locally. Best, Bjoern </pre> Bjoern Michaelsen 2013-04-23T20:59:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/899 <pre> All tinderboxes happy, I will execute the move at 2000UTC as announced. Best, Bjoern </pre> Bjoern Michaelsen 2013-04-23T14:26:23 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/897 <pre> The 1200UTC last sanity is running: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ Best, Bjoern </pre> Bjoern Michaelsen 2013-04-23T12:25:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/895 <pre>Hi, as discussed on the ESC the global header move script is at: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3367/3 and worked fine on Linux, and the plan is to execute it on master if it is building on all platforms and if there is a proper advance warning. This is that warning. ;) I rebased the change on master today only to find master not even building from scratch on Linux because of test failures. Because of that I didnt even try to set the gerrit buildbot on it, and instead used the last known good state of master (the one I pushed it the script to gerrit with), executed the move and scheduled a gerrit build agianst that: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3465/ That build succeeds on Linux and Windows, but fails again on OSX *sigh* due to as it seems another unrelated master breakage, preventing me _again_ to check if this works on all platforms. So this has to be played into the dark unfortunately. I plan to execute the global header move on Tuesday, 2013-04-23, hoping that the weekend changes are merged on Monday and the master is in a reasonable state then. The plan is as follows: - I will rebase the script against master on 2013-04-23 1200 UTC and again execute and trigger the build on gerrit - if that succeeds, I will push'n execute the script on 2013-04-23 2000 UTC expecting it was not broken by intermediate commits - if the tinderboxes did not finish in time, I will only wait for OS X as the other platforms have been proven to work on other master states already - if that fails for reasons obviously based in the script itself, I will check if I can fix/workaround the issue or if the move needs to be postponed -- thats what we have the buildbot for - if it fails on a platform and it becomes apparent its because master was broken on that platform before, I WILL execute the move anyway. - If you broke master on a platform by the time of the move, I fully expect YOU to fix that up, even with the extra pain of the header move. tl;dr: Dont break master, but especially dont break master on 2013-04-23! Master will of course stay open for all as usual, but remember that: a/ If you have doubts of any kind, you can just push to gerrit to get a testbuild b/ Even if you do not get a testbuild, you can simply "park" your commit on gerrit to merge/cherry-pick it to master on Wednesday after the move c/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8&amp;feature=player_detailpage#t=1399s "... people make 1-liner changes, knowing it cant POSSIBLY break, right?" "(audience giggles uncomfortably)" Please avoid doing so -- in general, but even more so on Tuesday ;) Best, Bjoern </pre> Bjoern Michaelsen 2013-04-18T20:46:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/893 <pre>* Present: + Lionel, Andras, Kendy, Norbert, Ahmed, Joel, David, Michael M, Markus, Norbert, Bjoern, Thorsten, Stephan, Caolan, Michael S, Astron, Eike * Completed Action Items + ask Tollef to rename &amp; enable voting - IFF we don't get mailed (Bjoern) + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M) [ abandoned for now ] * Pending Action Items + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) + look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy) + [ really necessary, since the URL changed sooner than expected, needs to be in 4.0.3 ] + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert) [ ongoing problems with pure 10.6 and python builds ] + publish results of automated load testing (Markus) + test still running, ~80% done, layout regression found, + fixed a layout regression in master recently (Kendy) + a very recent build (Markus) + a build from yesterday morning may have issues + work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike) + mass-move &amp; tweak of include paths (Bjoern) [ nice script already made ] * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.6 retrospective + went well, and lots of fixes distributed + 3.6.7 schedule - deadline is June 24th for rc1 + 4.0.3 rc1 status / rc2 ... + rc1 done, being up-loaded to mirrors, nearly there. + went well, fixed lots of bugs: 94 bugzilla numbers and 200 commits. + deadline for rc2 is - April 29th (~two weeks out) + 4.1 - feature-freeze: four weeks out: May 20th + on-line update 3.6.x -&gt; 3.6.6 patch would be appreciated like this one: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/website/commit/?h=update&amp;id=bf50f98d806f4eee39c426de1050ac2dc1409381 * QA update (Joel) + 39 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage (Wow !) http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa) + actually at 140 (last week 260) - need a new link: + Move to: http://tinyurl.com/crxq9od + Unconfirmed blockers needing dev input: + Slideshow doesn't open: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62815 + multi-head presentation issue https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63580 + Webdav bugs against Version 4 + seem quite serious but we need confirmation, no one has this setup + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=287066&amp;short_desc=webdav&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&amp;short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&amp;product=LibreOffice + GSoC + can we encourage new people to get involved with QA to start with / triage a single bug ? AI:+ add a suggestion to do a single bug triage to the GSOC requirements (Fridrich) + trying to improve policy, going to move forward with netbooks: need some Windows 8 machines in the team + several new names in the last couple of weeks + decided to set the QA meeting time in stone. + how to deal with hard-to-triage bugs + have been CC'ing devs / sending E-mail out. + some reported during 4.0 master, and no-one knows how to triage them. + eg. an error of some kind, but no reproducible steps ... AI:+ find a good public test / webdav server (Thorsten) + Bugzilla E-mail gateway / quoting + discuss details in QA call ... + Tollef's great work (thanks to TDF funding) on bugzilla: + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/page.cgi?id=weekly-bug-summary.html + shows the QA heros: top bug closers, stats of opened / shut etc. * Research into un-closed regressions during the 3.6.x series (Bjeorn) + have done some stats, a rather hard query to unwind from bugzilla + found around 2 bugs that might be cross-minor regressions: + bar chart axis - but of a nighmarish number of commits + kendy's fix - ~trivial can be back-ported easily + ergo ~next-to-no still open regression during 3.6.x * UX input (Astron) + stepped-lines dialog - review was asked for AI:+ be great to have some feedback (Astron) + do we need new branding for 4.1 ? + best to ask design / marketing. * MPL licensing (Michael) + MPLv1 -&gt; MPLv2 header changes ongoing + consensus that DSCM should have credit information + ergo remove all redundant credits, user-(C) with permission * Time-nanosecond API changes (Lionel) + (as announced on the dev ML) I'm about to push my "time nanosecond resolution" change to master. It was already discussed in ESC call (to decide how to do it), so this is just an announce. + all the tests we have pass, Lionel - will push in 30mins or so. * Header rename script (Bjoern) + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/#/c/3367/ + if run the script, everything succeeds, and it builds. + at this stage - it ignores sal - which is magic somehow + use it as-is &amp; move ahead. + do the remaining cleanup afterwards. + proposal: at some stage, run it - build gerrit, and push to master. + after DateTime change ... + soonish, and do test builds. + in 2 days ~everything will be broken. + is it a pure git mv (Kendy) + it is 99% a pure git move, with just a few tweaks (Bjoern) + just moving, not modifying. + eg. sfx2/ special include to include global headers without the sfx2 prefix. + Rename limit - what should it be set to in gerrit (Norbert) AI:+ get a number from Miklos/Bjoern for that (Bjoern) * Any objections to proposed RTL_LOGFILE changes (Bjoern) + no. * GSOC update (Cedric) + Mentors need to register on Google Melange: + https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/libreoffice + click "Mentors apply, 'start a connection'" * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) * gerrit buildbot-plugin aims and sync (Norbert, Bjoern, David) + blocking on getting the boxes, want the logic in Jenkins not in the buildbot / gerrit integration itself + TDF boxes could be slave/master/slave - Jenkins like * Scripting interface for form elements broken (?) (Lionel) + I've just sent a message to the dev ML with subject "Value of a ListBox, FMC paradigm for Form elements (controls)" + C++ module / forms / frm:: + not only used by 'base' In short: 1) our scripting (UNO) interface to form elements (controls) sucks. It exposes the models, but the models don't have a getCurrentController() and the control(ler) exposes useful APIs that are thus NOT REACHABLE. + getView returns the same object as the controller AI:+ get a second view on what's up (Stephan) 2) ListBox has the wrong notion of "current value". Change it to the right one incompatibly? Add a new "current *bound* value" notion to stay compatible, but make the interesting thing accessible in some way? + has two lists of key/values pairs. + with a one-to-one mapping between the two, + values that are displayed; and another that is written. + getCurrentValue - shouldn't return string displayed, but the value + on a date-field; don't get Mon/1st/Jan - but an abstract date. + not so clear as all that (Norbert/Eike) + value written to field, not exposed at all (Lionel) + API is a special exception for this box + been there for a while. + keeping back-compat there is important (Eike) + introduce a new method - getActualCurrentValue + or incompatibly extend the existing interface + can we put it in a property instead ? * Open 4.1 MAB / regressions + 2 (of 13) older 2/11 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB / regressions + 22 (of 118) older 19/115 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 19% 17% 16% 15% 18% 18% 16% 14% 16% 17% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 75 (of 225) older 75/223 73/218 74/216 78/217 77/215 77/214 75/211 76/210 33% 34% 33% 34% 36% 36% 36% 36% 36% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 28 (of 88) older 26/85 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72 + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 308(+12) bugs open of 1464(+30) total * ~Component count net * + Writer - 101 (+4) + Spreadsheet - 31 (+1) + Presentation - 31 (+0) + LibreOffice - 27 (+1) + Database - 23 (+0) + Drawing - 20 (+1) + Crashes - 19 (+0) + Borders - 16 (+1) + Basic - 4 (+2) + Migration - 3 (+0) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-04-18T14:55:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/891 <pre>* Present + Andras, Kendy, Stefan, Bjoern, Petr, Michael M, David, Joel, Astron, Norbert, Caolan, Markus, Eike * Completed Action Items + mail list of committers to public list (Bjoern) + instead have the global headers in one central global directory + write up for the mailing list (Bjoern) + integrating / feedback on Issa's icons (Lionel) + change -4-0 calc default to not use cached values (Markus) + decided: change the default install directory to 'LibreOffice 4' on master (Pmladek) + get wikihelp credentials to Andras so he can set it up (Kendy) * Pending Action Items + disable Rhino / Beanshell unless in experimental mode (Michael M) + look at gradient / clipart issues (Michael) [ some progress: re-working gengal ] + helping out with code-pointers for UI bugs (Kendy) + need design for copying styles between templates (Astron/UX) + either in that dialog or a new dialog + also issue with only editing templates that are in the mgr + Personas - update / de-couple built-in URL (Kendy) + legacy link will continue to work for a while. + buy Windows build hardware / hosting (Norbert) + still investigating options + update mac SDK configure check on master (Norbert) + publish results of automated load testing (Markus) + work on fixing automated load test issues (Kendy,Fridrich,Eike) [ Kendy -8, Eike -2 so far ] * Release Engineering update (Petr) + 3.6.6 rc2 status + released today, thank you for the fixes! + 3.6.7 schedule on the Wiki page + 4.0.3 rc1 - ~one week out April 15th + 4.1 - feature-freeze: five weeks out: May 20th + Alpha1 two weeks before * Tentative End Of Life definition (Petr) + TEOL is the time when TDF stops providing bugfix releases + TEOL should be one month after publishing the last planned bugfix release + decided. + how do we define the "last bugfix release" (Kendy) + on the ML - 3.6.7 is an exception, with that, it will already a year (Petr) + the lifetime should be ~6 - ~8 months (Petr) + sounds good to everyone * UX input (Astron) + curious blog set this morning: + constructive points: UX for LibreOffice is not at the tip of the spear yet + perhaps few corp. customers paying for fixes ? + agreed it is fundamentally a UX -hacker- resourcing problem, we need more UX hackers somehow. + some work on design of templ. mgr ... + lots of good work by Raphael + tentative #3rd design for colour picker on-going + communcation was poor there + writer/image-rotation 90degree thought good. * GSOC update (Cedric) + we were accepted as a mentoring organisation + lots of promising applicants showing up + Mentors need to register on Google Melange: + https://google-melange.appspot.com/gsoc/profile/mentor/google/gsoc2013?org=libreoffice + if you have an unusual account name - please mail it to Cedric to get added. * Internal galleries / and theme building (Michael) + why do we ship pre-canned galleries ? + can we build them under Windows these days ? (Caolan) AI:+ look into Windows gallery builds (Michael) * Getting on with the public headers issue (Bjoern) + no open issues on design if we do it + only open: if we do it and when. + if do it, do it before 4.1 otherwise wait for 4.1.2 (Norbert) + Advantages: + removes a chunk of Package_foo_inc makefiles + solves incremental build issues when header is left in the solver. + probable improvements in build time for Win32 AI:+ mass-move &amp; tweak of dmake stuff (Bjoern) + also propose to move external modules into an 'external' top-level + reduce the 200 top-levels around there. + love someone to do that * Regression testing documents + Kendy will fix more today &amp; tomorrow, Markus can then re-run the tests &amp; blog * Hard Hacks (Bjorn) + http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/HardHacks + should we continue to prioritise these ? + review of how the program is going + is it a working process? (Bjoern) + the idea is good, but prioritization is not ideal yet (Joel) + feedback from hard-hack fixes: + Markus: 3-4 days to fix - can have no more than 1 per month. + Caolan: some of the hard-hacks are too hard + bugs from OO.o 2 era. + there is a reason why they're not fixed yet + David: only fixed Hard-hacks accidentally while working on MABs + Cedric: fixed a few in December + "Template Mgr bugs more annoying than the hard-hacks" + thus prioritising them. + developers in general think: + there is lower hanging &amp; more useful / fast fixing elsewhere + some bugs are really annoying &amp; really easy =&gt; should be fixed fast. + continue it for one more month: + see if there is more movement, else get rid / change it somehow (Joel) + one longer-term hard-hack per dev ? + if 2-3 are solved in the next month: continue as is + we need need more aggressive management and bug roll-over. + if something is not getting fixed, try something else * Certification Program (Stephan/Kendy/Bjoern) * QA update (Joel) + LibreOffice 4.0 issues for professional use (Rainer) + what level of usability do we expect for each release. - should we focus more on regressions for certain release + concerns about MAB list roll-over to 4.0 etc. + reading bugs all day makes everyone down (Cedric) + lists of unconfirmed bugs + nasty bugs of the moment ... + http://tinyurl.com/brvfmen + http://tinyurl.com/d75b5jr + unconfirmed bug list down to and stabilised at 230 or so + nice work [!]. + Voting on bugs (Bjoern) + rename 'voting' to 'this bug affects me' + no promise for lots of affected people fixing them + the data is useful for devs if it is used positively (Michael) + useful in launchpad to filter stuff (Bjoern) + concern wrt. not getting E-mail on voting (Michael) AI:+ ask Tollef to rename &amp; enable - IFF we don't get mailed (Bjoern) + 101 unconfirmed vs. 4.0, help appreciated with triage. http://tinyurl.com/a3csc2o (cf. topic in #libreoffice-qa) * gerrit buildbot-plugin aims and sync (Norbert, Bjoern, David) + left the call open for these guys. * Open 4.1 MAB / regressions + 2 (of 11) older 4/10 5/10 5/10 4/8 4/8 2/5 1/2 3/3 + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=60270&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Open 4.0 MAB / regressions + 19 (of 115) older 18/112 17/111 19/109 19/106 17/105 14/99 15/96 16/94 16/91 17% 16% 15% 18% 18% 16% 14% 16% 17% 18% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=54157&amp;hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 75 (of 223) older 73/218 74/216 78/217 77/215 77/214 75/211 76/210 57/189 34% 33% 34% 36% 36% 36% 36% 36% 30% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&amp;hide_resolved=1 * Bibisected bugs open: whiteboard 'bibsected' + 26 (of 85) older 24/83 27/83 25/78 29/78 32/79 27/72 + re-built the query to avoid pre bibisected mess http://bit.ly/VQfF3Q * all bugs tagged with 'regression' + 294(+3) bugs open of 1434(+20) total * ~Component count net * + Writer - 97 (+1) + Presentation - 31 (+2) + Spreadsheet - 30 (+2) + LibreOffice - 26 (-2) + Database - 23 (-1) + Drawing - 19 (-1) + Crashes - 19 (+3) + Borders - 15 (+0) + Migration - 3 (+0) + Basic - 2 (+0) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&amp;keywords_type=allwords&amp;resolution=---&amp;query_format=advanced&amp;product=LibreOffice&amp;list_id=36764 + Migration: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=43489&amp;hide_resolved=1 </pre> Michael Meeks 2013-04-11T17:19:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/890 <pre>Hi all, On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 09:15:33AM +0200, Thorsten Behrens wrote: ... and Ubuntu users can test the versions for Ubuntu 12.10 (quantal) and Ubuntu 12.04 (LTS precise) at this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/libreoffice-3-6 for a few days already. Sorry for the late notification. Best, Bjoern </pre> Bjoern Michaelsen 2013-04-09T18:11:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects/889 <pre>Dear Community, The Document Foundation is happy to announce the first release candidate of LibreOffice 3.6.6. The upcoming 3.6.6 will be the sixth in a series of frequent bugfix releases for our stable 3.6 branch. Please be aware that LibreOffice 3.6.6 RC2 is not ready for production use, you should continue to use LibreOffice 3.6.5 for that. The release is available for Windows, Linux and Mac OS X from our QA builds download page at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ Should you find bugs, please report them to the FreeDesktop Bugzilla: https://bugs.freedesktop.org A good way to assess the release candidate quality is to run some specific manual tests on it, our TCM wiki page has more details: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Testing/Regression_Tests#Full_Regression_Test - or checkout our manual test database for starting right away - http://manual-test.libreoffice.org/runtests/ For other ways to get involved with this exciting project - you can e.g. contribute code: http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/developers/ translate LibreOffice to your language: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Translation_for_3.5 or help with funding our operations: http://donate.libreoffice.org/ A list of known issues and fixed bugs with 3.6.6 RC2 is available from our wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Releases/3.6.6/RC2 Let us close again with a BIG Thank You! to all of you having contributed to the LibreOffice project - this release would not have been possible without your help. Yours, The Document Foundation Board of Directors The Document Foundation, Zimmerstr. 69, 10117 Berlin, Germany Rechtsfähige Stiftung des bürgerlichen Rechts Legal details: http://www.documentfoundation.org/imprint </pre> Thorsten Behrens 2013-04-08T07:15:33 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.comp.documentfoundation.libreoffice.projects