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Re: subscribe

Chris Calloway — 2005-11-11T19:10:17

Please disregard. Mitch was just trying to make sure he was subscribed.

Re: subscribe

Carrie Wall — 2005-11-11T15:30:50

? no article attached. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Roffer" bellsouth.net> To: "SEACOOS Ocean Circulation effect on Marine Fisheries Team" listserv.unc.edu> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation] subscribe 265-9077 cwall< at >marine.usf.edu. leave-seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation-4657118U< at >listserv.unc.edu --- You are currently subscribed to seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation as: gsgstcf-SEACOOS-Team-Fisheries-Circulation< at >gmane.org. To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation-4657118U< at >listserv.unc.edu

Re:Fwd: Commentary in Nature

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-20T22:21:28

Indeed, Mitch. Thanks for forwarding this. (Note that the email list you sent this to, however, has limited intersection with that of a SEACOOS fisheries team - I am therefore forwarding your email to that list: seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation< at >listserv.unc.edu) Mitchell A. Roffer, Ph.D. wrote:

RE: Spam:Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Roger Pugliese — 2005-07-20T19:52:12

Frank, I view this effort and coordination to this point as a first step. As the Council representative on both SEACOOS and in SECOORA I plan on tapping into all our connections with state (SCDNR, FWRI, NCDMF and GDNR) and federal fishery scientists as well as our Scientific and Statistical Committee, industry and science representatives on our Species, Habitat and Coral Advisory Panels in providing input to this process as well as our Fishery Ecosystem Plan development process. I apologize if that hasn't gone as far as it could have by now but I have been out of the loop due to personal reasons and I wasn't able to be involved until just recently. This coordination and engagement of a broader group will happen. Roger Roger Pugliese Senior Fishery Biologist South Atlantic Fishery Management Council One Southpark Circle, Suite 306 Charleston, SC 29407-4699 Tel: (843)571-4366 FAX: (843)769-4520 email: roger.pugliese< at >safmc.net -----Original Message----- From: Frank Muller-Karger [mailto:carib< at >marine.usf.

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-20T19:46:08

John - I am referring to the list below and its composition. No industry (Roffer is not on the list even though I believe he has asked to be part of the team - and he certaily represents a limited segment of the private sector), no Florida, GA, NC agency rep, no Gulf Council rep, etc.. John Lamkin wrote:

RE: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Robert Bacon — 2005-07-20T19:45:53

Frank, Yes we (EE WG) can, but probably not in time for the upcoming workshop. Sea Grant has a regional fishery extension group with good fishing industry contacts as well as state fishery managers. At the workshop we can talk about we want to engage these stakeholders. Bob Robert H. Bacon Leader SC Sea Grant Extension Program 287 Meeting Street Charleston, SC 29401 Office: (843) 727-2075 Mobile: (843) 670-9325 Fax: (843) 727-2080 robert.bacon< at >scseagrant.org http://www.scseagrant.org S.C. Sea Grant Extension.....Science Serving South Carolina's Coast. A joint program of the Clemson University Extension Service and the S.C. Sea Grant Consortium. -----Original Message----- From: Frank Muller-Karger [mailto:carib< at >marine.usf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:15 PM To: SEACOOS Ocean Circulation effect on Marine Fisheries Team Subject: Re: [seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation] SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper Dear everyone: As I suspected, the "team" continues t

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-20T19:43:53

Cisco - that is the way it is, clearly. The point I am trying to make is that we continue to develop "white papers" on "requirements" for a prototype (or actual) "operational" system, with a very large number of stakeholders (those that would use this) outside or only loosely linked to the process. I will be happy to remind ourselves of this in JAX, just in case some don't realize this. Cheers, Frank cisco wrote:

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-20T19:31:03

George - thanks. good to hear from you. Frank George Sedberry wrote:

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

cisco — 2005-07-20T19:32:52

Hello Frank, There is a statement in the document, next to the team's present composition (page 5), that should alleviate your concerns. It states: "The team’s charge, membership and structure will be revisited at the Jacksonville meeting." That is the intention, to update, revise, improve, broaden (choose your qualifier) the team at the meeting. Please, let's brainstorm and make recommendations at the meeting how best to achieve this. Ultimately it will depend on what we agree to prioritize, etc. To do so over e-mail without the benefit of a full discussion, I suggest may not be the best way to proceed. Cisco.

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

John Lamkin — 2005-07-20T19:18:12

frank- The SEFSC will be involved as well, but I have been out in the field and just returned. as for industry- who are you referring to? I know Mitch roffer is interested but am not sure who else should be included. I think this is something we can discuss at the meeting. I do think john Hunt (FWC Marathon) should be included if he is not already. Frank Muller-Karger wrote: --- You are currently subscribed to seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation as: gsgstcf-SEACOOS-Team-Fisheries-Circulation< at >gmane.org. To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation-4657118U< at >listserv.unc.edu

RE: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

George Sedberry — 2005-07-20T19:25:36

Note that I am actually replacing Charlie Barans (reducing number from SC and from state agencies) who is retiring within a year and that Jon Hare (NOAA) is no longer in the southeast, although I am sure he is still involved (but that could change?). George R. Sedberry Marine Resources Research Institute, SCDNR P.O. Box 12559 (217 Ft. Johnson Road--delivery only) Charleston SC 29412 USA Phone: 843-953-9814 Fax: 843-953-9820 Mobile: 843-345 4689 sedberryg< at >mrd.dnr.state.sc.us South Atlantic Bight Fish Map Server: http://ekman.csc.noaa.gov/seageofish/seageofish.htm -----Original Message----- From: Frank Muller-Karger [mailto:carib< at >marine.usf.edu] Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2005 3:15 PM To: SEACOOS Ocean Circulation effect on Marine Fisheries Team Subject: Re: [seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation] SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper Dear everyone: As I suspected, the "team" continues to be heavily loaded with "edu" types, with two (2) state (note only SC!), a couple fed (GOV, Seagrant) ,

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-20T19:15:16

Dear everyone: As I suspected, the "team" continues to be heavily loaded with "edu" types, with two (2) state (note only SC!), a couple fed (GOV, Seagrant) , and one (1) fisheries council representative. Do I dare repeat that we need to engage industry folks, other state agencies in other states, not just by secretly sending the draft documents, but by openly inviting them and including in the "team"? How do we open this process? Can the SEACOOS outreach representative(s) take charge of disseminating/engaging others, since the "team" does not seem to get to the point of doing this? Fisheries "team" as per http://seacoos.org/teams/fisheries-circulation/ on 20 July 2005: Amber Von Harten ambervh< at >clemson.edu Charlie Barans baransc< at >mrd.dnr.state.sc.us Brian Keller brian.keller< at >noaa.gov Frank Muller-Karger carib< at >marine.usf.edu Cisco Werner (chair) cisco< at >unc.edu Chris Mooers cmooers< at >rsmas.miami.edu Dave Eslinger Dave.Eslinger< at >noaa.gov Dana Savidge dsavidge< at >skio.peachnet.edu Madilyn Fletcher fl

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

2005-07-20T16:33:52

Quoting cisco unc.edu>: Cisco, Thanks for forwarding this version. With the receipt of this draft, your team folder has been published: http://seacoos.org/teams/fisheries-circulation/

RE: Spam:SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Roger Pugliese — 2005-07-20T14:46:20

Cisco, I think the response from Frank is an excellent start. Great job! Roger Roger Pugliese Senior Fishery Biologist South Atlantic Fishery Management Council One Southpark Circle, Suite 306 Charleston, SC 29407-4699 Tel: (843)571-4366 FAX: (843)769-4520 email: roger.pugliese< at >safmc.net -----Original Message----- From: cisco [mailto:cisco< at >unc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 2:29 PM To: SEACOOS Ocean Circulation effect on Marine Fisheries Team Subject: Spam:[seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation] SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper Dear all, I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem. It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in response to your input. There is an attempt to have general ideas as well as specific examples for consideration. Please consider this as a starting point for discussion at the workshop. It will be refined and modified further to reflect the input received at the meeting. Best wishes and thank you again for

Re: SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-19T21:12:20

Cisco - thank you for updating the document. It is starting to look like someting that may be useful! Cheers, Frank cisco wrote:

SEACOOS - Fisheries/Ecosystem team white paper

cisco — 2005-07-19T18:29:05

Dear all, I attach the latest version of the white paper on fisheries/ecosystem. It has been greatly improved (and it has grown a bit in length) in response to your input. There is an attempt to have general ideas as well as specific examples for consideration. Please consider this as a starting point for discussion at the workshop. It will be refined and modified further to reflect the input received at the meeting. Best wishes and thank you again for your input, Cisco.

Re: [Fwd: Re: SEACOOS "Fish/Ecosystem team" white paper]

Bob Weisberg — 2005-07-14T14:18:54

All, While I do not stand in the way of improvements, not everyone's semantics mean the same thing. We may get some specific statements for improvements from the FWRI folks on biologically specific aspects, and I'm sure at the workshop we will get lots of other inputs from people who may have not fully climed in yet. These, of course, must all be taken very seriously. If we take stakeholders seriously then nothing will get derailed. Having said that I must also say that I often find EPA speak (their semantics) such as "stakeholder" to be less than useful. Using Bush semantics that leads to some being dividers, not uniters. So in the SEACOOS white paper I hope that we can include everyone's interests and expertise in a well discussed and fully vetted way so as many people as possible will be happy with a document that is both focused on a reasonable number of topics that we can make headway against and also scientifically defensible. Bob Frank Muller-Karger wrote: --- You are currentl

Re: [Fwd: Re: SEACOOS "Fish/Ecosystem team" white paper]

Frank Muller-Karger — 2005-07-13T22:06:24

Bob, Madilyn: Actually, I would like to also suggest that the language be reviewed carefully. I am not asking to change the substance of a document vetted by this small group, Bob, but to make sure that it does not get derailed when vetted by a larger group of important stakeholders. In my opinion, we are still in the review mode, and it will be like this for some time. Note that I made the same point Madilyn made about "products" in my email of 10 July (attached). I would request that we change the language as Madilyn suggested in her previous message. We should try to be sensitive to this important issue of semantics. Cheers, Frank ______________ FMK ________________ Frank Muller-Karger Institute for Marine Remote Sensing College of Marine Science University of South Florida 140 7th Ave. South St Petersburg, FL 33701 Phones: (727) 553-3335 Office (727) 553-1186 Lab. (727) 553-1103 FAX e-mail/www: << carib< at >marine.usf.edu >> << http://imars.marine.usf.edu>> ___________________________________

slight modification

Bob Weisberg — 2005-07-12T16:29:17

Dear Fish Team, The stench of red-tide and hurricane induced rotting fish outside my office building made me think of y'all. So attached is a small revison to the present "white paper." Along with satellite data overlays I think it importnat to emphasize that the fisheries issues are fully 3-D. Hence the addition that I made. We have a nice draft going into the workshop. Thanks. Bob --- You are currently subscribed to seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation as: gsgstcf-SEACOOS-Team-Fisheries-Circulation< at >gmane.org. To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation-4657118U< at >listserv.unc.edu

re:Response to External Evaluation Report

George Sedberry — 2005-07-05T17:27:02

I like the west Florida shelf gag work. We are doing similar work on the Atlantic side, FL to NC. We have determined gag spawning times and places from gonad histology, and have placed satellite-tracked drifters and drift bottles on those sites (FL to NC) at the peak of spawning (2005; also planned for 2006). Eularian measurements of hydrography and circulation along these shelf-edge reefs and across the shelf to estuarine nursery areas would also be useful to further define recruitment patterns to juvenile habitats and to predict recruitment to the fishery. Data would be useful for other shelf-edge spawners that are estuarine or coastal dependent (menhaden, bluefish, red grouper, flounders). --- You are currently subscribed to seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation as: gsgstcf-SEACOOS-Team-Fisheries-Circulation< at >gmane.org. To unsubscribe send a blank email to leave-seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation-4657118U< at >listserv.unc.edu

RE: Spam:Response to External Evaluation Report

Roger Pugliese — 2005-06-24T21:15:36

Chris, Thank you. I wanted to let you and the rest of the team know that due to personal responsibilities I was out of the office and out of touch for an extended period of time. I look forward to future team deliberations on ocean observing systems and marine fisheries in advance of the July SEACOOS and SECOORA meetings. Roger Roger Pugliese Senior Fishery Biologist South Atlantic Fishery Management Council One Southpark Circle, Suite 306 Charleston, SC 29407-4699 Tel: (843)571-4366 FAX: (843)769-4520 email: roger.pugliese< at >safmc.net -----Original Message----- From: Chris Calloway [mailto:cbc< at >unc.edu] Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 2:36 PM To: SEACOOS Ocean Circulation effect on Marine Fisheries Team Subject: Spam:[seacoos-team-fisheries-circulation] Response to External Evaluation Report Dear Fisheries Team, To get the ball rolling I met with a broad based group of local scientists to draft some white paper ideas for WFS "fisheries team" foci. Attached is what we came up with, trying to be broad e