http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83585 <pre>The Bicycle Touring list has moved to Google Groups. This will be the last email address to the old system. To continue getting list email you must join the new list. You can do so by going to http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Users are not automatically being moved to the new lists. The Bicycle Touring list is what got me to start hosting mailing lists in the first place, after it needed a new home on December 15th, 1999. Over 11 years later there have been hundreds of thousands of emails between thousands of recipients on this list, helping get new and veteran cyclists excited about bicycle touring. I'm glad to have been so involved in the list, and I'm glad to see it continuing on in a new form. I'll see you on the Google Group. thanks, Alex Wetmore </pre> Alex Wetmore 2011-02-28T15:33:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83584 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Begin forwarded message: Harold Bielstein hkbielstein-JtLh9daGcqYB085IDyDbTA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org </pre> Harold Bielstein 2011-02-28T04:54:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83583 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** test msg Harold Bielstein hkbielstein-JtLh9daGcqYB085IDyDbTA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org </pre> Harold Bielstein 2011-02-28T04:53:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83582 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Fran wrote REI'S presta tubes don't have the nuts or the threads.. I haven't used them yet but have read pro and con about them. I thought you needed the nut to keep the stem tight. Mine have come loose at times so I just tighten them back up. Weight weenies see them as unnecessary weight and out they go. Jim </pre> James Blair 2011-02-27T22:37:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83581 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** I have a tent I just love but don't like the light orange and white on it. It It is too bright and you can't hide very well with it. The fly is what I need to change. I didn't know if anything would even change the color since it repels water. I wanted to camoflauge it and thought of food coloring but thats just green water so it would probable just run off. I don't want to ruin it but really want a different color. It would be nice and bright if I was lost and someone from the air was looking for me but that will never be the case.The tent is no longer made. Any ideas?? Fran, Be who you are an</pre> hpvluver3wheels-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org 2011-02-25T13:59:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83580 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** "Miles, I hear ya! I run a shop also and have stock sitting there that was ordered in by someone and never picked up. This stuff builds up over time until we have a Saturday morning sale and generally sell it for less than what it cost us. A sports shop I frequent in Germany has a way round that problem: whenI have ordered from them, I have to pay a 50% deposit at the time, plus sign a contract agreeing to purchase the item. I presume that if I didn`t turn up to pick up an item, they would bill me for it anyway, via my credit card . </pre> biff frederikson 2011-02-24T21:35:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83579 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** check with Frank Havnoonian at Drexel Hill Cyclery 703 Burmont Road Drexel Hill, PA 19026-3942 (610) 626-4477 Regards, Diane HubBub On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 3:12 PM, Sheri Woodruff &lt;sheri_woodruff-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: </pre> Diane Lees 2011-02-24T20:29:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83578 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** On somewhat short notice because my schedule allows it, I am planning to ride cross country from Jacksonville, FL to Santa Barbara, CA in April/May/June. I have purchased the Southern Tier maps and am also mapping sections on my own to see friends/family along the way. Does anyone know a great bike shop or bike tech near me between Philly and New York City? Willing to travel. I have an older Miyata road bike and a newish Trek road bike -- and need some help to get bike and gear ready pronto. Suggestions welcomed! Thanks all -- I have been enjoying this listserv for several weeks now. </pre> Sheri Woodruff 2011-02-24T20:12:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83577 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Miles, I hear ya! I run a shop also and have stock sitting there that was ordered in by someone and never picked up. This stuff builds up over time until we have a Saturday morning sale and generally sell it for less than what it cost us. How many times we have sat there waiting for the customer to come pick up the tube, or pump, or whatever I can't remember, but what I do know is I appreciate the guy who does that for me so we do it for our customers. The online pricing seems absurd to me. We deliberately try to keep parity with on line product and generally can,albiet with reduced margin, but i</pre> Rod Skeggs 2011-02-24T14:24:44 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83576 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Yes, I wear blue jeans on the recumbent. I'm comfortable. They don't cost a lot and wear for years. Tried the zipoff nylon pants. They work. Just don't know where I left them over the years. I don't worry to much about weight on tour. Someday maybe. Not now. -Mark Hoagy On 2/23/2011 12:15 PM, Kelly Iniguez wrote: </pre> MH 2011-02-23T22:34:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83575 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Fran, A few observations that may help. Generally speaking when you send to a Google list, you as the sender don't get a copy of what you sent, they figure that you already know what you sent so why waste the bandwidth. I know that I found all the test emails yesterday rather annoying, my preference is to wait until I have something to say and then figure out if the system is working, but for me it's a nice to have rather than a must have or life and death importance newsgroup. Other things to consider: Are you sending from the same email account that you registered into the Google Group with? </pre> saul-0cCTJL/hGkFWk0Htik3J/w< at >public.gmane.org 2011-02-23T19:14:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83574 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:28 PM, David Rossato &lt;drossato-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: If you dont sign up for Digest delivery you may have a very busy inbox. bicycletouring-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFF+G/Ez6ZCGd0&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Since gmail on my Android phone beeps almost instantly when new mail arrives in my inbox, using such a filter to bypass the inbox is almost essential for a reasonably high-frequency list like this one. Without the filter, my phone would be beeping even more near-constantly than it already does due to work emails. Jeff </pre> Jeff Caldwell 2011-02-23T18:47:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83573 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** You take blue jeans on tour? I think your kit weighs a bit more than mine . . . I have those nylon pants with the zip off legs . . .. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 6:33 AM, MH &lt;hoagy-OlwQ/PpRSuxSV923RJcDwA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Kelly Iniguez 2011-02-23T18:15:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83572 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Dear Touring People: Once, while on a day ride with my usual riding group, the older guys with us got all nostalgic because these particular bathrooms had genuine Boraxo powdered soap in the soap dispensers. Good thing too -- someone always seems to be getting a flat there. In part because often when we're there we're stopping for a picnic lunch, so the slow leaks have time go go down all the way. Lots of hands get a little bit greasy. We're communal tire changers :) What's your best "I found this in the bathroom while riding" soap story? Robert Leone </pre> Robert Leone 2011-02-23T16:35:32 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83571 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:45 PM, mikel66132-ntQ8I44N4zM&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org &lt;mikel66132-ntQ8I44N4zM&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: Don't know what years Mike calls "early". Have no trouble with my 1992 Cannondale tourer with front load. Both Cannondales seem good buys. Red one seems close to 1992; 1991? Demetri </pre> . dkoloko 2011-02-23T14:52:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83570 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Bikes Belong In Traffic - SFPD Training Video 10:01 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7M-_ueoU2E </pre> MH 2011-02-23T13:37:28 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83569 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** Tried out my canvas kitchen sink and like it. Measures: 9" diameter and 4.5" high. Can't wash my blue jeans in it but my summer shorts, socks and shirt works. The sink weeps a bit after setting overnight. I'm guessing 16 oz. out of this 128 oz. one gallon canvas sink. Figure on getting a 2.5 gallon fabric bucket for my blue jeans. -Mark Hoagy On 2/9/2011 4:09 PM, MH wrote: </pre> MH 2011-02-23T13:33:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83568 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** today and am getting each message individually, which clutters my inbox. look again, where you resubscribe, and you should be presented with (4?) delivery options; click on the appropriate, adjacent radio button </pre> Eric Sluyter 2011-02-22T21:05:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83567 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** at this point in time, and to say the LEAST, i've only a very general outline for an upcoming tour and would greatly appreciate your oh-so well-informed suggestions so that i can start planning its specifics the general idea is to head out from the greater phoenix metropolitan area -- where i'm currently laying over -- as soon as is feasible (see below); into southern utah (for areas like glen canyon and zion); through nevada (deserts...love riding the desert!); to wind up on california's monterey peninsula, no later than mid-june (while, if necessary to work the plan, i can land there earlier) </pre> Eric Sluyter 2011-02-23T06:15:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83566 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** What am I doing wrong? This is the 2nd time I have had one returned although my membership has been verified. You can see who I sent this to. I don't know what else to do. It gets returned to my spam. Fran, Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter. Anon -----Original Message----- From: Mail Delivery Subsystem &lt;mailer-daemon-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To: hpvluver3wheels &lt;hpvluver3wheels-YDxpq3io04c&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Sent: Tue, Feb 22, 2011 6:11 pm Subject: Delivery Status Notification (Failure) He</pre> hpvluver3wheels-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org 2011-02-23T00:57:34 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred/83565 <pre>********** ATTENTION: The touring list has moved from bikelist.org to Google Groups. You must resubscribe to the list to continue to get list emails. You can join the new list by going to: http://groups.google.com/group/bicycletouring OR by sending email to bicycletouring+subscribe-/JYPxA39Uh5TLH3MbocFFw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org The touring list will no longer operate on bikelist.org by the end of this week. ********** I can't figure how to send mail or access the list. I registered and send a test email 10 minutes ago and never received it. I also don't know how to get to the list. Sometimes I hate computers. I was so comfy before. I know... thats called progress. Fran, Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter. Anon </pre> hpvluver3wheels-YDxpq3io04c< at >public.gmane.org 2011-02-22T23:35:08 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.recreation.bicycle.touring.phred