http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20112 <pre>Yellow (maybe white also, melilotus alba) sweet clover and "Canada Thistle control (organic / sustainable practices forum at permies)" http://www.permies.com/t/9243/organic-sustainable-practices/Canada-Thistle-control#84515 posted Saturday, July 16, 2011 4:40:05 PM Ran across this to day in the Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education site: "Sweetclover residue is said to be allelopathic against kochia, Russia thistle, dandelion, perennial sowthistle, stinkweed and green foxtail. Repeated mowing of yellow sweetclover that is then left to mature is reported to have eradicated Canada thistle. Letting sweetclover bloom and go to seed dries out soil throughout the profile, depleting the root reserves of weeds. " It is also an accumulator plant, bringing various minerals up from subsoils and making them available for other plants.It is supposed to be almost unmatched in its value as a green manure crop. Seed can remain viable in soil for 10 years. One thing that maybe should be mentioned though is tha</pre> Lawrence London 2012-05-23T19:06:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20111 <pre> ---------- Eredeti üzenet ---------- Dátum: 2012. február 8., szerda, 17:28:03 Feladó: permaculture &lt;permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;, Címzett: permaculture &lt;permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;, &lt;d.j.crabtree-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;, Másolatot kap: Tárgy: [permaculture] Tibetan DocumentariesLawrence, As promised, the first batch is upped and I will do a bunch more tomorrow. Here are the links NHK - Shangri-La (2005) [1 DVD (AVI)] http://thegeeks.bz/details.php?id=5444 NHK - Yellow Dragon's Colours (2006) [1 DVD (AVI)] http://thegeeks.bz/details.php?id=5450 National Geographic - Tibet's Hidden Kingdom (2001) [DVDRip (AVI)] http://thegeeks.bz/details.php?id=13590 NOVA: Lost Treasure of Tibet (2007) [DVDRip (AVI)] http://thegeeks.bz/details.php?id=13591 The Blue Buddha : Lost Secrets Of Tibetan Medicine (2006) [DVDRip (AVI)] http://thegeeks.bz/details.php?id=13593 BBC - A Year in Tibet (</pre> Rakfa David 2012-05-23T10:47:33 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20110 <pre>Come to this important greywater workshop and learn how to stop throwing away our sacred water, before it's not sacred no more.  Regards, Ray Cirino The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very opportunities that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual Sustainability. --- On Tue, 5/22/12, camille cimino &lt;camcim-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: From: camille cimino &lt;camcim-/E1597aS9LQAvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Subject: [permaculture] Urban Homestead Grey Water &amp; Rain Water Catchment DIY Workshop To: "permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org" &lt;permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; Date: Tuesday, May 22, 2012, 9:02 PM TO: 4 recipientsShow Detail *********************  Urban Homestead Grey Water &amp; Rain Water Catchment DIY Workshop A 2 day hands-on of workshop on a DIY greywater irrigation and roof water catchment system to distribution to foundation food forest orchard and berry plantings. A very</pre> Ray Cirino 2012-05-23T05:54:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20109 <pre> TO: 4 recipientsShow Detail *********************  Urban Homestead Grey Water &amp; Rain Water Catchment DIY Workshop A 2 day hands-on of workshop on a DIY greywater irrigation and roof water catchment system to distribution to foundation food forest orchard and berry plantings. A very interesting learning opportunity on a 1/2 acre private residence in Glassell Park, that utilizes permaculture design principles to implement 3 different systems of water catchment, storage and delivery to landscape: * laundry to landscape greywater system * shower and bath greywater system * rainwater catchment * designing and planting foundational food forest Jointly led by Leigh Jerrard (Greywater Corps) and Camille Cimino (The Nature of Things), this workshop will address the design principles to use in assessing and implementing a home-scale sustainability project, as well as providing the technical information needed to implement these systems.  Plus, hands-on experience in both designing a foundational food forest and</pre> camille cimino 2012-05-23T04:02:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20108 <pre>You are invited! *Mediterranean Regional Permaculture Conference, 14 July 2012, Istanbul * “Who is accountable for soil?” Soil contains immense biodiversity, making it vital in providing food and shelter to humanity. Topsoil degradation has accelerated out of control due to the industrial revolution and the lifestyles that flourished as a consequence. But who is accountable for topsoil? Set out to debate the human-soil relation, in context of permaculture, this conference will bring together permaculture specialists and enthusiast from the region. The Permaculture Institute of Turkey is proud that it will be hosting neighbours from the Mediterranean, Middle East, Balkans and the Caucasus at the first ever Mediterranean Regional Permaculture Conference. *Mediterranean Regional Permaculture Convergence, 17-21 July 2012, Marmaric Permaculture Village (Izmir) * Intended at certified permaculture designers, the Mediterranean Regional Permaculture Meeting in Marmariç, Izmir will witness the largest intern</pre> Filiz Telek 2012-05-22T18:13:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20107 <pre>*Cascadia Permaculture Proudly Presents the * *12th Annual Advanced Permaculture Teacher Training* *Course* *Empower Yourself to Advocate for Change through * *Teaching Whole Systems and Passion Based Learning* * * *July 29 – August 4, 2012* * * *Instructors:** Jude Hobbs, Andrew Millison and Guests *Location:* Wilson Creek Gardens Cottage Grove, Oregon Cascadia Permaculture Institute Certificate Upon Completion *Contact or visit:* cascadiapc-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org www.cascadiapermaculture.com for further information and testimonials * * *Some of What You Will Learn:* • Building Curriculum and Course Modules Based on the Mollisonian PDC • Recognizing Your Learning Style(s) and How It Impacts Ways of Teaching • Reaching Your Audience Through Applying Diverse Teaching Modalities: ~ Lecture, storytelling, class discussions, interactive activities, visual aids and more • Experience Active Learning Through Essential Hands On Practice and Critique </pre> Andrew Millison 2012-05-22T17:39:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20106 <pre>The Kennedys (Declan, an architect and permaculture teacher, founder of Gaia university, and his wife Margit, i think also an architect who published a lot along the lines of alternative currencies), now well in their 70-ties, made their whole library available online (their own publications and those of others where they own the rights). See http://kennedy-bibliothek.info/ Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Georg Parlow ************ g.parlow-RbZlAiThDcE&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org 1230 Wien, A-Baumgartnerstr. 4/B1/013 +43-650-8899345 _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> georg parlow 2012-05-21T15:23:42 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20105 <pre> See also some of Joe Cummins reports about this topic and others related: Sanet-MG message archive and a webarchive of converted email posts to html: Joe Cummins' posts to the Sanet-MG list 8/16/2002 to 7/18/2007 http://www.ibiblio.org/ecolandtech/SoilWiki/message-archives/JoeCummins/maillist.html -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SANET-MG] new report on Roundup: environmental and health effects Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 13:12:22 -1000 From: Hector Valenzuela &lt;hectoruh11-8a+P9i1ojmF8zQARNC3f2A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To: SANET-MG-cmfcc66tUGOool70/aq5q+W1CriLhL8O&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Hi all, I am attaching links to a new draft report I've put together on the potential environmental and health impacts from the use of Roundup herbicide. In this report, I organized each individual adverse effect separately, along with a list of citations. Most of the info comes from the recent reports by Antoniou et al (2011) and from Greenpeace (2011). We are currently dealing with these issues in Hawaii, so this is an </pre> Lawrence F. London, Jr. 2012-05-18T23:36:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20104 <pre>The Finger Lakes Permaculture Institute http://FingerLakesPermaculture.org presents PLANT A FOOD FOREST with Jonathan Bates of Food Forest Farm http://PermacultureNursery.com Saturday, June 23rd in Schuyler County, NY Grow your own food forest! Create a thriving edible forest full of fruits, roots, shoots, greens, seeds, flowers, mulch, eggs, knowledge and fun. Join us for a full day of Food Forest workshops. Discover how to use the plants from permaculture gardens--as shown in Jonathan Bates’ presentation--in your own garden. Learn guiding principles to plant your own food forest. The full day of workshops are held at two locations in Schuyler County. The morning presentation (Edible Forest Gardens: Growing a Food Paradise) is in Montour Falls at Cornell Cooperative Extension of Schuyler County. The afternoon workshop (How to Build Your Own Perennial Polyculture) will be held at a permaculture site in nearby Catherine, NY. Afterwards we’ll have a potluck dinner and campfire. Tuition: Full day: $40;</pre> Michael Burns 2012-05-18T17:23:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20103 <pre>It's a great story, but the single-handedness is questionable. As Asian Age reported... "...Mulai was one of the labourers who worked in our project which was completed after five years. He chose to stay back after the completion of the project as others left." http://www.asianage.com/india/man-creates-forest-single-handedly-brahmaputra -sand-bar-972 Mitch Triplett Tri-Pearl Family Forest Member - CCFFA/OSWA &amp; OTFS Associate Member - FSC -----Original Message----- From: permaculture-bounces-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org [mailto:permaculture-bounces-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org] On Behalf Of dylanford Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:58 PM To: permaculture Subject: [permaculture] The Man Who Made A Forest The Man Who Made A Forest Manimugdha S Sharma, TNN Apr 1, 2012 http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-01/special-report/312696 49_1_forest-wild-elephants-red-ants Way back in 1953, French author Jean Giono wrote the epic tale The Man Who Pl</pre> Mitch Triplett 2012-05-18T03:14:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20102 <pre>The Man Who Made A Forest Manimugdha S Sharma, TNN Apr 1, 2012 http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-04-01/special-report/31269649_1_forest-wild-elephants-red-ants Way back in 1953, French author Jean Giono wrote the epic tale The Man Who Planted Trees. It seemed so real that readers thought the central character, Elzeard Bouffier , was a living individual until the author clarified he had created the person only to make his readers fall in love with trees. Assam's Jadav Payeng has never heard of Giono's book. But he could be Bouffier. He has single-handedly grown a sprawling forest on a 550-hectare sandbar in the middle of the Brahmaputra. It now has many endangered animals, including at least five tigers, one of which bore two cubs recently. The place lies in Jorhat, some 350 km from Guwahati by road, and it wasn't easy for Sunday Times to access him. At one point on the stretch, a smaller road has to be taken for some 30 km to reach the riverbank. There, if one is lucky, boatmen wil</pre> dylanford 2012-05-18T02:58:27 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20101 <pre>Owen Hablutzel will be making several guest appearances in my upcoming podcasts. He is part of Geoff Lawton's PRI USA team. Plus a certified Holistic Management educator (Alan Savory's stuff) and keyline guy. This is a picture of a project that went from a huge expanse of cracked clay desert, to a field of weeds with doing nothing more than running a keyline plow on it. There is also a video of Owen giving a presentation at the international permaculture convergence in Jordan. http://www.permies.com/t/14693/permaculture/resilience-science </pre> paul wheaton 2012-05-16T17:35:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20100 <pre>Yes! "Tree Crops" Wonderful book! available online at www.soilandhealth.org Gave me some great ideas about incorporating trees with edible fruits and nuts in the pastures, particularly for hogs. Lisa, in the MO Ozarks On May 16, 2012, at 12:21 PM, Carl DuPoldt wrote: _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Lisa Rollens 2012-05-16T17:33:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20099 <pre>Anyone hear of JR Smith in a 1929 publication on crop yielding trees? _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Carl DuPoldt 2012-05-16T17:21:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20098 <pre>Hello Friends, Passing the word along about a wonderful farm care taking opportunity available for the next month at Golden Nectar Farm - www.goldennectar.com Beautiful place. Beautiful people. See info below. Happy Trails, -Jay Ma Living Mandala Organizing Education, Events &amp; Initiatives for Personal &amp; Planetary Transformation www.LivingMandala.com Find Living Mandala on Facebook! _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Jay Ma 2012-05-15T23:37:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20097 <pre>-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [SANET-MG] yield of conventional vs organic farms Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 13:02:38 -0400 From: Michael Astera &lt;michael.astera-8a+P9i1ojmF8zQARNC3f2A&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To: SANET-MG-cmfcc66tUGOool70/aq5q+W1CriLhL8O&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Yield, as used in the title of this thread, infers that quantity, bushels and tons, is a valid primary criteria for measurement of agricultural success and that comparing quantity of production between systems of agriculture gives us a useful basis by which to evaluate them. I disagree. Quantity of production is a valid measure of mine output if one is mining a homogenous geological formation, but I would argue it is a deceptive and false criteria for most other things, particularly agriculture. Even when speaking of fiber production, as in bales of cotton per acre, the quality of the fiber grown is at least as important as quantity, and the disparity between quantity and quality becomes even more important when food is being grown. </pre> Lawrence F. London, Jr. 2012-05-14T02:11:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20096 <pre> Perhaps I didn't make myself sufficiently clear: The question of whether organic farming can feed the world or out-produce chemical agriculture is a non-issue because the fundamental question is, what are the national priorities, if feeding people enough high quality food isn't one of them? The resources and technology are there. What's lacking is the recognition that life (and government) is not about competitiveness (to see who can exploit the planet's natural resources and trash the planet's life support systems faster) or markets (to sell people things they don't need, but rather the education and well being of the nations citizens. Until these truths become self evident and the nation's resources become focused on reaching a consensus and achieving that goal, the profound truths contained in posts made to this list are not going to become reflected in the lives of significant numbers of people anywhere. This post is not intended to convey a sense of hopelessness but rather, just the op</pre> Douglas Hinds 2012-05-13T15:12:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20095 <pre> I am redirecting a message sent to sanet here. Lawrence wanted me to post to this list and this topic was discussed here also. Then too, the concepts presented aren't alien to permaculture (which is not a term I myself have used, although there certainly ARE coincidences with at least some forms of the permaculture concept). BTW, I began farming organically in 1968, when organic farming actually meant something more than the need to pay though the nose for third party certification. However, I moved to Mexico in 1974 and despite the well publicized problems existing here (but not nearly as much as most of you probably think), I'm glad I did. (For a lot of reasons that can be discussed later - maybe). On 5/12/2012 at 8:16 AM, Edna Weigel wrote: Yes Edna, I'll comment - although frankly, I'm no sure how much good it will do, because my frame of reference -the perceptions and measurements that guide my life- is probably much different than yours (generic, plural second person you). In oth</pre> Douglas Hinds 2012-05-12T23:05:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20094 <pre>Though I would like nothing more than to see us act rationally in terms of population fitting with what ecosystems can give sustainably, I'm around enough people who don't think that way, and are into high tech solutions to see a scenario where we will be creating skyscraper aquaponics and hydroponics facilities and other higher tech approaches which will create the apparency of endless food.  Marsha Hanzi, in Brazil, says she gets 3-8 times the yield of commercial ag with far less inputs, using polycropping. She uses opuntia to nurse castor bean crop and interplants with several other cash crops. It takes more labor than machine based ag, but if the population is increasing, we'll have it. So I'm not sold that sustainable ag can't out produce petroleum based ag. Intensive backyard growing can of course out produce petroleum ag and remain sustainalbe especially when all available organic waste is captured and careful balance is achieved. So it is possible to continue to feed a growing population with our c</pre> Cory Brennan 2012-05-12T16:00:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20093 <pre>the way I c it. I look at it like water not pure is so full of stuff because it is a solvent it picks up everything and is full by the time we drink it . IMHO pure water is the water that does what water should do clean you body as it goes through it. unlike not pure water that is so full of stuff it can't pick anything else up so what good is it. I my mind I eat enough things and get my minerals from foods. the inventor says and it is my understanding this pure water is the perfect solvent for inter-cellular removal of cell contaminants removing mercury cadmium, lead arsenic etc. give me the perfect solvent any day and not the water full of contaminates. hard water carrier of inorganic minerals and toxic genetic chemicals . as pure water enters the body it again picks up minerals deposits accumulated in the joints, the artery walls, or wherever such deposits occur. Gallstones and kidney stones become smaller and smaller till you can pass them. I always hear pure water is not good for </pre> sals3 2012-05-12T03:45:17 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/20092 <pre> It removes all molecules but water. That means all radioactivity but that from tritium. The radioactive oxygen isotopes are so short lived as to be a non- issue. _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Jay Woods 2012-05-12T01:51:56 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.politics.activism.permaculture