http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22366 <pre>-------- Original Message -------- Subject: [SANET-MG] Digital Mapping and GIS for Small Landowners and Permaculture Design Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:50:34 -0700 From: Andrea S. Laliberte &lt;andrea.laliberte-xgTyYl8GJsZZHBEKMfhilw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; To: SANET-MG-cmfcc66tUGOool70/aq5q+W1CriLhL8O&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Learn how to map your land using open source software and freely available data. This material was presented in a workshop at Oregon State University last year, and is now available on CD as a self-paced course. The course introduces digital mapping tools and techniques (Geographic Information Systems or GIS), and how small landowners and permaculture designers can use these tools with freely available data for site planning. The course provides an excellent introduction to GIS for any small landowner interested in visualizing terrain of the land, planning layout of buildings and gardens, and using GIS maps in Google Earth. You will learn about freely available aerial photos, topographic data, soil ma</pre> Lawrence F. London, Jr. 2013-05-24T15:40:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22365 <pre>Attn: Deston Dennison, Scott Pittman and others who have worked with the military or with veterans This was the topic of the Charlie Rose show tonight: Veterans Job Corps http://www.dylanratigan.com/2013/05/21/marine-corps-general-partners-with-dylan-ratigan-to-lead-veteran-job-incubator/ "Marine Corps General Partners with Dylan Ratigan to Lead Veteran Job Incubator May 21, 2013* Major General Melvin Spiese Named Executive Chairman of Veteran Job Corps (VJC)** * *May 21, 2013 (Los Angeles, CA)* – Veteran Job Corps, a solutions based, job incubator for military veterans, announced today that Major General Melvin Spiese will be the Executive Chairman. General Spiese and Dylan Ratigan founded the organization to help develop and train veterans to take on the core challenges facing our country. Major General Spiese retired after 37 years of active duty in March of 2013 as the Deputy Commanding General of Marine Expeditionary Force and Commanding General of 1st Marine Expeditionary Brigade. At VJC, Gener</pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-24T05:21:50 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22364 <pre>(FWD) Umass, Amherst Summer and Fall Permaculture Courses Please help me spread the word about the Summer design course! A great opportunity to build your portfolio and gain skills in permaculture design by touring existing projects and then working as a team to design a permaculture homestead. This course is open to the public through continuing education and runs Tuesday and Thursday nights 6:30-8:30 July 9th -August 15th with field trips on Saturday July 13th, 17th and August 10th. For more information and to sign up for the course go to: http://www.umassulearn.net/component/cpeclasses/?view=class&amp;clid=11195&amp;pid=158&lt;http://www.umassulearn.net/component/cpeclasses/?view=class&amp;clid=11195&amp;pid=158&gt; This three-credit course includes in-class lectures, field trips, design studio and a hands-on field component, to offer students a deepened practice in permaculture design process and techniques. The course culminates with students completing their own permaculture design for a site in the pioneer valley. Th</pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-23T22:03:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22363 <pre>(FWD) Permaculture for Professionals- April 15th Please help me spread the word to your networks! ------------------------------------------------------ Permaculture For Professionals Register by April 15th Register here: http://www.connsoil.com/ Join permaculture designer, teacher, and regional planner, Lisa DePiano for this unique program. Lisa initiated Feed Northampton&lt;http://issuu.com/conwaydesign/docs/feed_northampton_april2010&gt;, one of the first Food Security Plans in the country and she runs the Mobile Design Lab &lt;http://www.mobiledesignlab.org&gt;, which focuses on participatory design and planning. This training is for professional Planners, Architects, Engineers, Landscape Architects and other developers who want to understand and incorporate the principles and techniques of Permaculture Design into their practise. Permaculture is an interdisciplinary framework that uses principles of ecology as a basis of design. In this training participants will gain knowledge in the following: *Understand*</pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-23T22:00:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22362 <pre>(FWD) Upcoming Permaculture Design Certificate Courses at Aprovecho Aprovecho is excited to share its 2013 Permaculture Design Certificate Courses&lt;http://aprovecho.net/programs/sustainable-living-skills-immersion-pdc/&gt;. This year, we will host two 6-week residential sessions, one in summer and one in fall. The summer course this year will focus on perennial system establishment, including construction of a greywater system and large-scale hugelkulture beds, while our fall program will focus on the intersection of local foods and nutrition with well-designed Permaculture systems. Aprovecho's PDC&lt;http://aprovecho.net/programs/sustainable-living-skills-immersion-pdc/&gt;is unique in that it offers the standard 72 hour PDC curriculum interwoven with 80 hours of hands-on learning. Aprovecho is proud to provide its students with practical experience in applied Permaculture skills, including surveying, earthworks construction, forest garden and perennial planting, water catchment systems, as well as observational </pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-23T21:57:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22361 <pre>hi has this book been translated to portuguese or spanish ? http://burlingtonpermaculture.weebly.com/uploads/4/2/8/9/4289790/anotherkindofgarden.pdf thank you João Gonçalves "Permacultura (Cultura Permanente) é um sistema ético de design ecológico." (+351) 96 96 80 009 Chão Sobral - Oliveira do Hospital - Serra do Açor http://permacultureglobal.com/users/902-joao-goncalves http://chaosobral.org/index_pt.htm http://agricultura-familiar-tradicional.blogspot.pt/ https://picasaweb.google.com/joaovox http://picasaweb.google.pt/uniprochaosobral http://picasaweb.google.pt/festerrar Visite Permacultura na Serra do Açor - Portugal http://permaculturinginportugal.net/blog/ "Comida que nunca acaba" / Permacultura no Malawi http://www.neverendingfood.org/ Centro de Ecologia Integral http://www.integralecology.org _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donat</pre> joao pedro goncalves 2013-05-23T08:39:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22360 <pre> Greetings ,  We atill have an internship position available at Three Sisters Farm. This is an intensive market garden and permaculture farm projects internship. June through September. For details email  Darrell Frey at          threesisters&lt; at &gt;bioshelter.com Thanks, Darrell Darrell E. Frey Three Sisters Farm defrey&lt; at &gt;bioshelter.com www.bioshelter.com Author; Bioshelter Market Garden: A Permaculture Farm. New Society Publishing, 2011 _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture&lt; at &gt;lists.ibiblio.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Permaculture Institute USA http://permaculture.org Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Darrell E. Frey 2013-05-23T04:08:08 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22359 <pre>It is my experience that most 'fire-prone' landscapes would see nearly a 90% reduction in fire frequency... if MAN was taken out of the equation. I have seen this with 'natural fires" in the forests of Finland and Russia. Upon closer investigation most of these fires were actually lit, even in very dry years. And isn't it amazing how much broken glasses and discarded beer bottles can be found along-side roads and near habitation in semi-arid regions with steppe-like vegetation? And on the Fukuoka farming lists there are some examples of people who had their farms torched in India by neighbors... for those neighbors believed that all that mulch attracted pests to the neighboring farms... And yet, miraculously, all that mulch, even under 8 months of dry season with daily temp. at 30 Celsius or above, never 'spontaneously' caught fire in previous years. Hope these examples help any discussion. In my opinion: Education is the key... Or the building of very high concrete walls. Daniel _________________</pre> Daniel Jager 2013-05-22T00:43:16 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22358 <pre> ecolandtech &lt;dirt.4arm&lt; at &gt;...&gt; wrote: Thanks very much for your helpful and informative reply, Michael. This certainly explains much of what CEC and AEC are all about. I will read your page on this topic and in time will buy a copy of your book. My thoughts: I can see that the quarry rock dusts won't improve my soil's CEC but it will feed the soil microbes, weeds and crops growing in it. The weeds can be turned under thus returning nutrients to the soil and adding OM which may increase CEC on its own. My soil is Georgeville silt loam. It is bright red, high in iron and is exactly the same consistency and color (except for topsoil on or near the surface) 3 to 6 feet down where you encounter parent material which is lighter colored and larger particle size, like a very fine sand, which blends with eroded fractured pieces of bedrock (where the parent soil originated) and below that partially eroded bedrock, a kind of bluestone used to make crushed rock for roads, second hardest rock in North Carolina. GnC—</pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-20T23:24:10 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22357 <pre>I have a friend that teaches a course that includes trips to the farmer's market. One thing that surprised her was the amount of students who had never seen a persimmon before (I think she said one thought they were bad tomatoes). An interesting question to include could be along the lines of "Are there any fruits/vegetables you've never seen before?" And maybe an encouragement to try said alien produce. Also, to add to the price comparison question, where (what country/how far away) is the supermarket produce from? Alia On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:52 PM, venaurafarm &lt;venaurafarm-Bdlq13kUjeyLZ21kGMrzwg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt;wrote: _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists</pre> Alia Tsang 2013-05-20T21:50:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22356 <pre> On 5/19/2013 3:13 PM, Lawrence F. London, Jr. wrote: Michael Astera of http://soilminerals.com replies to my question: "It sounds like you did a wonderful job of mineralizing your soil, but what you added won't necessarily add CEC. Exchange capacity is the ability of components of the soil to hold onto minerals via a static electrical charge. A soil particle with a positive + charge can hold a negative ion (an anion) like NO3- nitrate; a negative - charge can hold a positive ion (a cation) like K+, Potassium. See http://soilminerals.com/Cation_Exchange_Simplified.htm Soil components with high CEC, cation exchange capacity, include some clays, humus and humate ore, and charcoal. Humus, humates, and charcoal also have significant AEC, anion exchange capacity. (AEC is not usually measured on soil tests.) Rock dusts generally have little or no exchange capacity because they don't have significant static electrical charge. Florida soft rock phosphate is an exception, because it contains a good amo</pre> venaurafarm 2013-05-20T20:10:54 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22355 <pre> -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Help with planning a farmers market lab? Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:57:34 -0400 From: Richard Moyer &lt;ramoyer-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; How would you recommend helping students understand where food comes from? Am teaching an online course this summer. Including labs. One lab goes along with class concepts of carbon cycles, foodsheds, watersheds, food webs, etc. And with human microbiomes and how to nourish them (see Michael Pollan's article at NYT Magazine.) Here's the lab draft, please comment and help me improve: 1) Visit one or more local farmers markets (this will be in July.) Photodocument (with permission) the variety of foods available. Compare prices with a local supermarket (excluding sale items). 2) Goal is to buy, locally, all the primary ingredients for the complete meal, from the one(s) who grew the foods. Take pics (with permission) of the foods and the growers. Ask for recipes. 3) During purchase, ask farmer/</pre> venaurafarm 2013-05-20T19:52:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22354 <pre>http://permaculturaportugal.ning.com/events/florestas-de-alimentos-e-agro-florestas-em-zonas-de-inc-ndio O quê/What: 1º Ciclo de Encontros "Ambientes comestíveis - Florestas de Alimentos e Agro-florestas em Zonas de Incêndio" em Chão Sobral Cada encontro é independente do anterior ou próximo. O programa é co-criado pelos participantes e vai ser em detalhe adaptado aos interesses e perguntas dos participantes de cada encontro. 1st Cycle of Meetings "Edible landscapes - Food forests and Agro-forestry in Fire-prone Landscape" in Chão Sobral Each meeting is co-created by all participants and is independant from previous or next meetings. Interests and questions of each participant will be addressed in detail. Porquê / Why: "Porque vivemos num barril de pólvora ... " e precisamos testar práticas, gerar conhecimento e entender as diferentes maneiras de lidar com o nosso ecossistema, reduzindo o potencial destrutivo do fogo e gerando economia, serviços ecológicos e saúde. "Because we live in a g</pre> joao pedro goncalves 2013-05-20T17:39:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22353 <pre>In the 70s, an aunt and uncle brought some of their relatives from the Soviet Union for a visit to New Jersey. The first thing they said upon seeing the greenswards of suburbia where my parents lived: "if we lived here, we'd plant potatoes" (or something like that) _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Permaculture Institute USA http://permaculture.org Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> tanya 2013-05-20T05:02:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22352 <pre>On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Pete Gasper, Gasper Family Farm &lt; farmer1-wf87oBPzlMlIqCWfrpycBw&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: Thumbs-up Pete, you've got the picture. That happens. What can we do to help change that? I have been thinking of a long essay to post about why we need multi-nation/culture collaboration and cooperation and exchange of knowledge, new ideas, old ideas, experiences, traditions and nuts and bolts how-to on survival on all fronts. I have posted many times on the value of researching, identifying, observing, documenting and preserving all the best agriculture and survival-related traditions of all cultures worldwide. This is what permaculture is, using the most sensible regenerative methods possible leading to sustainability and living in harmony with the Earth and its creatures. With knowledge comes power and ever-increasing numbers of those retaining and using this knowledge and passing it on for future generations. Tell me that isn't important. Ex: there are rural dwelling folks in sou</pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-20T02:25:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22351 <pre>We don't need peasants from other countries to teach us, the only folks who'd listen them don't need the information. We have plenty of information already. What we need is to break the grip of the merchant class on the minds of the people. Also our government at all levels fights against the people growing their own food. Getting land to grow on is a gargantuan task. We also lack 'widespread mutual assistance'. In this country you are more likely to be shunned than helped. Pete On 05/18/2013 02:34 AM, dwoodard-GBIL5D3FnXPYtjvyW6yDsg&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org wrote: _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Permaculture </pre> Pete Gasper, Gasper Family Farm 2013-05-20T01:43:39 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22350 <pre> My original reply with typos corrected: MP: that if the Dacha gardeners grew 41% of Russia's food, that 49% is grown by Russia's state agriculture. What was missed in this equation is that Russia is one of the world's largest food importing countries. Russia imports a lot of its food. This means that it's agricultural sector isn't doing very good. LL: And there is no excuse for that. Russia has some of the best farmland in the world. Russia HAD some of the best farmers in the world and they knew how to work that prime farmland. Soviet Stalinism changed the face of traditional Russian farming. They converted all farming operations to collective farms generating food to ship to the party elite well away from where it was grown, leaving farmers, their families and relatives, communities and villlages living and working in a state of near poverty or thereabouts, otherwise not fairly compensated for their labors. The Russian farmers of old, called Kulaks (as far as I know) were the experts </pre> venaurafarm 2013-05-19T19:18:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22349 <pre> Michael Astera of http://soilminerals.com writes: Rock dusts &amp; CEC: Apart from remineralizing your soil would CEC be improved with application of large (medium or small) quantities of non toxic, environmentally clean, rock dusts from quarries, i.e. siltation pond fines? Reading the MSDS freely supplied by each rock quarry would tell you the array of minerals in their product and the percentage of each one. You could then decide which fines you want to use and how much you want to apply. The material is usually free; you pay for trucking or haul it yourself. Rent a skid loader for 4 hours and spread it out on your fields or gardens when soil is not moist or wet, i.e. very dry, to reduce compaction from loader or truck. These quarries are under close scrutiny by the EPA because the large water flow from the siltation ponds affects the local watershed, ecosystems, streams, rivers and creeks. I have two piles of dust at the edge of my field to use in top dressing or making potting soil. Rainfall has washed sm</pre> Lawrence F. London, Jr. 2013-05-19T19:13:36 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22348 <pre> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bashkirs _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Permaculture Institute USA http://permaculture.org Avant Geared http://www.avantgeared.com </pre> Lawrence London 2013-05-19T18:36:11 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22347 <pre>Barking Frogs Permaculture is happy to announce that Pamphlet 4 of the free public domain permaculture design pamphlets, Island Permaculture, is now available in a Spanish translation. Download it at http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/panfleto4.pdf . Pamphlets 1 and 2 of the series are also available in Spanish, and the entire series is available in Portuguese. All of these documents are available for free download at http://www.barkingfrogspermaculture.org/publications.htm . These free pamphlets are transcriptions of a PDC given by Bill Mollison in the US in 1981. The transcription and publication and now the translation of the documents has been facilitated by Dan Hemenway, Barking Frogs Permaculture. There's been some talk of a French translation, but thus far nothing has shown up. Feel free to pass this news on to others who might be interested. Bob Waldrop, BFPC web tadpole http://www.ipermie.net How to permaculture your urban lifestyle ebook, $1.99 On 5/15/2013 2:54 PM, Lawrenc</pre> Bob Waldrop 2013-05-19T01:25:41 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.politics.activism.permaculture/22346 <pre> I had a quick look over the lists and it is a good thing I am not jealous by nature Daniel. We are still suffering low temperatures and it is not even easy to grow lettuce. Potatoes have just broken ground and have been stuck there for a month. The lost crops of the Incas are more suitable for our conditions. Occa, mashua, quinoa, yacon and other Andes plants do quite well here normally. Our apple trees did not even flower this year for all the difference that would have made for pollinators are extremely scarce. John _______________________________________________ permaculture mailing list permaculture-rm8PX32fqvbMZ2x0e22RKNi2O/JbrIOy&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org subscribe/unsubscribe|user config|list info|make a donation toward list maintenance: http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/permaculture message archives: http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/ Google message archive search: site: lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture [searchstring] Permaculture Institute USA http://permaculture.org A</pre> John D'hondt 2013-05-18T20:30:26 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.politics.activism.permaculture