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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Genghis Khan — 2013-06-06T08:55:29

On Wed, 5 Jun 2013 20:18:15 -0400
Joe Altman <freebsd< at >chthonixia.net> wrote:


I do not think anyone can really know if this is a vast majority of the
community or a few. Maybe most, unfortunately, are in a little fear to
express themselves and challenge GA. Maybe some, do not want to bother
arguing because of time constrains or because of other reasons. Perhaps
most who are against GA are not subscribed to this mailing-list.

I do not think it is possible to know how many do http://xkcd.com/610/


The linked comic is, in my opinion, a realisation of how political
parties being elected to parliaments the world over keep their power.

HARD: Shut up! Do not dare expressing your views! Besides, it is just
you and some few unknown others.

SOFT: It is a "wasted vote". Do make a difference with "us" (you are
not included). Enjoy (being silently depressed in your) life!

Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Brett Glass — 2013-06-06T02:42:49


For what? To market its expensive product?

The fact is that the project does NOT need this analysis, 
especially at the cost of
visitors' privacy. It sets a horrendous bad example and shows a 
flagrant disregard
for security.

--Brett Glass 

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-06-06T02:07:11

Which is?


May I ask all commenters to first read the discussions, so that they actually understand what the problem is and whether the web site needs GA?

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Joe Altman — 2013-06-06T00:18:15

Then you did not look.


Small, yes. Closed, not so much.


So, you are also deeptech71 at gmail.com?  If so, then you are what you
claim others are.

Why you felt compelled to offer people the opportunity to argue that you
are excessively mailing the lists by your act is not something I quite
understand, ESPECIALLY since you do, in fact, know of (having
participated in it) the discussion in question.

And FWIW, it's not the community that, AFAICT, arguing against GA. It's
a few people in that community who, apparently, don't wish to use any
sort of localhost mechanism to adress the issue. Again, FWIW: I would
prefer the FBSD project did not use GA; but it does and for good
reasons.  Weblog analysis is hard. Google, with its analytics, does it
well. The project needs that analysis.

As for localhost solutions, I accept no cookies from google and I run
Privoxy. WRT Privoxy, I'm self taught; and anyone who has a concern
about that sort of thing can do the same.

Joe
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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-06-05T18:07:46

1. I was unable to find any traces of such a discussion. Apparently, if there was a discussion, it was held between a small, closed group.

2. After the announcement, arguments were given by the community, that
    (a) the reasons in the announcement do not warrant the use of GA, and
    (b) there are good reasons why we should not use GA.
    These arguments were simply ignored.

People only annoy me when they point me to previous discussions -- ones that I have participated in -- or to the announcement.

Again, the announcement is not a reply to the community's arguments against GA. The opposite is true.
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Re: Farewell to fortune -o :(

William Palfreman — 2013-06-04T08:33:50

$ fortune -o
LIBRA (Sept 23 - Oct 22)
        You are the artistic type and have a difficult time with
        reality.  If you are a man, you are more than likely gay.
        Chances for employment and monetary gains are excellent.  Most
        Libra women are prostitutes.  All Libra people die of venereal
        disease.


On 04/06/2013, Jakub Lach <jakub_lach< at >mailplus.pl> wrote:
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Re: Farewell to fortune -o :(

John Hixson — 2013-06-03T22:49:17


=o(

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Farewell to fortune -o :(

Jakub Lach — 2013-06-03T22:20:41

I will miss them, for me they were right there
with- 

http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&amp;revision=238968

* http://svnweb.freebsd.org/base?view=revision&revision=248200



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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Genghis Khan — 2013-05-29T15:00:07

Google and the NSA Connection (short article + 04:38 minutes video)

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Google_and_the_NSA_Connection/26300/0/38/38/Y/M.html
http://www.batr.org/negotium/052913.html (source)

Document of NSA was changed on 2013-05-08 at 15:43 (40336257 bytes)
http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/Untangling_the_Web.pdf

Scanned document. Text search is not possible. 651 pages.

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Genghis Khan — 2013-05-27T17:11:53

On Mon, 27 May 2013 18:03:05 +0200
dt71< at >gmx.com wrote:


RIGHT ON!!! I love this statement!

For the record, I send my emails to others and to mailing lists through
Tor Proxy, to hide my IP from google, unless I know that the other end
is using an email that is not connected with gmail server (by the way,
the same applies to at&t, msn, yahoo, cox and the rest of email servers
of the biggest internet providers of us and uk, but I do it especially
because of google).

Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-05-27T16:37:33

OpenBSD is an operating system that focuses on security, and the non-use of GA on the openbsd.org website reflects this. It has been always thought that security is also a key point of FreeBSD. For example, the FreeBSD developers also believe in full disclosures, a (package set) usage reporter tool is made optional and highly-anonymous to users, and so on. Such is not the case with the main website of FreeBSD as of recent times: it now uses GA.

The BSD license imposes only a minimal legal burden on each individual user. In contrast, the GPL is viral and forces users to do certain things, but those things generally aim at supporting humanity as a whole, not a proprietary company like Google.

It is still hard to believe that a website developer of freebsd.org has broken the previously followed design and moral principles, and that this has not yet been "brought back into shape" by someone with appropriate power.

Perhaps others -- notably, the OpenBSD people and the FSF -- would like to hear about what direc

Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-05-27T16:03:05

Irrelevant. Most users have no idea how to practically avoid GA, or even worse: they do not understand the dangers in enriching a terrorist company with lots of user-behavioral data.

I would not be concerned about leaking my behavioral data, if that was the only thing that Google could get at, but that is not the case. Google uses <insert_random_person_here>'s data against <insert_another_random_person_here>, and that is made more and more possible with each case of a website using GA.
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RE: How can I commit to FreeBSD current (10.0)

Oded Shanoon — 2013-05-27T13:38:37

Can anyone tell me when is the FreeBSD 10.0 code freeze planned to take place?
I heard a rumor that it will be in the end of July. Is that true?

Regards,

Oded Shanoon
Ofed-FreeBSD team
Mellanox Technologies, Raanana


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To: Oded Shanoon
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Subject: Re: How can I commit to FreeBSD current (10.0)

On 15 April 2013 04:05, Oded Shanoon <odeds< at >mellanox.com> wrote:

Send the code to hackers< at > for review.  Once it has appropriate review send a PR (http://www.freebsd.org/send-pr.html).


By virtue of committing having push access, yes. :)


Prod the relevant mailing lists.  Try to avoid private mail as things tend to get lost and forgotten.


Not for a long time.  The next 8.x and 9.x release aren't done yet, and a schedule for 10.x hasn't been released yet.

New code gets settled in HEAD first anyways.


I hope this helped, feel free to reply if you have any other questions.

Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Genghis Khan — 2013-05-24T04:19:01

On Fri, 24 May 2013 06:15:32 +0930
Mike Trewartha <miketrewartha< at >gmail.com> wrote:


I firmly agree with Brett Glass.


Alternatives
------------
http://piwik.org/
http://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/369515-weekend-project-piwik-supercharges-site-analytics-with-open-source

Also http://www.incapsula.com/ which I have found at techbase.kde.org,
but I don't see it there, currently, so maybe this is not an
appropriate one.


Privoxy
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74.125.79.104
74.125.79.147
74.125.79.99
.appspot.com/
#.blogger./
.blogger.com/navbar\.g
#.blogspot./
.doubleclick.net/
.feedburner.*/
.feedburner.google./
.feedproxy.google./
.ggpht./
#.goo.gl/
.google.
.google.com/(calendar|reader)
#.google.com/reader/
.google-analytics./
.googleadservices./
#.googleapis./
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.googletagservices./
.googleusercontent./
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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

pete wright — 2013-05-24T02:39:56

similar security risks.

So I assume you are working on and/or sponsoring code and infrastructure
that matches GA?

Otherwise can we please put this bike shed to rest.

-pete
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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Brett Glass — 2013-05-24T00:40:09


Yes. A lot. FreeBSD should not facilitate violations of privacy or 
similar security risks.

--Brett Glass

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-05-23T22:17:44

Do you read?

On 05/23/2013 10:51, dt71< at >gmx.com wrote:

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Mike Trewartha — 2013-05-23T20:45:32

This has already been discussed:

http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-chat/2012-December/006809.html

On 24/05/2013, at 2:15 AM, dt71< at >gmx.com wrote:

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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

2013-05-23T16:45:33

Yes, but you knew that.
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Re: "injunction" on the use of GA

Jayton Garnett — 2013-05-23T08:55:55

Does it really matter?
On 23 May 2013 09:51, <dt71< at >gmx.com> wrote:

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