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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Agnieszka Kwiecien — 2013-05-22T08:55:11


Very nice article Phoebe, I'll try to expand the Polish version, which is
currently a stub.

I was recently working on a list of Polish women in botany and mycology,
and created the article with biography of Jadwiga Wołoszyńska:
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jadwiga_Wo%C5%82oszy%C5%84ska
She was the first women graduating the Lviv University.

Best regards,

Sex Ratios in Wikidata, Wikipedias, and VIAF

Ryan Kaldari — 2013-05-21T23:06:51

An interesting blog post about sex ratio data from Wikipedia and Wikidata:
http://hangingtogether.org/?p=2877

Interestingly, Wikidata only allows assigning a 'sex' to a person, not a 
'gender'.

Ryan Kaldari

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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Keilana — 2013-05-20T20:04:30

Phoebe, that's so cool! It's always nice to see other people working on
women scientists. :)

Myself, I've been taking a break from the scientific biography and working
on [[Blue Qur'an]] - it's such a beautiful manuscript and so unique!

kei


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What should we do about Wikipedia?

Andreas Kolbe — 2013-05-20T19:57:31

Hi all,

A really good piece by Martha Nichols and Lorraine Berry appeared today in
the online literary magazine, Talking Writing.

http://talkingwriting.com/what-should-we-do-about-wikipedia/

It quotes the opinions of several women writers and is a follow-up to both
Filipacchi's op-ed and the more recent Salon story:

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/17/revenge_ego_and_the_corruption_of_wikipedia/

Both are excellent reads.

Best,
Andreas
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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

phoebe ayers — 2013-05-20T18:53:14


That's very cool!

Lately I've been mostly spending my time planning events in the San
Francisco region: our Maker Faire booth was this past weekend, and we're
having an edit-a-thon on Sat 25 (you should come if you're in the area!)
And I'm giving a talk to a big group of librarians on Wednesday.

Editing-wise I've mainly been doing routine cleanup (and work on
Wikidata!)... I've been slowly working on longtime projects to reference
biographies of National Medal of Science winners and biographies of
scientists that are listed in the Dictionary of Scientific Biography,
focusing on the women. And I recently went on an article rating kick for
the engineering wikiproject (which needs some love!).

One neat thing: I recently stumbled across and did a little work on the
article about the amazing Dorothy Garrod:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Garrod
I love it when I come across a biography of someone that I knew nothing
about before and am just totally blown away by their work and career.

cheers,

Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Ryan Kaldari — 2013-05-20T17:18:53

Wow, that's an amazing list! I wish all artists had lists like that.

Ryan Kaldari

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Re: Images of radical feminist protests

Audrey Cormier — 2013-05-20T03:52:04

John,

That sounds like the best compromise. I haven't tried creating a gallery in Commons before, but I'll give it a try. I've come across a tool (Rillke) that looks like it will help me get it done.

Thank you for suggesting it!

Audrey



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Re: Images of radical feminist protests

John Vandenberg — 2013-05-20T02:51:13

Hi Audrey,

What you are describing sounds like a gallery on Wikimedia Commons.

See the following
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Galleries
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_create_a_gallery

The Wikipedia article can link to one or more of the galleries on
Wikimedia Commons...
.. and then the Wikipedia article should have a few of the best and
most relevant images, carefully selected by consensus to balance the
need to be informative (and sometimes a bit confronting) without
resorting to including soft porn in an encyclopedia gratuitously.


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WisCon?

Michael J. Lowrey — 2013-05-20T01:10:50

Anybody else going to be at WisCon next weekend? It's where I learned
of Wikipedia (it's Laura Quilter's fault), and certainly one of the
best places on the planet to discuss Gendergap-related issues.

Re: Images of radical feminist protests

Roberta F. — 2013-05-20T01:04:50

Audrey,

Anne got me right, as wikipedia articles need to be encyclopedia articles,
not image storage or directory. Images are welcome, but place for galleries
is on commons, not on wikipedia.
That's meaning of
Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory>,
hopefully that is now clear.

First sentence of first point of policy is "*Lists or repositories of
loosely associated topics*". Under Radical feminism lot of things can be
described.
One photo of women naked to some extent is ilustration of current state of
world democracy, but gallery of such photos is neither encyclopedic nor
informative.

Roberta

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Re: Images of radical feminist protests

Risker — 2013-05-19T17:55:19

I think perhaps Roberta's point would be that there needs to be an
encyclopedic reason for adding a particular image to a specific article.
So, for example, an image of a protest that occurred in Naples would fit
with "Feminism in Italy", but probably not as an illustration of Naples.
As a rule of thumb, images used in articles should be of subjects or
activities that are discussed in the article.

Risker/Anne


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Re: Images of radical feminist protests

Audrey Cormier — 2013-05-19T17:08:19

Roberta,

I'm afraid that I don't see where the "directory" aspect of policy is related this. If images are presented in the context of an article on radical feminism, there's no directory aspect, as far as I can tell. There's no list involved. The images can also be offensive to some people without including nudity, e.g., anti-Church, anti-clerical images, anti-male graffiti, etc.

And, depending upon the image, keeping it appropriate for all ages is up for debate, because not everyone decides what's appropriate for their children in exactly the same way. Say I include a photo of a pro-choice editorial cartoon for example that does not include nudity or graphic depictions of abortion, is that not age-appropriate? And for what age? And why not? It's veering into censorship. And Wikipedia is not censored. I suppose I should make the decision on my own. 

I suppose I also could've been clearer by pointing to specific images.

Audrey



disturbing photos/articles
Wikipedia as encyclopedia for all ages.
Gende

Re: Images of radical feminist protests

Roberta F. — 2013-05-19T14:30:36

In case of "shocking" or potentially disturbing photos/articles
we should just follow policy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory

and keep Wikipedia as encyclopedia for all ages.

Roberta


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Images of radical feminist protests

Audrey Cormier — 2013-05-19T14:09:48

I'm wondering what the thinking is among list members concerning photos depicting more militant feminist protest activity. 

I've been searching for images on Flickr that relate to feminism worldwide, and selecting some to copy to Commons. I've come across a few that are definitely in the radical end of the spectrum. The photos themselves range from "could be offensive to some people" (e.g. topless demonstrators) to "fully intended to be offensive to some/many people" (e.g. anti-male graffiti, posters dealing with menstruation). 

Now, it's one thing to discuss militancy in an article, it's another to see photos. They have documentary value, and I'm of the mind to go ahead and add them to the Radical feminism article. Since they were intended to shock, though, I do hesitate to do it. 

Would they serve an article well, or detract? Opinions?

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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Audrey Cormier — 2013-05-19T13:59:59

I've been creating articles about "Feminism in..." different countries, so far Germany and the Netherlands, and expanding Feminism in Italy. My ambition is to get through a few of these over the Summer. I'm enjoying the research, the history is always so different from country to country.

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Re: Category:Nude portrayals of computer technology

2013-05-19T13:34:42

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Re: start Porno related list?? can the Commons images thread move?

2013-05-19T13:23:45

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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Christine Meyer — 2013-05-18T21:32:48

This is the kind of thread I like... ;)

I've put myself in the Wikicup, so many of my edits are with the
competition in mind.  I have a FA ([[Heart of a Woman]], Maya Angelou's
fourth autobiography) that just passed, and I have four others languishing
at GAC.  I also have an Angelou featured topic that's getting close to
passing.  I've been reviewing a lot of GAs these days; for some reason, a
lot of basketball articles, a subject I know very little about.  (That's
the fun of reviewing articles--you get exposed to all kinds of new and
different topics.)  Fortunately, the article I'm currently reviewing for
GAC has gender-gap connections, [[Australia women's national wheelchair
basketball team at the 2012 Summer Paralympics]].  I recently reviewed
[[Cobi Crispin]], one of the major players for the Aussie team.  These
girls are very impressive.

The Wikicup has really tapped into my competitive streak.  We're currently
two weeks into the third round.  I easily passed the first, and stayed at
about hafl-way th

Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Emily Monroe — 2013-05-18T20:36:42

I tend to avoid AfC, and #wikipedia-en-help because the people who tend to
it also tend to really violate WP:OWN in a good-faith and incompetent
manner. I'm sure the majority of articles in AfC will eventually pass
muster, even if they don't when they are first reviewed. The few who can't
is what makes me very, very wary of helping with AfC backlog.

I tend towards new and random page patrol, and vandal fighting myself. I've
somewhat recently downloaded Huggle on my mac. There was some issues with
Huggle starting at first ("Huggle needed to shut down" kind of messages),
but since Wine Bottler updated, I haven't had any issues with that.

From,
Emily


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Re: Women on the list: what have you beeneditinglately?

Carol Moore DC — 2013-05-18T16:57:36

*Wow, I didn't even know it existed. So there actually are people who 
will create an article (of interest to them) if you put up some refs, 
maybe an outline.  I have a bunch of folders with that sort of thing 
just keeping adding refs to but never get around to...

Definitely something to help increase number of women-related articles 
(though not too many of mine are).

Or increase our ability to generate them, especially those who may be 
have more enthusiasm for the referencing stage than the writing and 
defending edits stages...

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Re: Women on the list: what have you been editinglately?

Jane Darnell — 2013-05-18T16:35:07

Good luck with the AfC backlog Sarah - it depresses me to just think
about that.

Here in Haarlem we are celebrating the 100 year anniversary of the
Frans Hals Museum. There are copies of Frans Hals paintings placed
strategically around town to show what the museum has to offer. One of
the men who is featured in 3 paintings in the museum was plastered all
over town in the bus stops on a poster. His portrait as an individual
is not here though, it's in Cincinnati. Haarlem basically only has the
group portraits left, the rest have all left town. There are still
over 70 people featured in those group portraits though, and I thought
it would be cool to reunite them on wiki with their individual
portraits.

After talking about it for 2 years, I have finally created the list of
Frans Hals paintings, and though I promised myself I would be done by
the museum's "birthday" of May 14th, of course people keep reminding
me now about other paintings to include.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_paintings_by_Frans_Hal