http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29163 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Peter Santiago 2008-10-11T17:14:26 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29162 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Elmer Claveria 2008-10-10T15:46:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29161 Hello Mac, On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:32 AM, mac borje <mac.borje-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: It is (or was?) the bug of the sky2 driver. I encountered a similar problem before using the Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller that also uses a sky2 driver. The best thing you can do is to check the latest sky2 driver from http://git.kerne.org/ if the multiple problems with the said driver has been fixed already. If yes then I suggest that you upgrade and compile your own kernel with the latest sky2 driver. If not then you don't have a choice but to wait until it is fixed. Regards, Marvin _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Marvin Pascual 2008-10-10T15:39:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29160 Whew, "patent" is a heated word! If I would guess correctly, the OP is building commercial "packaged" products out of open source. I suggest also filing for a trademark with the Intellectual Property Office if you want to protect the brand name - unique I hope! This is a Good Thing(tm), unlike software patents. _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Miguel Paraz 2008-10-10T03:28:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29159 If you reread the article, you'll note it commits a logical fallacy of some sort (I need to brush up on my college logic). http://services.inquirer.net/mobile/08/10/09/html_output/xmlhtml/20081009-165459-xml.html The article basically says: (1) Website Foo was compromised (hacked). (2) Server operating systems are easily compromised. (3) Linux is a server-based operating system. Conclusion? Nowhere in the article is it directly mentioned what server OS the MILF website is running on. I think the same thing happened with the Inquirer story about your company. The article made a great fallacious logical leap that wasn't justified by the available facts. I wouldn't be too hard on the reporter though. I once worked as a newspaper deskman, and I know that sometimes what the reporter submitted bears little resemblance to what eventually gets published. I suspect that that line about Linux was inserted by one of the desk(wo)men to make the article look "meatier" (magmukhang may sinasabi). ____________________ Slim Joe 2008-10-10T02:45:18 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29158 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph KRTorio 2008-10-10T02:06:09 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29157 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Glennix glennix 2008-10-10T01:16:21 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29156 I'm not surprised at all with this. Inquirer.net has a track record of publishing sensationalized IT reports, the last of which was the news that the company I am with is investing P200M to a local startup. The P200M is true for sure but its not just for a single entity. Jerome Gotangco 2008-10-10T01:15:04 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29155 I was also thinking that maybe a letter to the editor might be another way. It will address both the Inquirer editors and writers and the public. Dong _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Dong Calmada 2008-10-10T00:53:57 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29154 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Rommel Asibal 2008-10-10T00:41:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29153 A check with Netcraft of the MILF site shows that when it was hacked, the site was hosted by a Windows/IIS-6.0 server in Malaysia. The Inquirer was quite irresponsible in its accusation of Linux as the culprit, when it has not even verified the facts of the case. The hacking was reported on October 9, when www.luwaran.com was being hosted by Microsoft IIS-6.0, unless the hacking actually happened after Sept 15 but before October 9, when the website was being hosted by Linux-Apache: ******** Hosting History of www.luwaran.com Netblock Owner//IP address//OS//Web Server//Last changed Telekom Multimedia of Telekom Malaysia Berhad Telekom Exchange II, Jalan Lingkaran Fauna 63000 Cyberjaya, Selangor, MALAYSIA//202.71.104.230//unknown//Microsoft-IIS/6.0//9-Oct-2008 Telekom Multimedia of Telekom Malaysia Berhad Telekom Exchange II, Jalan Lingkaran Fauna 63000 Cyberjaya, Selangor, MALAYSIA//202.71.102.229//Linux//Apache/2.2.9 Fedora//15-Sep-2008 Telekom Multimedia of Telekom Malaysia Berhad Telekom Exchange II, Pablo Manalastas 2008-10-09T22:31:07 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29152 Yeah, but read the next statement: " In July last year, the website of Davao-based independent news organization, Mindananews (www.mindanews.com), was also hacked." This gives a new meaning to the phrase "Prone to hacking" doesn't it. On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Michael Mondragon <iam-IF+u2uHgIDf5+ftHZjFc13dH8wOhNw5B< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Renz 2008-10-09T18:23:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29151 While it's true that under the Intellectual Property Code software per se cannot be patented, to the extent that software has a (patentable) technical effect, it can be covered by patents. This limited exception, in contrast to the US IP system that permits the patenting of software and business methods, is recognized in the EU, Japan, and, surprisingly, in our country too. I attended a patent conference last year co-sponsored by the IPO and an expert from the IPO said/confirmed that software-related patents which have a technical effect can be patented. I also heard that there are pending applications for software-related patents with the IPO. There is some logic in allowing for patent protection for software-related inventions. For example, if an innovative, patentable device is composed of both hardware and software (which in the 21st century is likely the case), then the software component of the device should also be protected under IP law, together with its hardware. It is in the process of working wi bongdizon-w0mUUlRbAh8< at >public.gmane.org 2008-10-09T18:17:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29150 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Roger Filomeno 2008-10-09T07:56:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29149 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Holden Hao 2008-10-09T06:37:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29148 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Danny Ching 2008-10-09T06:03:02 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29147 you might want to pledge[1][2] your patent to open source if ever you'll be granted with one elsewhere. that way you'll be perceived as less evil :-) I don't think software patents would generally just go away. But let's just hope there'll be a reform ;-) http://www.google.com/search?q=open+source+patent+pledge http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/pat_owned.php http://www.gnu.org/patent-examp/patent-examples.html http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=16611&channel=business&section= http://www.paulgraham.com/softwarepatents.html On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, KRTorio <krtorio-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Ariz Jacinto 2008-10-09T05:53:29 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29146 We do commit mistakes, that's normal after all we're all human. But probably you need to be more careful :) Anyway, those who answered did their best in explaining about patent. Kudos to those people. For patents and copyright, a very short description here: http://www.uspto.gov/go/tac/doc/basic/trade_defin.htm Cheers, Mike On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:34 PM, KRTorio <krtorio-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: Michael Mondragon 2008-10-09T05:44:14 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29145 It's biased. Nevertheless, there's no perfect system after all. Cheers, Mike On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Gideon N. Guillen <gideon_list-3OsRDFETSphAfugRpC6u6w< at >public.gmane.org> wrote: _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Michael Mondragon 2008-10-09T05:41:40 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29144 _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph KRTorio 2008-10-09T05:34:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.philippine/29143 Regarding MILF's hacked website: http://services.inquirer.net/mobile/08/10/09/html_output/xmlhtml/20081009-165459-xml.html "Server systems, particularly those using open source Linux and other Unix-based operating system, are prone to hacking." _________________________________________________ Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List http://lists.linux.org.ph/mailman/listinfo/plug Searchable Archives: http://archives.free.net.ph Gideon N. 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