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Re: Open NMS

Jeff Best — 2008-10-07T14:01:29

Thursday night Oct. 9th at 7pm. Myself and co-worker or two will be at LBC Harrisburg. Tarus Balog an OpenNMS maintainer will be there with us. If anyone else wants the chance to ask some questions on OpenNMS or open source projects let me know by tomorrow night (Wednesday Oct. 8th)and I'll reserve a bigger table. Jeff B. http://www.lbcharrisburg.com/Menu.html If anyone is interested... The week of Oct 6th - 10th Tarus Balog, an OpenNMS maintainer will be in town on helping us tweak our system. If there is enough interest we could have an unofficial cplug meeting at one evening ABC or LBC or Panera.... So let me know and I'll pull something together. Jeff B.

daily summary attachment names

Marion, Peter — 2008-10-06T14:06:34

Is there any way that the attached emails in the daily summary can, once again, show the topic? CPLUG_####.eml is very inconvenient when I only want to track specific threads. This only changed fairly recently. Thanks -- Peter D. Marion | Security Architecture Unit Department of Public Welfare, Information Systems, Technology Engineering DGS Annex Complex 2 Willow Oak Bldg 42, Rm 435 1006 Hemlock Drive | Harrisburg, PA 17105-3595 Phone: (717) 214-6581 | Fax: (717) 772-6419 Email: pmarion-E4LN+yEt1ExzbRFIqnYvSA< at >public.gmane.org www.dpw.state.pa.us NOTICE: This confidential message/attachment contains information intended for a specific individual(s) and purpose. Any inappropriate use, distribution or copying is strictly prohibited. If received in error, notify the sender and immediately delete the message. ________________________________ From: cplug+help-n/VI1dMKjLJeoWH0uzbU5w< at >public.gmane.org [mailto:cplug+help-n/VI1dMKjLJeoWH0uzbU5w< at >public.gmane.org] Sent: Monday, Oc

Fwd: [clue-tech] Happy Birthday Linux

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-05T18:50:49

:-) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [clue-tech] Happy Birthday Linux Date: Sunday 05 October 2008 11:45 From: "Jed S. Baer" public.gmane.org> To: clue-tech-yb90uu6a9SlM656bX5wj8A< at >public.gmane.org 17 years ago today: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.minix/msg/2194d253268b0a1b -- _______________________________________________ clue-tech mailing list clue-tech-yb90uu6a9SlM656bX5wj8A< at >public.gmane.org http://www.cluedenver.org/mailman/listinfo/clue-tech -------------------------------------------------------

OT: More Free/Cheap Stuff

Chris Moates — 2008-10-04T21:33:11

In my never ending quest to try and get rid of excess hardware, I'm posting the following spreadsheet containing items I would like to get rid of. http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p3sxTSydKeAExTgjTfRLWWg&hl=en Everything is first come, first serve. Please email me to reserve an item. Strong preference given to people willing to come pick things up, as opposed to wait for the next meeting. I will continue to post items to this page, and will post again once everything is on the list for this round. Chris

Re: [OT] Looking for practical application of C++ for bro

Robert Altenburg — 2008-10-04T13:25:54

Why not program a game from scratch. It need not be complex or original. Over the years I've done several version of the old "Pillbox" game where two cannons take turns shooting over a mountain. Or, for more graphics, "spacewar" where two ships orbit a star and shoot back and forth. Either example is interesting because you need to learn some basic physics in addition to the programming, but there are tons of other game ideas out there. With a game, you can also play it when you are done. -- Rob On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 5:39 AM, Jerod Lycett public.gmane.org> wrote:

Fwd: [Electronics_101] Re: XMOS

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-03T00:41:42

Embedded linux, cool stuff... :-) ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: [Electronics_101] Re: XMOS Date: Thursday 02 October 2008 18:37 From: "rtstofer" public.gmane.org> To: Electronics_101-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org --- In Electronics_101-hHKSG33TihhbjbujkaE4pw< at >public.gmane.org, "Herbert E. Plett" ...> wrote: So does Linux on a 40 pin DIP http://www.tincantools.com/ Richard http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Electronics_101/ -------------------------------------------------------

OT: Career opportunities at Fort Indiantown Gap

David J. Hand — 2008-10-02T17:03:12

The company I work for, Computer Sciences Corporation, is seeking individuals to fill several positions at Fort Indiantown Gap, Annville, PA including one in my shop. You can see the listings by visiting this page... http://www.csc.com/mms/careersus/en/mcs/mcs4380/uploads/jo_us.shtml ...and drilling down through the following in the location fields... USA PA: PENNSYLVANIA FT INDIANTOWN GAP Good luck doing this on linux...It worked for me yesterday, not today though (for some unknown reason, which I don't have time to figure out). Flames to /dev/null. Anyway, In my shop we are looking for a SimTech2. This is someone who repairs and maintains flight simulators and/or ground vehicle simulators. Electronics repair and maintenance experience is required; digital, analog, and power systems to name a few. Computer experience is required; dos, linux, unix, windows. Hydraulics experience is desireable. You must be able to climb stairs and ladders, etc. You must be able to obtain/maintain a DoD secret

Re: old hardware

Scott Loveless — 2008-10-02T14:40:29

Ron Meinsler wrote: > I don't think that you have to think "lightweight distro" if you're not > installing X and all you want to do is small mail and gopher server. If > it were mine I'd put a base install of Debian woody from floppies and > the network that you can download here: > http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists/woody/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ Thanks for all the replies folks, on and off list. Much appreciated. I still haven't located that dang laptop, so I'm going ahead with a slightly newer machine - Toshi Satellite 700MHz Celly. Thanks again!

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-02T02:05:00

I remember seeing something in Linux Journal, might've been about that but I'm not 100% certain of it. The date on that article makes it more likely. But maybe some of that older stuff would work as dedicated boxes for some functions? It was in the discussion of TV that the 486 and 586 were first mentioned. I have a couple of 5x86/133 boards, they seem to zip along quite nicely for what they are. I also have a fair amount of Socket 7 stuff too. I just haven't hit on any specific apps that got me moving quite yet, excepting that firewall/router... I don't toss those either. In fact, one of the things I was hinting at in my earlier post is that I tend to collect such stuff. And occasionally try to get it into the hands of someone that can use it. Or, in the case of non-computer electronics, I often scrap stuff and do things with the parts (old VCRs are great for some things). About the only thing I'll exclude from that are monitors and TVs because the county makes it a problem to d

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Alex Barger — 2008-10-02T01:35:07

Agreed that clustering 486s would not be worth the overhead. There was a PS2 clustering test that was done, and they were able to crank out a better giga-flops per kilowatt of power usage then traditional server equipment of the similar cpu speed. Having a hard time finding a site on this one (maybe on wikipedia) Here is a link with some info: http://www.ncsa.edu/News/Access/Releases/03Releases/05.27.03_Playing_th.html Although it is not practical for one to go out and buy all those PS2s and the Linux kits.... but it just helps substantiate the argument that 486s are really only practical for embedded systems anymore. (as Roy T eluded to). As far as uses for a 486... They could be used as a software PLC or embeded controller. You could use it as a toy for kids. Lots of education things out there. I didn't have a hard time tossing my 486s. I have a hard time tossing the Pentium 2 400mhz systems. I feal like I am throwing away 1/5th of a pentium 4 system. Oh well. Let's think green and recycle that stuff!!

Re: LinuxMCE Website

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-02T00:51:05

That's something that I have yet to be able to find any solid info on, for some reason. And I distinctly recall seeing at least one writer saying that you'd be able to continue to use the same antenna, though of course one writer saying that doesn't necessarily mean all that much. Ok, I'll have a look.

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-02T00:46:10

I don't recall the details of many of them offhand without digging into some of the emails I received on the subject. "might have worked" is what I said there, not "will work" but maybe putting an entry into the iptables setup would be one way of dealing with it. At least in the instance of blocking one particular site, which is what I was dealing with -- we had a family member that decided to start downloading a movie using limewire...

Re: LinuxMCE Website

Bob Igo — 2008-10-02T00:22:12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roy J. Tellason wrote: Probably. In most cases I've come across, channel availability goes up when switching from NTSC to ATSC, mostly because digital signals can be crystal clear at lower Signal/Noise ratios. You may need to get a different antenna to handle a different arrangement of VHF/UHF channels, though, since broadcasters won't continue to use the same spectrum. (That's actually the whole point of the FCC doing this, to clear a large chunk of wasteful analog spectrum and sell it for mad cash.) Go to antennaweb.org to see what your local broadcasters are using, and how far away they are. It'll give you a sense of what you'd need to capture ATSC signals. - -- Bob Igo StormLogic -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI5BQ065uO8u5kvxoRAjxAAJ9BNwHojy3QdiKy/iKjArSwtC+VBQCfRauB GX+3QmWr3aXVdkF94dMB+DQ= =GKFa -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Chuck Vohs — 2008-10-01T22:52:01

Roy J. Tellason wrote: What are some of them that will work on an old box? --el cheapo fuzzie

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-01T21:00:15

I know that some of the ones I'm seeing are mighty small all right, though I haven't looked into what they're rated at. The original IBM AT supply was 67 watts, but wouldn't support any of the hard drives of the day. I have yet to do anything at all with SATA stuff. The trend in HDs seems to continue to be toward lower power consumption, though, that I've noticed. Just the startup current for some of the older drives was *way* up there, in excess of 6A for some of them.

Re: LinuxMCE Website

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-01T20:50:44

That's less than I had thought... No cable or dish here. Will one of those tuner cards work with a pair of rabbit ears? I suppose something a little better isn't totally out of the question...

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-01T20:49:11

As we touched on briefly in conversation, content filtering is something that I've not really gotten into, though I started to look at it not all that long ago. There seemed to be a number of different approaches that were workable, and some of them might even have worked on that old box. And cheaper, too, since people are throwing these machines away. I put this one into place when I'd stupidly forgotten to plug the last one into any sort of surge protection and a thunderstorm took it out -- that one was a 386dx40 with an 80M HD that still had room left over after adding swap and all the software I needed, use was 60-some-odd percent. Agreed, though I don't have a real need for that sort of thing at present, there not being all that many machines on the network here and I don't see that increasing all that much. I know of mutt and others, and have used elm in the past. Never did anything with IM/IRC though. The grandkids seem to like it, and even though I've not installed any

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Bob K Mertz — 2008-10-01T20:37:20

On Oct 1, 2008, at 4:26 PM, Roy J. Tellason wrote: Well, with today's high end video cards and extra stuff a lot of systems need 400+ watts but the majority of that isn't from the mainboard. Even AMD Opteron CPUs only pull something like 70 watts. You can also figure that most of the Gateway, Compaq, and Dell Pentium 3 computers shipped with 90 watt power supplies. Personally, I had never seen a 90 watt power supply before the P3 era (not to say that they didn't exist) so one might deduce that a 90 watt power supply would not be able to run an older 486 machine. Another thing to take into account is the hard drive -- even if it is just one. The newer SATA drives are much more lax on power when compared to older IDE hard drives. If you listen to an old hard drive you can almost hear the power being wasted :)

Re: LinuxMCE Website

Bob Igo — 2008-10-01T20:36:51

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Roy J. Tellason wrote: 4.5GB/hr - 7.6GB/hr for 1080i video. Maybe 1-2GB/hr for SDTV. It all depends on how much you want to store. Analog broadcast will end in February 2009, so an NTSC card would have to be used for analog cable capture or to capture digital (cable or satellite) that was sent through a D/A conversion on a set-top box. If you want to record broadcasts after February 2009, you'd need an ATSC capture device. - -- Bob Igo StormLogic -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFI499i65uO8u5kvxoRApDVAJ9r2RFK1oCy4COBw93D4Tg9ekWQRQCdHCEU 8AZJCAFkHOhcb7hzfZopyAE= =2SKX -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Chris Moates — 2008-10-01T20:36:35

Simple firewalls still run well on older hardware, as you well know. Content filtering firewalls are another matter though. Since most folks just need NAT, it's a reasonable solution, and far more configurable than a $50 router from Wal-Mart. Along similar lines, that level of hardware is good for a router as well. For someone to learn networking, or build a more complex configuration inside their home, this kind of hardware is adequate. A linux kernel will run on them, so any console-based application is probably going to be fine. bitlbee, for example, is a full featured console IM/IRC client, that could be used on this type of hardware. Same goes for mutt, a text based mail client. While you couldn't surf the web, you could certianly do IM and email. A server to read RFID keys from badge readers and grant access to doors would be perfectly suited for this smaller hardware. I think if you look at many of the embedded platforms out there, they are dealing with hardware that's not significantly faster tha

Re: Clustering Old Hardware (Was: LinuxMCE Website)

Roy J. Tellason — 2008-10-01T20:26:34

I've heard people say things like that before, and yet those old 486 boxes seldom had power supplies in 'em that were all that hefty, compared to newer stuff. ATX boxes seem to be typically 300W or higher, and AT boxes tend to be 200W or lower in most cases that I'm aware of. Not that the capability of the supply is necessarily all that reliable an indication of how much power it'll actually draw, anyhow. And if not clustering (and I have at least 4 of those machines like the one I'm currently using, probably at least that many MBs too :-) are there any linux-based applications for which an old box like that makes sense? That's also a part of what I was getting at there.