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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

2012-05-23T23:55:42

What's wrong with John's creek?

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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Bob Toxen — 2012-05-23T23:42:56

Pick a place close to an express bus, preferable a bus to the end of a
MARTA train.  There's also a bus from John's Creek if that area
interests you.  (John's Creek is Fulton County, which should be avoided
for tax reasons.  Consider Cobb or Gwinnett.)  The Duluth Malls probably
would interest your wife.

While on bus and train, you have time to read, hack on your laptop, etc.
However, the bus will be in traffic just as driving - but you can use
the time.

Consider near to the end of the MARTA trains, Sandy Springs or somewhat
close to Doraville or Brookhaven (Brookhaven is pricy now and crime in
Doraville city is a problem).

I live in southern Duluth near Peachtree Industrial, and there's a great
back way to the Doraville train station.  That has worked very well for
me in the past.  You have greater flexibility in location, of course.

Bob

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Re: bash commands

Lightner, Jeff — 2012-05-23T21:02:13

Maybe we did.  To be clear - we do have the UNIX admins use sudo to switch to root rather than logging in directly. 

I was noting however that is POLICY rather than something enforced at system level because there are times when one simply has to login as root (usually on the console) due to issues preventing non-root users from logging in and/or preventing sudo from working.   The policy was something I suggested and implemented both here and at my previous job. 

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Subject: Re: [ale] bash commands

Hi Jeff,

I think maybe we are just missing each other's point.  My point about switching to application accounts is that if you already have a process for people to use sudo to switch to those accounts, then using the same process for admin users to switch to root would simplify the things you need to think about, and you get the extra ben

Re: bash commands

Brian Mathis — 2012-05-23T20:34:28

Hi Jeff,

I think maybe we are just missing each other's point.  My point about
switching to application accounts is that if you already have a
process for people to use sudo to switch to those accounts, then using
the same process for admin users to switch to root would simplify the
things you need to think about, and you get the extra benefits of
using sudo with no drawbacks other than changing an old habit.

I've worked in places where some UNIX people felt it was a badge of
honor to have the root password (and indeed used the root account for
everything they did, like email, etc...).  I'm not saying this is your
situation, but it's the type of thing I think about when people seem
to oppose a change like this when there really is so little downside.


❧ Brian Mathis


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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Scott Castaline — 2012-05-23T19:43:24

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On 05/23/2012 10:23 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:
Gwinnett County has express buses that go from the Lawrenceville,
Duluth area to somewhere downtown Atl. There are a lot of people using
these so they do get crowded. I rent a house in the Lawrenceville area
in a non HOA sub-division.


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Re: bash commands

Lightner, Jeff — 2012-05-23T18:12:27

I didn't accuse you of not being a SysAdmin  or working in your dorm room - I responded to the implication that possibly I wasn't one.   (Stating things like only right thinking people believe blah blah blah  implies that the person you're responding to is not a "right thinking person".)

Do I reread an entire thread every time I responding to the latest post in it.  No.  Do you?   Is there a reason you feel you have to get personal?   If so let me reciprocate.

I fear you are being deliberately obstinate in your refusal to see a difference.    The difference between the root account and application specific accounts is vast.   DBAs by and large need access to databases which are owned by DB specific accounts.   Application specialists often need to share access to specific applications but nothing else.   Giving diverse groups access via sudo to only those accounts they need limits them to those particular areas of responsibility without giving them full access to all other areas on the system as root would

Re: DeKalb County School Board candidacy announcement

Brian Stanaland — 2012-05-23T17:14:50

I also wish you luck in the election process and on the board. I'm hopeful
any success you have at making DeKalb schools better trickles over to
Coweta.

--Brian

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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Jay Lozier — 2012-05-23T14:55:14

There are several expresses buses from Cobb and Cherokee (Marietta,
Kennesaw, Woodstock, and Canton) with free parking available at the bus
stop. Check GRTA and CCT websites for information. I have ridden the
express buses from both, not recently. They do connect directly with
MARTA, you often will need a free transfer.

Re: Vmware esxi 3.5 root password lost

Justin Goldberg — 2012-05-23T15:53:14

Thanks for the help. I had read that it requires a NIC with support for
tagging (like certain HP NICs per wikipedia), but I was thinking with my
windows cap on.

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Re: bash commands

Brian Mathis — 2012-05-23T15:36:34

You clearly still haven't read or referred back to my original post,
so I will quote it here:
    You still need to keep track of the root password, but
    now you can set it to some long random string and keep
    it locked in a safe* somewhere

This deals with the issue of getting into a system in an emergency,
and frankly, this is such an obvious objection that I addressed it in
my first reply.  * I'm using the word "safe" here to refer to any
secure method of storage.

As far as application accounts vs the root account, what's the
difference, other than creating a special one-off policy that only
applies to root?  A sysadmin has to manage resources and policies
(which it seems I wasn't clear enough about) and every special case
policy is another thing you need to manage.  If you use the same
policy for as many cases as possible, especially given the clear
advantages, then that's a win for increasing efficiency and in this
case, security.


❧ Brian Mathis

P.S. You make a poor mind reader in this insta

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Jeff Gehlbach — 2012-05-23T15:13:38

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On 05/23/2012 09:42 AM, leam hall wrote:


This is five year-old information, so please verify.

I live in Marietta just off the square.  I used to drive the two miles
from home to park-and-ride lot of the CCT transfer station near the
SPSU campus.  There I'd pick up the 101 CCT/GRTA express service
(truly express, no stops, comfortable coaches full of people who
smelled about like me) to Civic Center station.  When I worked in
midtown, I could walk the remaining half-mile on nice days or transfer
(free) to MARTA train, ride to the next stop, and step off the
escalator into the building where I worked.  Very nice.

When I later worked in Buckhead, I continued to take the 101 express
to Civic Center, adding in a North Springs train to Buckhead station
and either walking the remaining 3/4 mile or taking the Buc shuttle.
This got to be a bit much on days when I was in a rush, but still beat
driving in most of the time.

There are equivalent GRTA/CCT express service

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

leam hall — 2012-05-23T14:30:49

I've driven in downtown Philly, DC, Rome, and Munich. Everything I've
heard of ATL seems to make it sound worse.   :)

The train seems to be a good idea for downtown work. However, I'm
still running off assumptions and few facts. I really appreciate all
the stuff you guys are saying!

Leam

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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Lightner, Jeff — 2012-05-23T14:24:25

I drive to Chattanooga fairly often and can say that going up I-75 in the afternoon though slow does move for the most part.     However, I often try to leave at 4 PM to avoid the brunt of it.

When I worked in Alpharetta coming down 400 in the afternoon was so horrible that I often waited until 6 PM or 7 PM to leave the office as I'd get home just as soon.    Unfortunately there are no good back road routes - driving across from 400 to 75 (or 575) was always slower than driving all the way down to 285 and going back up 75.   By all accounts it has gotten even worse in the years since I left that job.   The latest idea of using the shoulder on 400 shows how bad it is and how desperate traffic managers are for ANY idea no matter how bad.

However, Cobb County, doesn't have Marta trains so the OP's post about getting on red line makes me think he wants to do train part of the way.   Cobb does have CCT which will do transfers to Marta but I don't know the details of if they have any express busses that will go

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Jay Lozier — 2012-05-23T14:23:38

Depending on how you plan to commute - car or bus - you could live in
Cobb and Cherokee County and ride the bus in from Marietta, Kennesaw,
Woodstock, and Canton. If you are driving the Chattohoochee crossings
are major problem and traffic tends to back up around them.

Re: bash commands

Lightner, Jeff — 2012-05-23T14:17:31

I disagree that UNIX admins shouldn't know the root password.   Sometimes the only way to get into a system is via root on the console.   (Of course I'm talking about without first doing a reboot - sometimes a reboot is the worst thing you can do.)   By POLICY admins shouldn't login as root directly except in cases where they must but taking the root password away from admins in my view is just asking for extended downtime when major issues occur.

The paragraph you mention as contradictory wasn't - the admin accounts I was speaking of were application specific and NOT the root account itself.

After 21 years I think I'm probably safe in calling myself a SysAdmin.  Heck I even have a certificate from RedHat that calls me a "Certified System Administrator" :-)   (Thats on top of tons of training on various other flavors of UNIX and associated applications and hardware such as NetBackup. EMC and Hitachi.)

You point about management vs administrator is a bit specious.  Certainly SysAdmins are expected to "mana

Re: bash commands

Brian Mathis — 2012-05-23T13:44:03


I understand how the purpose of sudo seems somewhat muddy -- after
all, all we UNIX folk like to think of each tool as having only one
purpose, unless it's a programming language or something.  Sudo can be
unclear because it provides a few different functions:
    - Limit users to running only some commands as root
    - Provide an audit trail of who executes what commands as root
    - Remove the need for anyone to know the root password
Those who don't like the idea of sudo often grab onto one or two of
these uses to make a point, but completely ignore the others.




You seem to be confusing "Management" with "those who manage".  If
you're a sysadmin then you are in the second category, at least you
better be otherwise you're just a techie who happens to get paid for
it.  As already stated, sudo is a very big help to anyone managing
root passwords.  Please see my previous email about this.

No one should be using shared accounts or know the root password,
because whenever the team changes you have to ch

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Geoffrey Myers — 2012-05-23T13:42:19

Then I'd suggest NW of Atlanta.  I'm in Cobb county and although i75 is 
ugly in the morning, it's not as bad as this discription of 400.

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

leam hall — 2012-05-23T13:42:17

My wife likes mountains and I like scuba diving. There's at least one
lake up there where I can dive, and hopefully more to be found. NW or
NE aren't as critical at the moment, but I'm sure as I learn more
things will become relevant. If my hypothetical employer wants to fund
for some more college I certainly won't complain.   :)

Still looking for thoughts and ideas.

Leam

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Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Geoffrey Myers — 2012-05-23T13:38:36

Tennessee...

Actually, it varies.  Also depends on whether you want NW or NE of 
Atlanta.  I lived in a subdivision on Lake Alatoona for a few years.  No 
HOA, but was on a septic system.

Just a bit south of there is the Towne Lake area which contains a number 
of subdivisions all of which have HOAs.

Probably have to be as far as Cumming or some such in the NE.

Re: [OT] Life north of ATL?

Jim Kinney — 2012-05-23T13:24:33

traffic pattern is worst in metro area for that travel direction unless
it's a second shift position.

Anything heading generally toward perimeter from outside it in morning is
bad traffic. Average speed on 400 southbound at 8:15am is <25 mph every day
within 8 miles of I-285..

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Re: bash commands

Geoffrey Myers — 2012-05-23T13:16:33

Had a client do something similar.  Gave me 'sudo gdb'.  Guess what 
folks, at the gdb prompt, type: shell