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Pakistan internet user base

Inspirex — 2013-04-27T07:45:21

Over the past few years, there seems to have a a continuous meteoric rise
in the number of internet users in Pakistan, as reported by various sources
and the same are often cited in PTA and other policy documents.

These sources include the ITU, The World Bank, and sometimes often the PTA
itself.

The latest numbers that seem to be going around is approximately 29 million.
Source: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/pakistan/internet-users-wb-data.html


If the ITU's definition of "internet users" is the source of this value,
then it seems we are relying on nothing more than a very vague statistical
reference that seems to be misstating the real size of internet users that
use the internet regularly and face the risk of grossly oversizing the
market when planning for products / service development.

The ITU's definition of internet users is:

"4212 Estimated Internet users
The estimated number of Internet users out of total population. This
includes
those using the Internet from any device (including mobile phon

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Faisal Khan — 2013-04-26T05:47:56

UBL's system is okay, but they will process Verified by Visa or SecureCode
by Mastercard transactions *only*.


Warm Regards,

Faisal Khan

http://about.me/faisal.khan


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Imtiaz Ahmed <baibers.imtiaz< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Faisal Khan — 2013-04-25T11:00:34

Money Exchange Companies. Typically the transfer is done via Dubai and
onwards. Some banks (with whom you have a relationship) do, do it, but then
they also use money exchange companies. The common issue is, money coming
into Pakistan has almost no resistance, but money flowing out, has a large
inertia to it.


Warm Regards,

Faisal Khan

http://about.me/faisal.khan


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Rizwan Sarwar <rsarwar< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Imtiaz Ahmed — 2013-04-25T11:14:58

Here one query; why PayPal stop in Pakistan?

Where is PKI ? And who who will manage it? 

NiFT is active as payment clearing house; how it can be leveraged?

GoP support for E-Commerce ?

Regards

--
IMTIAZ AHMED


On 25-Apr-2013, at 15:58, Rizwan Sarwar <rsarwar< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Sheikh Usman N. — 2013-04-25T11:19:02

< at >Rizwan, you can try any reputed forex company.


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Rizwan Sarwar <rsarwar< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Inspirex — 2013-04-25T13:24:45

UBL launched a merchant banking system recently  as well. Pretty quietly,
but they did do it.

Best.

Imtiaz N.
 On Apr 25, 2013 3:58 PM, "Rizwan Sarwar" <rsarwar< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Muneeb Ahmed — 2013-04-25T14:35:22

The best option i believe to transfer funds abroad from Pakistan would be
using Online Payment Processors like Paypal -- Well paypal is not allowed
for Pakistan which is yet another tragedy other than no electricity and
unstable economy! --- but there are alternatives you can use that is
Moneybookers.com ( now known as Skrill ), you can upload funds to it via
your Credit Card or bank deposit and send to the other party living abroad
and they later can withdraw to their bank account and can get payments
within 2-3 days.

For the payment gateway for Pakistani business owners, i run few websites
that i'm looking to integerate payment gateways for Pakistani's to pay for
the product and services that my site has to offer and i've seen a service
by UBL - Green ( https://www.ubldirect.com/corporate/ublgogreen.aspx ) but
i've not yet tried this, you might wanna look into it yourself before you
fall for everything i say : P


Good luck


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Rizwan Sarwar <rsarwar< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Rizwan Sarwar — 2013-04-25T10:58:01

bit off topic, however wanted to know what are the options to transfer
funds out of pakistan? Banks don't seem to be very helpful and want to
charge enormous fees.

What is experience of business and individuals who want to transfer funds
abroad?

/Riz


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 11:34 AM, Haris Shamsi <haris.shamsi< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Haris Shamsi — 2013-04-25T10:34:35

Thanks Faisal -

/HS


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Faisal Khan <babushka99< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Faisal Khan — 2013-04-25T10:24:11

There are no restrictions and/or guidelines and/or any sort of regulatory
framework for you (as an end-user) to use a payment gateway that is in
Pakistan or outside of Pakistan.

The only thing you need to be cognisant about is the income you derive from
this gateway, whilst say being registered in Pakistan as a business. How
you treat this inward income and money would be an answer best answered by
your Tax consultant.


Warm Regards,

Faisal Khan

http://about.me/faisal.khan


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Haris Shamsi <haris.shamsi< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Haris Shamsi — 2013-04-25T10:03:07

Thanks Tariq Bhai, I heard Visa is also pushing Cybersource in Pakistani
market.

 However i just want to under stand that if today i choose a GW hosted
outside, is there any implication on this or any guideline from FBR state
bank ?

/HS


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Tee Emm <tariq.mustafa< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Tee Emm — 2013-04-25T05:59:34

NIB announced yesterday that they are going to establish MiGS in Pakistan
in the coming months.



Tariq Mustafa - 03458237788 < at >tariqmustafa




On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:43 AM, Haris Shamsi <haris.shamsi< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Regulations on the Payment Gateways in Pakistan

Haris Shamsi — 2013-04-25T05:43:44

Hi

I have recently got a chance to register to one of the e-com sites in
pakistan. Having the understanding that Citi bank has stopped offering
online merchant solutions and that state bank had some concerns on using
the payment gateways outside the broder, i was surprised to see that the
use of international exchanges/gateways has become pretty common in ecom.
other than the normal telenor paisa and UBL/SCB accounts i see few
merchants are utilizing gateways like http://www.adyen.com/ etc.

Can some please fill me in on the latest regulations/ norms in Pakistan for
online payments.

Thanks

is wi-tribe blocking dns?

sabdullah — 2013-04-02T04:51:48

I too noticed the same issue and tried switching to OpenDNS servers. It worked at first but the stopped. Only PTCL's internal DNS was working.

The question is, what is wrong with these guys? These are pathetic attempts which prove they don't even have the capability to run an ISP let alone the number or customers they are fooling.

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Ghulam Mustafa — 2013-04-02T04:55:06

Can anyone share ptcl dns server addressses.
On Apr 2, 2013 9:50 AM, "Wasim Baig" <wasimbaig< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Faried Nawaz — 2013-04-02T06:09:38


I don't see the same problem with the office Qubee or PTCL links.
It's just wi-tribe, for me.  There are several wi-tribe modems in the
office, and they all exhibit the same behaviour.  Whatever change they
made went into effect over a week ago.

I can query non-ISP (not Google or OpenDNS) nameservers on all the
other links, just not wi-tribe.

Faried.

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Wasim Baig — 2013-04-02T04:50:19

I'm using PTCL and querying google DNS just fine ...


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Imtiaz A Baibers
<baibers.imtiaz< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Imtiaz A Baibers — 2013-04-01T10:07:43

Same is on All ISP, 

--
IMTIAZ AHMED
+92-334-5167609



On 01-Apr-2013, at 14:50, Faried Nawaz <notthe< at >b.org.pk> wrote:

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Ayaz Ahmed Khan — 2013-04-01T16:36:18

On 01-Apr-2013, at 1:45 PM, Faried Nawaz wrote:



Hi Faried,

I cannot explain why you were not able to do DNS lookups on your office Wi-Tribe link. I've been using Wi-Tribe for over two years now. Although, I use Google's DNS on all my machines, I have no trouble performing DNS lookups with all available query types. 

Cheers,
Ayaz

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Faried Nawaz — 2013-04-01T09:50:54


It's not just Google's servers, it's all DNS servers outside wi-
tribe's network that I tried.  PTCL and Qubee (the other two links at
the office) don't have this problem.

Can someone from wi-tribe pipe up and tell us if they're logging DNS
requests, and if so, how long they keep the logs around?


Faried.

Re: is wi-tribe blocking dns?

Tee Emm — 2013-04-01T08:56:57

Google DNS have been blocked by some ISP in an attempt to comply by the
Youtube ban directives. It is not the best way of doing content filtering
but resource strapped ISPs have limited incentive available to them to
implement the regulator orders especially in areas where there are
non-revenue expenditures involved. This is not the only tool they are
resorting to. Other efforts such as implementing caches and direct URL
filtering etc also take place.

Summary: It's a mess down here. And the problem is not of technology but of
governance.

BR


Tariq Mustafa - 03458237788 < at >tariqmustafa




On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Faried Nawaz <notthe< at >b.org.pk> wrote: