http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion hourly 1 1901-01-01T00:00+00:00 http://gmane.org/img/gmane-25t.png http://gmane.org http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4430 <pre>Hello Massimo, Sorry for the awful late reply. I was too busy to follow this list and just saw your message below. On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 11:09:55AM +0200, Massimo Barbieri wrote: Is this mandatory nation-wide? Is there maybe a law or regulation that conflicts with this practice? We are having a similar case in the Netherlands: http://fsfe.org/campaigns/nledu/ Since when are they doing this? Has anybody complained before? I will do what I can, but the main work will have to be done by people who speak Italian. Great. The more allies we can get, the better. Have you done anything in this regard? How did it go? Did you mention it during the meeting? Sorry again for the late reply. Greetings, Guido </pre> Guido Arnold 2013-06-19T21:20:05 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4429 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 My draft of the opening paragraph is done: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan In the next few hours Lucile will prepare the letter for publication, so please make any final suggestions / changes before 15.30 CEST today! Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke-gLC+hB8UoVevJkmNg0xvRQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlHBo/sACgkQ1bR1Itj7YQXgRQD+PUnKCB2s3luWBJOv3umsdgxy n0vR44zvKoYMD0SaN/IA/12ZtiOI+ViE+b8bwpBjT22KqVLwsGAvLB0yhVLUGXvr =70UL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </pre> Sam Tuke 2013-06-19T12:28:43 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4428 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Edits from Filip and Daniel have been incorporated! I'll now work on the opening paragraph to accompany the online version. Best, Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke-gLC+hB8UoVevJkmNg0xvRQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlHBmI4ACgkQ1bR1Itj7YQU2UwD8Dsr/J51ZUS5isy5iu4NEBpna GDBSbkvaj5NyhEUHhmAA/1rucCD9aksZUVCPAjphw8l/3Bw0K21MbXpAIeMFmpVL =ViQw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- </pre> Sam Tuke 2013-06-19T11:39:58 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4427 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 17/06/13 23:07, Daniel Pocock wrote: Good point - the letter now reads: Finally, for better security of both schools and students, Free Software makes its code available, providing evidence of how it functions. This week's revelations surrounding British Government spying on Turkish politicians at the G20 summit highlight the importance of software security and privacy - educational computers should not provide back-doors for foreign Governments and companies. Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke-gLC+hB8UoVevJkmNg0xvRQ&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlHBlycACgkQ1bR1Itj7YQV/ggD+P89QgVOZkKEGv5NE/AZ8j3dV SD52GfjuiunKOGlGvdwBANJJPdkovwvRERrUh8s7ZmcFxa928m3oCD4Ym6ESJnp6 =uTCU -----END PGP </pre> Sam Tuke 2013-06-19T11:33:59 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4426 <pre>I strongly recommend reading "How Can Any Company Ever Trust Microsoft Again?" by Glyn Moody. http://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/06/how-can-any-company-ever-trust-microsoft-again/index.htm Best Regards, Matthias </pre> Matthias Kirschner 2013-06-19T05:55:25 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4425 <pre>* Sam Tuke &lt;samtuke-VaTbYqLCNhc&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; [2013-06-17 22:37:35 +0200]: Looks good. Yes, we have to do that. Best Regards, Matthias </pre> Matthias Kirschner 2013-06-18T12:23:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4424 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 He may have fresh motivation to look at this if it is framed in terms of independence and privacy of communications - The Guardian is just reporting that Britain hacked Turkey's delegation to the G20 and they are very unhappy. Regards, Daniel On 17/06/13 22:37, Sam Tuke wrote: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRv3qoAAoJEOm1uwJp1aqDWKQP/0TFbpg20E1CNnmpNyhqTSGM Ax2I4dIG0AV7xbcV8LhOrOr7TamhmAD3wkQ9cQwN66hx1v1vp8eMWctUsJoN9cEF V0u3vcwThj83na+yviknTveTnqxt/cGEhZcYkO89XNzB/lWVANT3/8dMqphbVkmB ZkYC9BNUKLs0TFSQQ9MUo8tf0wtXIbH+UFydoy1Rg8eHKywoE+Z6HGHeKpSLJG18 Sib6gvu6wJhvpPHRvglSkcv2xgc3zcyWAqnnaXUg/2ZsglZZFLuamRwnoVE0Zc32 3t7Fsp82Wsm+tP9qKUscTghUrLthUdX7+uQS4kemOKhaf4pzHNGZE75MCxOuvR30 UJm8p+SPMlhkFfXErEeI72GMJvZdv/lU3zP5z0nerRsnGWCNuf6f7I035Ur6yPmd nPLO8S59WckmqoDxu7rALUMTmJuGGhu6xOIDdyMPZ3f3INvwnEbLrkDSMFuYJ6Tw rcpUJpFhkNmsEZ2gmLMRf6xUDFDjAHW+PKDMADU9X</pre> Daniel Pocock 2013-06-17T21:07:52 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4423 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi all, I've finished my English draft of Vincen's original letter to Erdogan. Please take a look and comment: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan I changed the tone to be less flattering and more direct. Bear in mind that this letter is being written more for its impact on Turks and the wider political and software community than it is for Mr Erdogan himself (he'll only be interested in reading it if lots of other already found it interesting). We have to be careful to be sensitive to the other shocking events still taking place in Turkey, and I recommend we preface the letter with a brief statement about how we are aware of those events and recognise this is not an ideal time to talk about software, but that the decision will soon be made about the tablets and freedom must not be left behind in the debris of Taksim Square. Again many thanks to Vincen for his first draft! Best, Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe I</pre> Sam Tuke 2013-06-17T20:37:35 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4422 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Sinan, On 28/05/13 12:16, Sinan Doğanlı wrote: Yes, help with the Turkish translation once the English draft is ready would be extremely helpful. Also we'd welcome your views on the English version as you know Turkish culture better than any of us non-Turks. We also want to be careful not to appear insensitive to the momentous political situation currently gripping Turkey. Best, Sam. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke&lt; at &gt;jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlG/cZsACgkQ1bR1Itj7YQUzFwD/SVdQWVnis0g5+BzO/z0TNxYH H68pM6Mq8ZKdXpltDVoA/RbMKJaFPM4IYSQu1gtOzFn06l7MAABprNVSaj69T9YA =wwL2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Discussion mailing list Discussion&lt; at &gt;fsfeuro</pre> Sam Tuke 2013-06-17T20:29:15 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4421 <pre> OK, so this feature list may be about older cards or it may not be written clearly: http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards/OpenPGP#Features When I saw that, it gave me the impression the card supports either (3 x 1024 keys) or (1 x bigger key) Ok, this leaves me feeling that a much more detailed support matrix (or maybe even a database) may be needed to help people choose their optimal combination of reader + card + key size + software For example, I would prefer to use 2048 bit keys for the moment if that gives me wider support for card readers and software versions while other users may prefer to only use 4096 bit keys and just focus on a shortlist of hardware that supports such keys and quickly see a list of any software limitations that will apply to them. I've definitely got the newer card, I was just concerned about the ambiguity of how many big keys I can put on the card. </pre> Daniel Pocock 2013-06-17T13:14:13 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4420 <pre>Dear Daniel, On 17/06/13 09:52, Daniel Pocock wrote: I am not sure whether the card supports assigning multiple uses to a single key; however, I have been able to create 3 4096-bit keys on the card. I have used the signing and encryption keys and those definitely work. Unfortunately, I had problems with one card reader that worked fine with 2048-bit keys (Akasa AK-CR-03BK External Electronic ID and Smart Card Reader). Fortunately, Omnikey 1021 works fine for me. Neither of those has a separate pin pad, though. Regarding 1024-bit keys support only… This applied to OpenPGP version 1 smartcards. As far as I know, these are no longer distributed to Fellows, so no need to worry about that. Cheers, </pre> Heiki "Repentinus" Ojasild 2013-06-17T11:12:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4419 <pre> Some time ago there was some discussion about the fellowship smartcard and 4096 bit keys. I understand that most of the recent cards that say they support 3072 actually support 4096. Debian 7 now includes gnupg v2.0.19, so it supports 4096 as well The SPR532 pinpad card reader was recommended by Martin, I notice it is superseded by the SPR332. However, the SPR332 is not on the supported list here: http://wiki.debian.org/Smartcards and I also found comments suggesting that pinpad support used to be problematic, but that was 2005: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2005-June/026082.html and this email says it works, but doesn't specifically reference the pinpad: http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2013-February/046054.html and it's not clear whether that means it works just for GnuPG or potentially for other applications too (e.g. Iceweasel/Firefox, Java) I also had another look at the fellowship page: http://fellowship.fsfe.org/card.html and it mentions that the card supports thre</pre> Daniel Pocock 2013-06-17T09:52:47 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4418 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 28/05/13 12:16, Sinan Doğanlı wrote: I think that would be great! A Turkish und an English version, so both can read it. If you are willing to translate, that would be really much appreciated! Best, Erik - -- Erik Albers | https://fsfe.org/about/albers/ Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE) - Campaigns &amp; Community Support us now: https://fsfe.org/support/?eal Free as in Freedom! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRp0HGAAoJEBho/C6GOdyBfFsQAMedgcIBA/Tqzq0anrDJCTWs JwgpbHxPoJNko7G25n98K+R1sHPrzk2CyMH/fOyHBqlNfnf5XzPpKbjuilGB585J 8QPH5LiXgJB2+N3EeMkZ7zzbQk5yGhWZBS9f4gKrdxmt3A4PYtnu4HN6eqVI1Pty i33XGt/nikCIEDtf09Jriu5LQGPUmfZoY9Y3Dswp9ih7fpQoggTQbGOqUYwPLdM6 7r4R/ShU5FPD9mx4W1hnWVwlJhvADkM1MbGSmAyM9HD+FboZsHVTMRp1dUi5GFF3 Xh2VLYHbvEkA+FHrK6LFEtOom3F6lRxs3nApoJOPdixw8KLhiMk1x4S1hYeVynY9 cRZTh+DkHM1hfHnjsfPX87kH4mqLsteldVQnIozrT3OV7klUyY+dfcftMC</pre> Erik Albers 2013-05-30T12:10:46 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4417 <pre>Hello, how can I help, do you need a turkish version or something else? On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Sam Tuke &lt;samtuke-VaTbYqLCNhc&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Sinan Doğanlı 2013-05-28T10:16:01 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4416 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 I've had a look at the FSF info about the campaign for a Skype replacement http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/priority-projects/priority-projects/highpriorityprojects#Replaceskype While it specifies that existing solutions have shortcomings, it doesn't specify what the final solution should look like. In other words, a developer aiming to build such a solution won't know when they cross the finish line. Has anybody done any policy work, possibly similar to the Debian Free Software Guidelines, to define the essential attributes of a solution? Looking at it from another angle, Debian also provides a set of tests to determine if a license is really free: http://people.debian.org/~bap/dfsg-faq.html#testing and it may be useful to define a similar set of tests for evaluating a communications application. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRpkO7AAoJEOm1uw</pre> Daniel Pocock 2013-05-29T18:06:51 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4415 <pre> Excellent, I started editing the English version, but had to take some calls and ran out of time today. I've put the editors team in CC in case someone there can help out. Ideally this should get sent this week, but that may not be possible depending on who's available (I'm on holiday until next week, and some other FSFE staff are taking days off after working the weekend at LinuxTag conference). I have also put Sinan Doganli in CC, who has campaigned on Free Software issues in Turkey in the past and may be able to help. Best, Sam. </pre> Sam Tuke 2013-05-27T17:38:30 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4414 <pre>Hi Sam, I think my English is not good enough to write that kind of letter. I've written a draft in Spanish an tried to translate it into English. Here are both versions: https://public.pad.fsfe.org/p/MrErdogan Best regards Vicen El sáb, 25-05-2013 a las 12:39 +0200, Sam Tuke escribió: </pre> Vicen Rodriguez 2013-05-27T05:58:20 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4413 <pre>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 23/05/13 23:52, Vicen Rodriguez wrote: Yes. Yes. It could be a simple open letter, sent in physical and postal form to the Turkish government, and published on fsfe.org. Are you happy to start drafting it? Please use pad.fsfe.org so that others can participate. You can reuse arguments from the FSFE education team pages. I recommend keeping the text simple. Thanks for working on this opportunity :) Sam. PS Editors added in CC. - -- Sam Tuke Campaign Manager Free Software Foundation Europe IM : samtuke&lt; at &gt;jabber.fsfe.org Latest UK Free Software news: uk.fsfe.org Is freedom important to you? Join the fellowship.fsfe.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlGglPEACgkQ1bR1Itj7YQXfagD+Kcf9nyHon0ususlmN36iXw68 gdWaYo0JTuGo7HmGScwA+wX3LlDAxmelGFwkobQFK/rT56pva+gvVNirynQeZxzM =jae0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ___________________________________________</pre> Sam Tuke 2013-05-25T10:39:45 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4412 <pre>Hi, Yesterday I read this press release: http://www.electronista.com/articles/13/05/20/country.seeks.bids.on.106.million.tablets.for.students/ &lt;&lt;The Prime Minister of Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, has been touring Silicon Valley companies this week, on the heels of a similar tour by Turkish President Abdullah Gül last month. Both men received VIP tours of facilities at Microsoft and Google, and met privately with officials from Apple. All three companies are hoping to land a contract to supply the country with at least 10.6 million tablets for the country's students&gt;&gt;. Do you think it could be a good idea to send a message to Mr. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and to Mr. Abdullah Gül regarding the advantages of the use of devices with free software in an educational environment? If yes, how do you think it could be done? Could it be done from the FSFE? Best regards Vicen </pre> Vicen Rodriguez 2013-05-23T21:52:38 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4411 <pre>Hi! The Italian Ministry of Education University and Research (MIUR) offers every year a series of obligatory written tests in order to evaluate the levels of student learning. Those tests are carried out by the National Institute for the Evaluation of Educational System (INVALSI)[1] from which it derives its name: "INVALSI tests". The INVALSI is subject to supervision by the MIUR and of course they should work in a neutral way towards the market of the software, but unfortunately it is not. The INVALSI provides schools with an XLS file which contains macros to record the evaluation of the students. Of course this file doesn't work with Free Software and doing so the INVALSI force schools to use proprietary software. Unfortunately the XLS file was provided to me by a school, but they asked to me to not spread it (for the moment). I posted a screencapture of the macro in action on proprietary software. http://lugscandiano.org/index.php/File:Invalsi_non-free.png I would like that the FSFE get active wit</pre> Massimo Barbieri 2013-05-15T09:09:55 http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion/4410 <pre>Although I really would like that, I think Kontalk is not ready for this yet. It would mean a possible explosion of new registrations - as much as my server can take, which is quite a lot, but that's not the problem, I prefer to wait for the XMPP switch. Is there a NL for targeted to developers? Kontalk really needs people to work on it :-) On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:10 PM, Massimo Barbieri &lt;massimo-VaTbYqLCNhc&lt; at &gt;public.gmane.org&gt; wrote: </pre> Daniele Ricci 2013-05-05T13:39:13 Search the mailing list at Gmane query http://search.gmane.org/?group=$group=gmane.org.fsf.europe.discussion