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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Michael Grube — 2013-05-21T00:32:33

I'm not sure GNUnet is meant for the hardware level. In my mind, GNUnet
might ideally run on top of Netsukuku.


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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-21T00:08:59

And hey, If CJDNS has some good features, It's not the end of the world, We learn from it, And we improve netsukuku. If there are so many other great meshnets, That's good, Competition is good, We just learn from their failures and successes.

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 2:41:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] cjdns in comparison.

I've played around with it, managed to download the GPL through it's p2p
client, After a few weeks of it running i started noticing weird
connections on my LAN so I disabled it (It many not have been related),
I think it will be good.

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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-21T00:07:45

Yeah, Exactly, Plus, Pretty much all of the other meshnets have scalability problems too. 

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:37:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] cjdns in comparison.

Go go gadget google! 

http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/doc/main_doc/topology.pdf

So unless CJDNS's topology is _exactly_ the same as Netsukuku, I'd say pick whichever one you want. I know that you'd probably be much more appreciated here :)

There is no superior case and the truth is really that pretty much nobody really has the answers. One project is not superior to the others and nobody is going to become Linus mfing Torvalds from the work they do here. Understand both systems and work toward whichever you are more curious about.

Religious wars are started and maintained by trolls. Act accordingly.

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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-21T00:06:08

No, He is totally wrong. I've read the entire Netsukuku FAQ, And the documentation .txts. And I've looked at everything else there is too, Darknets, Everything for over a year. Nothing else is actually anything like netsukuku. These people are just pessimistic, And it's annoying. They have their little project which is popular, And they think if anything else becomes popular they will lose popularity. They think everyone has to only use one thing, So they say netsukuku is pointless, It's frustrating really.

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Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:40:05 AM
Subject: [Netsukuku] cjdns in comparison.

This guy is starting to convince me that to all intents and purposes ntk
and cjdns are the same thing, and ntk has not major advantages over cjdns

http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/1emjof/new_netsukuku_subreddit/ca1suwk

Is he r

Re: cjdns in comparison.

Yussi — 2013-05-20T21:41:03

I've played around with it, managed to download the GPL through it's p2p
client, After a few weeks of it running i started noticing weird
connections on my LAN so I disabled it (It many not have been related),
I think it will be good.


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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Jaromil — 2013-05-20T21:34:08


ahahah!! standing OV!

btw anyone here has looked into GNUnet?

because THAT seems VERY convincing to me, at least on paper.

but then again, it is a different design.

ciao
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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Yussi — 2013-05-20T20:33:13

Actually, yes, ntk is way sweeter than that, his solution for a cjd
wireless mesh is basically to use ad-hoc or batman, that it... ugly!

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Re: cjdns in comparison.

Michael Grube — 2013-05-20T17:37:41

Go go gadget google!

http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/doc/main_doc/topology.pdf

So unless CJDNS's topology is _exactly_ the same as Netsukuku, I'd say pick
whichever one you want. I know that you'd probably be much more appreciated
here :)

There is no superior case and the truth is really that pretty much nobody
really has the answers. One project is not superior to the others and
nobody is going to become Linus mfing Torvalds from the work they do here.
Understand both systems and work toward whichever you are more curious
about.

Religious wars are started and maintained by trolls. Act accordingly.


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cjdns in comparison.

Yussi — 2013-05-20T16:40:05

This guy is starting to convince me that to all intents and purposes ntk
and cjdns are the same thing, and ntk has not major advantages over cjdns

http://www.reddit.com/r/darknetplan/comments/1emjof/new_netsukuku_subreddit/ca1suwk

Is he right? can anyone find a silver bullet that will give a reason not
to just drop ntk and go with cjdns?
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Re: netsukuku subreddit

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-20T08:59:13

I joined

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Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 2:10:28 AM
Subject: [Netsukuku] netsukuku subreddit

I just made reddit.com/r/netsukuku
Not sure why, but why not. Feel free to join, I'll make you a mod if I
can figure out how to.
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Re: Netsukuku forum and chatroom

Jaromil — 2013-05-19T12:18:17


there can be a #netsukuku channel also on irc.dyne.org if you like.

we will open access as a tor hidden service in the future, meanwhile it
is accessible also via tor and IP addressess of everyone are scrambled.

SSL is on port 9999 and web gui is on https://irc.dyne.org

cheers to the reddit. I'm taking notes of all this to make a good
update/remake of the website soon, so that all activities and channels
get documented.

ciao
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Re: netsukuku subreddit

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-19T09:34:41

Definitely! I think this is a great idea! Though, I am a bit confused on the purpose of a web interface, Wouldn't a GUI with a remote connect option have the same effect? I mean, I could do it, It just seems vaguely redundant. 

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Subject: [Netsukuku] netsukuku subreddit

I just made reddit.com/r/netsukuku
Not sure why, but why not. Feel free to join, I'll make you a mod if I
can figure out how to.
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Re: Netsukuku forum and chatroom

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-19T09:33:28

Hmm, Interesting, I will check that out.

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Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] Netsukuku forum and chatroom

We need to be able to query the state of the ntkd, number of connected
peers, packet routed per sec, topology, logs etc.

under test_suites, there are classes that do similar things. I guess it
might be better to start off with a command line util.

It's normal practice for routers to have a web interface, so you go to
localhost:someport and you get a control panel to the router. It has to
be optional, so that when we're building for small devices (arm) we can
disable it.

It's up to you how and in what language you write it (The web part, for
the command line part better stick with vala), it's usually done in php
or python.

After messing around a little, i wanted to see what files my ntkd

netsukuku subreddit

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I just made reddit.com/r/netsukuku
Not sure why, but why not. Feel free to join, I'll make you a mod if I
can figure out how to.
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Re: Netsukuku forum and chatroom

Yussi — 2013-05-19T08:26:38

We need to be able to query the state of the ntkd, number of connected
peers, packet routed per sec, topology, logs etc.

under test_suites, there are classes that do similar things. I guess it
might be better to start off with a command line util.

It's normal practice for routers to have a web interface, so you go to
localhost:someport and you get a control panel to the router. It has to
be optional, so that when we're building for small devices (arm) we can
disable it.

It's up to you how and in what language you write it (The web part, for
the command line part better stick with vala), it's usually done in php
or python.

After messing around a little, i wanted to see what files my ntkd is
holding.

$sudo lsof | grep -i ntkd | less

I noticed it's holding port 50080 (might be different for you??)

$nc localhost 50080

gave something that looks like the state of the router (am i right?)
A bit more digging, and the file  /var/tmp/node_status.xml seems to hold
the same, or similar information. I think, to s

Re: Netsukuku forum and chatroom

Yussi — 2013-05-18T13:55:47

There seems to be a running #netsukuku channel on free node. I think if
we just start using it, and saving the chatlogs somewhere that will be a
good start.

Anyone knows who the bots there are?

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Netsukuku forum and chatroom

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-18T13:49:30

I think a netsukuku chatroom and forum would be really good. there used to be a.netsukuku irc, But, ait seems.to be gone. freenode is not good for tor users, It forces then to register in a complicated process and use a different sever. Not only did I fail, But, Sig.ing up and all defeats the purpose of.tor. We need another way. We could try making netsukuku sites at some.point.

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Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] Connecting from afar

You know, I am not sure how you know this.
Here's how i would go about looking for clues.

Start 1 vm, start ntkd on it, and in another window still on that vm
start $tcpdump -i eth0 -vvv

watch it for a few minutes to try and establish some traffic pattern
when not connected,

than start the oth

Re: NewNetsukukuOrg

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-18T13:41:23

alright, Yeah, I'll try doing that with my friend. I think both ways can be done simultaneously, And I might be able to set up a perm, At least, Semi-perm node. It should be fun making that interface!

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Subject: Re: [Netsukuku] NewNetsukukuOrg

OK, let's start with this:
How do we put the valadoc online?
Who can set up some permanent ntk nodes?
How do we check that two nodes are connected?
How do we set up "hidden services"?
How do we 'ping' using the ntk namespace?
How do we use the ntk namespace within a browser (Ie,
http://gf.gh.gb.g1...)?

I am very busy too, so busy i shouldn't be wasting time doing this, I've
got an exam in 3 days, another in 5 and more to come.

I am going to this event in the UK, in June, there will be a lot of
ha

Re: NewNetsukukuOrg

Yussi — 2013-05-18T13:28:04

OK, let's start with this:
How do we put the valadoc online?
Who can set up some permanent ntk nodes?
How do we check that two nodes are connected?
How do we set up "hidden services"?
How do we 'ping' using the ntk namespace?
How do we use the ntk namespace within a browser (Ie,
http://gf.gh.gb.g1...)?


I am very busy too, so busy i shouldn't be wasting time doing this, I've
got an exam in 3 days, another in 5 and more to come.

I am going to this event in the UK, in June, there will be a lot of
hackers there who I am sure I can pitch this to, if I have something to
pitch.

I do really want to help, I have however been gifted with the attributes
of being extremely unreliable and messy, so it can't be me who puts
order into the chaos.

Valeska, what I think can really help, is a web based control panel for
ntk, I think you can do it, and learn tons of new things. I don't think
PR or money will harm us, but i don't think that's what's holding us
back either. basically, we want to attract the sort of people wh

Re: NewNetsukukuOrg

Valeska Grim — 2013-05-18T12:56:13

yes! I think more than anything, We need a donation page, We need to get some money so we can pay for ads. We should start up youtube channels, We should make gif ads people can make their signatures on forums. We should over haul the website, We should just do our best to make netsukuku as presentable as possible. We know making it completely fully featured and ported and bug fixed will take a LONG time. So, In the mean time, We need to make it look as nice as possible. Then, We can bring more popularity, Maybe, More donations, And even a couple devs willing to help out. That will help a lot I think! I'm willing to help!

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OK, then i was wrong, even better,
It's not what you said, it's how the last exchange was made. It read
some subsurface te

Re: NewNetsukukuOrg

Luca Dionisi — 2013-05-18T12:46:43

As I said, now I am very busy and I cannot help you much. It's not that I
don't want to help, or that I don't care. I really hope that you can help.
Anyway, I think that if you really want to accomplish this (and so it
seems) you can find your way, and learn more than you could learn if I
tried to explain everything.
In my intention I will be back soon.

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