gmane.music.john-cage

The CD-Project "Cage's Grandchildren" - We need your help!

2013-05-15T12:27:13

Dear friends and colleagues,

At the end of June, an ensemble comprised of Frank Gratkowski, Hans W. Koch,
Anton Lukoszevieze, Lucia Mense and myself will record a double CD at
Deutschlandfunk in Cologne, featuring works by James Tenney, Michael Pisaro and
young, emerging composers from Los Angeles, California. The album is scheduled
to appear early next year on edition wandelweiser records â this, in
collaboration with World Edition. The project is entitled, "Cage's
Grandchildren" and many of the works received their European premiere earlier
this season in Luxembourg.

However, we need your support! For that purpose, we have set up a project page
at "kickstarter". May I kindly ask that you take a few minutes of your time,
peruse our page, watch the lovely video that Anton created and consider making
a donation in support of our endeavor? Any amount that you can give helps us to
bring this wonderful project into being. 

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1843883998/cages-grandchildren

In recent year

HPSCHD

Bruce, Neely — 2013-05-13T00:47:23

Many of you will already know of the recent performance of HPSCHD in New York City. For all you Cage and Hiller fans out there, here's a link to the NY Times review:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/06/arts/music/hpschd-at-eyebeam.html?_r=0

Note the shadowy picture of me and my page turner Chris Mark. There is a lot of other stuff on the Internet about this performance, have a look.

I am writing to inquire if anyone on the SILENCE list knows of another harpsichordist who has played Solo VI. I recorded the piece in 1969, and have played Solo VI (as well as Soli I, II and VII) several times, although not in recent years. Until these performances, that is.

My understanding is that yes, others have played Solo VI, but I do not know who they are. Any information would be greatly appreciated. I would like to network with folks who have played this piece and discuss the formidable challenges it presents.

For the curious — Solo VI takes reiterations of the Mozart Dice Game and inserts a chronological series of

Remembrance of Fredric Lieberman (1940-2013)

David Badagnani — 2013-05-12T01:49:51

Ethnomusicologist and friend of John Cage Fredric Lieberman (co-author of the Lou Harrison biography) has just passed away. Here is a remembrance from ethnomusicologist Robert Garfias, posted to the H-ASIA listserv by Frank Conlon <conlon AT U.WASHINGTON DOT EDU> 
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H-ASIA
May 7, 2013 A further obituary for Fredric Lieberman
*****************************************************************
Ed. note: My friend and former colleague Robert Garfias has
kindly sent along his obituary note for Fred Lieberman which
will appear in the Ethnomusicology Newsletter.            FFC
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From: Robert Garfias <rgarfias AT uci DOT edu> Frederic Lieberman 1940-2013 When Frederic Lieberman embarked on his career in ethnomusicology,
the discipline was still in its very early stages. The discipline was
just forming and Fred played an important role in its development.
The first generation of ethnomusicologists, all European, were
trained in such fie

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

mIEKAL aND — 2013-04-27T12:05:38

So Jim Rosenberg's original mesostic code has never been ported to the web?
 What was it written in?


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Stefano Pocci <stefanodoug76< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Re: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

Stefano Pocci — 2013-04-27T06:23:10



Hi Zac, thanks for your message that seemed to be quite appropriate in 
this moment.

After the removal of the mesostic generator, I decided in fact to build 
one myself too. Instead of Python, which I don't know, I chose Java 
(which I know a little) and just yesterday I managed to complete the 
most difficult part - I thought - that is the construction of a mesostic 
according to the 100% rule. I still haven't limited the number of wing 
words and if you say that's quite a feat also... well, then I'm not half 
way through yet :-) I originally thought to trim the mesostic once 
obtained a very wide one (with a lot of wing words), but your on-the-fly 
random process approach seems more challenging, from a programming point 
of view at least.

So far in my trials, I found that long horizontal lines might appear 
only at the very beginning, in the very first line where you need to pay 
attention to the first mesoLetter only. But it depends on the text and 
the mesostic words of course. And the language too:

Re: Re: Re: Mesostic generator

Zachary Bond — 2013-04-27T04:33:40

I was sad that the online "mesostic" generator was taken down and replaced
with a juvenile message instead of being fixed, so I whipped up a generator
in the Python programming language.  It obeys the 100% rule, but I was
surprised at how many other decisions I had to make about how to limit the
number of wing words, how to actually go about selecting the words with the
mesostic letter, etc.  Basically, I choose the word by searching from a
random point in the text.  Then, I select up to 12 wing words, with the 12
distributed randomly on either side of the center word (for example, a line
might have a max of 3 on the left, max of 9 on the right).  Only rarely do
you ever get 12 since usually a rule violation typically occurs first.   I
also made it circular, so that the first letter obeys the rule with respect
to the last letter--that's to avoid having conspicuously long starting and
ending lines.

I did not try to prevent the same word being used more than once--I seem to
recall repeats in some of Cage's me

Re: Re: Re: web info

Andre Chaudron — 2013-04-22T19:55:53

Dear all,
Time to send a few words on my johncage.info website.
As you have all noticed it disappeared from the web. As with Josh, I have
been far too busy with other things as well. I hadn't been updating the
site in over a year and I thought it was time to stop with it and not
renewing my contract with the webhosting company. Tough decision, after so
many years.
Since I permitted the Cage Trust taking all my material, incorporating it
into their own Cage database, I think it will be in good hands (even though
their result so far is rather limited).
Thanks to all for supporting me and for the nice words I received over the
years.
Best wishes from Amsterdam,
André Chaudron


2013/4/21 Rod Stasick <rod< at >stasick.org>

Re: Re: web info

Rod Stasick — 2013-04-21T15:20:16

Well, my email to André has been returned,
so I think that any of you using Facebook
may have to have a go at contacting him.

Also, thanks Josh for the Duffie/Cage interview.
I spoke with Bruce Duffie earlier this year about
something completely different (about a specific 
program and radio program host on WNIB) and 
he was very cordial. Nice to see this interview.

⻚

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http://stasick.org



On apr 21, 2556 BE, at 09:31, Goldstein, Louis wrote:

Re: Re: web info

Rod Stasick — 2013-04-21T15:02:33

I wrote André a short note and hope for a reply.
He has a Facebook page, so any of you
who also have one can drop him a line there
I suppose (I don't have one):

https://www.facebook.com/andre.chaudron

It was a nice resource. Archive.org shows
that it was taken down probably near the 
beginning of 2013.

㇀

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http://stasick.org


On apr 21, 2556 BE, at 09:31, Goldstein, Louis wrote:

Re: web info

Goldstein, Louis — 2013-04-21T14:31:27

And thanks again, Josh, for all the work you've kept together on your
website.  It's one of my bookmarked resources for Cage.  The question about
Andre has been asked a few times now, so apparently no one here knows what
happened.  What I miss most about his website is his chronological list of
works, with pop-up windows containing additional information for most of
them.

Louie


On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Josh Ronsen <joshronsen< at >yahoo.com> wrote:

web info

Josh Ronsen — 2013-04-21T06:47:31

Hello. I haven't made any updates to John Cage Online (http://ronsen.org/cagelinks.html) in a while. Some people have submitted information and I've just been busy with other things. This evening I did find a new (to me) interview conducted by Bruce Duffie in 1987. The link to it is now on my page.

If you know of any other web sources that you think I should list, please let me know. What videos from YouTube should I post? Right now I mostly have links to what I consider are important historical videos that feature Cage. Mostly, not all.

I wrote this in the past, but I have links to many of Cage's paintings; please look at these before their hosting pages disappear. Some I originally linked to have already disappeared.

Also, and maybe I missed any news posted here, I do try to read every digest as they arrive, but what happened to André Chaudron's site (http://johncage.info)? I use my page as a starting point for when i am thinking about Cage, and usually I go to Chaudron's site next.

Thanks for any inf

Re: the missing link!

Vitor Rua — 2013-04-19T10:15:28

cage talks about the first time he has the idea of preparing the piano for bachanale:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zmgLF8I3As

at 15:00


best
V

the missing link!

Vitor Rua — 2013-04-19T10:10:47

p.s: i forgot the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zmgLF8I3As


best
V

Re: cage

Vitor Rua — 2013-04-19T10:10:09

Dear Chris,

on this film he talks about preparing the piano at 15:00 !!!
But I think he talks more after this...
Yours,
Vítor


On Apr 16, 2013, at 2:57 PM, cc <ccutler< at >clara.co.uk> wrote:

Re: Re: Mesostic generator

Goldstein, Louis — 2013-04-17T13:48:33

Right - they were "puny mesostics," barely there.  Wing words are another
thing that that computer program didn't do.  I think after you find the
next word that straddles the mesostic letter you can continue as far as the
text will let you and still observe the rule.  And that is a matter of
choice, right?  John suggested putting a limit on how many characters a
line could be, 43, but I think he always mentioned that as a suggested
number.

Louie, checking his memory


On Wed, Apr 17, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Stefano Pocci <stefanodoug76< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Mesostic generator

Stefano Pocci — 2013-04-17T12:55:57



The page is down now as someone said earlier. I have a question about 
"Writing throughs..." however.

When extracting mesostics out of a pre-existing text, would you only 
take words containing the meso-letters - provided that either the 50% or 
the 100% rule are respected - or would you also keep the words in 
between those containing the meso-letters which still respect the before 
mentioned rules?

Just asking, as the product of that online application basically had one 
word per line. /Thin/ mesostics, so to speak.

RE: Re: Re: Re: Imaginary Landscape No.1

Dionysis Boukouvalas — 2013-04-17T06:33:07

I'm not sure how this worked. Could you expand?

Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2013 22:50:36 -0400
From: marc.thorman< at >gmail.com
To: rob.haskins< at >gmail.com
CC: dpmiller< at >world.std.com; jeremy< at >jeremymillar.org; silence< at >list.mail.virginia.edu
Subject: [silence] Re: Re: Re: Imaginary Landscape No.1

the recording session for the mode version was interesting, the performers stopped takes when they made a mistake . It was of necessity an honor system. For the final take they were instructed to go all the way through even if they flubbed during their part.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Rob Haskins <rob.haskins< at >gmail.com> wrote:

I'm quite fond of the one recently released on Mode. :)

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:38 AM, David P Miller <dpmiller< at >world.std.com> wrote:

Hello, Jeremy-

I'm only familiar with one recording, so I can't make a comparison. But the performance on the "25th Anniversary Concert" recording from 1958 (now on CD) represents the piece well, I think.

Best wishes,

David M.

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Je

Re: Re: Re: Imaginary Landscape No.1

Marc Thorman — 2013-04-17T02:50:36

the recording session for the mode version was interesting, the performers
stopped takes when they made a mistake . It was of necessity an honor
system. For the final take they were instructed to go all the way through
even if they flubbed during their part.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Rob Haskins <rob.haskins< at >gmail.com> wrote:

Re: Re: Re: cage

Marc Thorman — 2013-04-17T02:45:56

he also talks at some length about it in the recordings that accompany the
book of his norton chair lectures , I-VI


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:03 AM, Stefano Pocci <stefanodoug76< at >gmail.com>wrote:

Re: Re: cage

Stefano Pocci — 2013-04-16T15:03:05



Rob is correct. I've recently used that documentary for a little talk 
about John and you can find it at Ubuweb:

http://www.ubu.com/film/cage_masters.html

The preparation snippet begins around 7.30 min.

Re: Re: cage

Rob Haskins — 2013-04-16T14:07:46

there's one in the Allan Miller documentary, "I have Nothing to Say and I
am Saying It," immediately preceding Margaret Leng Tan's performance of, I
think, *In the Name of the Holocaust*.


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:57 AM, cc <ccutler< at >clara.co.uk> wrote: